Man Feels Disrespected When His Own Disrespect Is Not Tolerated, Cuts Family Visit Short
Having relatives visit can be stressful. There might be pressure to keep your home spotless, entertain your guests at all hours and try to make the most of every single moment you get with them. By the end of the trip, however, you might be begging your family members to get out.
One mom recently reached out to Reddit to vent about the frustrating experiences she has with her father-in-law every time he visits. Below, you’ll find all of the details, as well as some of the replies invested readers shared.
It’s common for spouses to have trouble with their in-laws
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And this mom has had enough of her father-in-law disrupting the whole household early in the morning
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Later, the mom updated her post and revealed even more infuriating things her father-in-law has done
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The ideal time to wake up varies from person to person
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I’m a morning person, and I personally prefer waking up early almost every day because I like to take advantage of the energy I have first thing in the morning. In my opinion, that’s the best time to work out, go grocery shopping, bake something nice for breakfast and, especially in the summer, enjoy the day before it gets too hot. But even I have my limits, and waking up at 4 a.m. is reserved only for days when I have to be at the airport at 6.
According to World Population Review, the average time that a person wakes up varies from country to country. In the United States, for example, residents usually rise at about 7:20 a.m. In South Africa, however, the typical time to get up is 6:24 a.m. And in Greece, many people don’t get out of bed until 8:25 a.m. Perhaps I need to move to Greece, so I can sleep in more often!
We all know someone who is obsessed with waking up early and swears up and down that it’s better for their mental and physical health, allows them time to meditate and helps them sleep better. But are these claims true? Well, Shelby Harris, PsyD, a clinical psychologist specializing in sleep medicine, told TODAY that the perfect time to wake up depends completely on the individual and their lifestyle.
Getting up early isn’t worth it if it leads to sleep deprivation
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Experts recommend that adults sleep between 7 and 9 hours per night, so the most important factor is that our bed time and the time we wake up in the morning allow us to get enough rest. Those times might also be determined by whether you’re a night owl, a morning lark or anything in between. It’s also wise to stick to a schedule and try to wake up around the same time every day, so your body gets used to your routine.
Dr. Harris shared with TODAY that waking up early in the morning is usually recommended, as it allows you to “align your body’s circadian rhythm with the natural light-dark cycle,” but “early” means something different for everyone. One person might naturally hop out of bed at 5 a.m., while another might need to snooze until 8.
And there’s no point in getting out of bed at the crack of dawn if it means you’re sacrificing sleep. The Cleveland Clinic notes that even missing out on 1.5 hours of sleep a night can decrease a person’s alertness, cause memory problems, create moodiness or irritability and cause an inability or unwillingness to participate in every day activities.
And in the long term, sleep deprivation can cause fatigue, poor balance and coordination, mood changes and mental health issues, forgetfulness, changes in your appearance, weight gain, higher stress and even a weakened immune system. It’s also important to be well rested to lower your risk of getting into a car accident.
It’s important for couples to stand together when dealing with difficult in-laws
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When it comes to the issue of dealing with difficult in-laws, this mother certainly isn’t the first to have frustrations with her father-in-law. In fact, the BBC reports that a whopping 75% of couples admit they’ve had trouble with an in-law. So how can spouses find a way to maintain their own healthy relationship without letting their parents interfere?
Brides.com recommends that couples maintain a united front while dealing with parents. Discuss issues privately and decide on how they will be addressed with parents ahead of time. It’s also wise to address problems as they come up, rather than sweeping them under the rug until a more convenient time appears. Speak directly about the issue with your parents or in-laws, and try to keep the conversation cool, calm and collected. Don’t be afraid to set boundaries and enforce them.
But remember to be empathetic towards your in-laws as well. As frustrating as they may be, it’s helpful to try to understand where they’re coming from. We would love to hear your thoughts on this situation down below, pandas. Then, if you’re interested in checking out another Bored Panda piece discussing in-law drama, we recommend this article next!
Readers called out the father-in-law’s behavior and noted that they wouldn’t have any patience for him either
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not a boomer thing this is flat out abuse. check the signs, picked a young nieve girl, trained her into her needs are irrelevant, his needs are only priority, made her financially dependent on him for control, isolates her from friends and family. god do something this woman has never had a life.
Exactly. That woman needs help to get away from him. Good grief, that was so heartbreaking to read!
Load More Replies...Boomers, GenWhatever.... I am so tired of reading these. If someone is an a*shole, he or she is one, no matter when he or she was born. Everytime when someone uses these generation description, it is meant to be an offence.
I attempted to peruse the narrative without the use of the word "boomer," however, no significant changes were observed.
Boomer is like Karen to many, neither boomers (i.e., anyone born 46-64) nor people named Karen are necessarily bad. This is used for the stereotypical unsociable ones. I agree the story is exactly the same with boomer remove. Full disclosure: I was born between 46 and 64.
Load More Replies...His poor wife has been a used all her life by him. I hope he gets gangrene on his big toe and it rots off.
I understand the sentiment but all that would do is make his poor wife have more work to do. Poor lady!
Load More Replies...The FIL is clearly a total and utter a**e, but that has nothing to do with his age. He was an a**e all his life. One thing I've found is that anyone who uses the word "Boomer", especially as an insult, is very likely an a**e too (and most definitely ageist)
Every generation has its a******s, believe me. Every generation also has its nice members. I went back to college as an older student (got my Masters), and I saw numerous a******s who were barely in their twenties or thirties. Gen Z, Millennials, and whatever the next bunch is called. I also saw plenty of nice people in those age groups too. BTW, I’m a late Boomer (1960) and closer to Gen X, and got along just fine with the younger people in my classes—-the nice ones, that is, not the a******s. I also remember overhearing a lot of them refer to me as a friend, which was a lovely thing for them to say about the old lady in their graduating class.
Load More Replies...Actually, OP can check the noise ordinance for her neighborhood, and call the police on FIL when he starts up the mower at 5am. Do it every damned time, and maybe even get him arrested for it. He might learn, he might not. But spend his time in jail doing an intervention for MIL, and tell her she isn’t FIL’s slave, she’s his wife, and would be entitled to HALF of all they have in a divorce—-and that she can come and live with them, and they’ll help her with the restraining order. She can then actually life her own life for the first time since she was 16 and being groomed by that miserable m**********r.
However the continued mention of the word 'boomer' implies that this indicative of alleged boomer behaviour. It isn't. The FIL had clearly felt entitled all his life. A bit like my Dad and he wasn't a boomer either.
tapping on a glass to get your wife a refill becase she is his servant is so wild.... that is so 1950s... (also a plot of one great show "Why Women Kill", i recomend!) :)
He visits just twice a year? Even once a decade would be too much! I don’t have much hope for OPs husband either if he thinks this is normal.
If he never visited, it would be too much for me, because he if he pulled this kind of b******t in my house, he would be leaving it feet first! “Gee, I don’t know officer. We were all outside with the kids when it happened. But you know, he’s really old and unsteady on his feet. He must’ve dropped that cast iron skillet and fallen down when he bent over to pick it up, then banged his head on it real hard. See the blood on it?”
Load More Replies...It bothers me so much when abuse victims are told to grow a spine/are called spineless. They are victims of severe, longstanding abuse. Calling them weak will just make them even weaker and convince them that they truly are incapable of taking care of themselves.
I was just thinking this. She's spent decades being subservient to that man. It's not easy to just up and change the life you've lived for that long. She doesn't even have a high school education or know how to drive a car. For all intents and purposes, she's trapped at this point, so the only reasonable thing she knows how to do is to keep going with the life she knows. About the only way to get her out of this situation is by force, but that might even be too traumatic for her.
Load More Replies...The MIL is in and has likely been all her married life, an abusive relationship. Tapping the glass for water? Setting aside that in ANY setting that would be rude beyond words, in a marriage, it is abuse. I'm a boomer, I get up at 5:00....when I visit my kids' homes, I'm quiet as I am at home. I would no more disturb their sleep (or that of my grandkids) than my own wife's. But then, I was raised to be respectful of the needs of others.
Dad being a boomer has nothing to do with the fact that he's an entitled, narcissistic a*****e with main-character syndrome and your poor MIL deserves so much better.
My mom used to say: There are always two kinds of people, those who do these things and those who let them happen. If you just go along with this rude and inconsiderate behavior, of course people like him feel validated. Not my thing, but everyone gets to choose for themselves.
Not if you are groomed as a teenager in an abusive relationship. Leaving a situation like that is easy if you are looking in, and having people show no compassion and blame the victim does not help anyone except the perpetrator.
Load More Replies...If I fired up a lawnmower at 5 AM my neighbours would be on me faster than flies on a freshly deposited turd telling me in no uncertain terms that it's anti-social to cause noise before 9 AM on weekdays and about 10 AM during weekends. If I persist, I will get a visit from the neighbourhood mediator who will tell me there are complaints about me and could I please stop being a bad neighbour and if I still persist the police will turn up and take my lawnmower away. Moral of the story: FIL is an anti-social, misogynistic piece of abusive human being and it's a pity OP's husband can't seem to grow a spine.
What is tragic is the son, DIL and apparently everyone else has been quietly watching this AH ABUSE his wife for their entire relationship AND you OP stay quiet??? Because YOU don't want to upset your partner? Great! Way to demonstrate to your kid's how an abusive relationship works. Just because he is not striking her physically in front of anyone does not mean it is not extreme abuse. Everything you have written has told us the opposite. Oh, would you do something else if he did strike her? Yea, you tell yourself that now. But you won't. It might upset partner. Who was also raised by this abuser. You have much more issues than an AH FIL. You could help this woman. Start by calling out this AH to his face in front of everyone the next time he is there. In front of your children's father. Let everyone know that you know what and who he is. Let the MIL Know that you will help her when she is ready. Help her find counseling, a divorce attorney and safety No one acts like that out of love
The son is a victim too. He was literally raised to think this is normal so the fact that he is only coping by not rocking the boat and keeping the peace instead of being an abusive jerk himself is a feat. She's certainly not teaching him to set healthy boundaries. They are both in trauma response mode and need help to learn the skills to set healthy boundaries.
Load More Replies...My father was a boomer and he was awake around 5 even on vacation. He happend to sleep to 9 once or twice in his life and called it a very long sleep in ! I sleep late at night so I wake up late in the morning. And all I can remember when we were together was the smell of fresh coffee and hot chocolate and grilled bread around the time I used to wake up. One morning, I even heard him around 8, my cat went to see him and she talked a lot. He whispered a "shh your mama's sleeping" and my cat answered whispering too. It was so cute !
I'd handle him the same way I handle it when my cat wakes me up at 4 a.m. Put him outside, lock the door, and go back to bed.
I'm so tired of BP choice on reddit articles. There are so many interesting and heart-warming stories on Reddit. Why are you choosing only infuriating ones?
Clicks and views. Also people complain about those too
Load More Replies...He's "bored alone", meaning he doesn't enjoy his own company. Wonder why.
Sounds like MIL needs a strong, independent granddaughter to corrupt her. I corrupted one of my grannies so much! When I came along, I would contradict her self-depricating, sexist viewpoints. I encouraged her to try new things, join hobby clubs, book clubs, and play the piano again. I eventually got her to stop thinking that women only existed to serve men. When my grandpa got mad about it, I flipped it on him; made him feel weak for his over-controlling nature. One day he told her she couldn't take the car to a piano recital that he didn't want to attend (no real reason, just being controlling), and she was like, "Whatcha gonna do? Call the cops? Divorce me? Good luck with that. We live in a common property law state; it's MY car too!" (I taught her that). Eventually, my grandpa gave up being an a-hole. I guess he figured there was no winning against the two of us.
This isn't a Boomer issue. This is an entitled prick no matter his generation issue. The best advice I can give would be to offer the MIL a way out. Invite her to come live with you when he isn't around and give her a bus or a plane ticket. If your partner blames you and takes their father's side instead of calling him out and laying down the law, you may want to rethink your marital status. Your partner may be trying to slowly train you to be submissive and obedient like their mother. And the next time your FIL taps that glass, you tell him to get off his backside and get his own refill, as his wife is not his slave or his servant.
The whole Boomer thing has outlived it's time already. He's just an arsehole.
Millenials are lazy starter earlier, when are we going to retire that?
Load More Replies...I seriously hope that he dies before his wife. So she’ll have some time to discover herself.
I would lose my shìt dealing with him ur so patient. Poor wife and poor kids :(
Old man would find himself outside at 4:00 a.m. if he starts acting like that at my house
Fireworks will be had, all day everyday that FIL is visiting, because I won't put up with all his shite.
Maybe put sparklers in his pocket while he's napping!
Load More Replies...I had a wry laugh at the OPs remark about letting him go home alone,saying he can't use a microwave and would starve. That is one thing he will never do. You'd be surprised how much men like that can actually do when it comes to food. My FIL did absolutely nothing in their house. They had 2 sons, but my MIL wasn't allowed to get any help from them as, quote, we didn't have children to be our servants. (Pretty sure that would have been a different story if they'd had a daughter). He never so much as made a cup of tea. Then she died. And suddenly there he was making sandwiches and cooking dinners like he'd done it all his life. Trust me, OPs FIL will never sit there and starve to death.
This is an old man urination thing. His being a boomer is irrelevant. After his third wake up because of his bladder, his mind is now awake. If he gets bored, this is when he needs to read his book, magazine or paper. As for food/drink, that's being an a** and he can wait.if he can't get it himself quietly. 9am naps? Those are awesome. Wish I could have one now and then.
I wouldn't be surprised if their MIL ends up throwing a party when he croaks. I've heard so many stories of marriages like this where the wife was so happy when the husband dies. I want to know the age difference between them too
1. Have husband speak in private with his mom. Ask her what she wants eg time with grandkids or even a safe place to live. I’m reading something very close to domestic abuse.. 2. Tell DIL that boundaries are going to be in place. If he doesn’t comply, he’s not welcome. 3. Arrange for MIL to visit grandkids by herself, pick her up if needed. Or possibly to stay with or near the son and his family permanently. DIL better start learning how to use the microwave.
OP doesn't say anything negative about her spouse other than that he gets mad if she makes FIL mad, so somehow, miraculously, he must not have gotten the chauvinist dirtbag gene. I don't know why he has a blind spot about his dad--I sure never had one about mine
It seems the commenters didn't get how hard it is to control this FIL. No one can do it apparently. Pronouncing ultimatums will just make him leave and they don't even have to big ones. OP needs some better, sneakier solutions or maybe she and her husband can visit stay a hotel and let the grandmother see the kids as much as she wants. It might disrupt their routine less.
I only met my paternal grandfather one. He visited when I was 4. My mom was in the kitchen in the 2nd morning. I don't know what time it was, but my 2 little sisters were still asleep. He walks into the kitchen from outside. My mom said she thought he was still in bed. He said no, he had to walk to a diner to get a coffee, because she wasn't up doing her job. My dad walked in at that moment and told him not to talk to my mom that way. My grandfather said, as head of the house, he expected his coffee when he woke up. My dad wad usually an easy going guy. He told him This was HIS household and he was not the head, and he could make his own damn coffee. My grandfather left and passed not too long after. From what I learn as and adult, he was a mean guy.
Wtf does him being a boomer have to do with anything. He's an AH. No need for you to be one too. The two of them need to get his mother tf out of that situation. They're literally sitting by watching him domestically abuse her day in and day out and doing nothing about it. Who gaf if he can't fend for himself.
My bestie doesn't let her partner ever sleep in past 9, even when there's no plans for the day. My Mum tells my Dad when to go to bed and calls it "rebelling" when he doesn't right away. It's a control thing, not a generational thing.
As soon as I see 'boomer' i scrolled to leave this note and buhbye. Sick of these labels.
I m basically cracking up at the frying pan bit and "see u when we get back" movie stint lollll. That was awesome and i bet MIL looooves you soooo much because u respect her to death. This women is a prisonnier of a narcissistic f**k. Forget boomers. He's just plain sick in his head. The sad part, as there are so many out there, is that the partner often leaves unexpectedly and they then finally realize how good they were to them. Too little too late. I hope she gets out and moves near u guys to enjoy the remaining time she's got with real family love
Before my papa passed back in 99, he was the one who always got up at 4am BUT he always went to bed no later than 7pm.(He wasn't a boomer, he was born in the silent generation 1910s). He has never woke anyone up that early(well not on purpose). He would get up go make his coffee from the percolator and go sit in his chair in the living room and drink his coffee while smoking his morning cig. (Sometimes that did woke me up smelling his cig smoking back when my parents and I would spend the night when I was a kid or he would end up coughing up a lung lol). Usually after he had his morning coffee and smoke then he would proceed to get dressed and shave and then if he got bored he would go outside with his dog until the newspaper came. He never took naps not until he gotten up in his late 80s right before he passed. My granny never got up when he did, he always let her sleep until around 6am(she worked as a cafeteria lady for a school)..
I worry their parenter is so used to daddys behavior they see it as fine...hopefully they dodnt pick up those habit themselves
my dad was the opposite. when they were first married my mom got up to make his breakfast and my dad told she didn't need as he enjoyed his alone time before work. occasionally he would leave the toast in too long so we got used to a morning smoke arm
If they can't afford a hotel for 2 visits a year then it needs to be one visit a year. Also, people's lack of self awareness (getting up at 4 and then napping is fine but sleeping in is not fine) is tiring. It's common for older people to not be able to sleep but the disrespect is unforgivable.
Oh dear. I get up at 4am but only because I live in Phoenix so that's the only time I can walk the dogs without dying of a heat stroke or burning their paws on the pavement. I am very careful though and do not wake up the rest of the house. That would just be rude.
WHY was the rpick even invited in the first place? If I knew, there would only be an invite for the MIL, give HER a holiday, make the abusive rpick suffer a week or two alone.
If they live in the city or a suburb, running a lawnmower or snowblower at 5AM violates noise ordinances. If they get fined, they should *TELL* FIL that he's going to pay it.
His wife would be so much happier when he dies and it cannot be too soon. Mowing the lawn so early is a war declaration and neighbours ((if there are any) should have called the cops). This old man is a POS and her partner is too for allowing that kind of behaviour. I would make so much noise when he's trying to nap he would never come back.
My in laws were like this. They both passed the last few years. Her first an him a year later. They were both in 90s. But married when he was 18 and she 16 I think. So their whole lives together. They had 4 kids. Girl an three boys. I married the youngest. She loved me as I spoke honestly an we bonded. So she would get up at 4 an make coffee and dinner prep for the evening. Then when he was up finish cooking his dinner. Then they would do stuff around house. Mostly her taking care. F whatever he wanted. Then they would go run errands. She could drive up to a certain point or he would. Then back home and she would make a lunch for them then finish dinner touches. She would tell me stories when I was there how he would (at one of their older homes) (but still saw it happen) watch tv and if he wanted something call her in an ask her for it. Hey do you know xxx? Oh can you get me some water? Or whatever. Or to change the tv channel. She did dote on him. But he expected it too.
Sleeping until 9am after working late in the evening is perfectly acceptable. There are too many societal expectations and personal well-being is more important.
Just wondering ... Don't the USA have the noise curfew? UK: between 11pm and 7am. Not absolute silence, but not enough to disturb your neighbours. And 4am?? I recall Margaret Thatcher bragging about how little sleep she needed (5 hours), and she succumbed to Alzheimer's disease. Not saying it's a 100% cert, but it is noted by medical bodies. May be a bit behind the times (just getting used to all the abbreviations, lol), but what era is a Boomer? I'm in my 60s, and wondering if is my era or my elder daughters (born '89)? Also? Stereotyping will NEVER NOT be a thing. Reminds me of something I heard once said, many years ago: 'If a (man from whatever Country/Continent) rapes a woman, does it make ALL (men from whatever Country) rapists?' Admittedly, I hear a lot of derogatory talk, re: Boomers - & also Millenials/Genx/z 🙃 but they make it seem like Boomers are the most horrible peeps out of the lot of them.
Us does have it. Called noise ordnance. It's from 10-7.
Load More Replies...This woman is reading way too much into this. Old people wake up absurdly early. They just do. And this man is used to having run of his own house, where it is not a big deal to get up and do stuff when he feels like and not have to worry about noise. The noise is likely equal parts oblivion from not having to worry about it for decades and him being old and not hearing as well. Asking that he keep it down and not wake people up before a certain time is reasonable, but telling him he's not allowed out of his room until a certain time is ridiculous, and I understand why he would leave. None of us would react well to being told "you need to stay in your room and not come out until I say"
Proverbs 18:22 states when a man find a wife, he finds a good thing and favor with the Lord. Genesis 2:24 states that a man leaves his parents and holds fast to his wife and they become one flesh. So if this man can't understand the biblical principles about a household that he is visiting that it's best that he and his wife stay in a hotel. It is the responsibility of the male head of the house to convey that principle. So if it is the son he may have to grow a pair and confront his father.
not a boomer thing this is flat out abuse. check the signs, picked a young nieve girl, trained her into her needs are irrelevant, his needs are only priority, made her financially dependent on him for control, isolates her from friends and family. god do something this woman has never had a life.
Exactly. That woman needs help to get away from him. Good grief, that was so heartbreaking to read!
Load More Replies...Boomers, GenWhatever.... I am so tired of reading these. If someone is an a*shole, he or she is one, no matter when he or she was born. Everytime when someone uses these generation description, it is meant to be an offence.
I attempted to peruse the narrative without the use of the word "boomer," however, no significant changes were observed.
Boomer is like Karen to many, neither boomers (i.e., anyone born 46-64) nor people named Karen are necessarily bad. This is used for the stereotypical unsociable ones. I agree the story is exactly the same with boomer remove. Full disclosure: I was born between 46 and 64.
Load More Replies...His poor wife has been a used all her life by him. I hope he gets gangrene on his big toe and it rots off.
I understand the sentiment but all that would do is make his poor wife have more work to do. Poor lady!
Load More Replies...The FIL is clearly a total and utter a**e, but that has nothing to do with his age. He was an a**e all his life. One thing I've found is that anyone who uses the word "Boomer", especially as an insult, is very likely an a**e too (and most definitely ageist)
Every generation has its a******s, believe me. Every generation also has its nice members. I went back to college as an older student (got my Masters), and I saw numerous a******s who were barely in their twenties or thirties. Gen Z, Millennials, and whatever the next bunch is called. I also saw plenty of nice people in those age groups too. BTW, I’m a late Boomer (1960) and closer to Gen X, and got along just fine with the younger people in my classes—-the nice ones, that is, not the a******s. I also remember overhearing a lot of them refer to me as a friend, which was a lovely thing for them to say about the old lady in their graduating class.
Load More Replies...Actually, OP can check the noise ordinance for her neighborhood, and call the police on FIL when he starts up the mower at 5am. Do it every damned time, and maybe even get him arrested for it. He might learn, he might not. But spend his time in jail doing an intervention for MIL, and tell her she isn’t FIL’s slave, she’s his wife, and would be entitled to HALF of all they have in a divorce—-and that she can come and live with them, and they’ll help her with the restraining order. She can then actually life her own life for the first time since she was 16 and being groomed by that miserable m**********r.
However the continued mention of the word 'boomer' implies that this indicative of alleged boomer behaviour. It isn't. The FIL had clearly felt entitled all his life. A bit like my Dad and he wasn't a boomer either.
tapping on a glass to get your wife a refill becase she is his servant is so wild.... that is so 1950s... (also a plot of one great show "Why Women Kill", i recomend!) :)
He visits just twice a year? Even once a decade would be too much! I don’t have much hope for OPs husband either if he thinks this is normal.
If he never visited, it would be too much for me, because he if he pulled this kind of b******t in my house, he would be leaving it feet first! “Gee, I don’t know officer. We were all outside with the kids when it happened. But you know, he’s really old and unsteady on his feet. He must’ve dropped that cast iron skillet and fallen down when he bent over to pick it up, then banged his head on it real hard. See the blood on it?”
Load More Replies...It bothers me so much when abuse victims are told to grow a spine/are called spineless. They are victims of severe, longstanding abuse. Calling them weak will just make them even weaker and convince them that they truly are incapable of taking care of themselves.
I was just thinking this. She's spent decades being subservient to that man. It's not easy to just up and change the life you've lived for that long. She doesn't even have a high school education or know how to drive a car. For all intents and purposes, she's trapped at this point, so the only reasonable thing she knows how to do is to keep going with the life she knows. About the only way to get her out of this situation is by force, but that might even be too traumatic for her.
Load More Replies...The MIL is in and has likely been all her married life, an abusive relationship. Tapping the glass for water? Setting aside that in ANY setting that would be rude beyond words, in a marriage, it is abuse. I'm a boomer, I get up at 5:00....when I visit my kids' homes, I'm quiet as I am at home. I would no more disturb their sleep (or that of my grandkids) than my own wife's. But then, I was raised to be respectful of the needs of others.
Dad being a boomer has nothing to do with the fact that he's an entitled, narcissistic a*****e with main-character syndrome and your poor MIL deserves so much better.
My mom used to say: There are always two kinds of people, those who do these things and those who let them happen. If you just go along with this rude and inconsiderate behavior, of course people like him feel validated. Not my thing, but everyone gets to choose for themselves.
Not if you are groomed as a teenager in an abusive relationship. Leaving a situation like that is easy if you are looking in, and having people show no compassion and blame the victim does not help anyone except the perpetrator.
Load More Replies...If I fired up a lawnmower at 5 AM my neighbours would be on me faster than flies on a freshly deposited turd telling me in no uncertain terms that it's anti-social to cause noise before 9 AM on weekdays and about 10 AM during weekends. If I persist, I will get a visit from the neighbourhood mediator who will tell me there are complaints about me and could I please stop being a bad neighbour and if I still persist the police will turn up and take my lawnmower away. Moral of the story: FIL is an anti-social, misogynistic piece of abusive human being and it's a pity OP's husband can't seem to grow a spine.
What is tragic is the son, DIL and apparently everyone else has been quietly watching this AH ABUSE his wife for their entire relationship AND you OP stay quiet??? Because YOU don't want to upset your partner? Great! Way to demonstrate to your kid's how an abusive relationship works. Just because he is not striking her physically in front of anyone does not mean it is not extreme abuse. Everything you have written has told us the opposite. Oh, would you do something else if he did strike her? Yea, you tell yourself that now. But you won't. It might upset partner. Who was also raised by this abuser. You have much more issues than an AH FIL. You could help this woman. Start by calling out this AH to his face in front of everyone the next time he is there. In front of your children's father. Let everyone know that you know what and who he is. Let the MIL Know that you will help her when she is ready. Help her find counseling, a divorce attorney and safety No one acts like that out of love
The son is a victim too. He was literally raised to think this is normal so the fact that he is only coping by not rocking the boat and keeping the peace instead of being an abusive jerk himself is a feat. She's certainly not teaching him to set healthy boundaries. They are both in trauma response mode and need help to learn the skills to set healthy boundaries.
Load More Replies...My father was a boomer and he was awake around 5 even on vacation. He happend to sleep to 9 once or twice in his life and called it a very long sleep in ! I sleep late at night so I wake up late in the morning. And all I can remember when we were together was the smell of fresh coffee and hot chocolate and grilled bread around the time I used to wake up. One morning, I even heard him around 8, my cat went to see him and she talked a lot. He whispered a "shh your mama's sleeping" and my cat answered whispering too. It was so cute !
I'd handle him the same way I handle it when my cat wakes me up at 4 a.m. Put him outside, lock the door, and go back to bed.
I'm so tired of BP choice on reddit articles. There are so many interesting and heart-warming stories on Reddit. Why are you choosing only infuriating ones?
Clicks and views. Also people complain about those too
Load More Replies...He's "bored alone", meaning he doesn't enjoy his own company. Wonder why.
Sounds like MIL needs a strong, independent granddaughter to corrupt her. I corrupted one of my grannies so much! When I came along, I would contradict her self-depricating, sexist viewpoints. I encouraged her to try new things, join hobby clubs, book clubs, and play the piano again. I eventually got her to stop thinking that women only existed to serve men. When my grandpa got mad about it, I flipped it on him; made him feel weak for his over-controlling nature. One day he told her she couldn't take the car to a piano recital that he didn't want to attend (no real reason, just being controlling), and she was like, "Whatcha gonna do? Call the cops? Divorce me? Good luck with that. We live in a common property law state; it's MY car too!" (I taught her that). Eventually, my grandpa gave up being an a-hole. I guess he figured there was no winning against the two of us.
This isn't a Boomer issue. This is an entitled prick no matter his generation issue. The best advice I can give would be to offer the MIL a way out. Invite her to come live with you when he isn't around and give her a bus or a plane ticket. If your partner blames you and takes their father's side instead of calling him out and laying down the law, you may want to rethink your marital status. Your partner may be trying to slowly train you to be submissive and obedient like their mother. And the next time your FIL taps that glass, you tell him to get off his backside and get his own refill, as his wife is not his slave or his servant.
The whole Boomer thing has outlived it's time already. He's just an arsehole.
Millenials are lazy starter earlier, when are we going to retire that?
Load More Replies...I seriously hope that he dies before his wife. So she’ll have some time to discover herself.
I would lose my shìt dealing with him ur so patient. Poor wife and poor kids :(
Old man would find himself outside at 4:00 a.m. if he starts acting like that at my house
Fireworks will be had, all day everyday that FIL is visiting, because I won't put up with all his shite.
Maybe put sparklers in his pocket while he's napping!
Load More Replies...I had a wry laugh at the OPs remark about letting him go home alone,saying he can't use a microwave and would starve. That is one thing he will never do. You'd be surprised how much men like that can actually do when it comes to food. My FIL did absolutely nothing in their house. They had 2 sons, but my MIL wasn't allowed to get any help from them as, quote, we didn't have children to be our servants. (Pretty sure that would have been a different story if they'd had a daughter). He never so much as made a cup of tea. Then she died. And suddenly there he was making sandwiches and cooking dinners like he'd done it all his life. Trust me, OPs FIL will never sit there and starve to death.
This is an old man urination thing. His being a boomer is irrelevant. After his third wake up because of his bladder, his mind is now awake. If he gets bored, this is when he needs to read his book, magazine or paper. As for food/drink, that's being an a** and he can wait.if he can't get it himself quietly. 9am naps? Those are awesome. Wish I could have one now and then.
I wouldn't be surprised if their MIL ends up throwing a party when he croaks. I've heard so many stories of marriages like this where the wife was so happy when the husband dies. I want to know the age difference between them too
1. Have husband speak in private with his mom. Ask her what she wants eg time with grandkids or even a safe place to live. I’m reading something very close to domestic abuse.. 2. Tell DIL that boundaries are going to be in place. If he doesn’t comply, he’s not welcome. 3. Arrange for MIL to visit grandkids by herself, pick her up if needed. Or possibly to stay with or near the son and his family permanently. DIL better start learning how to use the microwave.
OP doesn't say anything negative about her spouse other than that he gets mad if she makes FIL mad, so somehow, miraculously, he must not have gotten the chauvinist dirtbag gene. I don't know why he has a blind spot about his dad--I sure never had one about mine
It seems the commenters didn't get how hard it is to control this FIL. No one can do it apparently. Pronouncing ultimatums will just make him leave and they don't even have to big ones. OP needs some better, sneakier solutions or maybe she and her husband can visit stay a hotel and let the grandmother see the kids as much as she wants. It might disrupt their routine less.
I only met my paternal grandfather one. He visited when I was 4. My mom was in the kitchen in the 2nd morning. I don't know what time it was, but my 2 little sisters were still asleep. He walks into the kitchen from outside. My mom said she thought he was still in bed. He said no, he had to walk to a diner to get a coffee, because she wasn't up doing her job. My dad walked in at that moment and told him not to talk to my mom that way. My grandfather said, as head of the house, he expected his coffee when he woke up. My dad wad usually an easy going guy. He told him This was HIS household and he was not the head, and he could make his own damn coffee. My grandfather left and passed not too long after. From what I learn as and adult, he was a mean guy.
Wtf does him being a boomer have to do with anything. He's an AH. No need for you to be one too. The two of them need to get his mother tf out of that situation. They're literally sitting by watching him domestically abuse her day in and day out and doing nothing about it. Who gaf if he can't fend for himself.
My bestie doesn't let her partner ever sleep in past 9, even when there's no plans for the day. My Mum tells my Dad when to go to bed and calls it "rebelling" when he doesn't right away. It's a control thing, not a generational thing.
As soon as I see 'boomer' i scrolled to leave this note and buhbye. Sick of these labels.
I m basically cracking up at the frying pan bit and "see u when we get back" movie stint lollll. That was awesome and i bet MIL looooves you soooo much because u respect her to death. This women is a prisonnier of a narcissistic f**k. Forget boomers. He's just plain sick in his head. The sad part, as there are so many out there, is that the partner often leaves unexpectedly and they then finally realize how good they were to them. Too little too late. I hope she gets out and moves near u guys to enjoy the remaining time she's got with real family love
Before my papa passed back in 99, he was the one who always got up at 4am BUT he always went to bed no later than 7pm.(He wasn't a boomer, he was born in the silent generation 1910s). He has never woke anyone up that early(well not on purpose). He would get up go make his coffee from the percolator and go sit in his chair in the living room and drink his coffee while smoking his morning cig. (Sometimes that did woke me up smelling his cig smoking back when my parents and I would spend the night when I was a kid or he would end up coughing up a lung lol). Usually after he had his morning coffee and smoke then he would proceed to get dressed and shave and then if he got bored he would go outside with his dog until the newspaper came. He never took naps not until he gotten up in his late 80s right before he passed. My granny never got up when he did, he always let her sleep until around 6am(she worked as a cafeteria lady for a school)..
I worry their parenter is so used to daddys behavior they see it as fine...hopefully they dodnt pick up those habit themselves
my dad was the opposite. when they were first married my mom got up to make his breakfast and my dad told she didn't need as he enjoyed his alone time before work. occasionally he would leave the toast in too long so we got used to a morning smoke arm
If they can't afford a hotel for 2 visits a year then it needs to be one visit a year. Also, people's lack of self awareness (getting up at 4 and then napping is fine but sleeping in is not fine) is tiring. It's common for older people to not be able to sleep but the disrespect is unforgivable.
Oh dear. I get up at 4am but only because I live in Phoenix so that's the only time I can walk the dogs without dying of a heat stroke or burning their paws on the pavement. I am very careful though and do not wake up the rest of the house. That would just be rude.
WHY was the rpick even invited in the first place? If I knew, there would only be an invite for the MIL, give HER a holiday, make the abusive rpick suffer a week or two alone.
If they live in the city or a suburb, running a lawnmower or snowblower at 5AM violates noise ordinances. If they get fined, they should *TELL* FIL that he's going to pay it.
His wife would be so much happier when he dies and it cannot be too soon. Mowing the lawn so early is a war declaration and neighbours ((if there are any) should have called the cops). This old man is a POS and her partner is too for allowing that kind of behaviour. I would make so much noise when he's trying to nap he would never come back.
My in laws were like this. They both passed the last few years. Her first an him a year later. They were both in 90s. But married when he was 18 and she 16 I think. So their whole lives together. They had 4 kids. Girl an three boys. I married the youngest. She loved me as I spoke honestly an we bonded. So she would get up at 4 an make coffee and dinner prep for the evening. Then when he was up finish cooking his dinner. Then they would do stuff around house. Mostly her taking care. F whatever he wanted. Then they would go run errands. She could drive up to a certain point or he would. Then back home and she would make a lunch for them then finish dinner touches. She would tell me stories when I was there how he would (at one of their older homes) (but still saw it happen) watch tv and if he wanted something call her in an ask her for it. Hey do you know xxx? Oh can you get me some water? Or whatever. Or to change the tv channel. She did dote on him. But he expected it too.
Sleeping until 9am after working late in the evening is perfectly acceptable. There are too many societal expectations and personal well-being is more important.
Just wondering ... Don't the USA have the noise curfew? UK: between 11pm and 7am. Not absolute silence, but not enough to disturb your neighbours. And 4am?? I recall Margaret Thatcher bragging about how little sleep she needed (5 hours), and she succumbed to Alzheimer's disease. Not saying it's a 100% cert, but it is noted by medical bodies. May be a bit behind the times (just getting used to all the abbreviations, lol), but what era is a Boomer? I'm in my 60s, and wondering if is my era or my elder daughters (born '89)? Also? Stereotyping will NEVER NOT be a thing. Reminds me of something I heard once said, many years ago: 'If a (man from whatever Country/Continent) rapes a woman, does it make ALL (men from whatever Country) rapists?' Admittedly, I hear a lot of derogatory talk, re: Boomers - & also Millenials/Genx/z 🙃 but they make it seem like Boomers are the most horrible peeps out of the lot of them.
Us does have it. Called noise ordnance. It's from 10-7.
Load More Replies...This woman is reading way too much into this. Old people wake up absurdly early. They just do. And this man is used to having run of his own house, where it is not a big deal to get up and do stuff when he feels like and not have to worry about noise. The noise is likely equal parts oblivion from not having to worry about it for decades and him being old and not hearing as well. Asking that he keep it down and not wake people up before a certain time is reasonable, but telling him he's not allowed out of his room until a certain time is ridiculous, and I understand why he would leave. None of us would react well to being told "you need to stay in your room and not come out until I say"
Proverbs 18:22 states when a man find a wife, he finds a good thing and favor with the Lord. Genesis 2:24 states that a man leaves his parents and holds fast to his wife and they become one flesh. So if this man can't understand the biblical principles about a household that he is visiting that it's best that he and his wife stay in a hotel. It is the responsibility of the male head of the house to convey that principle. So if it is the son he may have to grow a pair and confront his father.
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