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Dieter Rams, the godfather of industrial design, defined ‘good design’ as making the product useful, understandable, innovative, aesthetic, unobtrusive, honest, and long-lasting. But that’s not even close to being all! It also has to be thorough to the last detail, environmentally friendly, and involve as little design as possible. Over time, these ten principles have become the blueprint for design, inspiring many creators worldwide. 

However, not all stick to such guidelines, producing many various design failures, which this successful subreddit takes pride in collecting. We, at Bored Panda, have published quite a few articles reviewing them, and today we are treating you to a list of some of the best, or perhaps worst ones, that make people scratch their heads from confusion. To find them, all you have to do is scroll down.

While you're at it, don't forget to check out a conversation with lead industrial designer Elodie Delassus, who told us what good design means to her.

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"Good design to me is both people- and planet-centric," said lead industrial designer Elodie Delassus to Bored Panda. "As designers, we understand the user needs, their aspirations, the context, and the use requirements to bring to life a meaningful product that people will love having in their lives."

She adds that it's not only about the people but also the planet, as designers' responsibility is to understand the lifecycle of the product they create. Picking the right material and manufacturing techniques allows them to have a conscious impact on our world. "A good design, to me, is not only making sense in use and aesthetics, it is also a sustainable product in the long run."

On the other hand, a bad one "doesn't take into account the above, is often flawed, and has a short life in actual use. A bad design breaks easily, gets out of trend, and ignores the user's needs or context," says Delassus.


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    One of the most common mistakes Delassus notices in bad design is the poor choice of materials, like a product blending two different plastics. A toothbrush with hard plastic and a soft silicone overmold is a great example of this.

    "This might look attractive, BUT it makes the plastic or product unrecyclable," she explained. "You can also think about products that mix organic material with plastics. It basically makes the plastic unrecyclable, and the product will end up in landfills or incineration."

    Another aspect that creators overlook is the long-term appeal of the product. Designers should produce a product that is easy to maintain and clean (reducing any nooks and crannies), which also adds to its longevity. "One example could be a product using soft-touch paint - very desirable at first but becomes sticky over time, especially in humid and hot environments," said Delassus.

    In addition, bad design adds unnecessary and unjustified complexity. "The design of a product is the voiceover that talks about what the product can do, guides how it can be used, etc. Design that doesn't guide its users ends up being confusing," explains the industrial designer.

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    Moreover, bad design choices ignore the context of use. One example is a fan with a bright LED that can't be turned off when the fan is working. Users may be placing it in their bedroom and be disturbed by the light at night.

    The last feature of a poorly designed product that Delassus mentions is exclusivity. "We usually design for the 50th percentile. However, the golden standard in design should be inclusive.

    The best designs often start with an extreme user/context and have benefits to the broader community (it is called the curb-cut effect). Good design provides enough space between buttons, good ergonomics, and visibility."

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    Dieter Rams, a German industrial designer known for his less but better approach to design, outlined the characteristics of good design so creators know what is expected of them. He had immense influence in this field and helped to shape how products in the 20th and early 21st centuries looked and worked. Alarm clocks, toothbrushes, and coffeemakers are just a few of his hallmarks. 

    In the late 1970s, Rams tried to figure out the world around him, asking himself the important question, “Is my design good design?” The answer led him to his ten principles, which we’re going to discuss more below.

    First, a designer should always strive for innovation. The world is constantly progressing, and new technologies are offering plenty of opportunities for novel and inventive ideas. Therefore, design has to keep up by taking these creative ideas and turning them into useful solutions to modern problems. 

    Innovation in design can take many forms. It can involve new materials or technologies, rethinking traditional ways of designing, or finding fresh solutions to impractical issues. By embracing innovation, creators can come up with products that aren’t only functional but also sustainable and cost-effective.

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    Even in the 1970s, Rams was concerned with the environment, waste, and consumer culture. In his 1976 speech, he said, “I imagine our current situation will cause future generations to shudder at the thoughtlessness in the way in which we today fill our homes, our cities, and our landscape with a chaos of assorted junk.”

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    Auntriarch
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No need to be ashamed of tuna, but if you are, just bat it under the sofa

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    With fewer and fewer natural resources, he believes that both buyers and designers should take responsibility for the state our world is in. He calls for an end to wastefulness and continues to advocate sustainable and innovative creations. 

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    Anna Ekberg
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's pretty safe to say that we all know this and we hate it. /sincerely all women on earth

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    It's self-explanatory that the main reason people buy a product is so they can use it. That’s why design shouldn’t detract from its usefulness either. However, an item that is considered useful to one may be entirely useless to others, so the specific criteria that determine this remain difficult to define.

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    Jack Burton
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you remember the early nineties when we start having some bipper for text messages but we had to call a special center and just dictate our message to a person whom send it as a text on the bipper. That was so weird ^^

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    Something that makes buyers use the item more is if it’s aesthetically pleasing. When we don’t enjoy the look of it, we are less likely to pick it up.

    Without a doubt, it should also be easy to utilize without any details interfering with the user's experience. By saying that design should be unobtrusive, Rams is emphasizing the importance of simplicity and usability. Choosing a classic design that never looks outdated also prevents more products from ending up in landfills.

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    Jack Burton
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Full energy blowjob on Superman while wearing some rollers skate on a psychedelic carpet is not something you can see every day

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    Finally, the product should be honest with its consumers, meaning that a person shouldn’t feel disappointed when an item doesn’t work as well as they hoped. So the design should be as innovative, powerful, or valuable as it claims to be. According to Rams, products should be reliable, durable and allow people to use them as they were intended to be used.

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    Jack Burton
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Platypus is a weird animal, part duck, part beaver, have eggs but a mammal and just bright under black light. Maybe platypus periods got some special effects ^^

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    In a nutshell, the best design won’t require extra explaining to its users, who will very much appreciate how simple yet thoughtful creations understand the people they are designed for. Jared Spool, the American writer, researcher, and usability expert, put it best, “Good design, when it’s done well, becomes invisible. It’s only when it’s done poorly that we notice it.”

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    My Company Wanted To Make Our Fountain Pink For Breast Cancer Awareness. Didn't.... Quite Get It Right

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    Nothing Like The Smell Of Coffee And A Good Eye-Stab In The Morning

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    Hippopotamuses
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are quite a few people I'd like to give one of these to. After sharpening the ears, that is.

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    Anna Ekberg
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Will i be early, will i be late? Que sera sera, whatever will be will be....

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    Toilets And Mirror Ceiling

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    Michael None
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    And it's in Europe. Who's complaining about door gaps now! JK

    Captive
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    In the bathroom at work the floor actually mirrors and you can see who's sitting on the potty

    Dawnieangel76
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The way they want to see who's using which bathroom is getting WAY out of hand!

    Pikkie V
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I saw this once, not this setup but it was the roof of a pyramid shaped building on a camping. The roof had windows and in the evening/night, the glass acted like a mirror. You could look into other toilets and showers. They had 4 or 5 windows on every side of the ceiling. Error in the design. Not funny.

    QueenKittyCat
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The only good I see in this is knowing beforehand that the stall is occupied vs bursting in if the lock happens to be broken. I hate being burst in on without knocking. I look for feet and knock at least. Everyone else is disrespectful.

    axle f
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...I'm betting someone with a college degree designed this...

    Anikulapo
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I’m guessing someone who didn’t actually want people using their toilets, so they wouldn’t have to pay for cleaning as often. Of course it could be a complete coincidence that they’re saving money.

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    When Life Gives You Lemons

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    I Bought A Billboard To Promote My Business And They Screwed Up The Formatting

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    Our Municiplaity Made Bike Lanes For Us Finally!

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    Anna Ekberg
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I don't even have a bike now but somehow i would manage to trip over this.

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    Proofreading This Book Couldn't Have Been That Hard

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    Step 4: Just Go Sit In Some Other Chair

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    Crystal Furniture Set That Looks Like Raw Meat

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    This Unfortunately Designed Kid's Balloon

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    Jack Burton
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    i can totally figure my wife coming back from work and finding me red faced with this inflatable robot c**k in my mouth with my daughter cheering of excitement.

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    Diapers For Mutant Baby

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    6 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well it’s an ad from Japan… to soon for Fukushima jokes? … yeah I think so.

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    #52

    The Placement Of This Baby's Head Wasn't Quite Thought Through

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    #55

    This Sign At The Akron Zoo That Looks Like A Man Peeing In His Own Face

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    This Kid Friendly Hand Sanitizer Package. Looks Like One Of Those Apple Sauce Things, No?

    This Kid Friendly Hand Sanitizer Package. Looks Like One Of Those Apple Sauce Things, No?

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    One Armed Mother And A Demon Child

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    Pulling Tissues From This Box Feels... Uncomfortable

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    Honey, You Really Shouldn't Have

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    I'm Just Gonna Let The Fire Consume Me

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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This must be the twelfth time I see this one, and everytime there's one person commenting the same thing. Let me be the one this time; it only locks TO the hand, she is still free to move away. It's not attached to the box.

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    This Flower Print Dress

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    People Wearing Face Masks Looking Like Monsters

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    This Bath Bomb's Final Color

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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    If the layout and lack of rails weren't enough, this guy also added an obstacle on the third step. That little statue looks like it has a few pointy bits pointing straight up.

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    I Don't Know If This Fits Here, But Do Not Leave Children Unattended At Whole Foods

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    Forever 21 Does Not Know How To Use Photoshop Or What Women Actually Look Like

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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    what? sibling parents with brown hair should get a brown furred dog. It's genetics, innit

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    I Needed Red. Guess Which One I Grabbed At First

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    My High School Commissioned A Bulldog Statue! This Is The Result

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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    ...yeah, so the bobwire is doing it's job, isn't it? try climbing over that bad boy..

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    They Stopped Construction On The New Burger King In My Hometown Because The Building Is Backwards. They Put A Whole Building Up Backwards!

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    A Bag Of Apples With A Character On It That Got Poisoned By An Apple

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    Rizzo
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It's like those old tapestries with representations of lions knotted by artists who have never seen a lion in their lives.

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    Stay Home!

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    My Son Just Asked Me Why This Lady Is Reading Poop Magazine. I'm So Proud

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    I’m Pretty Sure That’s Not How You’re Supposed To Hold A Scythe

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    Striped Carpet On Hotel Stairs. Hard To Use Even After Two Weeks And Completly Sober

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    Correct Punctuation Is A Must!

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    Don’t Wake Anybody Up If You’re Exiting The Motel During A Fire!

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    Sub-Par ATM Placement. Way Sub-Par

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    Gas Station In Nebraska. The Station's Color Scheme Was Red. They Tried To Get Artsy

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    Why Is Clear A Green Button While Enter Is Yellow? I Kept Accidentally Clearing My Pin

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    My Arms Are About 7 Feet Long, So This Wasn't An Issue For Me

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    Probably It's More Convenient

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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It took my way too long to work out that he wasn’t holding it by the stick. I was distracted by the hand on the right with the floating one!

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    Attention

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    NapQueen
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Never come across one of those. Those toilets must be spotless due to its lack of use!

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    #103

    The 'Bathroom' In My Airbnb Will 100% Result In Shi**y Encounters With The Host

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    #105

    That's Gonna Be An Easy Ride

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    Jack Burton
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Looks like and old video game from the 80's, you have to die and retry !

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    They Just Don't Go Together

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    Very Long Message Warning (While Driving) Not To Take Your Eyes Off The Road For Too Long

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    Urban Planning

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    Doctor Strange
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Once again, this is Not a sign of poor design, but of age. Drainage inlets don't just sit on the ground. There is a concrete structure beneath them. Over time, the ground erodes or gets compressed, but concrete does not. You can see in the picture how the bricks are seperating due to the fact that the ground away from the structure has lowered over age. That is what causes this. And no, it isn't possible to design a way to prevent this. Soil is always going to change faster than concrete. The only option is to periodically regrade.

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    #110

    This Clock Store In Benghazi, Libya

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    #112

    Because I Can See Through Stainless Steel

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    I Was Having A Good Day Until I Went To The Supermarket

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    Almost Broke My Leg

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    Lex? Sex? Derp? Lox? Nope, It's Supposed To Say Jax For Jacksonville, Florida For $18 Million Dollars

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    #121

    "We Need To Decorate The Toilet For The Disabled." "Say No More"

    "We Need To Decorate The Toilet For The Disabled." "Say No More"

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    Black One Is Salt, White One Pepper

    Black One Is Salt, White One Pepper

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    6 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Well. Depends. My salt from Hawaii is black and I prefer the white pepper.

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    It Almost Seems Intentional

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    What Animal Is That?

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    #126

    The New School In My Community Has A Wheel Chair Access Button For The Door, But No Way For A Person In A Wheel Chair To Reach It

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    #127

    Sometimes It's Okay To Judge A Book By Its Cover

    Sometimes It's Okay To Judge A Book By Its Cover

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    #128

    I See Your "Use Before: Made In China" And Raise You "Warning - Made In China"

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    #129

    I've Been Conditioned To Recognize This As "Do Not"

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    Tucker Cahooter
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    6 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I guess the sign writer thought "bin chicken" wouldn't fit in the sign (but "ibises" would fit nicely)

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