Woman Can’t Understand Why She Doesn’t Like BIL, He Gives Her A Perfect Reason At Family Dinner
Interview With ExpertMany families usually have traditions. Some go camping together, others have weekly movie nights, and some even take family vacations. This big family had the tradition of coming together for a family dinner at their father’s house, with rules about who gets served first.
But a new member of the family didn’t like this tradition. He believed the men should get their meals first, causing a huge family fight. The elder sister felt guilty for possibly contributing to this fight, so she went online to ask folks whether she did the right thing.
To know more about the importance of family traditions, Bored Panda sought the expertise of Dr. Darcy Lockman, Ph.D., clinical psychologist and author of All the Rage: Mothers, Fathers, and the Myth of Equal Partnership. You will find her expert insights below!
Family traditions are important; they bring people together and build stronger relationships
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New family members, however, can sometimes disrupt those traditions
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Family traditions and rituals are important, and new additions to a family should respect them
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Having a big family can be a blessing: you always have someone to count on and are always part of a big tribe. However, there are also disadvantages. Where there are many people, there are many opinions, about everything. Family traditions included.
Yet, having some family routines and traditions is important. “Human beings need to feel seen and loved,” Darcy Lockman, Ph.D. and author of “All the Rage: Mothers, Fathers, and the Myth of Equal Partnership”, told Bored Panda.
A tradition to gather around for a family dinner at the grandpa’s table can be an important one. “When you sit down over a meal, you are dedicating time to knowing and seeing your kids, and that is so important to their emotional well-being,” Dr. Lockman adds.
In families, there might be a long-standing way of doing things that each family member accepts. But when a new family member, like a brother-in-law, gets introduced, they might question those routines and their significance.
Dr. Lockman says that it all comes down to respecting the values of other people. If people can’t respect the values of others, there’s bound to be fighting. “I think in a family where people practice mutual respect, they can respectfully accept different standards in different homes,” Dr. Darcy Lockman told Bored Panda.
Newcomer in-laws can respect their new family’s traditions and try to learn something new
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Joining a big family as an in-law can seem daunting. Mental health therapist Heather from The Seacoast Moms shared her experience as a newbie in-law of a big family, saying that they can often come with intense confrontations, dramatic interactions, and overstimulating gatherings.
However, that doesn’t mean that it’s all bad being a new in-law in a huge family. Heather writes that it’s important to look for the good in all family members. While this may apply particularly to the in-laws you don’t get on with well, it’s still a good general rule.
Also, she recommends not taking things personally. The family might talk about you in good and bad terms. What’s important, according to Heather, is to take it all in with grace. “Good or bad, family will talk,” she writes. “How you internalize what is said is entirely up to you.”
That’s why it’s important to pick and choose your battles. Confrontations are inevitable. It’s best to recognize that not every battle is for you as an in-law.
When the new in-law is a united front with their spouse, tackling delicate issues might be easier. From what the author wrote about this story, it doesn’t seem the brother-in-law’s wife was on the same page, so perhaps that’s why his comment felt so out of place.
Some commenters pointed out that the brother-in-law might come from a different culture and that in his family, serving the men first was a tradition. However, when coming as new in-laws into a big family, people shouldn’t force their family’s rituals on them.
“Instead of focusing on your differences with disdain, take a step back and recognize how different family cultures bring spice and insights into the mix,” Heather writes for The Seacoast Moms.
Many people in the comments sided with the author and the head of the family
Others cautioned to consider cultural differences: perhaps the BIL grew up in a family where serving the men first was the norm
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"In this family, Dan, the children are served first. But since you're obviously a big whiny baby...here's your meal. Oh, and your seat is at the kiddie table"
Perhaps, as others have mentioned, Dan is from a family/culture where the men were served first. However, since he is (allegedly) a grown-ass adult, he should a) know that not every family/culture is the same and b) be able to figure out by observation that "his way" isn't the norm in that household. Mentioning the difference is OK if done in a "huh, isn't that interesting?" sort of way; having a hissy fit & arguing with the host(s) is not.
Agreed. and in cultures where the men are served first, there is generally also a pretty strong rule that the family patriarch is respected, ESPECIALLY when he's the host. Dan argued with him. Dan's definitely just an AH.
Load More Replies...Doesn't seem like Dan's ever been around hungry kids. Of course you feed them first! Or, OP could've given Dan a Snickers cuz "you're not you when you're hungry." ;)
Well, I'm not sure I'd give him anything but a chocolate covered mess that might resemble a dog turd. He needed putting in his place, hope they keep him as low man in the rankings until he grows up and gets his bs alpha male attitude checked.
Load More Replies...It's such a toxic idea that men should eat first. I don't care if it's your tradition it's sexist and some traditions deserve to be left in the past.
It was the way on my family's farm. Children would do simple stuff like collect fallen apples and feed the chickens. Women would cook, clean, and take care of the laundry, paint fences, etc. As the farm was too small for fancy equipment, it fell on the men to chop wood, mend fences, load produce on hired trucks, move bales, fix the roof, and take care of the larger animals. You could easily expect a grown man to have to shift a couple of thousand kilograms a day. When those men would practically collapse into their seats for lunch or dinner, you bet we were the last to be fed. On the other hand, we were snacking on fruits that were freely available all day long, so it's not like we were starving.
Load More Replies...When you’re the newest member of the family, and going to your first family meal, you STFU and watch everyone else, to gauge how to act. You do NOT insist on being treated like the center of attention, ffs. That’s a really good way to be left out of family functions in the future, and eventually shoved out of the family entirely.
He did do that the first meal. This time wasn’t the first, the second I believe
Load More Replies...I'll stick with the traditional "A man makes sure his family is fed before he eats." I am not from any kind of hierarchy/traditional background, but it seems that that makes obvious sense.
Agree. Because really what this family is saying is: "Adults make sure their children are fed before they feed themselves." Which is kind of unimpeachable.
Load More Replies...It's unconscionable to let the kids go hungry while feeding someone else first. Adults provide for their children and their spouses, that is what adult responsibility is. I can't fathom this level of selfishness. Hope she divorces him.
The kids go hungry? While you fix a plate for someone else? Seriously? No kid is going to starve in thirteen seconds. Yes, this guy is an Uber douche, but let's not pretend it's because the kids were on deaths door and he stole their medically advised peanuts.
Load More Replies...My father was a misogynistic a*****e. He knew kids got fed first. Mom would put food on plate and dad cooled it for the littlest ones. As family grew, kids first, and if there were any highchair needs help children, their moms would sit and start feeding them. Their husbands would fix mom's plate and their own plate. Take the plates to the table and the kid sat between their parents, so that both could eat and both could help feed the kids. It was a if there was something to be done, someone do it and I don't care who you are. If you were closest, you did it. All the men knew how to cook and care for children. You know be a parent. Oh I am a boomer so it is not an age thing, its an a*****e thing.
So, where is his wife in all of this? I would never stay silent while my husband disrespects my family this way! Maybe keep an eye out for a possible abusive relationship?
I was wondering the same thing. I wonder what her reaction was? The fact that he never came to a family dinner prior to marriage also feels like an alarm bell to me. I am not very traditional, but I grew up in an area where it is very common, and I have never heard of this being a thing.
Load More Replies...My relatives are scattered around the country, so my immediate family spent most holidays with our next door neighbors, a big welcoming Italian family. Holiday dinners were typically served buffet style, spread across the kitchen counters with everyone making their own plates (except for the kids too young to make their own). Kids ate off of the coffee table or TV trays in the living room, while the adults sat at the dining room table. It was a big deal when you were finally old enough to join the dining room, so I agree with the commenter who said that Dan should be seated at the kids table!
Simple answer here: You Dan can understand why your food takes a few minutes longer. A 2 year old can't and nobody will enjoy eating while listening to a screaming child.
"Yes, Dan, men's work is hard. But nothing is harder than being around you. That's why people get to eat ahead of you. You know, before you ruin their appetite."
Dan sounds like a redpiller who tried marrying into a "traditional" family but the "tradition" he was hoping for was dominant patriarchy.
Kids are served first. If adults are served first, who will serve the kids? An adult who doesn't get to eat with the other adults- a WOMAN, if BIL has any say in it.
In my family, kids with two hands used them to serve their own damn selves. Foods on the table, figure it out if you don't want to starve.
Load More Replies...I'm 63 and when my grown-up kids join us for dinner they are the first to be served. Btw. serving 10 - 12 plates takes no more than 5 minutes.
As a first time guest, he ought to observe, not demand. If he's "traditional" he ought to respect the Pater Familias, and PF told Dan that kids get fed first. Hungry kids are angry, whiny kids. Give them first and then you can eat in peace. Fixing others a plate seems complicated to me; what if someone wants lots of potato mash and just a little meat, and someone else wants lots of meat, but tomatoes instead of potatoes? In my family (16 people if we are all present) we put the food on a side-board and everyone helps themselves, in no determined order. Parents help their children, and everyone makes sure that everyone has had a chance to taste everything before second round. That's the norm in my family, and it works well for us.
I couldn't summon any interest in this if my life depended on it. I tried, though. For you, BP.
if it were up to me, Dan wouldn't be served any food at all. He can have the kids leftovers if I'm feeling generous.
The only real reply to this is, "and on next week's family outing we'll be eating Dan's thigh!" See if he returns hungry next week.
Load More Replies...I've never heard of not getting the kids plates first and getting them settled as the adults start making their own plates.
OP has been a long time reader, but not a contributor to AITA, and he finally saw an opportunity to share. Because SERIOUSLY OP you wonder if you should have served the blowhard interloper first to avoid conflict??? NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!
OP seemed torn between feeding BIL's sense of entitlement, and drawing a line in the sand, and I agree it is a simple answer. Had OP been questioning their choice between drawing the line in the sand and throwing his a*s straight out into the dirt, that I would have understood the need for reassurance.
Load More Replies...Does the waitress at a restaurant serve you first? I hardly doubt it. And she works at home as well. Unless you have a cook and housekeeper on payroll. YTA pal. I guess we know who gets served first at their house. Feel bad for your sister.
This is why I bring my own waitress when I go out.
Load More Replies...absolutely not the AH... we feed children first, women second and then the men. I, as server will take my plate last - but that is my choice - no man is going to tell me I cannot eat until he does.
Ha, he probably grew up in one of the kids served last situations, and now that he’s an adult he’s having a temper tantrum about not being served first. However, he is an ADULT and needs to act like one! Give him a fruit and let him sulk.
Shouldn’t have threatened to serve him last, but to withhold all service. Don’t lift a finger for the POS, he’s an adult and can cook his own dinner the way he likes it.
He complained abot slaving away in the heat. I bet it was pretty hot in the kitchen too, and the women have been "slaving away" in there.
So, whose house was the dinner in? That's the tradition you follow. Don't like it? Don't eat.
So when we eat at Church, should we throw giant boulders at the Philistines first?
Load More Replies...Dan came from tradition, came from country… in a very traditional families guest do not shows disrespect for the man of the house.
The only time adults go first is when fixing your oxygen mask on a plane in trouble.
We we eat at your house, we'll do it your way, however at THIS house we do it this way. However as a lady having children, and family, AND having grown up experiencing homes with various traditions as to serving order, in our home we have settled with, 1)kids that feed themselves, kids as a rule take longer and have a harder time waiting, it'snot to make them important, its just the easiestway to do it! 2) elders (they tend to get more entitled with age so just get them done and keep it moving) 3) guests, that's actual guests not the extended family that lives in another house, 4) kids that require feeding get thier plates so the parent who is not serving can get them started 5) the rest of us. because this way works to have time that everyone is sitting down together. Also I no longer eat cold dinner by myself before washing up after everyone else is gone!!
I would hope OPs sister could have spoken up and calmly told new husband that even though he is not used to dinner being served in this way, it is OPs Dad's house, and his rules, and husband can abide by the rules. Once OPs sister and husband are in their own home, dining rules can go back to "Mr. Me-First" rules
OP did exactly the right thing. Not Dan's house and he needs to keep his mouth shut. I, too, grew up and still live on a farm. The kids are fed first, then the adults are served. My mom would have told Dan that until he did the cooking, serving and clearing up he should sit down and shut up or do without.
You really should prepare his plate first. Make it look like a smiley face or other childish looking. Make him feel like the baby he is..
Dan, STFU and get over yourself! You are not only a newcomer, but you are a narcissistic a*****e! In case you haven't learned, the children are ALWAYS served first, you moron! Just wait until you have children, then you will figure it out, dipshit! Perhaps you need to be seated at the kids table since you feel you need to be served first, wah wha wha, crybaby! Once Dad told you how it is, you should have shut up and get the f**k over yourself!
What decade was he stepping out of? Maybe back in the 1920s or 30s they might have done this but get with it or there's the door.
If my sister brought home a man who got into an argument with my family over his entitlement. Id out him in his place real fast and show him how little of a man he really is
Dan decided to behave like a spoiled brat and deserves to be treated just like that
At our house ( grandparents)the parents serve the younger kids 1st off a buffet style table, then everyone else serves themselves - saves more mashed potatoes from the floors and we've found it to be quicker for us in the long run plus it saves hangry little tummys. On a multi generational farm the harvest crews etc would have, at one time, come to a table mostly served up to save precious work time during key times of the year and it became tradition in your family for all gatherings. Your dad gets to play the ’ my house, my rules ' card on this one. Adaptation is everything buddy, if you want to be host with your own ideas of the rules, good on you, otherwise have a little bit of adult patience or sit at the kiddie table with the other people of immature years and actions
The audacity to not only think it, but to actually express aloud what he did is pretty out there. So much for traditional values when you're willing to step to the family patriarch about how he handles something in his own home. There's nothing wrong with putting the children first and seems like a red flag for him to be so upset about it that he just couldn't control his outburst. Good luck to his wife.
NTA… it’s actually good to have such experiences as it gets their character out. He just proved himself to be self centred and needs to be put in place every single time as he is being the baby of the house
The key part of her post is that this is their family's tradition. He is joining their family and should respect it. Once he has his own family or he visits his own parents, then things would be done a different way perhaps. You don't join a family and then impose your rules on them.
"Alpha male cries at family dinner because the serving order results in literal children eating first, rather than the figurative one."
I always gave the kids their food first and I am faaaar from that traditional c**p where the men are waited on hand and foot. In my house they would starve to death before that happened. Junior would have to duck from the flying EMPTY plate aimed at his head!
I've been watching Married to Evil docu-series and this Dan sounds a lot like the power-hungry husbands who end up murdering their family.
Definitely NTA. Does BIL not know how to grab a snack? Or steal a roll? If he wants to eat first, maybe he should eat with the farm hands since he slaved away the day with them.
It doesn't matter if your culture is different or how you do things in your home. You are in someone else's home, you go by their rules. Period!!!!
We serve the oldest female first and then the oldest male. If, in your family, you do it the other way, I would just shut up and accept it because it is honestly just fine. I would not ruffle anyone’s feathers-especially my FIL’s—and most especially because I had been told. My gosh! This BIL is definitely not a team player and doesn’t know his place. Thank God he was told off in no uncertain terms. Sadly, I have a feeling he is the type who will try again next time. I see trouble brewing.
It doesn't matter if he is from a different culture. He was in someone else's house and was told no. He is a rude little twat and the sister is in for a very long lesson or a very short marriage.
This is a very bizarre situation. What kind of adult, male or female, effectively shoves a child out of the way in order to be fed first?! I can think of only one idiot who would behave like that, but apparently he’s not alone in this mentality. Ffs
An average one. I don't think you need to be particularly strong to effectively shove a child, just normal level.
Load More Replies...Obviously not too prevalent, since almost every comment is NTA.
Load More Replies...Someone should tell Dan that acting like a child doesn’t *actually* make him one. Children are served first because no one wants to listen to a hungry child getting fussy while they wait. If he’s gonna get fussy over not getting his food first then he’s perfectly capable of taking himself home where he can eat without bothering anyone else. (After all, you’ll always be served first if you’re eating by yourself)
Kind of a weird argument, judging from my own cultural background... It doesn´t matter here whose plate gets filled first, because we start eating when the last person has food on his plate and the person who cooked takes the fork into her hand. I fill the youngest kid´s plate first so it can cool off the most, but he gets a fork last so he won´t start before everybody else does.
Give the dude his plate first, and then everyone sit silently around the table and stare at him while he eats.
In my very large Dutch extended farm family, it goes small kids, elders, adult women and teen girls, adult men and teen boys last. This is because we learned long ago that if the men and teen boys went first, there would not be enough meat left for the rest of us. We cook generously, but nobody needs to fill an enormous plate just with meat and chow it down. But many of the men and boys would do just that if they could get away with it.
I suspect they might have a goat I would enjoy
Load More Replies...Ok boy needs to be very quiet Like 1 not his family but in laws 2 with all them kids around it was an intelligent move to get them out the way first And 3. Dang! Dude couldn't wait ?? Sheesh But it was the back and forth with Dad at DAD house that got my blood boiling . Who argues wit the home owner about what they do in THEIR HOUSE!
He's got six days every week to eat dinner any way he wants, and he's the new guy in a long established tradition. He's got some growing up to do
Maybe that's why he needs the food. He's a growing boy.
Load More Replies...I guess even this was a bit too far for the scummy YTA crowd that normally shows up.
Lay him the f**k out. Don’t disrespect like that at best it shows a lack of tact, at worst he’s never been backhanded
At worst he proceeds to beat the s**t out of Daddy's daughter in front of everyone and leaves that night in handcuffs. Advising people to start fights only works from your keyboard.
Load More Replies...I'm mixed and grew up in my white family when one day I visited my dad's family (From Burkina Faso), and I learned that everyone was supposed to wash their hands in the same water bowl, men first, then women, then kids without ever changing the water (we were about 25) Then we were supposed to all eat in the same huge plate with our bare hands. I asked for a fork and a knife, took my own private plate and went to wash my hands in a sink. Well, my family didn't quite liked me after that...
If the choice is between tradition and hygiene, I'm going with hygiene every time...
Load More Replies...If the adults were all served first, either they would all be eating and the kids never served, or one person (I nominate Dan) would have to serve the kids after the adults and wait to eat anyway....
Interesting. In traditional Western ettiquette (think Emily Post/Miss Manners), the senior woman is served first, then the other women, then the men, then the children (not babies, of course!). I think this teaches respect, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and traditions.
Wasn't there another thread recently with the opposite of this problem, because someone new to the family didn't like that the women had to wait for the men to be done eating first, before they ate whatever was (usually cold by then) left? Not sure this story is real, due to timing.
PS, in my family, kids are first. Plain and simple.
Load More Replies...You were NOT wondering if you should have fixed him a plate. You already know you were right your whole family agrees with you, stop looking for praise on the internet
Dan was a bit of an a*s but also some men don't eat until dinner. Dinner is breakfast. If u do physical work all day wit no food your ready to eat. If the men work & all the women do is tend to kids & food/house it ain't gonna kill em ti giv him a plate. I stayed home wit my kids for a while & it was my favorite job. I'd gladly do it over anything else. It's not hard. Was easiest job I've done. Maybe bc I liked it so much. Most places I've seen men & kids eat 1st. I usually do lots of the cooking so I'm eating while cooking usually
I remember that from the Titanic. Men and children first. They made all the women swim, except for the one who made the sandwiches... Helga can stay. Also, wonder if your kids would call your staying "the easiest job", or if that's the hardest job they've had yet in life. If "some men don't eat" it's their own GD fault. Make better choices that don't make you act like a turd.
Load More Replies...Nothing political about this. Just an entitled maroon.
Load More Replies..."In this family, Dan, the children are served first. But since you're obviously a big whiny baby...here's your meal. Oh, and your seat is at the kiddie table"
Perhaps, as others have mentioned, Dan is from a family/culture where the men were served first. However, since he is (allegedly) a grown-ass adult, he should a) know that not every family/culture is the same and b) be able to figure out by observation that "his way" isn't the norm in that household. Mentioning the difference is OK if done in a "huh, isn't that interesting?" sort of way; having a hissy fit & arguing with the host(s) is not.
Agreed. and in cultures where the men are served first, there is generally also a pretty strong rule that the family patriarch is respected, ESPECIALLY when he's the host. Dan argued with him. Dan's definitely just an AH.
Load More Replies...Doesn't seem like Dan's ever been around hungry kids. Of course you feed them first! Or, OP could've given Dan a Snickers cuz "you're not you when you're hungry." ;)
Well, I'm not sure I'd give him anything but a chocolate covered mess that might resemble a dog turd. He needed putting in his place, hope they keep him as low man in the rankings until he grows up and gets his bs alpha male attitude checked.
Load More Replies...It's such a toxic idea that men should eat first. I don't care if it's your tradition it's sexist and some traditions deserve to be left in the past.
It was the way on my family's farm. Children would do simple stuff like collect fallen apples and feed the chickens. Women would cook, clean, and take care of the laundry, paint fences, etc. As the farm was too small for fancy equipment, it fell on the men to chop wood, mend fences, load produce on hired trucks, move bales, fix the roof, and take care of the larger animals. You could easily expect a grown man to have to shift a couple of thousand kilograms a day. When those men would practically collapse into their seats for lunch or dinner, you bet we were the last to be fed. On the other hand, we were snacking on fruits that were freely available all day long, so it's not like we were starving.
Load More Replies...When you’re the newest member of the family, and going to your first family meal, you STFU and watch everyone else, to gauge how to act. You do NOT insist on being treated like the center of attention, ffs. That’s a really good way to be left out of family functions in the future, and eventually shoved out of the family entirely.
He did do that the first meal. This time wasn’t the first, the second I believe
Load More Replies...I'll stick with the traditional "A man makes sure his family is fed before he eats." I am not from any kind of hierarchy/traditional background, but it seems that that makes obvious sense.
Agree. Because really what this family is saying is: "Adults make sure their children are fed before they feed themselves." Which is kind of unimpeachable.
Load More Replies...It's unconscionable to let the kids go hungry while feeding someone else first. Adults provide for their children and their spouses, that is what adult responsibility is. I can't fathom this level of selfishness. Hope she divorces him.
The kids go hungry? While you fix a plate for someone else? Seriously? No kid is going to starve in thirteen seconds. Yes, this guy is an Uber douche, but let's not pretend it's because the kids were on deaths door and he stole their medically advised peanuts.
Load More Replies...My father was a misogynistic a*****e. He knew kids got fed first. Mom would put food on plate and dad cooled it for the littlest ones. As family grew, kids first, and if there were any highchair needs help children, their moms would sit and start feeding them. Their husbands would fix mom's plate and their own plate. Take the plates to the table and the kid sat between their parents, so that both could eat and both could help feed the kids. It was a if there was something to be done, someone do it and I don't care who you are. If you were closest, you did it. All the men knew how to cook and care for children. You know be a parent. Oh I am a boomer so it is not an age thing, its an a*****e thing.
So, where is his wife in all of this? I would never stay silent while my husband disrespects my family this way! Maybe keep an eye out for a possible abusive relationship?
I was wondering the same thing. I wonder what her reaction was? The fact that he never came to a family dinner prior to marriage also feels like an alarm bell to me. I am not very traditional, but I grew up in an area where it is very common, and I have never heard of this being a thing.
Load More Replies...My relatives are scattered around the country, so my immediate family spent most holidays with our next door neighbors, a big welcoming Italian family. Holiday dinners were typically served buffet style, spread across the kitchen counters with everyone making their own plates (except for the kids too young to make their own). Kids ate off of the coffee table or TV trays in the living room, while the adults sat at the dining room table. It was a big deal when you were finally old enough to join the dining room, so I agree with the commenter who said that Dan should be seated at the kids table!
Simple answer here: You Dan can understand why your food takes a few minutes longer. A 2 year old can't and nobody will enjoy eating while listening to a screaming child.
"Yes, Dan, men's work is hard. But nothing is harder than being around you. That's why people get to eat ahead of you. You know, before you ruin their appetite."
Dan sounds like a redpiller who tried marrying into a "traditional" family but the "tradition" he was hoping for was dominant patriarchy.
Kids are served first. If adults are served first, who will serve the kids? An adult who doesn't get to eat with the other adults- a WOMAN, if BIL has any say in it.
In my family, kids with two hands used them to serve their own damn selves. Foods on the table, figure it out if you don't want to starve.
Load More Replies...I'm 63 and when my grown-up kids join us for dinner they are the first to be served. Btw. serving 10 - 12 plates takes no more than 5 minutes.
As a first time guest, he ought to observe, not demand. If he's "traditional" he ought to respect the Pater Familias, and PF told Dan that kids get fed first. Hungry kids are angry, whiny kids. Give them first and then you can eat in peace. Fixing others a plate seems complicated to me; what if someone wants lots of potato mash and just a little meat, and someone else wants lots of meat, but tomatoes instead of potatoes? In my family (16 people if we are all present) we put the food on a side-board and everyone helps themselves, in no determined order. Parents help their children, and everyone makes sure that everyone has had a chance to taste everything before second round. That's the norm in my family, and it works well for us.
I couldn't summon any interest in this if my life depended on it. I tried, though. For you, BP.
if it were up to me, Dan wouldn't be served any food at all. He can have the kids leftovers if I'm feeling generous.
The only real reply to this is, "and on next week's family outing we'll be eating Dan's thigh!" See if he returns hungry next week.
Load More Replies...I've never heard of not getting the kids plates first and getting them settled as the adults start making their own plates.
OP has been a long time reader, but not a contributor to AITA, and he finally saw an opportunity to share. Because SERIOUSLY OP you wonder if you should have served the blowhard interloper first to avoid conflict??? NO ONE IS THAT STUPID!
OP seemed torn between feeding BIL's sense of entitlement, and drawing a line in the sand, and I agree it is a simple answer. Had OP been questioning their choice between drawing the line in the sand and throwing his a*s straight out into the dirt, that I would have understood the need for reassurance.
Load More Replies...Does the waitress at a restaurant serve you first? I hardly doubt it. And she works at home as well. Unless you have a cook and housekeeper on payroll. YTA pal. I guess we know who gets served first at their house. Feel bad for your sister.
This is why I bring my own waitress when I go out.
Load More Replies...absolutely not the AH... we feed children first, women second and then the men. I, as server will take my plate last - but that is my choice - no man is going to tell me I cannot eat until he does.
Ha, he probably grew up in one of the kids served last situations, and now that he’s an adult he’s having a temper tantrum about not being served first. However, he is an ADULT and needs to act like one! Give him a fruit and let him sulk.
Shouldn’t have threatened to serve him last, but to withhold all service. Don’t lift a finger for the POS, he’s an adult and can cook his own dinner the way he likes it.
He complained abot slaving away in the heat. I bet it was pretty hot in the kitchen too, and the women have been "slaving away" in there.
So, whose house was the dinner in? That's the tradition you follow. Don't like it? Don't eat.
So when we eat at Church, should we throw giant boulders at the Philistines first?
Load More Replies...Dan came from tradition, came from country… in a very traditional families guest do not shows disrespect for the man of the house.
The only time adults go first is when fixing your oxygen mask on a plane in trouble.
We we eat at your house, we'll do it your way, however at THIS house we do it this way. However as a lady having children, and family, AND having grown up experiencing homes with various traditions as to serving order, in our home we have settled with, 1)kids that feed themselves, kids as a rule take longer and have a harder time waiting, it'snot to make them important, its just the easiestway to do it! 2) elders (they tend to get more entitled with age so just get them done and keep it moving) 3) guests, that's actual guests not the extended family that lives in another house, 4) kids that require feeding get thier plates so the parent who is not serving can get them started 5) the rest of us. because this way works to have time that everyone is sitting down together. Also I no longer eat cold dinner by myself before washing up after everyone else is gone!!
I would hope OPs sister could have spoken up and calmly told new husband that even though he is not used to dinner being served in this way, it is OPs Dad's house, and his rules, and husband can abide by the rules. Once OPs sister and husband are in their own home, dining rules can go back to "Mr. Me-First" rules
OP did exactly the right thing. Not Dan's house and he needs to keep his mouth shut. I, too, grew up and still live on a farm. The kids are fed first, then the adults are served. My mom would have told Dan that until he did the cooking, serving and clearing up he should sit down and shut up or do without.
You really should prepare his plate first. Make it look like a smiley face or other childish looking. Make him feel like the baby he is..
Dan, STFU and get over yourself! You are not only a newcomer, but you are a narcissistic a*****e! In case you haven't learned, the children are ALWAYS served first, you moron! Just wait until you have children, then you will figure it out, dipshit! Perhaps you need to be seated at the kids table since you feel you need to be served first, wah wha wha, crybaby! Once Dad told you how it is, you should have shut up and get the f**k over yourself!
What decade was he stepping out of? Maybe back in the 1920s or 30s they might have done this but get with it or there's the door.
If my sister brought home a man who got into an argument with my family over his entitlement. Id out him in his place real fast and show him how little of a man he really is
Dan decided to behave like a spoiled brat and deserves to be treated just like that
At our house ( grandparents)the parents serve the younger kids 1st off a buffet style table, then everyone else serves themselves - saves more mashed potatoes from the floors and we've found it to be quicker for us in the long run plus it saves hangry little tummys. On a multi generational farm the harvest crews etc would have, at one time, come to a table mostly served up to save precious work time during key times of the year and it became tradition in your family for all gatherings. Your dad gets to play the ’ my house, my rules ' card on this one. Adaptation is everything buddy, if you want to be host with your own ideas of the rules, good on you, otherwise have a little bit of adult patience or sit at the kiddie table with the other people of immature years and actions
The audacity to not only think it, but to actually express aloud what he did is pretty out there. So much for traditional values when you're willing to step to the family patriarch about how he handles something in his own home. There's nothing wrong with putting the children first and seems like a red flag for him to be so upset about it that he just couldn't control his outburst. Good luck to his wife.
NTA… it’s actually good to have such experiences as it gets their character out. He just proved himself to be self centred and needs to be put in place every single time as he is being the baby of the house
The key part of her post is that this is their family's tradition. He is joining their family and should respect it. Once he has his own family or he visits his own parents, then things would be done a different way perhaps. You don't join a family and then impose your rules on them.
"Alpha male cries at family dinner because the serving order results in literal children eating first, rather than the figurative one."
I always gave the kids their food first and I am faaaar from that traditional c**p where the men are waited on hand and foot. In my house they would starve to death before that happened. Junior would have to duck from the flying EMPTY plate aimed at his head!
I've been watching Married to Evil docu-series and this Dan sounds a lot like the power-hungry husbands who end up murdering their family.
Definitely NTA. Does BIL not know how to grab a snack? Or steal a roll? If he wants to eat first, maybe he should eat with the farm hands since he slaved away the day with them.
It doesn't matter if your culture is different or how you do things in your home. You are in someone else's home, you go by their rules. Period!!!!
We serve the oldest female first and then the oldest male. If, in your family, you do it the other way, I would just shut up and accept it because it is honestly just fine. I would not ruffle anyone’s feathers-especially my FIL’s—and most especially because I had been told. My gosh! This BIL is definitely not a team player and doesn’t know his place. Thank God he was told off in no uncertain terms. Sadly, I have a feeling he is the type who will try again next time. I see trouble brewing.
It doesn't matter if he is from a different culture. He was in someone else's house and was told no. He is a rude little twat and the sister is in for a very long lesson or a very short marriage.
This is a very bizarre situation. What kind of adult, male or female, effectively shoves a child out of the way in order to be fed first?! I can think of only one idiot who would behave like that, but apparently he’s not alone in this mentality. Ffs
An average one. I don't think you need to be particularly strong to effectively shove a child, just normal level.
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Load More Replies...Someone should tell Dan that acting like a child doesn’t *actually* make him one. Children are served first because no one wants to listen to a hungry child getting fussy while they wait. If he’s gonna get fussy over not getting his food first then he’s perfectly capable of taking himself home where he can eat without bothering anyone else. (After all, you’ll always be served first if you’re eating by yourself)
Kind of a weird argument, judging from my own cultural background... It doesn´t matter here whose plate gets filled first, because we start eating when the last person has food on his plate and the person who cooked takes the fork into her hand. I fill the youngest kid´s plate first so it can cool off the most, but he gets a fork last so he won´t start before everybody else does.
Give the dude his plate first, and then everyone sit silently around the table and stare at him while he eats.
In my very large Dutch extended farm family, it goes small kids, elders, adult women and teen girls, adult men and teen boys last. This is because we learned long ago that if the men and teen boys went first, there would not be enough meat left for the rest of us. We cook generously, but nobody needs to fill an enormous plate just with meat and chow it down. But many of the men and boys would do just that if they could get away with it.
I suspect they might have a goat I would enjoy
Load More Replies...Ok boy needs to be very quiet Like 1 not his family but in laws 2 with all them kids around it was an intelligent move to get them out the way first And 3. Dang! Dude couldn't wait ?? Sheesh But it was the back and forth with Dad at DAD house that got my blood boiling . Who argues wit the home owner about what they do in THEIR HOUSE!
He's got six days every week to eat dinner any way he wants, and he's the new guy in a long established tradition. He's got some growing up to do
Maybe that's why he needs the food. He's a growing boy.
Load More Replies...I guess even this was a bit too far for the scummy YTA crowd that normally shows up.
Lay him the f**k out. Don’t disrespect like that at best it shows a lack of tact, at worst he’s never been backhanded
At worst he proceeds to beat the s**t out of Daddy's daughter in front of everyone and leaves that night in handcuffs. Advising people to start fights only works from your keyboard.
Load More Replies...I'm mixed and grew up in my white family when one day I visited my dad's family (From Burkina Faso), and I learned that everyone was supposed to wash their hands in the same water bowl, men first, then women, then kids without ever changing the water (we were about 25) Then we were supposed to all eat in the same huge plate with our bare hands. I asked for a fork and a knife, took my own private plate and went to wash my hands in a sink. Well, my family didn't quite liked me after that...
If the choice is between tradition and hygiene, I'm going with hygiene every time...
Load More Replies...If the adults were all served first, either they would all be eating and the kids never served, or one person (I nominate Dan) would have to serve the kids after the adults and wait to eat anyway....
Interesting. In traditional Western ettiquette (think Emily Post/Miss Manners), the senior woman is served first, then the other women, then the men, then the children (not babies, of course!). I think this teaches respect, but everyone is entitled to their opinions and traditions.
Wasn't there another thread recently with the opposite of this problem, because someone new to the family didn't like that the women had to wait for the men to be done eating first, before they ate whatever was (usually cold by then) left? Not sure this story is real, due to timing.
PS, in my family, kids are first. Plain and simple.
Load More Replies...You were NOT wondering if you should have fixed him a plate. You already know you were right your whole family agrees with you, stop looking for praise on the internet
Dan was a bit of an a*s but also some men don't eat until dinner. Dinner is breakfast. If u do physical work all day wit no food your ready to eat. If the men work & all the women do is tend to kids & food/house it ain't gonna kill em ti giv him a plate. I stayed home wit my kids for a while & it was my favorite job. I'd gladly do it over anything else. It's not hard. Was easiest job I've done. Maybe bc I liked it so much. Most places I've seen men & kids eat 1st. I usually do lots of the cooking so I'm eating while cooking usually
I remember that from the Titanic. Men and children first. They made all the women swim, except for the one who made the sandwiches... Helga can stay. Also, wonder if your kids would call your staying "the easiest job", or if that's the hardest job they've had yet in life. If "some men don't eat" it's their own GD fault. Make better choices that don't make you act like a turd.
Load More Replies...Nothing political about this. Just an entitled maroon.
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