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“I Can’t Even See Him As A Man Anymore”: Woman Changes Opinion About BF After He Refused To Help
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“I Can’t Even See Him As A Man Anymore”: Woman Changes Opinion About BF After He Refused To Help

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(Un)willingness to help other people can tell a lot about a person. Sometimes, the way they react in a certain situation can make you see them in a different light completely, for better or worse.

That’s what happened with this redditor and her boyfriend. They were waiting for their ride after a Christmas party when the OP saw a woman standing alone on the street and a drunken guy wandering around her. The redditor didn’t hesitate to come to her help and make sure she got into her car okay, but her boyfriend didn’t seem as keen to help, which significantly influenced the way she saw him after that. Scroll down to find the full story in her own words below.

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    It’s important not to turn a blind eye when someone might be in need of help

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    This couple saw a woman standing alone on the street and a drunken guy next to her, but only one of the partners decided to come to her help

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    Every month, billions of people find themselves having to ask strangers for help

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    Most of us know that we can trust our close friends and family. But can we trust strangers to lend a helping hand when we need it the most? That seems to be a matter of luck as you never know what kind of people are roaming the same areas that you do.

    You might be happy to learn that, according to the World Giving Index, billions of people help someone they don’t know every month. The 2014 edition of the report found that back in 2013, for instance, as many as 2.3 billion worldwide did, marking a 226 million increase since 2012.

    The report noted that men were more likely than women to help strangers, though other studies suggest that empathy in everyday life is higher for women rather than their male counterparts. According to the World Giving Index, the age group ranging from 30 to 49 years of age is the most likely to help a stranger.

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    Another study, carried out by researchers from UCLA (University of California, Los Angeles), Australia, Ecuador, Germany, the Netherlands, and the UK, found that people around the world signal strangers for assistance every couple of minutes, and the “requests for assistance are very frequent and mostly successful; and when people decline to give help, they normally give a reason.”

    The bystander effect may or may not have something to do with people’s lack of helpfulness when someone’s in trouble, opinions differ

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    When the woman on the street approached the OP and her boyfriend, asking if she could stay with them for a moment, the redditor didn’t hesitate to say yes. She saw that the person was in an unfavorable situation and wanted to make sure she got out of it safely. However, her boyfriend wasn’t on the same page, or at least wasn’t equally willing to act on it; and some redditors saw why – being confrontational as a man and a woman is not always received the same way.

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    But it’s not only fears for one’s safety (which aren’t always unfounded) that keep some people from helping others. Sometimes the phenomenon known as the bystander effect does. Making people act oblivious to the misfortune of others, the phenomenon refers to people refraining from helping others—be it providing medical aid, stopping a bully, or anything else—when they are in the presence of other people. Some sources suggest that the greater the number of bystanders is, the less likely one of them is to provide help to someone in need.

    According to Medical News Today, due to the bystander effect, “People may freeze, become apathetic, avoid a plea for help, or ignore an emergency in the presence of other onlookers or bystanders.” The aforementioned source also referred to a research program from the ‘60s, which found that while any participant who was the sole bystander at the moment helped someone in need, only 62% did when they were part of a larger group.

    But despite numerous sources citing the seemingly obvious presence of the bystander effect, recent studies seem to have disproved that the phenomenon is stopping people from helping others. An international team of researchers used CCTV video systems to examine 219 aggressive public conflicts in Amsterdam (The Netherlands), Lancaster (the United Kingdom), and Cape Town (South Africa) and found that in as much as 91% of situations a bystander, or multiple bystanders, intervened in the public conflict.

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    While the OP intervened, too, when she saw a woman in trouble, her boyfriend didn’t, which made her see him in a different light. After reading her story, some netizens sided with her, but others weren’t so quick to judge the boyfriend’s reaction and suggested that it was the way that it was for a reason. The netizens shared their opinions in the comments.

    Some netizens sided with the OP

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    Others said it wasn’t smart of her to confront the drunken man

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    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This has everything to do with empathy, and nothing to do with masculinity

    Gavin Johnson
    Community Member
    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Friend of mine saw a lass who was sobbing her heart out in the centre of Manchester, he went to talk to her and see if she needed any help, turns out her boyfriend had slapped her and then walked off, he offered her the chance to join them in a taxi home (there were a mixture of men & women in his group), boyfriend reappears, punches, one punch, knocks my mate out, he cracks his head on the kerb, 2 weeks in a coma with reducing signs of life, life support switched off and he passes away. One punch. Manslaughter charge for the aggressor. I am VERY wary of stepping into any situation I can’t fully control. My masculinity isn’t harmed by me staying safe. Sorry, your safety is important but I won’t risk my life in order to protect yours.

    Kkg
    Community Member
    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm very sorry for your friend, it's truly tragic, but there was no situation he stepped into. He did not confront the aggressor, he just wanted to help a crying girl. Is this already considered a dangerous situation?

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    Medway Gal
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some years ago me, my husband and his best mate was waiting at a cab station for a cab, we were approached by 2 drunk men who started to beat up the best mate, after about 10 seconds (which is a really long time to watch a friend getting beat up) I stepped in and started pulling the guys off him, it took about 2 minutes to stop the fight, and the drunks ran off leaving the best mate on the floor with a kicked in head and detached retina. My husband spent the whole time looking at his phone, apparently it all happened so quickly he did not have time to react. Suffice to say we were divorced 6 months later. This was not the reason for the divorce, but it was the straw that broke the camels back.

    BookFanatic
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I, a woman, would not expect a man to come to my aid simply because he is a man. I would, however, expect a fellow human to call the police or go get a bouncer or two. I get that putting oneself in harm's way--especially for a stranger--isn't for everyone.

    RP
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The comments about not escalating are spot on BUT as others rightly pointed out, that does not equate to just ignoring what's going on. You call the cops, you get others to help as well so you have a real deterrent etc. The people saying that everyone should just kind their own business are the reason the world is falling apart.

    Alexandra
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the two of them with the bartender, had handled the drunk person, any threat he formed would have been greatly diminished. It's also not about him being a man; it's about him not helping his gf when he sees she's struggling. Instant dump on my part: you can't be trusted to have my back.

    Tams21
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Soldiers train for months to fight but some freeze when they get into a real battle. Cops also choose to do a job that puts them in the line of fire but some also can't deal with it, a case in point being the Uvalde shooting. When people have tried to help others, people have gotten stabbed in the past and maybe the bf was just plain scared. We all hope we would show courage in a scary situation but the reality is that we don't know until we've experienced one. If the op wants a boyfriend that acts differently in situations like that then fair enough, that's her choice. But to basically write that he's not a man because a reaction he couldn't control is very harsh.

    quentariel
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This would be valid if the situation would have happened fast. But the description made it sound like it lasted several minutes. To stand there minutes staring at your phone while your girlfriend and another girl deal with a possibly aggressive drunk isn't just freezing, it's blatant ignorance. If the bf was scared of confrontation, he could have gone to get a bouncer/waiter from inside the bar or something. Peole don't always act rationally in the face of crisis, but leaving your gf completely alone and probably feeling like her bf couldn't care less about her is just ridiculous.

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    Weltschmerz
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I personally couldn't stand by and watch this myself however I see the boyfriends point of view, and depending on what country this is it could have ended up really badly. Some people like to help some do not, he is no less of a "man" for not doing so. I know if something had happened to that woman and I could have helped I'd have struggled to have that on my conscience.

    KatSaidWhat
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see his POV but he was ok with his GF getting involved and not even giving any indication of support.

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    UncleJohn3000
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I briefly dated a woman who would pick fights and expect me to finish them. Briefly.

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Im glad you did something, he really should have gotten help or something and i think its mental that he doesn't even feel bad for not doing anything!!!

    Lorrie Rothstein
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she should have called the cops. The boyfriend is right we don’t know what people do

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well OP had me until the last paragraph. BF doesnt seem to care about strangers, isn't concerned that his GF is struggling with a drunk guy, definitely time re-evaluate. But the be a man attitude and I don't see him as a man, OP is toxic af and no one should date either of them. There is an outside chance that he was thinking getting another male involved in the situation would escalate things, I've worked in bars and it's often much easier to de-escalate a drunk man if you're a woman. But from OPs description, he was just disinterested. Break up.

    Bette
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This situation has everything to do with looking out for a vulnerable person and nothing to do with "(strong masculine) men must come to the rescue of (weaker) women" dynamic!! It is a pity too many times when some altercation is happening, much of society has developed a "blind eye" and self-preservation as a reason not to get involved.

    Kurtz Frausun
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We may not like it, but in today's society, the mere presense of a man stepping in can quickly deescalate a situation when a woman is in danger. Had to do that numerous times...just buy walking over and asking "Do we have a problem?" makes a threat change their tune fast. Don't blame her at all for seeing him in a different light.

    BookFanatic
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly, true. I do appreciate men who step up. But I don't expect it. I was getting harassed by a particularly nasty library patron and a regular patron came up and stood next to me. Didn't say a word. Just crossed his arms and stared. Dude was a WWII veteran. Patron immediately backed down and left.

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    Kimberly Bailey
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ladies I've said it before and I'll say it again, please learn to protect yourselves and/or carry a legal weapon of some form. Pepper spray on your keychain is not expensive and lasts up to two years unless used. Even a few rocks in the bottom of your handbag can help you deliver a powerful enough blow to give you time to run away or call out for help.

    Surly Scot
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    1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dump the BF, date one of the bartenders. Problem sorted. Also for the folks who keep saying "it's too dangerous to get involved" when seeing someone being abused or put into danger - YOU PEOPLE ARE EVERYTHING THATS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD. Just because something is risky doesn't mean we don't TRY, especially when it comes to helping. Would you all watch a man bludgeon a dog to death in front of you and say "oh, i'm not getting involved, that shovel is too dangerous". Cowards. Nothing more than cowards. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    Kimberly Bailey
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the situation you described were to happen in front of me, there would be a man trying to seek medical attention with a shovel stuck in his a**l orifice sideways! I don't even play when it comes to dogs lol :D

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    Papa
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not going to address what the boyfriend should or shouldn't have done, but OP certainly didn't use good judgment. Instead of physically trying to get the drunk guy out of the car why didn't she just tell the girl not to get in (or to get out if she was already in the car)?

    Rdj
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes tell her to get out and let him drive away with the drunk guy.

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    Reta Murphy
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    23 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hopefully, boyfriend will pack his balls with him the next time he goes out.

    Mary Muir
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP was there helping the girl, and trying to fend off the drunk. Her bf could have joined in her in that effort - two people instead of one is more likely to cause drunk guy to back off. But he didn't stir one inch, and OP went back to the venue to get more assistance. It's not about masculinity, it's about human empathy. So yes, it's likely the end of that relationship because now OP knows she can't rely on her bf to assist when there's trouble. Next time she might be the one needing assistance, and bf will be on his phone studiously ignoring her. Not a good look for anyone any gender.

    Tenay Douglas
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a fem presenting person I think the people saying OP made an unsafe decision are valid HOWEVER the argument that a man weak enough to force himself on a defenseless woman would try and balls up to another dude is BS. Men like that cower when confronted with someone their size. Also when he was confronted by the bar tenders he didn't try to attack he cowered and they were able to make him go away. Not saying it's guaranteed but more times than not when confronted by another man they run off. Also I think what OP did was very brave. It was absolutely DISGUSTING seeing people say that she should have left the girl to fend for herself like if she did and something happened then what ? Also if that was the commenters mother, daughter or niece would they have that same energy ?? And telling the driver means nothing when the dude is continuing to attempt getting into the vehicle . This is why so many r*pists get away with it.

    Laura A Ivett
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP has a hero complex, how does she know he also wasn't waiting for an UBER and for her go approach him and shove him is f****d up..this drunk guy wasn't harassing the lone woman, he wasn't putting his hands.on her, OP just wanted to be the hero, why shoumd the bf go protect her when she was the aggressor? Dhex s cliwnvwho wants validation and attention.

    Guess Undheit
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Typical cisgender heterosexual male behaviour. If he doesn't benefit from it, he doesn't care.

    Lola July
    Community Member
    1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Coward. He wasn't even willing to speak out against this man's behavior. Imagine if the drunk man was harassing her and her boyfriend did absolutely nothing. She would not have been able to go get help! All of you agreeing g with his decision are cowards as well. We all need to be there for one another. He is not a man I would find attractive, certainly not the family protector. He'd probably throw our child at someone attacking us, then run.

    Jason K
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying this has nothing to do with masculinity, but it does and should. It wasn't that long ago when men were expected to be chivalrous and use their biological differences to protect and care. But this is now perceived as demeaning and belittling. If a typical man wants to use his strength to harass, manipulate, or abuse, their strength and ability to dominate over a woman would be held against him (as it should). But the flip side would not be acknowledged as is shown in this situation: comments saying it has nothing to do with his masculinity are saying that his biological characteristics of (likely) being stronger, taller, faster, etc cannot be acknowledged without believing that we are belittling women by acknowledging 'superiority' in some area. That's absolute bs. Woken clearly have advantages in some areas and men in others. Denying this results in a weaker society altogether.

    Angela C
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Say you're archaic and sexist without saying you're archaic and sexist. It's clear you see women as pathetic weaklings who can't take care of themselves. Kindly fúck off with that cràp

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    Cee Cee
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A long time ago I came round the corner and found 4 boys 11-12 years old pounding the head of a much younger kid. Stepping in got attacked myself. No damage done but I was shocked they'd attack a young boy and me a woman. I won't get involved now.

    Darthest Starfish
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not getting stabbed, shot, bludgeoned, or possibly killed for your idiotic need to get involved and cause trouble in a situation that had nothing to do with you. Period. This woman sounds completely unhinged and dangerous. No thanks.

    Tamra
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're a dude, right? Because you sound like someone who doesn't belong to a demographic who's commonly at risk for physical or sexual abuse. Women are. That's why she intervened. Maybe you're the one who's unhinged.

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    Deborah B
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not about masculinity, and the BF didn't need to get involved in an altercation to try to be a hero. The ick here comes from his lack of concern for both the GF and the stranger. It's harder for a man to approach a strange woman and offer help - he risks looking like a predator himself. He also risks escalating the conflict with the drunk guy - it can turn into a fight fast. The problem here is that he was ignoring the situation - he should have been aware of it, so that they acted as a couple to invite the girl to wait with them, or getting the bouncer, or calling the police, or de-excalating He could have maintained a safe distance from the drunk guy, and called out "Wrong uber mate! Do you need me to call you a taxi?" To distract the drunk while the girl got in her uber and left. The problem here is that his attitude was "Not my problem." He didn't consider it his responsibility to be alert, to help a stranger, to de-escalate conflict, or to support his GF. He was no help.

    Orysha
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't like the language she used but I share her feelings. He could have done so many things without being violent himself if he doesn't like it. @ElfWarrior666 "The girl is responsible for her own securirty" you'te neither an elf nor a warrior, you just waste everyone's oxgen ans I really hope you don't have a daughter. When women take security in their own hands they end up in jail most of the time. How could anyone live with knowing someone might be murdererd ou raped and they could have prevented it?

    Nils Skirnir
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Each is better off w/o each other if the story is true. Given the inconsistencies and implausibility of many of the details I have doubts. Eg. went into a bar and got the bartenders all before the ride left (implausible) and the drunk changed from a boy to a man (inconsistent)

    Orange Panda
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can see me in this situation with both my dearly departed husband and my current boyfriend, and they would have handled it similarly. I probably wouldn't have been as aggressive as OP (I've had violent experiences, I don't want to have more), but my guys would have gone in after me with a much more jovial attitude. Dealing with the guy doesn't have to be aggressive.

    whiterabbit
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually a tough situation. You catch certain people at the wrong time they can and will kill you, men shouldn't be expected to risk that in every situation that involves a woman no questions asked. But. If my significant other isn't even remotely concerned about helping me if I'm in a potentially dangerous situation I would lose an essential piece of respect for him.

    Frank Castle
    Community Member
    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She picked him, right? And she did not know that she was dating a creep? Get real.

    François Bouzigues
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people can´t handle violence. OP boyfriend reaction was not adequate ? Perhaps. Against a scary situation, your brain enters fight or flight mode. OP brain was in fight, OP´s BF was in flight, and he was fighting his flight urge to stay with you. Not everyone is physically able to escalate. If you have ever been beaten, it can trigger a trauma response where you just freeze instead of actually doing something when tension builds. Male priviledge is nobody will try to S-A you if you go out. Male priviledge is also having drunkards looking for a fight if you go out. And people die in bar fights every week end. A guy that played vball with me punched a guy, the guy landed on the curb and died on the spot. That is another way to loose a bar fight. You could as well redirect your anger to the professional driver for not taking care of the problem. Good for you for helping the girl out. But doing it by yourself, death was one of the possible outcomes.

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think "male privilege" means that males don't get sexually assaulted and even raped when they "go out", you are sadly mistaken. Men are also the victims of sexual assault and rape. Women are significantly more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted, but in 2023, 105,000 men were raped or sexually assaulted in the US.

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    The_Nicest_Misanthrope
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This has everything to do with empathy, and nothing to do with masculinity

    Gavin Johnson
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Friend of mine saw a lass who was sobbing her heart out in the centre of Manchester, he went to talk to her and see if she needed any help, turns out her boyfriend had slapped her and then walked off, he offered her the chance to join them in a taxi home (there were a mixture of men & women in his group), boyfriend reappears, punches, one punch, knocks my mate out, he cracks his head on the kerb, 2 weeks in a coma with reducing signs of life, life support switched off and he passes away. One punch. Manslaughter charge for the aggressor. I am VERY wary of stepping into any situation I can’t fully control. My masculinity isn’t harmed by me staying safe. Sorry, your safety is important but I won’t risk my life in order to protect yours.

    Kkg
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm very sorry for your friend, it's truly tragic, but there was no situation he stepped into. He did not confront the aggressor, he just wanted to help a crying girl. Is this already considered a dangerous situation?

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    Medway Gal
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some years ago me, my husband and his best mate was waiting at a cab station for a cab, we were approached by 2 drunk men who started to beat up the best mate, after about 10 seconds (which is a really long time to watch a friend getting beat up) I stepped in and started pulling the guys off him, it took about 2 minutes to stop the fight, and the drunks ran off leaving the best mate on the floor with a kicked in head and detached retina. My husband spent the whole time looking at his phone, apparently it all happened so quickly he did not have time to react. Suffice to say we were divorced 6 months later. This was not the reason for the divorce, but it was the straw that broke the camels back.

    BookFanatic
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I, a woman, would not expect a man to come to my aid simply because he is a man. I would, however, expect a fellow human to call the police or go get a bouncer or two. I get that putting oneself in harm's way--especially for a stranger--isn't for everyone.

    RP
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The comments about not escalating are spot on BUT as others rightly pointed out, that does not equate to just ignoring what's going on. You call the cops, you get others to help as well so you have a real deterrent etc. The people saying that everyone should just kind their own business are the reason the world is falling apart.

    Alexandra
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the two of them with the bartender, had handled the drunk person, any threat he formed would have been greatly diminished. It's also not about him being a man; it's about him not helping his gf when he sees she's struggling. Instant dump on my part: you can't be trusted to have my back.

    Tams21
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Soldiers train for months to fight but some freeze when they get into a real battle. Cops also choose to do a job that puts them in the line of fire but some also can't deal with it, a case in point being the Uvalde shooting. When people have tried to help others, people have gotten stabbed in the past and maybe the bf was just plain scared. We all hope we would show courage in a scary situation but the reality is that we don't know until we've experienced one. If the op wants a boyfriend that acts differently in situations like that then fair enough, that's her choice. But to basically write that he's not a man because a reaction he couldn't control is very harsh.

    quentariel
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This would be valid if the situation would have happened fast. But the description made it sound like it lasted several minutes. To stand there minutes staring at your phone while your girlfriend and another girl deal with a possibly aggressive drunk isn't just freezing, it's blatant ignorance. If the bf was scared of confrontation, he could have gone to get a bouncer/waiter from inside the bar or something. Peole don't always act rationally in the face of crisis, but leaving your gf completely alone and probably feeling like her bf couldn't care less about her is just ridiculous.

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    Weltschmerz
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    2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I personally couldn't stand by and watch this myself however I see the boyfriends point of view, and depending on what country this is it could have ended up really badly. Some people like to help some do not, he is no less of a "man" for not doing so. I know if something had happened to that woman and I could have helped I'd have struggled to have that on my conscience.

    KatSaidWhat
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I see his POV but he was ok with his GF getting involved and not even giving any indication of support.

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    UncleJohn3000
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I briefly dated a woman who would pick fights and expect me to finish them. Briefly.

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Im glad you did something, he really should have gotten help or something and i think its mental that he doesn't even feel bad for not doing anything!!!

    Lorrie Rothstein
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think she should have called the cops. The boyfriend is right we don’t know what people do

    FreeTheUnicorn
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well OP had me until the last paragraph. BF doesnt seem to care about strangers, isn't concerned that his GF is struggling with a drunk guy, definitely time re-evaluate. But the be a man attitude and I don't see him as a man, OP is toxic af and no one should date either of them. There is an outside chance that he was thinking getting another male involved in the situation would escalate things, I've worked in bars and it's often much easier to de-escalate a drunk man if you're a woman. But from OPs description, he was just disinterested. Break up.

    Bette
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This situation has everything to do with looking out for a vulnerable person and nothing to do with "(strong masculine) men must come to the rescue of (weaker) women" dynamic!! It is a pity too many times when some altercation is happening, much of society has developed a "blind eye" and self-preservation as a reason not to get involved.

    Kurtz Frausun
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We may not like it, but in today's society, the mere presense of a man stepping in can quickly deescalate a situation when a woman is in danger. Had to do that numerous times...just buy walking over and asking "Do we have a problem?" makes a threat change their tune fast. Don't blame her at all for seeing him in a different light.

    BookFanatic
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sadly, true. I do appreciate men who step up. But I don't expect it. I was getting harassed by a particularly nasty library patron and a regular patron came up and stood next to me. Didn't say a word. Just crossed his arms and stared. Dude was a WWII veteran. Patron immediately backed down and left.

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    Kimberly Bailey
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ladies I've said it before and I'll say it again, please learn to protect yourselves and/or carry a legal weapon of some form. Pepper spray on your keychain is not expensive and lasts up to two years unless used. Even a few rocks in the bottom of your handbag can help you deliver a powerful enough blow to give you time to run away or call out for help.

    Surly Scot
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    1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Dump the BF, date one of the bartenders. Problem sorted. Also for the folks who keep saying "it's too dangerous to get involved" when seeing someone being abused or put into danger - YOU PEOPLE ARE EVERYTHING THATS WRONG WITH THIS WORLD. Just because something is risky doesn't mean we don't TRY, especially when it comes to helping. Would you all watch a man bludgeon a dog to death in front of you and say "oh, i'm not getting involved, that shovel is too dangerous". Cowards. Nothing more than cowards. “The only thing necessary for the triumph of evil is for good men to do nothing.”

    Kimberly Bailey
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the situation you described were to happen in front of me, there would be a man trying to seek medical attention with a shovel stuck in his a**l orifice sideways! I don't even play when it comes to dogs lol :D

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    Papa
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not going to address what the boyfriend should or shouldn't have done, but OP certainly didn't use good judgment. Instead of physically trying to get the drunk guy out of the car why didn't she just tell the girl not to get in (or to get out if she was already in the car)?

    Rdj
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes tell her to get out and let him drive away with the drunk guy.

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    Reta Murphy
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    23 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Hopefully, boyfriend will pack his balls with him the next time he goes out.

    Mary Muir
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP was there helping the girl, and trying to fend off the drunk. Her bf could have joined in her in that effort - two people instead of one is more likely to cause drunk guy to back off. But he didn't stir one inch, and OP went back to the venue to get more assistance. It's not about masculinity, it's about human empathy. So yes, it's likely the end of that relationship because now OP knows she can't rely on her bf to assist when there's trouble. Next time she might be the one needing assistance, and bf will be on his phone studiously ignoring her. Not a good look for anyone any gender.

    Tenay Douglas
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    As a fem presenting person I think the people saying OP made an unsafe decision are valid HOWEVER the argument that a man weak enough to force himself on a defenseless woman would try and balls up to another dude is BS. Men like that cower when confronted with someone their size. Also when he was confronted by the bar tenders he didn't try to attack he cowered and they were able to make him go away. Not saying it's guaranteed but more times than not when confronted by another man they run off. Also I think what OP did was very brave. It was absolutely DISGUSTING seeing people say that she should have left the girl to fend for herself like if she did and something happened then what ? Also if that was the commenters mother, daughter or niece would they have that same energy ?? And telling the driver means nothing when the dude is continuing to attempt getting into the vehicle . This is why so many r*pists get away with it.

    Laura A Ivett
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP has a hero complex, how does she know he also wasn't waiting for an UBER and for her go approach him and shove him is f****d up..this drunk guy wasn't harassing the lone woman, he wasn't putting his hands.on her, OP just wanted to be the hero, why shoumd the bf go protect her when she was the aggressor? Dhex s cliwnvwho wants validation and attention.

    Guess Undheit
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Typical cisgender heterosexual male behaviour. If he doesn't benefit from it, he doesn't care.

    Lola July
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    1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Coward. He wasn't even willing to speak out against this man's behavior. Imagine if the drunk man was harassing her and her boyfriend did absolutely nothing. She would not have been able to go get help! All of you agreeing g with his decision are cowards as well. We all need to be there for one another. He is not a man I would find attractive, certainly not the family protector. He'd probably throw our child at someone attacking us, then run.

    Jason K
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    People saying this has nothing to do with masculinity, but it does and should. It wasn't that long ago when men were expected to be chivalrous and use their biological differences to protect and care. But this is now perceived as demeaning and belittling. If a typical man wants to use his strength to harass, manipulate, or abuse, their strength and ability to dominate over a woman would be held against him (as it should). But the flip side would not be acknowledged as is shown in this situation: comments saying it has nothing to do with his masculinity are saying that his biological characteristics of (likely) being stronger, taller, faster, etc cannot be acknowledged without believing that we are belittling women by acknowledging 'superiority' in some area. That's absolute bs. Woken clearly have advantages in some areas and men in others. Denying this results in a weaker society altogether.

    Angela C
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Say you're archaic and sexist without saying you're archaic and sexist. It's clear you see women as pathetic weaklings who can't take care of themselves. Kindly fúck off with that cràp

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    Cee Cee
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    A long time ago I came round the corner and found 4 boys 11-12 years old pounding the head of a much younger kid. Stepping in got attacked myself. No damage done but I was shocked they'd attack a young boy and me a woman. I won't get involved now.

    Darthest Starfish
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'm not getting stabbed, shot, bludgeoned, or possibly killed for your idiotic need to get involved and cause trouble in a situation that had nothing to do with you. Period. This woman sounds completely unhinged and dangerous. No thanks.

    Tamra
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    You're a dude, right? Because you sound like someone who doesn't belong to a demographic who's commonly at risk for physical or sexual abuse. Women are. That's why she intervened. Maybe you're the one who's unhinged.

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    Deborah B
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's not about masculinity, and the BF didn't need to get involved in an altercation to try to be a hero. The ick here comes from his lack of concern for both the GF and the stranger. It's harder for a man to approach a strange woman and offer help - he risks looking like a predator himself. He also risks escalating the conflict with the drunk guy - it can turn into a fight fast. The problem here is that he was ignoring the situation - he should have been aware of it, so that they acted as a couple to invite the girl to wait with them, or getting the bouncer, or calling the police, or de-excalating He could have maintained a safe distance from the drunk guy, and called out "Wrong uber mate! Do you need me to call you a taxi?" To distract the drunk while the girl got in her uber and left. The problem here is that his attitude was "Not my problem." He didn't consider it his responsibility to be alert, to help a stranger, to de-escalate conflict, or to support his GF. He was no help.

    Orysha
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't like the language she used but I share her feelings. He could have done so many things without being violent himself if he doesn't like it. @ElfWarrior666 "The girl is responsible for her own securirty" you'te neither an elf nor a warrior, you just waste everyone's oxgen ans I really hope you don't have a daughter. When women take security in their own hands they end up in jail most of the time. How could anyone live with knowing someone might be murdererd ou raped and they could have prevented it?

    Nils Skirnir
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Each is better off w/o each other if the story is true. Given the inconsistencies and implausibility of many of the details I have doubts. Eg. went into a bar and got the bartenders all before the ride left (implausible) and the drunk changed from a boy to a man (inconsistent)

    Orange Panda
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can see me in this situation with both my dearly departed husband and my current boyfriend, and they would have handled it similarly. I probably wouldn't have been as aggressive as OP (I've had violent experiences, I don't want to have more), but my guys would have gone in after me with a much more jovial attitude. Dealing with the guy doesn't have to be aggressive.

    whiterabbit
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This is actually a tough situation. You catch certain people at the wrong time they can and will kill you, men shouldn't be expected to risk that in every situation that involves a woman no questions asked. But. If my significant other isn't even remotely concerned about helping me if I'm in a potentially dangerous situation I would lose an essential piece of respect for him.

    Frank Castle
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    1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She picked him, right? And she did not know that she was dating a creep? Get real.

    François Bouzigues
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Some people can´t handle violence. OP boyfriend reaction was not adequate ? Perhaps. Against a scary situation, your brain enters fight or flight mode. OP brain was in fight, OP´s BF was in flight, and he was fighting his flight urge to stay with you. Not everyone is physically able to escalate. If you have ever been beaten, it can trigger a trauma response where you just freeze instead of actually doing something when tension builds. Male priviledge is nobody will try to S-A you if you go out. Male priviledge is also having drunkards looking for a fight if you go out. And people die in bar fights every week end. A guy that played vball with me punched a guy, the guy landed on the curb and died on the spot. That is another way to loose a bar fight. You could as well redirect your anger to the professional driver for not taking care of the problem. Good for you for helping the girl out. But doing it by yourself, death was one of the possible outcomes.

    LakotaWolf (she/her)
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    2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If you think "male privilege" means that males don't get sexually assaulted and even raped when they "go out", you are sadly mistaken. Men are also the victims of sexual assault and rape. Women are significantly more likely to be raped or sexually assaulted, but in 2023, 105,000 men were raped or sexually assaulted in the US.

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