30 Infuriating ‘Choosing Beggars’ Who Think They Deserve Special Treatment From Artists
“It’s just a quick sketch.” “You love what you do—you can do it for free.” “What do you mean, I have to pay for art?” If artists had a nickel for every time they heard somebody ask them to work for free, well... We wouldn’t be talking about ‘starving artists’ at all, would we?
Everyone should be paid for the work and services they provide, no matter if they’re a painter, sculptor, dancer, or musician. Unfortunately, the world is full of choosing beggars that want to take advantage of the artistically inclined. That’s how they end up on the 2-million-strong ‘Choosing Beggars’ subreddit. Scroll down and check out how some people try to get art for free. Don’t forget to upvote the pics that infuriated you the most and share if anyone tried to get you to work for free in the comment section, dear Pandas.
Bored Panda reached out to The Freelancer Club team and spoke to them about their #NoFreeWork campaign, about fighting exploitative unpaid work, why artists are often targets, and what can be done to avoid working for free. "Artists are sometimes looked down upon as hobbyists and yet it takes years of hard work, natural ability, and creativity to produce thought-providing, meaningful art. Artists enrich our lives, provoke thought and conversation," a representative of The Freelancer Club told us. "We must start to value artists for their contribution to society and the economy. Try going a week without art, music, and film and see how grey the world would be without the creative colors that artists provide us with on a daily basis." Scroll down for the full interview.
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We wanted to find out why artists are such common targets for people demanding free work. Here's what a representative of The Freelancer Club team had to say: "Artists throughout history have always been supported by the aristocracy. Patrons such as the Medici family would commission the masters to create works of art in the Renaissance era. Perhaps it stems from childhood. The idea of kids doodling with finger paints is seen as an infantile pursuit and this leaves an association in the adult mind."
They continued: "We have found amongst our members that freelancers who turn their passion into their profession often struggle with the business side of things. Knowing how much to charge, asking for money, writing a business plan, or setting business goals is not why they chose to get into freelancing. They also tend to work in sectors that leverage their cache to undervalue and exploit young talent such as the fashion, music and film industry. It's a vicious cycle based on fear. Say 'no' to an unpaid 'opportunity' and someone else might take it. When the talent is willing to work for free, businesses take advantage."
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Unfortunately, artists appear to be very undervalued. "Creative thinking is one of the most sought after characteristics amongst business leaders and yet undervalued when not positioned within an economic context. Artistic skills, when reframed in certain professions, seem to be valued a lot more. A UI Designer or Graphic Designer who uses digital creative tools is able to command a far higher wage than a fine artist."
The Freelancer Club has been running a campaign called #NoFreeWork for the past 6 years. It speaks out against the exploitation of unpaid work in the creative industry. "We visit universities and creative institutions speaking about the importance of this issue and how the next generation of creative minds must value themselves by saying 'no' to unpaid work," the representative said.
"We also contact companies who repeatedly post unpaid roles online and we have been in talks with the [UK] Government to change legislation to provide creative freelancers with more legal protection. It requires all sides of the industry to become educated on this matter and a collective effort to put an end to the exploitation."
You can sign The Freelancer Club's #NoFreeWork petition right here.
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In an earlier interview with Bored Panda, The Freelancer Club team told us more about the culture of working for exposure.
“Many see freelancers, particularly in the creative sector, as hobbyists and believe they can get away with 'paying' in exposure. They leverage their audience size, their brand name, or the allure of gaining recognition. This is why services in exchange for exposure is commonplace in glamorous sectors such as fashion, music, and film,” a representative of The Freelancer Club went into detail about the culture of work-for-exposure.
“From a freelancer point of view, they are often told that working for exposure is a rite of passage or an essential part of building a portfolio by their teachers, college professors, and peers. This has created a culture of exploitation that we must address at both ends.”
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According to them, working for exposure or for free damages not only freelance artists’ career prospects but also affects the industry as a whole—in a negative way.
“In the UK, unpaid work costs every freelancer £5,394 per year and the figure is very similar in the States. If you give up your work for exposure thinking you will get paid work from it in the future, the statistics show this is rarely the case, besides, shouldn't additional work be a consequence of a paid job anyway? If someone is willing to promote your work, they must value it so why not pay them! It's easy to get into a cycle of working for exposure and never get paid.”
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Good on the artist for sticking to their guns... and the last reply was more than well deserved! (I even hate the cartoon pic the scrounger uses and the 'tone' of Hello followed with too many frickin' exclamation marks makes me want to punch them in the mouth...)
The main reasons why people work for exposure are because they hope that they’ll get paid work in the future, that they’ll add to their portfolio, or that they’ll use the name of the company that promotes their work. Not only that, it feels good to know that your creative work gets to be seen by a lot of people.
“Many creative people are told to 'get a real job' when they express their desire to do something artistic. Seeing their work in print, online, or gaining recognition somehow validates their decision and, in a twisted way, proves the doubters wrong. The irony is that they have given up their value to do so,” The Freelancer Club’s rep said.
“Work out your day rate. Once you know your value, get comfortable talking about money, and stick to your guns. We've proven that working for exposure rarely results in paid work, collaborate with other creatives or set a self-project to build your portfolio and keep in mind that the culture of working for exposure is very damaging to you and to your industry. You are talented—value yourself and others will value you too.”
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There is a correlation between being a choosing beggar and the inability to use *your* and *you're* correctly.
Why should I add an apostrophe when my friend can do it much better without the apostrophe? Are you trying to scam me? Your apostrophe isn't even that good. Fatty.
Load More Replies...There's a huge amount of projection going on in these. It's always "Your work is great, I want one. Not for free? You are so greedy and your work is s**t." Projecting their own lack of ability onto others when their selfishness fails.
It's sad to see that this is something people do all over the world (and you all say Americans are bad? shush! haha). I am a crafter and I have had so many people ask me to make them things for free or a really low price all the time. One of my crafts is crocheting and I did this beautiful afghan that would fit a King Size bed and this woman wanted to pay me $50! The yarn alone cost more than that, never mind calculating my time and abilities. I was willing to charge $350 but all I got was an earful of nasty comments. Needless to say, she didn't get the afghan and I sold it for $400 to someone else who appreciated my hard work. These "influencers" and the like are what is wrong with the world today. Lazy and don't want to pay for anything. I feel sorry for the younger generations who have to deal with this type of person.
I feel your pain. Influencers all need to just die out or in a fire..glad you could get paid what your time was worth!
Load More Replies...I HATE CHOOSING BEGGARS. I have been threatened with being exposed as a thief and a scammer, been called a b***h, c**t and worse, told that people will expose me for what I am, all just because I won’t work for free. I make decals and 3D models and the number of times I’ve had to deal with entitled a******s is more than I want to think about. Oh and people wanting their money back after they get what they paid for and after seeing photos or screenshots and saying it’s fine but then changing their mind after..and they wonder why I don’t do it anymore. Some people are just trash
You just reminded me of another asshat that pissed me off. I make stationary sets from scratch. Because I use something that is being recycled in all of my crafting goods, this guy thought he could get over on me. He purchased one of my stationary sets that included customized note cards, matching envelopes made by hand, a pen, and the box it came in was recycled from cardboard boxes. After he bought it, he said that the box "dissolved" and that he realized it was made from "trash" so he wanted his money back. He also used over half of the note cards and envelopes. He wanted a full refund and another set. He threatened to sue me if I didn't comply. I said that I didn't think Judge Judy would appreciate his sense of humor and then I never heard from him again. I am sorry you had to endure the same things.
Load More Replies...To be frank, without BP I would not even know there was an "influencer fad"...
Load More Replies...Legend has it someone once approached Picasso at a restaurant and said "Will you draw something for me?" The great artist sketched something on a napkin and said "Here, that will be a hundred dollars." "What! But it only took you five minutes!" "Yes" said Picasso. "And it took me a lifetime to become good enough to do it in five minutes."
Stupid beggars. Just because your mother is dying, just because you’re a single parent, just because you are famous does not mean you deserve free art.
As an artist who tries to make some money making art, I feel all of this. People just assume that since many draw, paint, sculpt, or photograph as a hobby we'll all just make stuff for free or for like 10% of minimum wage. No one expects accountants, security, engineers, bankers, salespeople, etc. to work for free...Yet if you're an artist (or musician) people honestly ask you to do 'pro bono' work All. The. Time.
So many of these remind me story of Fox and the grapes. http://www.read.gov/aesop/005.html
Yep, that's the "You won't do it for free? Whatever, you're s**t at art anyway!" ones for sure.
Load More Replies...As an artist during these challenging times, I honestly try to give the most reasonable price I can - as art is really a luxury and not a necessity. Thankfully my clients all understand this. I can't even imagine being lambasted with insults over not wanting to do free art. People be crazy!
I feel a lot of these people should look up the word "scam". They're using it wrong.
How did this "gimmee gimmee " mindset start? How does one learn to be such a greedy, disrespectful, spoiled child?
People like these drive me up the wall. I hear it all the time with being a hairstylist. I charge $40 for house calls (haircuts) and have had people tell me that's too much. I've won a couple of awards for my haircuts and have a high clientele but it took me a long time to know my worth and believe in myself.
As an artist, this hits close to home. I don't even do commissions, but people have stolen my work before... like, smh, just have the courtesy to credit me instead of claiming you did it yourself...
I'm laughing because those "customers" seems to live in another world! They decide everything and talk about professionality without understanding the meaning: being professional and working in general has a price and you have to pay. So rude people, with followers but no brain.
It amazes me that people will pay five dollars for a cup of coffee but think they shouldn't have to pay an artist for their work. I think every artist has a story to tell. I prefer to give my work away to people who really love it than deal with cheapskates.
Be nice to artists Even if we can do it in 10 minutes it could have taken us 10 years to learn how to do that fast
I've had my experience with choosing beggars before. Some random person asked for a free request despite the fact that I openly don't take requests, and while they thankfully didn't escalate anything then, I later found out that they traced an art piece of mine. I blocked them after that, but they came back on a new account anyway.
I understand that art can be very expensive (for my budget) so I always ask ahead for the price. If I can't afford it I say something like "I'm sorry, I can't afford that right now. Would it be possible to message you in (enter time span, e.g. Next month)?" Be polite, respect people's work and effort. And keep a door open. You'll never know when you will meet someone again. It's better - if they remember you at all - to be the kind person who just couldn't afford their work, instead of the jerk
Not until I was done with the interior and exterior jobs...two separate times. Each (a man and then a woman) admired the finished product and then, when presented with the bill, after the exterior job the man said had the absolute gall to say, “What!! A bill?!! I could’ve done that work!!”. The woman, after the interior work said the same thing!! Both must have gone to the same School of Ultimate Nerve!!
Same goes when you are doing web sites. I don't know how many times I have told my price (which is way lower than standard), and people say "Fine, I'll do it myself then" or "Come ooon, I know a guy who does it cheaper than you". I remember one woman who had her own sewing company. She asked me to do a web site for her. Since I knew her, I asked for approx USD285. She said she could give me USD80. I told her no, my price is already low for her. She said that "Oh I will just learn how to do it myself then". Some months later I went to her to ask if she could help me adjust a zipper in a pair of pants. She said yes, and that would cost me USD115. To just put a seam on a zipper. Which would take her 30 minutes, she told. So if I'd charge USD115 per hour and it would take me 40 hours, it would actually cost her USD1052. And she thought USD285 was way too much.
I had some entitled be-otch on ebay tell me to lower the price on an item + send it to her for free. Not happening!
This stuff just pisses me off. Why do people think that artists should just give away their work? I love how most of these guys started talking s**t about their work once they were told they wouldn't get it for free. I'm sure the beggars don't work for free why should they expect everyone else to. SMH
The most ridiculous ones are when the beggar insults the artist's work (or even the artist personally) after the artist refuses to work for free or a ridiculously low price. If the artist's work is so bad, why is the beggar asking for it?
OMG!! I'm not a professional artist or even close. But at every job I've ever had (none media related) -- and I can recall specific instances 30 years back -- if I have been asked to draw a poster, sign or other media, I've always been on the clock. The idea that myself, a complete amateur would get paid and the real deal wouldn't never occurred to me.
i dont understand, the price above its cheap cheap price for art.. in logo / contest website, copying logo make by 3rd world country designer still can get like $100 without report..
Aaaaand THIS is a huge reason of why I went back to college at age 37 to become an Accountant. Seriously. Accountants never hear this kind of s**t. When I was artist, I'd get a request for free art every single freaking month.
After reading this I now see why artists are "starving"! They keep getting nickel and dimed by selfish, over entitled, pieces of s**t.
I love drawing... I also play in a band, and these days we have to make a poster for an upcoming gig... Let me tell you, sometimes it's a pain in the a**, even if I have to draw for my own needs, and not for some entitled brat...
There is a consistent pattern of name-calling and art-derision in all of these when they're turned down. I didn't know grapes were that sour.
BP, why do you keep posting this nonsense about Influenza's and other entitled stupids over and over again? Ignore them and like all the internet trolls they will vanish. Just stop rewarding their insane and stupid demands with attention.
Influenzas, like the common flu? They haven't been mentioned at all in this post, Wil. You mean INFLUENCERS, right? And I think it's good to raise awareness of idiots like this... they want everything but won't pay for anything.
Load More Replies...There is a correlation between being a choosing beggar and the inability to use *your* and *you're* correctly.
Why should I add an apostrophe when my friend can do it much better without the apostrophe? Are you trying to scam me? Your apostrophe isn't even that good. Fatty.
Load More Replies...There's a huge amount of projection going on in these. It's always "Your work is great, I want one. Not for free? You are so greedy and your work is s**t." Projecting their own lack of ability onto others when their selfishness fails.
It's sad to see that this is something people do all over the world (and you all say Americans are bad? shush! haha). I am a crafter and I have had so many people ask me to make them things for free or a really low price all the time. One of my crafts is crocheting and I did this beautiful afghan that would fit a King Size bed and this woman wanted to pay me $50! The yarn alone cost more than that, never mind calculating my time and abilities. I was willing to charge $350 but all I got was an earful of nasty comments. Needless to say, she didn't get the afghan and I sold it for $400 to someone else who appreciated my hard work. These "influencers" and the like are what is wrong with the world today. Lazy and don't want to pay for anything. I feel sorry for the younger generations who have to deal with this type of person.
I feel your pain. Influencers all need to just die out or in a fire..glad you could get paid what your time was worth!
Load More Replies...I HATE CHOOSING BEGGARS. I have been threatened with being exposed as a thief and a scammer, been called a b***h, c**t and worse, told that people will expose me for what I am, all just because I won’t work for free. I make decals and 3D models and the number of times I’ve had to deal with entitled a******s is more than I want to think about. Oh and people wanting their money back after they get what they paid for and after seeing photos or screenshots and saying it’s fine but then changing their mind after..and they wonder why I don’t do it anymore. Some people are just trash
You just reminded me of another asshat that pissed me off. I make stationary sets from scratch. Because I use something that is being recycled in all of my crafting goods, this guy thought he could get over on me. He purchased one of my stationary sets that included customized note cards, matching envelopes made by hand, a pen, and the box it came in was recycled from cardboard boxes. After he bought it, he said that the box "dissolved" and that he realized it was made from "trash" so he wanted his money back. He also used over half of the note cards and envelopes. He wanted a full refund and another set. He threatened to sue me if I didn't comply. I said that I didn't think Judge Judy would appreciate his sense of humor and then I never heard from him again. I am sorry you had to endure the same things.
Load More Replies...To be frank, without BP I would not even know there was an "influencer fad"...
Load More Replies...Legend has it someone once approached Picasso at a restaurant and said "Will you draw something for me?" The great artist sketched something on a napkin and said "Here, that will be a hundred dollars." "What! But it only took you five minutes!" "Yes" said Picasso. "And it took me a lifetime to become good enough to do it in five minutes."
Stupid beggars. Just because your mother is dying, just because you’re a single parent, just because you are famous does not mean you deserve free art.
As an artist who tries to make some money making art, I feel all of this. People just assume that since many draw, paint, sculpt, or photograph as a hobby we'll all just make stuff for free or for like 10% of minimum wage. No one expects accountants, security, engineers, bankers, salespeople, etc. to work for free...Yet if you're an artist (or musician) people honestly ask you to do 'pro bono' work All. The. Time.
So many of these remind me story of Fox and the grapes. http://www.read.gov/aesop/005.html
Yep, that's the "You won't do it for free? Whatever, you're s**t at art anyway!" ones for sure.
Load More Replies...As an artist during these challenging times, I honestly try to give the most reasonable price I can - as art is really a luxury and not a necessity. Thankfully my clients all understand this. I can't even imagine being lambasted with insults over not wanting to do free art. People be crazy!
I feel a lot of these people should look up the word "scam". They're using it wrong.
How did this "gimmee gimmee " mindset start? How does one learn to be such a greedy, disrespectful, spoiled child?
People like these drive me up the wall. I hear it all the time with being a hairstylist. I charge $40 for house calls (haircuts) and have had people tell me that's too much. I've won a couple of awards for my haircuts and have a high clientele but it took me a long time to know my worth and believe in myself.
As an artist, this hits close to home. I don't even do commissions, but people have stolen my work before... like, smh, just have the courtesy to credit me instead of claiming you did it yourself...
I'm laughing because those "customers" seems to live in another world! They decide everything and talk about professionality without understanding the meaning: being professional and working in general has a price and you have to pay. So rude people, with followers but no brain.
It amazes me that people will pay five dollars for a cup of coffee but think they shouldn't have to pay an artist for their work. I think every artist has a story to tell. I prefer to give my work away to people who really love it than deal with cheapskates.
Be nice to artists Even if we can do it in 10 minutes it could have taken us 10 years to learn how to do that fast
I've had my experience with choosing beggars before. Some random person asked for a free request despite the fact that I openly don't take requests, and while they thankfully didn't escalate anything then, I later found out that they traced an art piece of mine. I blocked them after that, but they came back on a new account anyway.
I understand that art can be very expensive (for my budget) so I always ask ahead for the price. If I can't afford it I say something like "I'm sorry, I can't afford that right now. Would it be possible to message you in (enter time span, e.g. Next month)?" Be polite, respect people's work and effort. And keep a door open. You'll never know when you will meet someone again. It's better - if they remember you at all - to be the kind person who just couldn't afford their work, instead of the jerk
Not until I was done with the interior and exterior jobs...two separate times. Each (a man and then a woman) admired the finished product and then, when presented with the bill, after the exterior job the man said had the absolute gall to say, “What!! A bill?!! I could’ve done that work!!”. The woman, after the interior work said the same thing!! Both must have gone to the same School of Ultimate Nerve!!
Same goes when you are doing web sites. I don't know how many times I have told my price (which is way lower than standard), and people say "Fine, I'll do it myself then" or "Come ooon, I know a guy who does it cheaper than you". I remember one woman who had her own sewing company. She asked me to do a web site for her. Since I knew her, I asked for approx USD285. She said she could give me USD80. I told her no, my price is already low for her. She said that "Oh I will just learn how to do it myself then". Some months later I went to her to ask if she could help me adjust a zipper in a pair of pants. She said yes, and that would cost me USD115. To just put a seam on a zipper. Which would take her 30 minutes, she told. So if I'd charge USD115 per hour and it would take me 40 hours, it would actually cost her USD1052. And she thought USD285 was way too much.
I had some entitled be-otch on ebay tell me to lower the price on an item + send it to her for free. Not happening!
This stuff just pisses me off. Why do people think that artists should just give away their work? I love how most of these guys started talking s**t about their work once they were told they wouldn't get it for free. I'm sure the beggars don't work for free why should they expect everyone else to. SMH
The most ridiculous ones are when the beggar insults the artist's work (or even the artist personally) after the artist refuses to work for free or a ridiculously low price. If the artist's work is so bad, why is the beggar asking for it?
OMG!! I'm not a professional artist or even close. But at every job I've ever had (none media related) -- and I can recall specific instances 30 years back -- if I have been asked to draw a poster, sign or other media, I've always been on the clock. The idea that myself, a complete amateur would get paid and the real deal wouldn't never occurred to me.
i dont understand, the price above its cheap cheap price for art.. in logo / contest website, copying logo make by 3rd world country designer still can get like $100 without report..
Aaaaand THIS is a huge reason of why I went back to college at age 37 to become an Accountant. Seriously. Accountants never hear this kind of s**t. When I was artist, I'd get a request for free art every single freaking month.
After reading this I now see why artists are "starving"! They keep getting nickel and dimed by selfish, over entitled, pieces of s**t.
I love drawing... I also play in a band, and these days we have to make a poster for an upcoming gig... Let me tell you, sometimes it's a pain in the a**, even if I have to draw for my own needs, and not for some entitled brat...
There is a consistent pattern of name-calling and art-derision in all of these when they're turned down. I didn't know grapes were that sour.
BP, why do you keep posting this nonsense about Influenza's and other entitled stupids over and over again? Ignore them and like all the internet trolls they will vanish. Just stop rewarding their insane and stupid demands with attention.
Influenzas, like the common flu? They haven't been mentioned at all in this post, Wil. You mean INFLUENCERS, right? And I think it's good to raise awareness of idiots like this... they want everything but won't pay for anything.
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