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Woman Confused After Boyfriend Learns ASL For Her Deaf Brother, But Friends Say It’s Creepy
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Woman Confused After Boyfriend Learns ASL For Her Deaf Brother, But Friends Say It’s Creepy

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When people care about someone, they can go to great lengths to make sure they’re alright, to help them, if need be, or simply to put a smile on their face. But for some individuals, such devotion might seem suspicious, for reasons only known to them.

Take this redditor, for instance. After she brought her boyfriend to meet her family, he started secretly learning ASL (American Sign Language) so he could communicate with her deaf brother. But, for some reason, her friends deemed the gesture creepy, putting thoughts into the OP’s head.

Scroll down to find the full story below, where you will also find Bored Panda’s interview with the OP, who shared more details about the situation surrounding her boyfriend’s gesture.

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    This woman’s boyfriend started learning ASL so he could communicate with her deaf family member

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    “He didn’t even make a big deal out of it. He just started signing out of the blue, and I even had to do a double take”

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    In a recent interview with Bored Panda, the OP shared that Jon’s gesture surprised everyone in the family. She said that she had no idea that her boyfriend was studying ASL, so when he used it to greet her brother, Trev, and ask how he was doing, she was quite taken aback.

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    “He didn’t even make a big deal out of it. He just started signing out of the blue, and I even had to do a double take. We were all shocked and touched by it. Trev was ecstatic when he saw Jon using ASL, and my mom even hugged him,” she recalled.

    “Trev has a circle of friends from his high school, and they are all fluent in ASL. His best friend is hard of hearing as well. Despite this, he is a very socially awkward and shy person who has difficulty making friends. However, once you get to know him, he’s actually pretty talkative,” the young woman shared.

    “When he and Jon met for the first time, they instantly clicked. Then, when Jon started signing during our second visit, Trev couldn’t believe it. Outside of our family and his circle of friends, no one really bothered communicating with him through ASL, much less learn it specifically for him. Jon was the first new friend Trev has made in a long time, and we all really appreciate how much effort he put into making sure that my brother felt included. Trev even jokingly told me not to mess up my relationship with Jon, because if we break up, he’d choose Jon over me.”

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    Some sources suggest that, as of 2014, roughly 3% of the adult population in the US were ASL users. Enabling the deaf and hard-of-hearing community—as well as hearing people who choose to learn it for one reason or another—to communicate easier, American sign language was created in the early 1800s. Its history started with Dr. Thomas Hopkins Gallaudet, a minister from Hartford, Connecticut, who went to Europe to learn educational methods from several accomplished deaf educators there. Upon returning to the US, he established a school that is now known as the American School for the Deaf.

    In an interview with Bored Panda, the OP shared that after reading about Jon’s gesture, numerous members of the deaf and hard-of-hearing community reached out to her. “People have been reaching out to me saying how much they appreciated Jon’s efforts for my brother, and it would most likely be something my brother would never forget. Some people even offered to give Jon free ASL lessons.

    “I’m just so glad that this issue has brought to light the importance of learning ASL and being inclusive, and that everyone should see individuals with disabilities as actual human beings who are just as capable of achieving more given the right opportunities,” she said.

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    The online community’s response made the woman wonder if she should trust her gut more

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    Talking about her friends’ views towards Jon and their reaction to him learning ASL, the redditor admitted being unsure why they reacted the way that they did. “None of them have met Jon except my guy best friend. They met the same day Jon first met my family during my mom’s birthday. The three of us had breakfast at a diner, then Jon even offered to foot the entire bill. I thought we had a great time, so I don’t know what made my best friend suddenly turn on Jon.”

    She continued to share that because of her lack of experience with relationships, she turned to her friends, who were more experienced, for advice and validation. However, seeing the response from the online community made her wonder if she should trust her gut feeling more.

    “When I posted, I had a lot of doubts and worries because nowadays, there’s something new almost every week where people are like ‘oh, this is a red flag’ or ‘oh, this behavior is actually abusive’ or something similar. When I started dating Jon, I felt like a fish out of water. I know many people see this as naive or even downright stupid, but as I had never really dated or had a relationship before, I turned to my friends who have more experience in this area for advice and validation. I [also] tend to second guess a lot, and I thought that maybe having friends to help me out would be an advantage.

    “However, seeing the response from the community, I’ve learned to trust my gut and instincts more. I also realized the importance of surrounding myself with people who have the same values as I do, including being family-oriented. Of course, I got to appreciate Jon more for all the efforts he has put into our relationship and see how much he actually cares for me and my family,” the woman shared.

    The OP noted that the response from the community entailed both the good and the bad. Some people called Jon a green flag and said plenty of wonderful things about him, while others focused more on her friends, making some less positive comments. And while the redditor saw where they were coming from, she said that there are still some nuances to their friendship.

    “Right now, I’m still assessing and processing everything. My high school friend group has a Christmas get-together next Saturday, and I’m planning on bringing Jon along so my friends can meet him, and hopefully, change their opinions of him. Hopefully, I can get to the root of their issue with Jon and resolve things! These friends helped me survive high school. They’re not the conniving or evil type that some people paint them out to be. For now, I’m giving them the benefit of the doubt, but I don’t think I could just cut them off without at least trying to reconcile things.”

    The young woman provided more details in the comments

    Fellow netizens shared their opinions and advice

    The young woman added a couple of edits, thanking the community for sharing their thoughts

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    Bowtechie
    Community Member
    22 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Am I the only one who thinks the single guy best friend has a crush on OP? The vibe I'm getting is he's a closet "nice guy" hoping to show how he's the catch by putting a genuine catch like Jon down, and the other friends are in on it.

    MegDragon
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are people who take up learning sign language because they have a couple classes with a deaf person. What’s the evil plan there? Five months in, and she’s bringing him to the family, it makes a lot of sense for him to make an effort.

    Michelle C
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if they’re afraid to lose her and they’re trying to sabotage her relationship with Jon because they’re afraid of that possibility. They’ve also exposed that they don’t have the kind hearts that the couple and her family have. That kind of man is a keeper!

    LB
    Community Member
    18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right? I was thinking maybe they're calling it a red flag to redirect attention from the fact none of them ever tried to interact with the brother

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    Doodles1983
    Community Member
    21 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think OP NEEDS better friends. At this point Jon sounds respectful, and empathetic. Her other friends don't bother with her brother after years? Wow.

    Libstak
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She has shallow friends. They have known her for years and made zero effort to learn ASL because they don’t find it a cool or trendy thing to communicate with a deaf person. They suck

    Steve Sharpe
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The single bloke "warning her" of all the "dangers" Jon poses isn't a nice guy, he's a Nice® Guy™. One of those who thinks women are like vending machines that once he's put enough NiceGuy℠ Tokens© in she'll blast away his mountain sized pile of psoriasis flakes with a leaf blower, hitch her skirt up, then hop the f**k on and ride him like he's a stolen Kawasaki.

    Traveling Lady Railfan
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Geez ... You're gifted with a lovely boyfriend who you like for all the reasons you like him, your parents like him, your brother likes him, and your boyfriend goes through the effort of learning a new language so that he can better communicate with your family. I mean, this is an awesome fellow! Your friends sound like they watch too many TV programs or something where there's always an ulterior motive for everything, you've been given an amazing person to have a relationship with. Don't see red flags where there aren't.

    V
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    After I had been dating my boyfriend for three months his 1 year old niece preferred me to most people. We have been together 15 years, married nearly 10. Sometimes you click with the family as much as the partner.

    LB
    Community Member
    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! I often do actually, and I miss those people more than the exes most of the time

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    Just me, Happy Flower
    Community Member
    21 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Told only her *guy* best friend 1st? I’m pretty sure I know *why* he’s trying to sabotage her relationship.

    R Dennis
    Community Member
    18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked with a Bulgarian woman and one of our regular customers was Bulgarian. I learned greeting, a few phrases, and enough for work and a light chat... it's just taking an interest in other people. (Funny story on that: Someone came in for an interview and I noticed she was from Bulgaria. I reached out my hand to shake and greeted her in Bulgarian. She pulled her hand back, looked at my name tag (average American name), looked at my face (I am BROWN), and was totally confused. I almost burst out laughing, but explained how I knew some Bulgarian. For her part, she said my pronunciation was really good! )

    Mark Childers
    Community Member
    19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The so called "friend" has been waiting in the wings for her the whole time. Of course he's going to find fault in Jon. I hope she doesn't blow it with what sounds like a good guy who loves her and her family.

    Ben Aziza
    Community Member
    21 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The "Best friend" wants her. My assumption is that Instead of growing and pair and asking her out when she is single. He was too cowardly, and now he is projecting all this "manipulation and red flags" that literally personify him and all his actions in sabotaging this good relationship she has. Worm tongue a*s behavior... She has to move away from that "friend".

    Nimitz
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh s**t, ditch those bitches. I remember being in a similar situation. My middle school friend's brother was deaf and I made another deaf friend at camp. I started learning ASL to talk to them. It's a lot of fun discovering communication with a deaf person. You learn a lot about another culture and yourself. It's both highly personally and socially rewarding, but also, since you already speak the language and are just learning movements that are associated, it's actually pretty easy. Eventually it just becomes muscle memory and it's satisfying in a hard to define way. Everything about the dude sounds great. But those "friends" sound like toxic bitches that never left their home town and only want "normal" people around. Dump them!

    Cee Cee
    Community Member
    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief. The OP is bonkers and her so-called friends horrible. Boyfriend sounds like an all round decent guy. Keep him, ditch the friends is my advice.

    Shannon Donnelly
    Community Member
    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In 15 years, OP and Jon will be celebrating their 10 year wedding anniversary while her 5 "friends" will have at least 10 divorces amongst themselves because none of them could find a healthy relationship with the help of a GPS, a flashlight, or a giant clue. Lol.

    Paul C.
    Community Member
    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow! Your friends suck! What this guy is doing is ensuring that your brother can be fully included in all your joint activities, hopefully for a long time. As for your "closest guy friend" he's nasty and jealous, drop him like a hot brick, he's got ulterior motives.

    Bryn
    Community Member
    19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people are so quick to jump on any negative thing. LIke, what has that friend done to help?

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously the "guy friend" has a crush on her. She's clearly too immature to be in an adult relationship though, if she can't make a decision for herself and must run to her friends to get some kind of consensus. Her friends sound absolutely worthless and maybe should have been left behind in high school.

    WonderWoman
    Community Member
    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As the saying goes: With friends like that, who needs enemies! SMDH how utterly disgusting to try to undermine a wonderfully sweet gesture. Sh!tty people

    Livingwithcfs
    Community Member
    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have a feeling the friends are a worried she's going to leave them. They are still children and are all learning about relationships. This bf is one step ahead of the game by upping his game. Good on him for learning signing, it's a still that will hold him in good stead in life. He actually sounds like he likes her brother and has made an effort to learn how to communicate with him

    FreeTheUnicorn
    Community Member
    4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being inspired to learn a new language is not creepy. Lots of people learn a new language based on a character in a book or movie, or a photo of a place that looked like it would be good to visit. Even if inspiration comes by way of a crush, learning about Deaf culture is only a good thing.

    Cyndi Brittain
    Community Member
    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People & their judgments are changing in the strangest ways!! Back in the day, we thought these kinds of things were beautiful - across the board!

    Okiedokie
    Community Member
    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would dump those friends in a heartbeat. Unless OP has a habit of going through guys & they’re secretly trying to spare HIM there’s absolutely zero reason to throw this dude under the bus. It took me years after my divorce to even consider a dynamic with another person on a serious level. I have a child with severe special needs. When my partner showed an interest in my son & daughter without being apprehensive of my son & gave a big belly laugh when I started talking about his sillier moments that make most people stop & stare or even look on in disgust, I knew. I didn’t think for one second it was creepy.

    Beth Wheeler
    Community Member
    11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband's niece was born with hearing loss and got hearing aids at 18 mos. She was 5 when we started dating and it didn't take very long for me to understand her. She wasn't taught ASL in school but she picked it up from the other hearing impaired kids in her class. She was in public schools until highschool and really wanted to go to the private christian school at their church. My SIL and BIL agreed as long as she kept her grades. She was on the A honor roll the whole time and went to UNC. She got Cochlear Implants during a summer break and her hearing and speech are better. I happened to be working in CT the day the implants were activated. It was raining that afternoon & when my SIL pulled out.of the parking lot my niece could hear the windshield wipers. When my SIL told me that I cried. Most people can't or have a hard time understanding hearing impaired people. For Jon to secretly learn ASL is great, it sounds like he is genuinely a nice!

    Deborah B
    Community Member
    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guy "best friend" sounds like he's jealous of new boyfriend. There's no red flag in learning some ASL when a friend or partner's family is signing. It sounds like a genuinely friendly guy who has a reason to learn a new language. This is a green flag.

    LittleB
    Community Member
    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a definite giant green flag in my book! He sounds like an absolute keeper!! I don't think many guys would rakerhe time to do something like this, and this would take some serious effort and time to learn. Big kudos to him - he sounds like a great guy! The comments from your guy friend suggest perhaps he is abit jealous and making your boyfriend out to sound creepy so he can muscle in. I say stick with green flag guy (sorry I'm not sure of his name) he sounds like a total legend!!!

    Schnitzel
    Community Member
    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Someone makes an effort to alleviate an otherwise tricky situation where misunderstandings and frustration would have been involved because there's a communication barrier? OH NO! HOW DARE HE??!!! /s Jesus Christ on a salami.

    Captive
    Community Member
    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP needs better friends. There are only green flags all over and he's a great guy. Why break up? Stupid

    winterwidow87
    Community Member
    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They didn't break up? She states in the comments she's re-evaluating her friends and their motives instead.

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    Christina
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    15 minutes ago

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    CBolt
    Community Member
    31 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (Had to read the title a 2nd time to see if it actually said what I thought it did.) OP, WTF is wrong with those so-called friends? (& The guy friend is who's creepy - not Jon.) Jon obviously likes you & he picked up on a common interest he & your brother share so decided to learn ASL so they could be friends. What a wonderful, thoughtful, & kind thing he did. I expect he hoped you'd be pleased too, & who wouldn't be on seeing how happy it made your brother - I'm sure he's had numerous experiences of people not being kind to him. Your friends must have had some bad relationships - maybe a guy started out nice, then showed his true self, & was manipulative & abusive - so somebody being nice is a red flag for them, & what an awful way to go thru life. The fact that Jon made the effort to learn ASL is certainly more than those friends have ever done. If this is a con job, it's a "long con." When I was growing up we had deaf neighbors around on the other side of the block & their daught

    zims
    Community Member
    38 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to discount people's experiences, but college relationships are on a different level than high school relationships. Don't give your friends' words too much weight on that alone.

    weatherwitch
    Community Member
    2 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's signs he's a KEEPER not a red flag. Those friends of the OP are jealous or something. What a fantastic guy 💖

    Paulina
    Community Member
    3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    New boyfriend learning ASL to be able to communicate with your brother/family more freely = GREEN FLAG. Your friends ignoring your brother for years like he doesn't exist as a person = BIG RED ABLEIST FLAG.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At the risk of sounding OP's age, her friends suck, period. Jon's a keeper.

    Randy Sanders
    Community Member
    5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you need new friends. THEY never took the time to learn.

    The Starsong Princess
    Community Member
    6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He sees a future with you and wants to connect with your family. He expects to see them again. Worst case scenario, he learned something new. He sounds like a Keeper, the friend does not.

    Roxie Carter
    Community Member
    7 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's very simple - the friend group never made any effort to communicate with her brother. Now that the boyfriend is doing what they should have done years ago, they are doing some BS finger-pointing so they don't look so bad in comparison.

    H R
    Community Member
    7 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, red flags is being... "check notes" ... considerate, including, respectful, caring and hard working for everyone..... "confused noises"

    Chris the Bobcat
    Community Member
    8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't worry about what said 'friends' say, and I would set a clear boundary that they are not to talk about the boyfriend if they can't say anything nice. If they break that boundary (which they probably will), give them one chance, and if they break it again, I would distance myself. I don't think the friends have her best interests at heart, and she should be wary. After five months, the boyfriend is likely just a good guy who is trying to get along with her family. It won't take a lot of time to tell if the 'friends' are good friends or not.

    Apatheist Account2
    Community Member
    13 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whilst it's entirely possible that he's doing it for ulterior motives - it's an extra hook into her to guilt her into not splitting up, he may be a closet gay and really into her brother - unless there's any evidence to the contrary, most normal guys would do something to accommodate their partner and their relationships, so I give him credit for doing it as a good thing that allows him to be in her life fully. I'd see it as akin to learning a language to be able to speak to her family if they're from another country. Quite how one can sign while operating a game controller is a bit of a mystery though....

    BrownEyedPanda
    Community Member
    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those "friends" are nothing more than shallow, mean ableists. That "really close" guy is a major problem, trying to spread seeds of doubt in OP'S head, hoping they'll take root and manipulate her into dumping her boyfriend. I'm glad she's taking three steps back and analyzing the situation. The sooner she dumps that toxic trash, the better.

    kkrq2vk4tm
    Community Member
    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're that easily influenced then you need to take a good long look at yourself and work out why you are so insecure you can't make your own mind up about what seems a very kind gesture

    winterwidow87
    Community Member
    14 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're talking as if she's going to dump her boyfriend because of her friends, when she clearly states in the comments she has opened her eyes about her so called friends and their intentions.

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    Arabiata Arabiata
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    16 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I warn the OP, that some day Jon will eat tow sticks if the OP's french fries -> red flag, and (Ohh, my God) maybe wants to marry her later. This behavior is offensive, creepy. Run girl, run. Your "friends" know exactly what is good for you.

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    Bowtechie
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    22 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Am I the only one who thinks the single guy best friend has a crush on OP? The vibe I'm getting is he's a closet "nice guy" hoping to show how he's the catch by putting a genuine catch like Jon down, and the other friends are in on it.

    MegDragon
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are people who take up learning sign language because they have a couple classes with a deaf person. What’s the evil plan there? Five months in, and she’s bringing him to the family, it makes a lot of sense for him to make an effort.

    Michelle C
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wonder if they’re afraid to lose her and they’re trying to sabotage her relationship with Jon because they’re afraid of that possibility. They’ve also exposed that they don’t have the kind hearts that the couple and her family have. That kind of man is a keeper!

    LB
    Community Member
    18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Right? I was thinking maybe they're calling it a red flag to redirect attention from the fact none of them ever tried to interact with the brother

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    Doodles1983
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    21 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think OP NEEDS better friends. At this point Jon sounds respectful, and empathetic. Her other friends don't bother with her brother after years? Wow.

    Libstak
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She has shallow friends. They have known her for years and made zero effort to learn ASL because they don’t find it a cool or trendy thing to communicate with a deaf person. They suck

    Steve Sharpe
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The single bloke "warning her" of all the "dangers" Jon poses isn't a nice guy, he's a Nice® Guy™. One of those who thinks women are like vending machines that once he's put enough NiceGuy℠ Tokens© in she'll blast away his mountain sized pile of psoriasis flakes with a leaf blower, hitch her skirt up, then hop the f**k on and ride him like he's a stolen Kawasaki.

    Traveling Lady Railfan
    Community Member
    22 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Geez ... You're gifted with a lovely boyfriend who you like for all the reasons you like him, your parents like him, your brother likes him, and your boyfriend goes through the effort of learning a new language so that he can better communicate with your family. I mean, this is an awesome fellow! Your friends sound like they watch too many TV programs or something where there's always an ulterior motive for everything, you've been given an amazing person to have a relationship with. Don't see red flags where there aren't.

    V
    Community Member
    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    After I had been dating my boyfriend for three months his 1 year old niece preferred me to most people. We have been together 15 years, married nearly 10. Sometimes you click with the family as much as the partner.

    LB
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    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes! I often do actually, and I miss those people more than the exes most of the time

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    Just me, Happy Flower
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    21 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Told only her *guy* best friend 1st? I’m pretty sure I know *why* he’s trying to sabotage her relationship.

    R Dennis
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    18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I worked with a Bulgarian woman and one of our regular customers was Bulgarian. I learned greeting, a few phrases, and enough for work and a light chat... it's just taking an interest in other people. (Funny story on that: Someone came in for an interview and I noticed she was from Bulgaria. I reached out my hand to shake and greeted her in Bulgarian. She pulled her hand back, looked at my name tag (average American name), looked at my face (I am BROWN), and was totally confused. I almost burst out laughing, but explained how I knew some Bulgarian. For her part, she said my pronunciation was really good! )

    Mark Childers
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    19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The so called "friend" has been waiting in the wings for her the whole time. Of course he's going to find fault in Jon. I hope she doesn't blow it with what sounds like a good guy who loves her and her family.

    Ben Aziza
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    21 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The "Best friend" wants her. My assumption is that Instead of growing and pair and asking her out when she is single. He was too cowardly, and now he is projecting all this "manipulation and red flags" that literally personify him and all his actions in sabotaging this good relationship she has. Worm tongue a*s behavior... She has to move away from that "friend".

    Nimitz
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    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Oh s**t, ditch those bitches. I remember being in a similar situation. My middle school friend's brother was deaf and I made another deaf friend at camp. I started learning ASL to talk to them. It's a lot of fun discovering communication with a deaf person. You learn a lot about another culture and yourself. It's both highly personally and socially rewarding, but also, since you already speak the language and are just learning movements that are associated, it's actually pretty easy. Eventually it just becomes muscle memory and it's satisfying in a hard to define way. Everything about the dude sounds great. But those "friends" sound like toxic bitches that never left their home town and only want "normal" people around. Dump them!

    Cee Cee
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    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Good grief. The OP is bonkers and her so-called friends horrible. Boyfriend sounds like an all round decent guy. Keep him, ditch the friends is my advice.

    Shannon Donnelly
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    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In 15 years, OP and Jon will be celebrating their 10 year wedding anniversary while her 5 "friends" will have at least 10 divorces amongst themselves because none of them could find a healthy relationship with the help of a GPS, a flashlight, or a giant clue. Lol.

    Paul C.
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    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wow! Your friends suck! What this guy is doing is ensuring that your brother can be fully included in all your joint activities, hopefully for a long time. As for your "closest guy friend" he's nasty and jealous, drop him like a hot brick, he's got ulterior motives.

    Bryn
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    19 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people are so quick to jump on any negative thing. LIke, what has that friend done to help?

    Kate Johnson
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    20 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Obviously the "guy friend" has a crush on her. She's clearly too immature to be in an adult relationship though, if she can't make a decision for herself and must run to her friends to get some kind of consensus. Her friends sound absolutely worthless and maybe should have been left behind in high school.

    WonderWoman
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    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As the saying goes: With friends like that, who needs enemies! SMDH how utterly disgusting to try to undermine a wonderfully sweet gesture. Sh!tty people

    Livingwithcfs
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    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Have a feeling the friends are a worried she's going to leave them. They are still children and are all learning about relationships. This bf is one step ahead of the game by upping his game. Good on him for learning signing, it's a still that will hold him in good stead in life. He actually sounds like he likes her brother and has made an effort to learn how to communicate with him

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Being inspired to learn a new language is not creepy. Lots of people learn a new language based on a character in a book or movie, or a photo of a place that looked like it would be good to visit. Even if inspiration comes by way of a crush, learning about Deaf culture is only a good thing.

    Cyndi Brittain
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    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People & their judgments are changing in the strangest ways!! Back in the day, we thought these kinds of things were beautiful - across the board!

    Okiedokie
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    10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I would dump those friends in a heartbeat. Unless OP has a habit of going through guys & they’re secretly trying to spare HIM there’s absolutely zero reason to throw this dude under the bus. It took me years after my divorce to even consider a dynamic with another person on a serious level. I have a child with severe special needs. When my partner showed an interest in my son & daughter without being apprehensive of my son & gave a big belly laugh when I started talking about his sillier moments that make most people stop & stare or even look on in disgust, I knew. I didn’t think for one second it was creepy.

    Beth Wheeler
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    11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My husband's niece was born with hearing loss and got hearing aids at 18 mos. She was 5 when we started dating and it didn't take very long for me to understand her. She wasn't taught ASL in school but she picked it up from the other hearing impaired kids in her class. She was in public schools until highschool and really wanted to go to the private christian school at their church. My SIL and BIL agreed as long as she kept her grades. She was on the A honor roll the whole time and went to UNC. She got Cochlear Implants during a summer break and her hearing and speech are better. I happened to be working in CT the day the implants were activated. It was raining that afternoon & when my SIL pulled out.of the parking lot my niece could hear the windshield wipers. When my SIL told me that I cried. Most people can't or have a hard time understanding hearing impaired people. For Jon to secretly learn ASL is great, it sounds like he is genuinely a nice!

    Deborah B
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    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Guy "best friend" sounds like he's jealous of new boyfriend. There's no red flag in learning some ASL when a friend or partner's family is signing. It sounds like a genuinely friendly guy who has a reason to learn a new language. This is a green flag.

    LittleB
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    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is a definite giant green flag in my book! He sounds like an absolute keeper!! I don't think many guys would rakerhe time to do something like this, and this would take some serious effort and time to learn. Big kudos to him - he sounds like a great guy! The comments from your guy friend suggest perhaps he is abit jealous and making your boyfriend out to sound creepy so he can muscle in. I say stick with green flag guy (sorry I'm not sure of his name) he sounds like a total legend!!!

    Schnitzel
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    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Someone makes an effort to alleviate an otherwise tricky situation where misunderstandings and frustration would have been involved because there's a communication barrier? OH NO! HOW DARE HE??!!! /s Jesus Christ on a salami.

    Captive
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    17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP needs better friends. There are only green flags all over and he's a great guy. Why break up? Stupid

    winterwidow87
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    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They didn't break up? She states in the comments she's re-evaluating her friends and their motives instead.

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    Christina
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    CBolt
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    31 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    (Had to read the title a 2nd time to see if it actually said what I thought it did.) OP, WTF is wrong with those so-called friends? (& The guy friend is who's creepy - not Jon.) Jon obviously likes you & he picked up on a common interest he & your brother share so decided to learn ASL so they could be friends. What a wonderful, thoughtful, & kind thing he did. I expect he hoped you'd be pleased too, & who wouldn't be on seeing how happy it made your brother - I'm sure he's had numerous experiences of people not being kind to him. Your friends must have had some bad relationships - maybe a guy started out nice, then showed his true self, & was manipulative & abusive - so somebody being nice is a red flag for them, & what an awful way to go thru life. The fact that Jon made the effort to learn ASL is certainly more than those friends have ever done. If this is a con job, it's a "long con." When I was growing up we had deaf neighbors around on the other side of the block & their daught

    zims
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    38 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Not to discount people's experiences, but college relationships are on a different level than high school relationships. Don't give your friends' words too much weight on that alone.

    weatherwitch
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    2 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's signs he's a KEEPER not a red flag. Those friends of the OP are jealous or something. What a fantastic guy 💖

    Paulina
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    3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    New boyfriend learning ASL to be able to communicate with your brother/family more freely = GREEN FLAG. Your friends ignoring your brother for years like he doesn't exist as a person = BIG RED ABLEIST FLAG.

    Lyoness
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    3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    At the risk of sounding OP's age, her friends suck, period. Jon's a keeper.

    Randy Sanders
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    5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think you need new friends. THEY never took the time to learn.

    The Starsong Princess
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    6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He sees a future with you and wants to connect with your family. He expects to see them again. Worst case scenario, he learned something new. He sounds like a Keeper, the friend does not.

    Roxie Carter
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    7 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's very simple - the friend group never made any effort to communicate with her brother. Now that the boyfriend is doing what they should have done years ago, they are doing some BS finger-pointing so they don't look so bad in comparison.

    H R
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    7 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    So, red flags is being... "check notes" ... considerate, including, respectful, caring and hard working for everyone..... "confused noises"

    Chris the Bobcat
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    8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I wouldn't worry about what said 'friends' say, and I would set a clear boundary that they are not to talk about the boyfriend if they can't say anything nice. If they break that boundary (which they probably will), give them one chance, and if they break it again, I would distance myself. I don't think the friends have her best interests at heart, and she should be wary. After five months, the boyfriend is likely just a good guy who is trying to get along with her family. It won't take a lot of time to tell if the 'friends' are good friends or not.

    Apatheist Account2
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    13 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Whilst it's entirely possible that he's doing it for ulterior motives - it's an extra hook into her to guilt her into not splitting up, he may be a closet gay and really into her brother - unless there's any evidence to the contrary, most normal guys would do something to accommodate their partner and their relationships, so I give him credit for doing it as a good thing that allows him to be in her life fully. I'd see it as akin to learning a language to be able to speak to her family if they're from another country. Quite how one can sign while operating a game controller is a bit of a mystery though....

    BrownEyedPanda
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    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those "friends" are nothing more than shallow, mean ableists. That "really close" guy is a major problem, trying to spread seeds of doubt in OP'S head, hoping they'll take root and manipulate her into dumping her boyfriend. I'm glad she's taking three steps back and analyzing the situation. The sooner she dumps that toxic trash, the better.

    kkrq2vk4tm
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    14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you're that easily influenced then you need to take a good long look at yourself and work out why you are so insecure you can't make your own mind up about what seems a very kind gesture

    winterwidow87
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    14 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're talking as if she's going to dump her boyfriend because of her friends, when she clearly states in the comments she has opened her eyes about her so called friends and their intentions.

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    Arabiata Arabiata
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    16 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I warn the OP, that some day Jon will eat tow sticks if the OP's french fries -> red flag, and (Ohh, my God) maybe wants to marry her later. This behavior is offensive, creepy. Run girl, run. Your "friends" know exactly what is good for you.

    Rahul Pawa
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