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Christian Woman Sneaks Pork Into Jewish SIL’s And His Kids’ Food To Prove A Point, They Decide To Completely Cut Contact
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Christian Woman Sneaks Pork Into Jewish SIL’s And His Kids’ Food To Prove A Point, They Decide To Completely Cut Contact

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As Rebecca J. Rosen beautifully put it, marriage isn’t a union of just two people but rather two families—each with its own beliefs and ways of looking at the world. The resulting relationships can be some of the closest and richest, but, for many, they can also be some of the most difficult. Like this 41-year-old man.

Recently, he and his wife along with his children from his first marriage went to her parents for dinner. The night seemed like any other, but for some (religious) reason, the old folks decided that it was the time they would throw away all the trust they had been building with their in-laws and attack one of their core identity traits.

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Diabolical in-laws have a special place in our culture. In Hamlet, for example, Gertrude’s brother-in-law kills her husband, then lies to her to gain her hand in marriage. In the Meet The Parents film series, Robert DeNiro’s character uses his ex-CIA skills to uncover dirt on his daughter’s fiancé (and that’s the least of it).

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The trope is particularly potent on television: in the Sopranos, Livia Soprano estranges her daughter-in-law Carmela from her own parents; the Simpsons sees Marge’s sisters Patty and Selma at constant odds with Homer Simpson; and Debra Barone and her mother-in-law Marie in Everybody Loves Raymondveer cyclically between niggling combat and genuine affection.

Still, most people don’t start off expecting to hate their in-laws; 2012 research from Purdue University, US, showed the vast majority of couples go into their marriages anticipating positive ties.

In another study from 2022, both men and women reported having more conflict with their mothers-in-law than their mothers.

Terri Apter, a psychologist and senior tutor at Newnham College, Cambridge University, who conducted more than two decades of research, found that … 75% percent of couples reported having problems with an in-law, but only 15% of mother-in-law/son-in-law relationships were described as tense.

One contributing factor that could explain the prevalence of female in-law tension is child-rearing, and its disproportionate impact on women, which could potentially compound any pre-existing conflict.

But while the mother-in-law to daughter-in-law link is surely the most complex, all in-law relationships come under tension as couples move through life together. The most frequent intra-familial flashpoints are religious celebrations and holidays. “If both sets of in-laws are adamant that you’re all going to theirs for Christmas, you’re going to have a problem,” said Martin Daly, a professor of psychology, neuroscience, and behavior at McMaster University, Canada. “Occasions like Christmas are a major point of conflict, because it’s where people are expected to be together.”

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Thrown together for an extended period of time, without sufficient room for autonomy, families come up against the phenomenon of ‘hypercopresence,’ which can happen with any interaction involving forced closeness – holiday gatherings included.

Sadly, the negative effects can be long-lasting. Hypercopresence often results in conflicts with relatives, angry words that cannot be taken back, and cold, rude nonverbal behaviors which leave lasting impressions.

Plus, holidays are when families carry out much-anticipated traditions and rituals, which research shows makes them feel closer and increases people’s enjoyment of these occasions, so when in-laws diverge from their beloved rituals and traditions (or vice versa), tensions can flare.

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    XenoMurph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like this is bordering on assault. Imagine someone feeding you meat you object to without your knowledge. Dog or cat, or even human. No physical harm, but mental and emotional harm, that's what this feels like to me. Disrespectful at best, almost religious persecution.

    Lakota Wolf
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. It's absolutely emotional abuse, at the very least. And wtf is this premise in the MIL's mind anyway? Did she think that Jewish people believe they will be smote down by God if they eat pork and thus feeding them pork was proving that their beliefs are "stupid"? It has nothing to do with the physical ACT of eating pork... Jewish people aren't all magically explosively allergic to pork or something. It's the honoring of tradition, beliefs, and rules. I'm not even religious by ANY means and I find MIL's behavior horrifying.

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    Libstak
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "See nothing bad happened?". By that reckoning , get drunk, do drugs and survive the experience = See nothing bad happened. Rob, lie, rape, murder and don't get caught "See nothing bad happened". It is a fundamental violation of the moral and spiritual integrity of another being to tempt or trick them from their path because well heck "nothing bad will happen to you for doing so". It goes against and violates a person's right to make and be respected for their choices. I could not be more disgusted by what this MIL did. I am a Gnostic with a proud Christian background, I respect the sacred where it does no harm in whatever religion or belief it presents in. This woman disrespected not only her guests but her own God by using trickery to make them break their own preferred vows before that same God.

    Froynlaven
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would never go back to that house, nor would I ever speak to them again. I would have a very frank talk with my wife. In my eyes, this is unforgivable..

    Monday
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would agree. I am not in any way religious but this is absolutely disgusting.

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    Alex Mosby
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's a hate crime. I've never understood religion but I have even gone ahead and used freshly cleaned equipment when Muslims would order a pizza where I worked.

    Yeah, okay.
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ordered a vegetarian pizza at a local shop, and I was touched when they asked if I wanted them to change out the cutting board and use different knives. I said no (I just like veggie pizza) but I was honored that they were perfectly willing to do so for people for whom it did make a difference.

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    Ansi
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He also wrote later: "I have made the decision as a parent to not penalize my son for anything he said in response to being violated and assaulted by my PIL. I am very proud of him and for the way he stood up for the dignity of both himself and his sister. He is a true mensch." (Googled it: Person w great integrity and honour)

    JoMeBee
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate that the PIL did this because they think they own the moral high ground as "good" christians.

    Leo Domitrix
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pardon me for this reaction but: Burn that witch at the stake! OK, now that's out of my system, how about we do something to violate her bellief system? Like, I dunno, make her read a book?

    Tamra
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or stream any Harry Potter movie, talk about LGBTQ rights, wave a pro choice sign, allow the daughter to wear makeup...the list is endless.

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    Apatheist Account2
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Religion has caused so much hassle, we'd be so much better off without it (IMHO). That said, one has to respect the limits of the belief systems of others, even if one doesn't agree with them - it's the same as giving meat to a vegan or alcohol to a teetotaller (or designated driver). One never knows if there are medical as well as cultural reasons for abstention. Don't foist your own views on others.

    Yvil
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PIL are the protagonists straight out of a horror movie. They are the ones who should apologize for the disgusting thing they have done, just to prove their point. Luring your daughter to ‘the other side’, feeding you things you’re not allowed to eat… sounds like pure evil to me. On the bright side, you never have to go over there again. I wouldn’t, because they obviously can’t be trusted. I also feel sorry for the wife though, finding out your parents are such vicious people … super sad.

    The Frenchiest Fry
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, Christians are the worst, especially Evangelicals. I swear, every time I hear about someone being discriminated against because of their religion, it is at the hands of Christians.

    Dre Mosley
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Apologize? Absolutely not. If anything, MIL should be apologizing. Your wife siding with the parents is messed up. Do none of them get how disrespectful MIL's actions were?

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Both the wife and the parents would have to write me an essay on Peter's writings on treating people of other cultures (see my other comment, needless to say they're is LOTS in the NT on how to not be an AH when you are trying to win people over to Christianity) AND a written apology. "Go to your brother in tears when you have wronged him" is quite honestly the only way I would ever think of going back to that house.

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    pebs
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is intolerable. I, personally, don't believe in any religion, but I would never tolerate such a thing. The wife should be on her husband's side.

    guyx23
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Jewish by heritage, and an atheist. I think religion is a useless anachronism. And even I think PIL are disrespectful asshøles. May Yahweh smight them with his wonders.

    NinaRosario
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If we want to get into technicalities here, Jesus did not come to "free us from the Jewish law". He was a Jew.

    C Randolph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He came to fulfill the law (since so one else could). Matthew 5:17 After Jesus died his followers were not expected to live by the law of Moses any longer. And StepGrandmother was dead wrong! She violated their autonomy and consciences.

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    Littlemiss
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recently did a lunch for work, checked with coworkers if there were dietary issues, one person out of 10 said no pork for religious reasons. So I made alternatives, that catered for everyone. It never fails to amaze me how nasty and petty religious zealots are. I'm agnostic and can't imagine being as hateful and hurtful as the ones I've encountered.

    Izzy Curer
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand at the end where he says he doesn't know if the marriage will last. She stayed, but it sounds like she fought with her parents the whole time over what happened. Especially after 4 good years of marriage. Where he says 'she says he's not welcome back until he apologizes', I took that to mean that she's relaying information told to her by the ils. He's the one telling her that she's taking sides. He never says that the wife said she was taking a side. I feel like the wife kind of got stuck in the middle of this. It sounds like she only stayed to try to smooth things over, and talk to her parents about what they did wrong. I do kind of wonder if there's some miscommunication happening.

    Mabelbabel
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We told you nothing bad would happen" What did the stupid woman think would happen if a Jewish person ate pork? That their head explodes? I agree with the posters saying messing with other peoples food choices without them knowing is assault-whether their choice is religious, medical, allergies or just plain taste preferences, a decent host honours those the best they can. You don't deliberately sabotage a dish to prove a point-the only point it proves is that you're disrespectful, untrustworthy, abusive and insulting. Is that the sort of person they think their god wants them to be?

    Libstak
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that something bad has happened. A family has been torn apart, trust has been irrevocably damaged, children have been badly hurt and a marriage of love may not survive this.

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    Tiffi
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just imagine the MiL and FiL planning this the night before. Wow. Did they actually think they would get a hearty thank you? Doubtful. It seemed designed to sew discord with their Jewish SiL and his kids. My hubby is Muslim and he doesn't eat pork under any circumstances. I don't have a problem with eating it myself personally, and I do occasionally eat it if we're eating out, but out of respect for him I would never even think of cooking it in our home. I do keep a small package of precooked bacon bits in the fridge for my salads and such. He has no problem with that. But cooking it in our home? No way. Sneaking it into his food? Unthinkable.

    Kat Min
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unbelievable. The lack of disrespect is mindboggeling. No, the son should not apologize. He's a kid, he's allowed to freak out if someone does something this sinister to him. It's a pity for the daughter, but, yeah, no more meals at that house. And I'd also talk to their pastor and ask him if this is what he preaches to his congregation. Personally, I think religion is a mass psychosis and a scurge to humanity. But you do not smuggled substances into people's food or drink!

    Valaun
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an atheist I find this hugely offensive and a breach of trust. As far as the food goes, this is akin to spitting (or worse) in someone's food. From a human respect POV, this is disgusting. The in-laws have now opened themselves up to attack. This guy needs to pick apart their beliefs. He should turn their crosses upside down, mock Jesus to them, and pick apart their beliefs until either they get what they did wrong (<5% chance) or his wife and her family blow up at him. He needs to mock their prayers, their moments of comfort, and their church. Unrelentingly. Ultimately it will come down to them using the argument that because their beliefs are the only right one, he shouldn't do that. When he and his wife inevitably split, it will have left a bad taste for her parent religion in her mouth. Everyone's beliefs, so long as they give comfort to the individual that holds them and not harm others, needs to be respected. When a person fails that, they open themselves up to attack.

    Awkward Lady
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Valaun, if the guy goes down that path, he's sinking to their level of prejudice. As it is, the in-laws are the worst antisemites, and I would have nothing more to do with them.

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    Kennedy Kargeaux
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was raised Catholic. Went to a catholic school until 6th grade. Then transferred to public school. But I stopped believing in god after I my bad experience w/ a Sunday school teacher in 7th. anyway.... I've dated people of all religions... but I have NEVER met a person that is more in your face & disrespectful towards other religions than a person who follows the catholic or christian religion. Their entitlement & assumption that they're the only ppl whose beliefs matter... their complete disregard for others & their cultures is disgusting... the way that they do s**t like this but then if you're say... gay or had an abortion or divorce they act as if you personally slighted them... when it has nothing to do w/ then & they have no business having any opinions about who you are & what you do w/ your life/body... the hypocrisy is another reason why I left the church n never looked back. Obviously not everyone who follows this religion is like this. But INE it's most of them.

    alloutbikes@yahoo.com
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Judge not lest ye be judged. And let he who is without sin cast yet the first stone. This is what I say to haters. God can sort them out, we don't need to.

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    Negatoris Wrecks
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stepmother's family's conversion tactics are showing signs of taking hold in the daughter. You can't let that continue.

    Charlie
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I do eat pork. I'm not vegan/vegetarian/ religious in any way and love most kinds of meals with pork. I would never ever serve that meat to people in any way knowing, they didn't eat it. Disrespectful! Nuff said.

    Goth Mouse (he/they)
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh extreme religious entitled people like this are complete ar$£holes 🤢 they treat everyone else like sh!t, aren’t they supposed to respect and be kind to everyone and not judge people?

    S
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They would never apologize or make changes for their own religion... they should not ask that of others. Appalling behavior. The very god they believe in would likely look down on them for what they did.

    TS Rhodes
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why Christianity is falling in popularity. They pay no attention to their own holy book. It's just an excuse to do whatever they want.

    Maria Mandjik
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am not Jewish or Muslin and I won’t touch pork. These people are disgusting, hope your wife also goes non contact with parents.

    Burgermeister
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    HIs family was assaulted. He's lucky he has no biological children with this woman because I don't see a happily ever after for them. He should take advantage of his being young enough to leave her and find another mate.

    Deborah B
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is an increadibly violating thing to do to someone. It's more than just disrespect. It's a betrayal, and it's outright anti-semitism. It's tricking someone into violating their most deeply held beliefs. I hope this family get some counselling from their rabbi, especially the son, because this is clearly traumatic for him especially.

    Bertha Madott
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a devout Catholic who has friends across the whole religious spectrum. This story is beyond repulsive. "Jesus wept".

    Sapna Sarfare
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dont understand how someone can behave in such a manner. Irrespective of the religious beliefs, it is a matter of respecting someone's choice. Period. You expect respect? How about starting with giving respect?

    Bernd Herbert
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Though I agree with MIL that nothing "bad" will happen because of some bacon I would never ever do that myself. But It says "conservative Evangelicals" so I am not surprised at all.

    The Cool Grandma
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You got this handled OP. 👍 Much love to you and your kids. Maybe have a conversation with son about how it feels, and what he thinks needs to happen for him to get over this. Not gonna say therapy right off the bat unless it's something he asks for. A couple conversations should suffice, I hope, as he sounds like he understood what was going on.

    SilverSkyCloud
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    10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if the wife isnt on his side even after knowing what happened and knowing how important the dietary requirement is to him and his children then he should instantly file for divorce,

    Stargazer66
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only AHs are your wife, MIL and FIL. Your wife should have stood up in unison with you and your kids and left. Your In-laws should have never, ever, ever, knowingly secretly fed you pork. They violated your trust and disrespected you and your religious beliefs. If your wife doesn't realize what a huge AH she was for siding with her parents, this would make me seriously reconsider my marriage to her. And your son owes no one an apology. Your MIL absolutely was a b**** and a humongus c***.

    Squirrelly Panda
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Idiots like these forget that Jesus is Jewish, and Jesus said that those who want to keep the laws and follow the Torah should. Finally, the best way convert someone isn't to shove your faith down their throat, nor disparage other faiths. It is to live your best life in love and faithfulness, helping and caring for all regardless of their beliefs or lifestyle, not judgemental at all, pray for them, and finally, if they ask questions, answer in loving non-judgemental ways. Everyone, and I mean absolutely everyone, is a work in progress. God wants all of us to improve, but what God wants an individual to work on is between God and that individual. A believer needs to get the plank out of his own eye before trying to remove another's splinter. And it'll take a lifetime to remove all the planks.

    Hoodoo
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Here, let me slap you straight in the face & you're at fault for having a bloody nose..." There's something VERY wrong w/ these in-laws & I don't blame OP for terminating contact w/ them. He's wise. As for the boy calling the MIL a B & C... Truth is, she is. Perhaps have him write a few paragraphs as to how he could've handled the situation better & have him review this w/ a rabbi, but making him apologize to them isn't appropriate IMO. He was right to be angry.

    James Kistler
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Luke 17:1-4 NIV. 17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

    Yeah, okay.
    Community Member
    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For a pair who are supposedly familiar with the New Testament, how on earth did they miss the *multiple* verses Peter had on respecting others' traditions when you are with them? 1 Peter, Romans 12 , 1 Corinthians all talk repeatedly about honoring others over yourself, that live is kindness, Romans 14, that even in disagreements when you accept one another you are "bringing praise to God". Thus, these two, in their selfish lust for victorious talking points, showed what incredibly poor Christians they are. Ugh!

    Casey McAlister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not messing with somebody's food is like the first rule of not being a total douchebag. It's not even about possible harm to their health, as dietary restrictions are not always of medical nature, it's about respecting a person's boundaries and choices. Even if they simply don't like the taste of a certain product - don't try to sneak it into their dish.

    Anouk T
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whoa, talk about disrespect… terrible behaviour on the adults part the kids reacted in a completely understandable way… don’t know if cutting the grandparents off completely will be ok - if daughter still wants to see them she should be allowed but kids should probably decide themselves. As for the dad I’d completely justify him not wanting to see the in laws again although as they are his wife’s parents I think the situation deserves a conversation (without the kids) and clearly stating that their behaviour was unacceptable and they need to apologise. If they won’t then dad can do whatever he thinks is best. It’s hard to believe religious people can behave like this if they preach kindness and acceptance and all. And that guy was actually a pastor - wtf?!

    David
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YOU: NTA. Your PIL: Not Christians. Or at best lousy ones. What they did was dishonest and not biblical / Christlike.

    Bob La Capra
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I attended a dinner party once, the host put elk meat in the lasagna and didn't tell anyone until dessert. I was offended because I simply choose to not eat wild animals. But in the host's defense he didn't know. I cant imagine being duped as the OP was. The PIL knew what they were doing was literally wrong based on the SIL's faith which is as important to him as theirs is to them and they did it anyway. Unbelievable.

    ShareMusic
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a deeply religious Christian. My sect focuses on love, building bridges and relationships, compassion, and forgiveness. Not all religions nor religious adherents are the same. Judging all religions as the same is the same as judging any entire demographic as the same. I cringe when a few ruin it for everyone no matter the situation.

    ZeroCapacity
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell the parents spiritual guider. If he is any kind of a man of the cloth he will call them out on it. Might even get them removed from their church. They aren't Christians at all they are what is wrong with the Church. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Ray Heap
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If it were a mistake, then laugh and move on. But this is nasty

    Hadizah Coulibaly
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah that is utterly disgusting I can't believe anyone would do that. I don't eat pork either and I would be livid if anyone snuck pork into my food on purpose knowing that information.

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    Zohar
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are different approaches in Christianity towards Judaism. Some are very respectful towards Jews, and believe that the Jews have their own covenant with God. Others believe that Jews need to be converted to Christianity to be fulfilled - is difficult to have relationships with people who feel this way. The vast majority of religious Christians, would never be so rude to another person's religious beliefs.

    Shelli Aderman
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow! Just. I’m at a loss for words. I’m so sorry that this happened to them, and he is 100% right to stop his children from entering that toxic environment!

    Hannah McCoy
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OH NO this is not the right way to go!!!!! please forgive her, not all christians are like this!

    Rose
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Slightly different view here from an older person. Parent-in-law where well and truly out of line. They have no right to abuse someone for their food choices... religion or otherwise. But saying that from your post of what your son said he was also out of line, you never use language like that to others.. ever. You've just given him permission to verbally abuse others. Instead teach him to take the higher ground, apologize for the language he used, but explain why he was so upset about it... in this case I would suggest a letter. Get him to explain why he was angry about it, use scripture, law and everything he can to support his argument. This will teach him a valuable lesson on being an adult, it will put your parent-in-laws in their place of being ignorant idiots. Anger doesn't solve anything, clear concise argument does. I would too be incredibly angry if it happened to me and I'd feel like swearing my head off too, just life has taught me to be the adult and explain

    Ginger Winters
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No what that teaches him is if someone assaults him he should be the one to apologize

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    Kelsey Walker
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. Also, for supposedly being a pastor, the FIL sure doesn't know his Bible. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said he DIDN'T come to change the [Old Testament] law.

    C Randolph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't come for me but, ESH. I have no words to describe how wrong and vile the PIL's actions were. They displayed an unimaginable level of disrespect! However, under no circumstances should a child be allowed or encouraged to match that disrespect. Be mad, maybe even yell and call some names, but to call your stepmother's mother a b**** or c*** is over the top.

    Rita Shapiro
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just another example of toxic Christianity. This is totally in keeping with a theology that demands that its adherents constantly proselytize despite repeated rejections. They are indoctrinated to overstep boundaries because they are commanded to do so. This is the highest form of disrespect, and he is right to go NC. Not every Christian would actually do something so heinous, but trust me: a surprisingly large number of them would think about it and likely have no big problem with it. They'll claim otherwise, but self-deception is strong within certain groups.

    Melissa TO
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to know a guy that was Jewish but had converted to Catholicism. He was severely allergic to pork, it made him very sick, like severe food poisoning. This woman didn't believe him, thought it was just remnants of his Jewish childhood, and snuck pork in his dinner. He was up all night sick. Shocked the hell out of the food tamperer. Bet she never did that again.

    Belle Miles
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always grind up some maggots and put them in an apology cake. Nothing bad will happen then either. Yes this is ASSAULT, and could probably be prosecuted.

    Larry Whalen
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do not mean to "hog" the comments, but wanted to finish my thought, since what I wanted to say about your Wife is she too was blind-sided by this event just as you, your Son and Daughter we're. I believe there had to have been a few discussions about your differences when you first met your future Wife and at least a few things that being of the Jewish Religion entailed. I was married to a "non-practicing Jew", as she referred to herself for a couple of years, but would later go our separate ways as friends due to 'differences of opinions', can't know everything about someone until you've been with them for awhile; BTW, none of which were about religion, only some poor choices which were made. I hope you and your Wife can find a way to get past this situation and find a way to reach an understanding as to how much you respect and adhere to the teachings in the Torah, the same as your in-laws embrace in the Bible. I hope your family can find a solution to this situation.

    Dizzie D
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is so bad beyond words. To do that to someone is so abusive and malicious. Very sad that they chose to do such a disgusting thing to someone. Can't see how his relationship with his wife can be mended with them being always in the background. Maybe that's their plan though? To split them up.

    Larry Whalen
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First of all, No you are not the Azz here, but permitting your son to use obscenities towards his (step) grandparent should have been stopped as soon as it happened; one problem which exists now is the use of vulgar language in our Society is primarily because of the medias constant glorification of obscenity in practically every movie, podcast, and many of the books we read. So with that being said, too many here failed to note that your Wife stayed behind to help 'clean up' more than likely to address what had occured due to your in-laws disrespect for the requirements of Jewish Law. My advice would be speak to your Son re how to learn how to better speak to others without having to use obscenities but how to make his point with a better choice of words - and Yes there are times when they could be appropriate, but this was not one of those times. I hope you can resolve this situation with your daughter since she had developed a bond with her "grand parents" and your Wife - (cont.)

    Paul Richards
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All that religious nonsense aside, there ia a level of duplicitousness and disregard for the supposed friendship. This is a line you just don't cross

    Justme
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would consider legal action. Intentionally serving food that you know is against their religion AND misrepresenting the food is probably along the lines of poisoning (assault).

    PattyK
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP’s inlaws need a lesson in Christianity. The part that says treat other people the way they want to be treated.

    supertall
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was a hate crime. I feel so much sympathy for your kids, who seem so overwhelmed, and for you, as your trust has been broken. I wish you serenity in your choices.

    Timmy Pillinger
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder what the in-laws pastor would say. He (probably) would be of the same mind as them, but it's possible that he might have a serious word with them.

    Tina Hugh
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should file a police report as well. They committed a crime and it is one’s civic duty to report it

    Lara Verne
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA and no apologies for your in-laws. They're terrible people, who not only blatantly disrespect you and your beliefs, but also violate it. Your wife is AH for siding with them.

    Disgruntled Pelican
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The link is underneath the screenshots of the OP’s initial post. You’ll see it right under the shot of his edit clarifying that he meant to write “my MIL” not “his MIL” in the title.

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    Gwyn
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd ask the Rabbi to accompany me to their house to discuss what they did. Also, they had to know this wouldn't go over well. They weren't interested in conversation or anything well meaning, they just think they are right and wanted to prove it, and it didn't matter if it hurt anyone.

    Kimberly Buchanan Fisanick
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is so incredibly disrespectful. She should not have done that. If someone doesn't eat certain things, don't trick them into eating it. It doesn't matter why someone doesn't eat something, don't serve it to them. Her reasoning for doing it, is immature, petty, and childish. His son should not apologize. Unless he is sorry and feels like he did something wrong.

    Jennifer Muller
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Names were uncalled for. He should apologize for that but the trust is broken and possibly the marriage. Don't back down.

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't disrespect someone so egregiously and then try to act like you deserve respect because of your position in the family. No, you don't get to fall on your laurels as an elder when you act like that.

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    Mazio Maziomir
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    All religious people should be stuffed with whatever your religion is telling you not to eat.

    CJ Williams
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    If you truly are convicted of your religion then wouldn't honoring your marriage vows be of more relevance than blaming your spouse for the actions of her parents? Are you not technically one as per your vows before God? So you are also to blame. You throw away a marriage so easily. Doesn't sound like your relationship with God is as important as the religion.

    Mrs.Pugh
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry to break it to you, but trust in a marriage will come before God for some people.

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    XenoMurph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like this is bordering on assault. Imagine someone feeding you meat you object to without your knowledge. Dog or cat, or even human. No physical harm, but mental and emotional harm, that's what this feels like to me. Disrespectful at best, almost religious persecution.

    Lakota Wolf
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Agreed. It's absolutely emotional abuse, at the very least. And wtf is this premise in the MIL's mind anyway? Did she think that Jewish people believe they will be smote down by God if they eat pork and thus feeding them pork was proving that their beliefs are "stupid"? It has nothing to do with the physical ACT of eating pork... Jewish people aren't all magically explosively allergic to pork or something. It's the honoring of tradition, beliefs, and rules. I'm not even religious by ANY means and I find MIL's behavior horrifying.

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    Libstak
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "See nothing bad happened?". By that reckoning , get drunk, do drugs and survive the experience = See nothing bad happened. Rob, lie, rape, murder and don't get caught "See nothing bad happened". It is a fundamental violation of the moral and spiritual integrity of another being to tempt or trick them from their path because well heck "nothing bad will happen to you for doing so". It goes against and violates a person's right to make and be respected for their choices. I could not be more disgusted by what this MIL did. I am a Gnostic with a proud Christian background, I respect the sacred where it does no harm in whatever religion or belief it presents in. This woman disrespected not only her guests but her own God by using trickery to make them break their own preferred vows before that same God.

    Froynlaven
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would never go back to that house, nor would I ever speak to them again. I would have a very frank talk with my wife. In my eyes, this is unforgivable..

    Monday
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would agree. I am not in any way religious but this is absolutely disgusting.

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    Alex Mosby
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That's a hate crime. I've never understood religion but I have even gone ahead and used freshly cleaned equipment when Muslims would order a pizza where I worked.

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I ordered a vegetarian pizza at a local shop, and I was touched when they asked if I wanted them to change out the cutting board and use different knives. I said no (I just like veggie pizza) but I was honored that they were perfectly willing to do so for people for whom it did make a difference.

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    Ansi
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He also wrote later: "I have made the decision as a parent to not penalize my son for anything he said in response to being violated and assaulted by my PIL. I am very proud of him and for the way he stood up for the dignity of both himself and his sister. He is a true mensch." (Googled it: Person w great integrity and honour)

    JoMeBee
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I hate that the PIL did this because they think they own the moral high ground as "good" christians.

    Leo Domitrix
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Pardon me for this reaction but: Burn that witch at the stake! OK, now that's out of my system, how about we do something to violate her bellief system? Like, I dunno, make her read a book?

    Tamra
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Or stream any Harry Potter movie, talk about LGBTQ rights, wave a pro choice sign, allow the daughter to wear makeup...the list is endless.

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    Apatheist Account2
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Religion has caused so much hassle, we'd be so much better off without it (IMHO). That said, one has to respect the limits of the belief systems of others, even if one doesn't agree with them - it's the same as giving meat to a vegan or alcohol to a teetotaller (or designated driver). One never knows if there are medical as well as cultural reasons for abstention. Don't foist your own views on others.

    Yvil
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    PIL are the protagonists straight out of a horror movie. They are the ones who should apologize for the disgusting thing they have done, just to prove their point. Luring your daughter to ‘the other side’, feeding you things you’re not allowed to eat… sounds like pure evil to me. On the bright side, you never have to go over there again. I wouldn’t, because they obviously can’t be trusted. I also feel sorry for the wife though, finding out your parents are such vicious people … super sad.

    The Frenchiest Fry
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh, Christians are the worst, especially Evangelicals. I swear, every time I hear about someone being discriminated against because of their religion, it is at the hands of Christians.

    Dre Mosley
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Apologize? Absolutely not. If anything, MIL should be apologizing. Your wife siding with the parents is messed up. Do none of them get how disrespectful MIL's actions were?

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Both the wife and the parents would have to write me an essay on Peter's writings on treating people of other cultures (see my other comment, needless to say they're is LOTS in the NT on how to not be an AH when you are trying to win people over to Christianity) AND a written apology. "Go to your brother in tears when you have wronged him" is quite honestly the only way I would ever think of going back to that house.

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    pebs
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is intolerable. I, personally, don't believe in any religion, but I would never tolerate such a thing. The wife should be on her husband's side.

    guyx23
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm Jewish by heritage, and an atheist. I think religion is a useless anachronism. And even I think PIL are disrespectful asshøles. May Yahweh smight them with his wonders.

    NinaRosario
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If we want to get into technicalities here, Jesus did not come to "free us from the Jewish law". He was a Jew.

    C Randolph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He came to fulfill the law (since so one else could). Matthew 5:17 After Jesus died his followers were not expected to live by the law of Moses any longer. And StepGrandmother was dead wrong! She violated their autonomy and consciences.

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    Littlemiss
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I recently did a lunch for work, checked with coworkers if there were dietary issues, one person out of 10 said no pork for religious reasons. So I made alternatives, that catered for everyone. It never fails to amaze me how nasty and petty religious zealots are. I'm agnostic and can't imagine being as hateful and hurtful as the ones I've encountered.

    Izzy Curer
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't understand at the end where he says he doesn't know if the marriage will last. She stayed, but it sounds like she fought with her parents the whole time over what happened. Especially after 4 good years of marriage. Where he says 'she says he's not welcome back until he apologizes', I took that to mean that she's relaying information told to her by the ils. He's the one telling her that she's taking sides. He never says that the wife said she was taking a side. I feel like the wife kind of got stuck in the middle of this. It sounds like she only stayed to try to smooth things over, and talk to her parents about what they did wrong. I do kind of wonder if there's some miscommunication happening.

    Mabelbabel
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "We told you nothing bad would happen" What did the stupid woman think would happen if a Jewish person ate pork? That their head explodes? I agree with the posters saying messing with other peoples food choices without them knowing is assault-whether their choice is religious, medical, allergies or just plain taste preferences, a decent host honours those the best they can. You don't deliberately sabotage a dish to prove a point-the only point it proves is that you're disrespectful, untrustworthy, abusive and insulting. Is that the sort of person they think their god wants them to be?

    Libstak
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The irony is that something bad has happened. A family has been torn apart, trust has been irrevocably damaged, children have been badly hurt and a marriage of love may not survive this.

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    Tiffi
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just imagine the MiL and FiL planning this the night before. Wow. Did they actually think they would get a hearty thank you? Doubtful. It seemed designed to sew discord with their Jewish SiL and his kids. My hubby is Muslim and he doesn't eat pork under any circumstances. I don't have a problem with eating it myself personally, and I do occasionally eat it if we're eating out, but out of respect for him I would never even think of cooking it in our home. I do keep a small package of precooked bacon bits in the fridge for my salads and such. He has no problem with that. But cooking it in our home? No way. Sneaking it into his food? Unthinkable.

    Kat Min
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Unbelievable. The lack of disrespect is mindboggeling. No, the son should not apologize. He's a kid, he's allowed to freak out if someone does something this sinister to him. It's a pity for the daughter, but, yeah, no more meals at that house. And I'd also talk to their pastor and ask him if this is what he preaches to his congregation. Personally, I think religion is a mass psychosis and a scurge to humanity. But you do not smuggled substances into people's food or drink!

    Valaun
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As an atheist I find this hugely offensive and a breach of trust. As far as the food goes, this is akin to spitting (or worse) in someone's food. From a human respect POV, this is disgusting. The in-laws have now opened themselves up to attack. This guy needs to pick apart their beliefs. He should turn their crosses upside down, mock Jesus to them, and pick apart their beliefs until either they get what they did wrong (<5% chance) or his wife and her family blow up at him. He needs to mock their prayers, their moments of comfort, and their church. Unrelentingly. Ultimately it will come down to them using the argument that because their beliefs are the only right one, he shouldn't do that. When he and his wife inevitably split, it will have left a bad taste for her parent religion in her mouth. Everyone's beliefs, so long as they give comfort to the individual that holds them and not harm others, needs to be respected. When a person fails that, they open themselves up to attack.

    Awkward Lady
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Valaun, if the guy goes down that path, he's sinking to their level of prejudice. As it is, the in-laws are the worst antisemites, and I would have nothing more to do with them.

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    Kennedy Kargeaux
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I was raised Catholic. Went to a catholic school until 6th grade. Then transferred to public school. But I stopped believing in god after I my bad experience w/ a Sunday school teacher in 7th. anyway.... I've dated people of all religions... but I have NEVER met a person that is more in your face & disrespectful towards other religions than a person who follows the catholic or christian religion. Their entitlement & assumption that they're the only ppl whose beliefs matter... their complete disregard for others & their cultures is disgusting... the way that they do s**t like this but then if you're say... gay or had an abortion or divorce they act as if you personally slighted them... when it has nothing to do w/ then & they have no business having any opinions about who you are & what you do w/ your life/body... the hypocrisy is another reason why I left the church n never looked back. Obviously not everyone who follows this religion is like this. But INE it's most of them.

    alloutbikes@yahoo.com
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Judge not lest ye be judged. And let he who is without sin cast yet the first stone. This is what I say to haters. God can sort them out, we don't need to.

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    Negatoris Wrecks
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Stepmother's family's conversion tactics are showing signs of taking hold in the daughter. You can't let that continue.

    Charlie
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I do eat pork. I'm not vegan/vegetarian/ religious in any way and love most kinds of meals with pork. I would never ever serve that meat to people in any way knowing, they didn't eat it. Disrespectful! Nuff said.

    Goth Mouse (he/they)
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ugh extreme religious entitled people like this are complete ar$£holes 🤢 they treat everyone else like sh!t, aren’t they supposed to respect and be kind to everyone and not judge people?

    S
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They would never apologize or make changes for their own religion... they should not ask that of others. Appalling behavior. The very god they believe in would likely look down on them for what they did.

    TS Rhodes
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is why Christianity is falling in popularity. They pay no attention to their own holy book. It's just an excuse to do whatever they want.

    Maria Mandjik
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am not Jewish or Muslin and I won’t touch pork. These people are disgusting, hope your wife also goes non contact with parents.

    Burgermeister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    HIs family was assaulted. He's lucky he has no biological children with this woman because I don't see a happily ever after for them. He should take advantage of his being young enough to leave her and find another mate.

    Deborah B
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is an increadibly violating thing to do to someone. It's more than just disrespect. It's a betrayal, and it's outright anti-semitism. It's tricking someone into violating their most deeply held beliefs. I hope this family get some counselling from their rabbi, especially the son, because this is clearly traumatic for him especially.

    Bertha Madott
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a devout Catholic who has friends across the whole religious spectrum. This story is beyond repulsive. "Jesus wept".

    Sapna Sarfare
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I dont understand how someone can behave in such a manner. Irrespective of the religious beliefs, it is a matter of respecting someone's choice. Period. You expect respect? How about starting with giving respect?

    Bernd Herbert
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Though I agree with MIL that nothing "bad" will happen because of some bacon I would never ever do that myself. But It says "conservative Evangelicals" so I am not surprised at all.

    The Cool Grandma
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    4 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You got this handled OP. 👍 Much love to you and your kids. Maybe have a conversation with son about how it feels, and what he thinks needs to happen for him to get over this. Not gonna say therapy right off the bat unless it's something he asks for. A couple conversations should suffice, I hope, as he sounds like he understood what was going on.

    SilverSkyCloud
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    10 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    if the wife isnt on his side even after knowing what happened and knowing how important the dietary requirement is to him and his children then he should instantly file for divorce,

    Stargazer66
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only AHs are your wife, MIL and FIL. Your wife should have stood up in unison with you and your kids and left. Your In-laws should have never, ever, ever, knowingly secretly fed you pork. They violated your trust and disrespected you and your religious beliefs. If your wife doesn't realize what a huge AH she was for siding with her parents, this would make me seriously reconsider my marriage to her. And your son owes no one an apology. Your MIL absolutely was a b**** and a humongus c***.

    Squirrelly Panda
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Idiots like these forget that Jesus is Jewish, and Jesus said that those who want to keep the laws and follow the Torah should. Finally, the best way convert someone isn't to shove your faith down their throat, nor disparage other faiths. It is to live your best life in love and faithfulness, helping and caring for all regardless of their beliefs or lifestyle, not judgemental at all, pray for them, and finally, if they ask questions, answer in loving non-judgemental ways. Everyone, and I mean absolutely everyone, is a work in progress. God wants all of us to improve, but what God wants an individual to work on is between God and that individual. A believer needs to get the plank out of his own eye before trying to remove another's splinter. And it'll take a lifetime to remove all the planks.

    Hoodoo
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Here, let me slap you straight in the face & you're at fault for having a bloody nose..." There's something VERY wrong w/ these in-laws & I don't blame OP for terminating contact w/ them. He's wise. As for the boy calling the MIL a B & C... Truth is, she is. Perhaps have him write a few paragraphs as to how he could've handled the situation better & have him review this w/ a rabbi, but making him apologize to them isn't appropriate IMO. He was right to be angry.

    James Kistler
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Luke 17:1-4 NIV. 17 Jesus said to his disciples: “Things that cause people to stumble are bound to come, but woe to anyone through whom they come. 2 It would be better for them to be thrown into the sea with a millstone tied around their neck than to cause one of these little ones to stumble.

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    For a pair who are supposedly familiar with the New Testament, how on earth did they miss the *multiple* verses Peter had on respecting others' traditions when you are with them? 1 Peter, Romans 12 , 1 Corinthians all talk repeatedly about honoring others over yourself, that live is kindness, Romans 14, that even in disagreements when you accept one another you are "bringing praise to God". Thus, these two, in their selfish lust for victorious talking points, showed what incredibly poor Christians they are. Ugh!

    Casey McAlister
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not messing with somebody's food is like the first rule of not being a total douchebag. It's not even about possible harm to their health, as dietary restrictions are not always of medical nature, it's about respecting a person's boundaries and choices. Even if they simply don't like the taste of a certain product - don't try to sneak it into their dish.

    Anouk T
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whoa, talk about disrespect… terrible behaviour on the adults part the kids reacted in a completely understandable way… don’t know if cutting the grandparents off completely will be ok - if daughter still wants to see them she should be allowed but kids should probably decide themselves. As for the dad I’d completely justify him not wanting to see the in laws again although as they are his wife’s parents I think the situation deserves a conversation (without the kids) and clearly stating that their behaviour was unacceptable and they need to apologise. If they won’t then dad can do whatever he thinks is best. It’s hard to believe religious people can behave like this if they preach kindness and acceptance and all. And that guy was actually a pastor - wtf?!

    David
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YOU: NTA. Your PIL: Not Christians. Or at best lousy ones. What they did was dishonest and not biblical / Christlike.

    Bob La Capra
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I attended a dinner party once, the host put elk meat in the lasagna and didn't tell anyone until dessert. I was offended because I simply choose to not eat wild animals. But in the host's defense he didn't know. I cant imagine being duped as the OP was. The PIL knew what they were doing was literally wrong based on the SIL's faith which is as important to him as theirs is to them and they did it anyway. Unbelievable.

    ShareMusic
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I am a deeply religious Christian. My sect focuses on love, building bridges and relationships, compassion, and forgiveness. Not all religions nor religious adherents are the same. Judging all religions as the same is the same as judging any entire demographic as the same. I cringe when a few ruin it for everyone no matter the situation.

    ZeroCapacity
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Tell the parents spiritual guider. If he is any kind of a man of the cloth he will call them out on it. Might even get them removed from their church. They aren't Christians at all they are what is wrong with the Church. Hypocrisy knows no bounds.

    Ray Heap
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If it were a mistake, then laugh and move on. But this is nasty

    Hadizah Coulibaly
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah that is utterly disgusting I can't believe anyone would do that. I don't eat pork either and I would be livid if anyone snuck pork into my food on purpose knowing that information.

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    Zohar
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are different approaches in Christianity towards Judaism. Some are very respectful towards Jews, and believe that the Jews have their own covenant with God. Others believe that Jews need to be converted to Christianity to be fulfilled - is difficult to have relationships with people who feel this way. The vast majority of religious Christians, would never be so rude to another person's religious beliefs.

    Shelli Aderman
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow! Just. I’m at a loss for words. I’m so sorry that this happened to them, and he is 100% right to stop his children from entering that toxic environment!

    Hannah McCoy
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OH NO this is not the right way to go!!!!! please forgive her, not all christians are like this!

    Rose
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Slightly different view here from an older person. Parent-in-law where well and truly out of line. They have no right to abuse someone for their food choices... religion or otherwise. But saying that from your post of what your son said he was also out of line, you never use language like that to others.. ever. You've just given him permission to verbally abuse others. Instead teach him to take the higher ground, apologize for the language he used, but explain why he was so upset about it... in this case I would suggest a letter. Get him to explain why he was angry about it, use scripture, law and everything he can to support his argument. This will teach him a valuable lesson on being an adult, it will put your parent-in-laws in their place of being ignorant idiots. Anger doesn't solve anything, clear concise argument does. I would too be incredibly angry if it happened to me and I'd feel like swearing my head off too, just life has taught me to be the adult and explain

    Ginger Winters
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No what that teaches him is if someone assaults him he should be the one to apologize

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    Kelsey Walker
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Definitely NTA. Also, for supposedly being a pastor, the FIL sure doesn't know his Bible. In Matthew 5:17, Jesus specifically said he DIDN'T come to change the [Old Testament] law.

    C Randolph
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't come for me but, ESH. I have no words to describe how wrong and vile the PIL's actions were. They displayed an unimaginable level of disrespect! However, under no circumstances should a child be allowed or encouraged to match that disrespect. Be mad, maybe even yell and call some names, but to call your stepmother's mother a b**** or c*** is over the top.

    Rita Shapiro
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Just another example of toxic Christianity. This is totally in keeping with a theology that demands that its adherents constantly proselytize despite repeated rejections. They are indoctrinated to overstep boundaries because they are commanded to do so. This is the highest form of disrespect, and he is right to go NC. Not every Christian would actually do something so heinous, but trust me: a surprisingly large number of them would think about it and likely have no big problem with it. They'll claim otherwise, but self-deception is strong within certain groups.

    Melissa TO
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I used to know a guy that was Jewish but had converted to Catholicism. He was severely allergic to pork, it made him very sick, like severe food poisoning. This woman didn't believe him, thought it was just remnants of his Jewish childhood, and snuck pork in his dinner. He was up all night sick. Shocked the hell out of the food tamperer. Bet she never did that again.

    Belle Miles
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You can always grind up some maggots and put them in an apology cake. Nothing bad will happen then either. Yes this is ASSAULT, and could probably be prosecuted.

    Larry Whalen
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do not mean to "hog" the comments, but wanted to finish my thought, since what I wanted to say about your Wife is she too was blind-sided by this event just as you, your Son and Daughter we're. I believe there had to have been a few discussions about your differences when you first met your future Wife and at least a few things that being of the Jewish Religion entailed. I was married to a "non-practicing Jew", as she referred to herself for a couple of years, but would later go our separate ways as friends due to 'differences of opinions', can't know everything about someone until you've been with them for awhile; BTW, none of which were about religion, only some poor choices which were made. I hope you and your Wife can find a way to get past this situation and find a way to reach an understanding as to how much you respect and adhere to the teachings in the Torah, the same as your in-laws embrace in the Bible. I hope your family can find a solution to this situation.

    Dizzie D
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is so bad beyond words. To do that to someone is so abusive and malicious. Very sad that they chose to do such a disgusting thing to someone. Can't see how his relationship with his wife can be mended with them being always in the background. Maybe that's their plan though? To split them up.

    Larry Whalen
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    First of all, No you are not the Azz here, but permitting your son to use obscenities towards his (step) grandparent should have been stopped as soon as it happened; one problem which exists now is the use of vulgar language in our Society is primarily because of the medias constant glorification of obscenity in practically every movie, podcast, and many of the books we read. So with that being said, too many here failed to note that your Wife stayed behind to help 'clean up' more than likely to address what had occured due to your in-laws disrespect for the requirements of Jewish Law. My advice would be speak to your Son re how to learn how to better speak to others without having to use obscenities but how to make his point with a better choice of words - and Yes there are times when they could be appropriate, but this was not one of those times. I hope you can resolve this situation with your daughter since she had developed a bond with her "grand parents" and your Wife - (cont.)

    Paul Richards
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All that religious nonsense aside, there ia a level of duplicitousness and disregard for the supposed friendship. This is a line you just don't cross

    Justme
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would consider legal action. Intentionally serving food that you know is against their religion AND misrepresenting the food is probably along the lines of poisoning (assault).

    PattyK
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP’s inlaws need a lesson in Christianity. The part that says treat other people the way they want to be treated.

    supertall
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This was a hate crime. I feel so much sympathy for your kids, who seem so overwhelmed, and for you, as your trust has been broken. I wish you serenity in your choices.

    Timmy Pillinger
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder what the in-laws pastor would say. He (probably) would be of the same mind as them, but it's possible that he might have a serious word with them.

    Tina Hugh
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should file a police report as well. They committed a crime and it is one’s civic duty to report it

    Lara Verne
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA and no apologies for your in-laws. They're terrible people, who not only blatantly disrespect you and your beliefs, but also violate it. Your wife is AH for siding with them.

    Disgruntled Pelican
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The link is underneath the screenshots of the OP’s initial post. You’ll see it right under the shot of his edit clarifying that he meant to write “my MIL” not “his MIL” in the title.

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    Gwyn
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    1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'd ask the Rabbi to accompany me to their house to discuss what they did. Also, they had to know this wouldn't go over well. They weren't interested in conversation or anything well meaning, they just think they are right and wanted to prove it, and it didn't matter if it hurt anyone.

    Kimberly Buchanan Fisanick
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That is so incredibly disrespectful. She should not have done that. If someone doesn't eat certain things, don't trick them into eating it. It doesn't matter why someone doesn't eat something, don't serve it to them. Her reasoning for doing it, is immature, petty, and childish. His son should not apologize. Unless he is sorry and feels like he did something wrong.

    Jennifer Muller
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Names were uncalled for. He should apologize for that but the trust is broken and possibly the marriage. Don't back down.

    Yeah, okay.
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Don't disrespect someone so egregiously and then try to act like you deserve respect because of your position in the family. No, you don't get to fall on your laurels as an elder when you act like that.

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    Mazio Maziomir
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    All religious people should be stuffed with whatever your religion is telling you not to eat.

    CJ Williams
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    If you truly are convicted of your religion then wouldn't honoring your marriage vows be of more relevance than blaming your spouse for the actions of her parents? Are you not technically one as per your vows before God? So you are also to blame. You throw away a marriage so easily. Doesn't sound like your relationship with God is as important as the religion.

    Mrs.Pugh
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    1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry to break it to you, but trust in a marriage will come before God for some people.

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