Every relationship has its own boundaries and norms. So it can be hard to immediately understand if there is something problematic going on outside of what we might consider directly, “abuse.” That being said, making your partner, particularly one with a heart condition, feel mortal danger is pretty clearly a major issue.
A woman asked the internet for advice after her competitive boyfriend “tried to prove a point” by holding her underwater. We reached out to the woman who shared the story via private message and will update the article when she gets back to us.
Pranks and contests in a relationship can be ok if both parties are into it
But one woman was worried after her boyfriend held her underwater as a “competition”
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The feeling of drowning can be deeply traumatizing
It goes without saying that even the sensation of drawing is enough to induce panic and stress. This is exactly how the infamous waterboarding method works, as it tricks the brain into thinking you are drowning. This is, for most people, a deeply traumatic experience. Allen Keller, the director of the Bellevue Hospital/New York University Program for Survivors of Torture has stated that waterboarding victims were “traumatized years later.”
Drowning is a common cause of death and something that terrifies people just as an idea. After all, it’s the third most common unintentional method of dying worldwide. The feeling of drowning is even worse, as your brain starts to think it’s about to die as you begin to lose oxygen. Most people panic when they are drowning, which makes rescue attempts difficult at times.
Just the fact that the boyfriend’s actions draws comparisons to actual torture methods should be enough of an indication that he didn’t just overstep a line, he took a running jump. Even worse, he thought it was funny and then had the gall to complain about the marks on his arm. At the same time, he also lies about apologizing.
Acting this way towards a partner is basically abuse
Even if he only held her underwater for a second, seeing himself as the victim and then lying about the aftermath is enough to consider a breakup. It does look like this is “normal” behavior for him, as the woman feels like she needs a second opinion. Even though it was not done “in anger” like most “conventional” physical abuse, subjecting your partner to a mock drowning is disturbing behavior. It’s the sort of thing that most folks would run away from immediately.
A common “accomplice” of abuse is isolation. The victim doesn’t have a support system or allies to turn to. Indeed, this also means they don’t have someone to tell them just how disturbing their partner’s behavior is. The woman states that she can’t go to her family over this issue, as, sadly, they would focus on her relationship and not the matter at hand. Ultimately, she needs to realize that he won’t stop this sort of behavior since he clearly enjoys it.
This man is a danger and she needs to leave him
Many of the comments (which can be found below) tell her to leave this man immediately. Even in the best case scenario, he is still a hazard to her health. After all, if we somehow believe that he truly wasn’t acting in malice, he is still willing to make a person with a heart condition believe they are dying. This is a direct risk to her mental and physical health.
Unfortunately, the more realistic possibility is that he is cruel and enjoys controlling someone. This can (and arguably has) manifested itself as control over their physical body. He has a pathologic need to “prove” he is superior, which could come from his own upbringing. Many abusers were themselves abused in the past. This doesn’t justify his actions, but simply reinforced the idea that he is not acting in good faith.
Regardless, when your partner is traumatized by your actions, you have clearly messed up. Particularly when she told him quite clearly that it was a problem for her. Instead, he gaslights and plays it off. In short, he will probably do something similar again, ignore her protests and then try to play the victim because she, perhaps literally, fought tooth and nail to protect herself.
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I'm so glad it looks like everyone agreed that's a complete "get the hell out of there" answer. Even if she was the healthiest woman in the world it does not make it okay for somebody to hold you underwater (especially while struggling??) I really hope she took everybody's advice and left. I don't think most men understand how terrifying it is to women when they just casually talk about how much stronger they are, and how they could totally overpower you at any point. Then this man goes and one ups it by showing her literally how much stronger he is, and just how easy it would be to kill her.
Not only did he not apologise, he blamed her for scratching him as she was trying to get out. 😳
Load More Replies..."My boyfriend tried to kill me. Am I overreacting?" Does that sound about right?
Yep it does. She however has been gaslit in the true sense, she doesn't trust her own thinking and believes it all to be her fault. He's not only cruel, he is evil.
Load More Replies...The near drowning reminds me of what I read once: if someone chokes their partner, there's a good chance they'll eventually kill them.
Yes. or even put their hands around their neck in anger, even if they don't squeeze.
Load More Replies...Jesus she’s isolated in another country, in an abusive relationship and doesn’t want to talk to her mother and sister about it. Ticking all the boxes for an abuser to take advantage of her. She’s also quite a bit younger and clearly inexperienced. She’s needs to get out, fast
That's the thing with these abusers, they prey on the young and naieve and make you believe it's YOU that's the problem, while isolating you from any possible support. I've been there.
Load More Replies...Pun unintended, but bf was testing the waters, to see how easy it would be to dominate, terrorise, and eventually end his intended victim. OP needs to vacate that relationship last week. Get to a battered women's shelter, a hotel, or go home to her family, but GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!! That isn't love; it's a preview of the upcoming feature: her ultimate demise.
A friend of mine has this condition and he already had two cardiac arrests. He was way, way closer to actually killing her than people realise. He disrespects her and her diagnosis. If she stays in this relationship he will eventually kill her!
How do you know it's the same condition? There are several that can have that effect - I have one myself, and my heart rate has been as high as 173 just mooching around my apartment (on which occasion I dunked my head in ice water to trigger it to slow down - a useful trick using the vagus nerve).
Load More Replies...He is toying with her like a cat would with a mouse. So, he got her all alone, without anyone nearby to help her. His competitive questions escalating to dangerous "games". She cannot just leave this man, she has to go with a plan. This is the kind of guy that will kill her when he finds her leaving.
When I was in college, a classmate blurted out mid lecture, “I wonder what it would be like to r*pe a woman?” Being a woman, I was terrified. I reported him to the school. The school reported him to the local police. The police did nothing. A few months later, the same kid open gunfire on a crowd killing several people, including a child, and shot then Congresswoman Gabby Giffords almost point blank in the head. I know shoving someone under water is not the same as making disturbing comments, but the point I’m about to make applies to both. If someone says or does something that terrifies you, there’s a reason. Don’t take their words or actions lightly. Get as far away from them as quickly as possible and tell someone you’re scared.
You are so right. Killers very often start by hurting and killing animals, as some sort of practice run.
Load More Replies...You are doomed if you stay with that psychopath. Better off anywhere else!
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As a child, I couldn't swin or anything, someone i trusted dropped me in the deep water... they didn't think they would do me harm... but I very fast was on my way to the buttom... they caught me and helped me in... But me body don't forget. It's a trauma... 45 + years later... my body anf my mind remembers like yesterday. We were children. We didn't know. He is an adult... get away. Get therapy...
This happened to me when I was about 12/13. The whole school was having a day out and some of us could choose to go the local swimming pools. Anyway, I panicked and kicked that guy in the ballz then and had it happen again now, I would have beaten him bloody! Like no-stopping-me-bloody..That girl needs to leave before she gets seriously injured, or worse.
RED FLAGS! He tried to drown her, murder her. End this relationship if you want to continue living and breathing. He’s extremely toxic and will kill you someday.
This is not okay! Holding someone underwater is never okay! Unless you're being stupid with a friend, "On the count of three, we hold each other underwater for ten seconds!"
Which in this case involves consent and agreed boundaries, so acceptable.
Load More Replies...Even without the medical condition, he is beyond toxic. Either he enjoys controlling or hurting her, or he really meant it the way he said, which means he's like a psychopath or something who doesn't feel empathy, if he doesn't understand how scary and damaging his actions were. In both cases she needs to get away.
You need to work on yourself more ... why? In case you need to defend yourself against someone you love and trust when you're at your most vulnerable? No the best way to defend against that is dump him, block him, get a security system, and, if he doesn't go away, a restraining order.
WTF Get the hell out of there. Some specifics on what religions and what country she is from and in now would be interesting.
Not sure about the point of view of that third picture...anyway, never surprise someone who has a heart condition. Never.
I don't think this was attempted murder or he tried to drown her. He was getting off on the power that he held her life in his hands. I would be scared to file a police report or protective order with that type of person. I hope she can get out of that relationship safely.
Leave and then call the police and press charges! Then there will be a record WHEN he does this to someone else (and he surely will) hopefully he can be stoped before he goes all the way through with it, but it’s pretty much certain that one day he will kill someone, if he’s not stopped or if he doesn’t seek SERIOUS assistance/therapy!
"Ugh, you don't even make it *difficult* to murder you. Put in some effort, babe. It's tough love, you need to hear it, I will murder you. You're welcome, geez!" is a novel defense
I was severely bullied as a child and vividly remember a boy holding me underwater in the pool one day, must have been almost 50 years ago now. That sense of drowning is horrible and makes you fight for your life. No wonder she scratched him. I think I tried to kick my bully in the face. She could definetely had a serious heart problem from that. I sincerely hope that she got away before he totally controlled her.
He is angry with you for defending yourself. He could have killed you. You need to leave now. Next time he is at work, pack everything that is yours and leave. Contact your family and see if they can help you financially to get away from him.
I don't see anything in this relationship or these people that is not totally wrong.
"I can't always defend myself successfully from everything". Your parter should be the person who wants to keep you safe NOT someone you need protection from. I don't care if he's driving like an a*s to scare you or literally trying to kill you like here. If someone does this they're not the one
This dude's gonna kill some woman one of these days. Hope it's not OP.
Does he also tear off butterflies' wings and laugh? Set cats' tails on fire and blame them for scratching him? He's a psycho & she should run fast & far. ..... She should also report him for assault/attempted murder and get a restraining order.
What he did was a test run. The next time would have been much deadlier.
Load More Replies...Some people probably couldn't hold their breathe for that long and would start drowning, and in any case if you weren't expecting it you wouldn't be trying to hold your breathe so you could end up inhaling way too much water. He could have murdered you. Not to mention shoving someone's head anywhere, but especially into water, is very obviously abusive. And then he belittles you and says it's a prank? "My boyfriend did something abusive and almost killed me and then put the blame on me. Am I overreacting?"
Run fast, run far and ask for a restraining orders. The density of red flags is such that you can see it from the furthest galaxy. You're a young won isolated and that's how all abusers start (often by competing or saying their partner is not good enough in anything). YOU RE IN DANGER! It is almost cetain he will kill you someday and telling everyone it was an accident. He is a sociopath. I would have drowned this dirty bastard to give him a taste of his own medicne (oops I didn't remember human beigs were not amphibians, Your Honour).
Once more, in the words of the late Bray Wyatt (1 Yr Anniversary of leaving us, sadly): RUN!!!
Appears he and his religion believe women should be more subservient. RUN GIRL WHILE YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO.
Is there some way to reach out to this woman and offer her actual support and help to leave this jerk and to provide her with a friend group that will keep her safe?
OP is my age and I can't imagine how scary that was.. I really really really hope she's able to get out of there safely. Especially with a heart condition, in my eyes what he did was attempted murder because he KNEW of her heart condition.
I'm so glad it looks like everyone agreed that's a complete "get the hell out of there" answer. Even if she was the healthiest woman in the world it does not make it okay for somebody to hold you underwater (especially while struggling??) I really hope she took everybody's advice and left. I don't think most men understand how terrifying it is to women when they just casually talk about how much stronger they are, and how they could totally overpower you at any point. Then this man goes and one ups it by showing her literally how much stronger he is, and just how easy it would be to kill her.
Not only did he not apologise, he blamed her for scratching him as she was trying to get out. 😳
Load More Replies..."My boyfriend tried to kill me. Am I overreacting?" Does that sound about right?
Yep it does. She however has been gaslit in the true sense, she doesn't trust her own thinking and believes it all to be her fault. He's not only cruel, he is evil.
Load More Replies...The near drowning reminds me of what I read once: if someone chokes their partner, there's a good chance they'll eventually kill them.
Yes. or even put their hands around their neck in anger, even if they don't squeeze.
Load More Replies...Jesus she’s isolated in another country, in an abusive relationship and doesn’t want to talk to her mother and sister about it. Ticking all the boxes for an abuser to take advantage of her. She’s also quite a bit younger and clearly inexperienced. She’s needs to get out, fast
That's the thing with these abusers, they prey on the young and naieve and make you believe it's YOU that's the problem, while isolating you from any possible support. I've been there.
Load More Replies...Pun unintended, but bf was testing the waters, to see how easy it would be to dominate, terrorise, and eventually end his intended victim. OP needs to vacate that relationship last week. Get to a battered women's shelter, a hotel, or go home to her family, but GET THE HELL OUT OF THERE!! That isn't love; it's a preview of the upcoming feature: her ultimate demise.
A friend of mine has this condition and he already had two cardiac arrests. He was way, way closer to actually killing her than people realise. He disrespects her and her diagnosis. If she stays in this relationship he will eventually kill her!
How do you know it's the same condition? There are several that can have that effect - I have one myself, and my heart rate has been as high as 173 just mooching around my apartment (on which occasion I dunked my head in ice water to trigger it to slow down - a useful trick using the vagus nerve).
Load More Replies...He is toying with her like a cat would with a mouse. So, he got her all alone, without anyone nearby to help her. His competitive questions escalating to dangerous "games". She cannot just leave this man, she has to go with a plan. This is the kind of guy that will kill her when he finds her leaving.
When I was in college, a classmate blurted out mid lecture, “I wonder what it would be like to r*pe a woman?” Being a woman, I was terrified. I reported him to the school. The school reported him to the local police. The police did nothing. A few months later, the same kid open gunfire on a crowd killing several people, including a child, and shot then Congresswoman Gabby Giffords almost point blank in the head. I know shoving someone under water is not the same as making disturbing comments, but the point I’m about to make applies to both. If someone says or does something that terrifies you, there’s a reason. Don’t take their words or actions lightly. Get as far away from them as quickly as possible and tell someone you’re scared.
You are so right. Killers very often start by hurting and killing animals, as some sort of practice run.
Load More Replies...You are doomed if you stay with that psychopath. Better off anywhere else!
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩Did I mention🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩Oh yes🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
As a child, I couldn't swin or anything, someone i trusted dropped me in the deep water... they didn't think they would do me harm... but I very fast was on my way to the buttom... they caught me and helped me in... But me body don't forget. It's a trauma... 45 + years later... my body anf my mind remembers like yesterday. We were children. We didn't know. He is an adult... get away. Get therapy...
This happened to me when I was about 12/13. The whole school was having a day out and some of us could choose to go the local swimming pools. Anyway, I panicked and kicked that guy in the ballz then and had it happen again now, I would have beaten him bloody! Like no-stopping-me-bloody..That girl needs to leave before she gets seriously injured, or worse.
RED FLAGS! He tried to drown her, murder her. End this relationship if you want to continue living and breathing. He’s extremely toxic and will kill you someday.
This is not okay! Holding someone underwater is never okay! Unless you're being stupid with a friend, "On the count of three, we hold each other underwater for ten seconds!"
Which in this case involves consent and agreed boundaries, so acceptable.
Load More Replies...Even without the medical condition, he is beyond toxic. Either he enjoys controlling or hurting her, or he really meant it the way he said, which means he's like a psychopath or something who doesn't feel empathy, if he doesn't understand how scary and damaging his actions were. In both cases she needs to get away.
You need to work on yourself more ... why? In case you need to defend yourself against someone you love and trust when you're at your most vulnerable? No the best way to defend against that is dump him, block him, get a security system, and, if he doesn't go away, a restraining order.
WTF Get the hell out of there. Some specifics on what religions and what country she is from and in now would be interesting.
Not sure about the point of view of that third picture...anyway, never surprise someone who has a heart condition. Never.
I don't think this was attempted murder or he tried to drown her. He was getting off on the power that he held her life in his hands. I would be scared to file a police report or protective order with that type of person. I hope she can get out of that relationship safely.
Leave and then call the police and press charges! Then there will be a record WHEN he does this to someone else (and he surely will) hopefully he can be stoped before he goes all the way through with it, but it’s pretty much certain that one day he will kill someone, if he’s not stopped or if he doesn’t seek SERIOUS assistance/therapy!
"Ugh, you don't even make it *difficult* to murder you. Put in some effort, babe. It's tough love, you need to hear it, I will murder you. You're welcome, geez!" is a novel defense
I was severely bullied as a child and vividly remember a boy holding me underwater in the pool one day, must have been almost 50 years ago now. That sense of drowning is horrible and makes you fight for your life. No wonder she scratched him. I think I tried to kick my bully in the face. She could definetely had a serious heart problem from that. I sincerely hope that she got away before he totally controlled her.
He is angry with you for defending yourself. He could have killed you. You need to leave now. Next time he is at work, pack everything that is yours and leave. Contact your family and see if they can help you financially to get away from him.
I don't see anything in this relationship or these people that is not totally wrong.
"I can't always defend myself successfully from everything". Your parter should be the person who wants to keep you safe NOT someone you need protection from. I don't care if he's driving like an a*s to scare you or literally trying to kill you like here. If someone does this they're not the one
This dude's gonna kill some woman one of these days. Hope it's not OP.
Does he also tear off butterflies' wings and laugh? Set cats' tails on fire and blame them for scratching him? He's a psycho & she should run fast & far. ..... She should also report him for assault/attempted murder and get a restraining order.
What he did was a test run. The next time would have been much deadlier.
Load More Replies...Some people probably couldn't hold their breathe for that long and would start drowning, and in any case if you weren't expecting it you wouldn't be trying to hold your breathe so you could end up inhaling way too much water. He could have murdered you. Not to mention shoving someone's head anywhere, but especially into water, is very obviously abusive. And then he belittles you and says it's a prank? "My boyfriend did something abusive and almost killed me and then put the blame on me. Am I overreacting?"
Run fast, run far and ask for a restraining orders. The density of red flags is such that you can see it from the furthest galaxy. You're a young won isolated and that's how all abusers start (often by competing or saying their partner is not good enough in anything). YOU RE IN DANGER! It is almost cetain he will kill you someday and telling everyone it was an accident. He is a sociopath. I would have drowned this dirty bastard to give him a taste of his own medicne (oops I didn't remember human beigs were not amphibians, Your Honour).
Once more, in the words of the late Bray Wyatt (1 Yr Anniversary of leaving us, sadly): RUN!!!
Appears he and his religion believe women should be more subservient. RUN GIRL WHILE YOU ARE STILL ABLE TO.
Is there some way to reach out to this woman and offer her actual support and help to leave this jerk and to provide her with a friend group that will keep her safe?
OP is my age and I can't imagine how scary that was.. I really really really hope she's able to get out of there safely. Especially with a heart condition, in my eyes what he did was attempted murder because he KNEW of her heart condition.
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