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“What’s A Story Where The ‘Bad Guys’ Are Actually, Completely, 100% Right?” (39 Answers)
From when we were little, we have been taught that we should like the "good guys" in the stories and hate the "bad ones." Then, as we grow up, we start to realize that sometimes those "bad guys" aren't as bad as the story portrays them.
So, when someone on Reddit asked people to share which villains—in their opinion—aren't wicked, netizens didn't hold back. So, let's look through the examples they shared and decide whether we agree with them or not!
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#1
Dennis the Menace. The older I get the more I sympathize with Mr Wilson. Get off my lawn, you little s**t.
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#2
The mother in “Mrs. Doubtfire.” For years, she’d been dealing with a man-child who undermined her, upstaged her, and caused messes which she wound up having to clean up.
Then, instead of making serious efforts to clean up his life, he decides to make her look like the bad guy and disguise himself to sneak back into her home.
In the end, the movie makes the mother look like she learned a lesson, when it should have been him.
RagDollLali 2 weeks ago
I loved that movie as a kid but as an adult, oof. In real life there would have been restraining orders and a lot mental health professionals involved, possibly even jail time.
#3
The older I get the more I realise that the mean parents were 100% justified. Baby's dad in Dirty Dancing was actually a decent guy. He still helped that girl after her botched abortion. No one corrected him when he assumed who the father was. What dad wants his teenage daughter seeing an older man who he thinks just got another girl pregnant?
Every story has a protagonist—the main character—the one that the people consuming the story should care about the most.
Then, there’s the antagonist—the character that opposes the protagonist. While the antagonists are usually viewed as the villains of the story, they do not always have to be. Sometimes the main character is the evil one.
#5
The Jungle Book. Shere Kahn didn't want the man cub around because "he'll set the jungle on fire." By the end of the story, what does Mowgli do? Set the jungle on fire.
R.A. Haley 2 weeks ago
Kipling was much clearer about Shere Khan being evil. One of my favorite books.
#6
Ferris Bueller's Day Off. Ferris is a manipulative narcissist and the teacher was right.
It’s called the anti-hero trope. This character lacks traditional heroic qualities, such as a strong moral code, making them far from a good person. Such characters include Walter White from Breaking Bad or The Beast from Beauty and the Beast. Vastly different examples here, but they show how varied anti-heroes can be.
Yet, even if the protagonist is considered to be the good force in the story, that doesn’t mean that the antagonist is bad. In fact, from time to time, antagonists are portrayed as the villains of the story, but when you consider their actions and motivations, you realize they aren’t so bad.
#7
The insurers requiring additional proof of safety at Jurassic Park.
#8
SpongeBob. Every feeling Squidward has is completely valid and once you’ve realized you’ve now reached adulthood.
#9
The dude in Bee Movie. He had his girlfriend stolen by a bee.
That brings us to today’s topic. A few days ago, a Reddit user went to r/AskReddit and asked: “What's a story where the 'bad guys' are actually, completely, 100% right, to the point where it's weird the story keeps calling them the bad guys?”
Apparently, there are many characters like this, as the comment section was filled pretty quickly by netizens giving their answers. So, we compiled a list of the most intriguing examples given.
#10
Hermione trying to give the elves rights in Harry Potter. The books portray her as in the wrong but she's 100% right.
FreeTheUnicorn 2 weeks ago
The author has pretty firm ideas about how you're born is how you're meant to stay.
#11
Bugs Bunny. Rewatched some of the old cartoons and Bugs is a total a*****e in nearly every episode.
#12
Not so much a “bad guy” as he was an antagonist, but Ice Man was totally right about Maverick in Top Gun.
Dread Pirate Roberts 2 weeks ago
Goose was really the only likeable character in the first movie imho
Without giving too much away, we can say that the list includes the man from the infamous Bee Movie, The Wicked Witch of the West (or simply Elphaba) in The Wizard of Oz, and many others. Check it out for yourself and upvote those you agree with!
At the same time, in many stories, the villains are actually villainous, and still, people love them, sometimes even more than they do the hero. Here, just remember that characters like The Joker, Maleficent, and Pennywise are such a variety, right?
But why are people drawn to “the bad guys”? Well, sometimes villains are simply fun. They are shameless, confident, and have a flamboyance that the protagonists lack, so the people consuming their stories are more entertained by watching them than by the boring main character.
#13
The Wicked Witch of the West was certainly nasty, but on the other hand, just wanted her dead sister's shoes! That b***h Glinda comes floating in in her bubble and steals the shoes off a fresh corpse, and when the dead woman's sister wants the only thing that survived a house falling on them, Glinda's like "they must be powerful because she wants them so bad".
No! You just denied a grieving woman an heirloom that belonged to her sister, you absolute monster. Glinda's the real villain of The Wizard of Oz.
Damned_Cat 1 week ago
Glinda had the power to resolve everyone's problems in 10 minutes but instead decided to manipulate a little girl and her dog into risking their lives just for her own amusement.
#14
Emily from Friends. She was made out to be over-controlling and possessive, but wouldn’t you be if your husband said his ex-girlfriend’s name at the alter, tried to go on your honeymoon with said ex-girlfriend, and then kept lying about hanging out with her? Then Ross ultimately ends his marriage because he doesn’t want to stop hanging out with his ex-girlfriend. He literally put an ex over his wife. Emily was totally justified to be pissed imo.
#15
Sarah Silverman character in school of rock.
Jack black is a sponge who takes advantage of her fiance. He then steals his identity and puts his whole career at risk, but then she calls the police she's portrayed as some kind of major a*****e. .
In other cases, some people find villains more relatable, and more similar to themselves. If you’re worried about people who can relate to villains, don’t be. The study found that while they tend to like fictional bad guys, choosing real-life criminals doesn’t seem appealing to them.
Tragic backstories that make viewers/readers sympathize with them, iconic dialogue lines that people remember for a long time, and many other things make the villains likable. After all, to each their own when it comes to the kind of people we find charming on screen (or on the page)—and it’s completely okay, as long as the crimes in the story remain there and aren't brought to reality.
In your opinion, which story portrays a reasonable character as a villain? Share with us in the comments!
#16
Jack and the Beanstalk. First he irresponsibly trades in his mother’s cow for some beans. Then he steals a bunch of s**t from the giant who he then murders. Jack is an a*****e.
Edit: most of you understood what I was trying to say here, so thank you. For those who didn’t, I was actually trying to defend the giant as not a bad guy- I should have been more clear. And yes, I know this does not apply to all versions of the story: some actually depict him as a more evil character.
Red PANda (any pronouns) 2 weeks ago
In Into the Woods, I like how they actually expand on this story and Jack actually has to face the consequences
#17
Emily in The Devil Wears Prada
She worked hard at Runway Magazine and lived and breathed fashion. She still deserved to go to Paris.
Becca not Becky 2 weeks ago (edited)
She wasn't really a villian though, just an extension of the toxic industry.
#19
Thomas the Tank Engine: Day of the Diesels. The diesel engines rebel because they've been totally neglected and all they get is a lecture about being jerks.
#20
Ever seen what about Bob?
Loved it growing up. As a kid you think bob is harmless and funny.. as an adult.. i would have punted him of a cliff. And the movie paints the therapist as the bad guy for not wanting to obsessed over by his mental patient with no boundaries .
#21
The duck from the duck song is such a d**k dude.
He goes to this man selling lemonade and harasses him for grapes when he’s obviously selling lemonade. The man is actually a saint and buys the duck some grapes and then the duck says f**k you, i wanted lemonade, not even from your stand.
A personal rant i’ve been thinking about.
#22
The hyenas in The Lion King, I think. I don't remember well, but... Weren't they starving? If that was the case, it's normal they would support a new king that promise them food.
Captain McSmoot 2 weeks ago
This one shouldn't be here. Yes, they were starving, but it was their behavior that lead them to starvation. The proof: look what became of the Pride Lands once they were in charge. There was no more food and nothing left to hunt.
#23
That children’s book about the Rainbow Fish. You don’t want to give away body parts to appease the other fish who don’t even like you? A*****e.
Red PANda (any pronouns) 2 weeks ago
Yeah as a kid I thought it was just a lesson about sharing but now that I’ve had time to think more deeply about it…that’s really manipulative
#24
The bank in the movie Sing.
Buster Moon borrowed money against his building, and makes the llama seem like she's the bad person for collecting on the debt?
Also don't forget the people he hires, then pays with bad checks. Or the fact that he steals electricity from his neighbor.
That guy is a complete a*****e and piece of s**t.
#25
The EPA in Ghostbusters!!
Major Harris 2 weeks ago
epic rap battles of history on youtube, "mythbusters vs ghostbusters", the "mythbusters- "you built a laser grid with no safety switch, walter peck was right, that's some shady s-it!"
#26
Tim Curry in Home Alone 2. He is literally doing his job. He should have just had the police arrest Kevin for using a stolen Credit Card
The parents in Freaks and Geeks. They aren’t necessarily bad guys, but they only want their daughter to have a good future, and she has no appreciation for it. .
JayWantsACat 1 week ago
To be fair, Lindsay was written well. I wouldn't necessarily say realistic but she acts like a teen like that would. And the show does essentially call her out for being an a*****e several times, so...
#28
“My Best Friend’s Wedding” Cameron Diaz’s character isn’t the villain, and Julia Roberts realizes that she is the villain.
#29
The Rock. All General Hummel wanted was justice and compensation for his men who died fighting for their country. He was never going to launch the missiles.
#30
Benny from the play RENT. He helped everyone out, paid for mimi's rehab, wasn't charging any rent at all for a while, and still hung around despite the constant disrespect. He was using his resources to build up the lower east side that was overrun by d**g addicts and homeless people, but that's bad.
#31
Old School. The wives were correct. Tank was a man baby hanging out with college kids and the godfather was banging a high schooler.
Captain McSmoot 2 weeks ago
No. Frank's behavior never changed from dating to engagement to marriage. This can be seen in his slurred speech at his wedding when he said he loved his dad and it can also be assumed she knew him and was okay with it since she married with him. His wife did the 'ol switcheroo, not Frank. She change how she behaved and treated him. However, in the end, they both realized they shouldn't be married and ended things nicely.
#32
The Dunlendings in Lord of the Rings.
The Numenoreans pushed them out of their lands and ravaged their forests for lumber in the Second Age. Then, Gondor gifted their ancestral homelands to the Rohirrim because of an alliance that didn't consider the Dunlendings whatsoever in the Third Age. When the Dunlendings resisted this, they were the bad guys from the perspective of "the West." They were forced off of their fertile land and into a wretched existence by colonizers. Yes, they were fooled by Saruman, but what option did they really have when no other powers in Middle Earth aided them whatsoever?
#34
Starship Troopers if you misunderstand it.
Major Harris 2 weeks ago
the military is the government. thousands of years of military tactics and strategies to learn from. yet, on "klandathu" they sent in thousands of troops with out artillery or air cover? and every one is surprised that the troops are massacred?
#35
High school musical. Ryan and Sharpay worked so hard for those roles.
Becca not Becky 2 weeks ago
In the second one, Sharpay was helping Troy with his basketball career. Yet he chose the girl who just sings and runs away all the time
#36
To some extent, I'd rank Francisco Scaramanga, because the primary reason Her Majesty sends 007 to stop him from selling a 99% solar efficient chip, is because it would tank the oil market and send the world into financial chaos.
Patrick Linnen 1 week ago
Scaramanga did not steal the solar chip to put it on the market, he stole it to power his defense system. And the reason he needed a defense system ( despite being under the umbrella of the Mainland Chinese military ) was that he was a hitman for pay.
#37
Now You See Me
The "good" guy's Dad literally died because of his own stupidity. Safe companies don't design their products around underwater escape acts and insurance companies justifiably won't pay out of you die doing something so stupid.
Also, some of the heros' stunts could have easily [ended] bystanders (e.g. the staged car crash).
#38
I kinda think Jumper. They really only got caught because they were using their powers to steal. Plus, it's not like you can put a person who can teleport in prison.
#39
There’s entire videos about how Daniel is the true villain of Karate Kid.
Major Harris 2 weeks ago
yeah, daniel is was beaten up in the beginning of the movie by the kobra kai for no reason while out riding his bike. of course he is the villain!
What do you think ?
Dirk Daring 1 week ago
Tom is simply a housecat doing his job. Jerry is a verminous jackwagon.
Damned_Cat 1 week ago
Captain Hook. He's the victim of a wanton act of mayhem by an unsupervised amoral minor, and subsequently taunted by said minor and his friends. I think he had a right to some revenge.
Sooploosh MacSchnibble 1 week ago
Godzilla but only from his perspective. These little animals built this enormously destructive weapon that horribly scarred and mutated you beyond recognition. You were once the last of your kind, but they made you the first. Godzilla wants revenge on the creatures that took everything from him. Now of Course, humanity isnt evil, but from Godzillas perspective they're his enemy. Especially when tehy always attack him on sight. Another villain is Destoroyah. Destoroyah was a colony of microscopic crustaceans that formed togehtetr after after being mutated by the Oxygen Destroyer (the weapon used to kill Godzilla in 1954) who resurfaces in 1996. Destoroyah is often portrayed as one of Godzillas cruelest and brutal enemies for killing his son and brutalizing him, but I think Destoroyah is just as hurt and misunderstood as Godzilla.
James016 1 week ago
Dungeon Master from the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon. He could have sent those kids home any time but no, he had to be a d**k. I remember one episode where they were in a trench with a load of portals, one of which would have got them home. Naturally the Dungeon Master told them which one it was after they all closed. Asshat
A Strike 1 week ago (edited)
12 monkeys. Every time I see a movie where people are like “we have destroyed earth! We have to do xyz to save humanity!” I’m like stop. Just stop already and let it happen.
Nikole 1 week ago (edited)
They did let it happen. The pure form of the virus was taken back to the “future” by the scientist on the plane who said she’s “in insurance”. They never meant to stop it. I mean, Cole did, but he wasn’t in on the actual purpose of his mission and didn’t really comprehend it. Edit: so him witnessing himself die will repeat for infinity. That’s why the ending was so fúcking sad, even though you knew people in the present/future would eventually be able to return to the surface and rebuild.
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Luke Branwen 1 week ago
I'm still salty about the Flag Smasher in The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. She had EVERY RIGHT to do what she did.
Michael Largey 1 week ago
The Grinch. He didn't hate Christmas. It was people that ticked him off.
90HD 1 week ago
He's sort of the reason death exists according to the bible
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Chuck Freiman 1 week ago
Dean Wormer in Animal House. The older I get the more I appreciate his famous line, "Drunk, fat and stupid is no way to go through life".
VikingAbroad 1 week ago
The villains in Dan Brown's Inferno and Clive Cussler's Plague Ship. Both villains simply want to do something about the overpopulation of the Earth without bloodshed. Seems like a legit concern.
Dirk Daring 1 week ago
Tom is simply a housecat doing his job. Jerry is a verminous jackwagon.
Damned_Cat 1 week ago
Captain Hook. He's the victim of a wanton act of mayhem by an unsupervised amoral minor, and subsequently taunted by said minor and his friends. I think he had a right to some revenge.
Sooploosh MacSchnibble 1 week ago
Godzilla but only from his perspective. These little animals built this enormously destructive weapon that horribly scarred and mutated you beyond recognition. You were once the last of your kind, but they made you the first. Godzilla wants revenge on the creatures that took everything from him. Now of Course, humanity isnt evil, but from Godzillas perspective they're his enemy. Especially when tehy always attack him on sight. Another villain is Destoroyah. Destoroyah was a colony of microscopic crustaceans that formed togehtetr after after being mutated by the Oxygen Destroyer (the weapon used to kill Godzilla in 1954) who resurfaces in 1996. Destoroyah is often portrayed as one of Godzillas cruelest and brutal enemies for killing his son and brutalizing him, but I think Destoroyah is just as hurt and misunderstood as Godzilla.
James016 1 week ago
Dungeon Master from the Dungeons and Dragons cartoon. He could have sent those kids home any time but no, he had to be a d**k. I remember one episode where they were in a trench with a load of portals, one of which would have got them home. Naturally the Dungeon Master told them which one it was after they all closed. Asshat
A Strike 1 week ago (edited)
12 monkeys. Every time I see a movie where people are like “we have destroyed earth! We have to do xyz to save humanity!” I’m like stop. Just stop already and let it happen.
Nikole 1 week ago (edited)
They did let it happen. The pure form of the virus was taken back to the “future” by the scientist on the plane who said she’s “in insurance”. They never meant to stop it. I mean, Cole did, but he wasn’t in on the actual purpose of his mission and didn’t really comprehend it. Edit: so him witnessing himself die will repeat for infinity. That’s why the ending was so fúcking sad, even though you knew people in the present/future would eventually be able to return to the surface and rebuild.
Load More Replies... Luke Branwen 1 week ago
I'm still salty about the Flag Smasher in The Falcon & The Winter Soldier. She had EVERY RIGHT to do what she did.
Michael Largey 1 week ago
The Grinch. He didn't hate Christmas. It was people that ticked him off.
90HD 1 week ago
He's sort of the reason death exists according to the bible
Load More Replies... Chuck Freiman 1 week ago
Dean Wormer in Animal House. The older I get the more I appreciate his famous line, "Drunk, fat and stupid is no way to go through life".
VikingAbroad 1 week ago
The villains in Dan Brown's Inferno and Clive Cussler's Plague Ship. Both villains simply want to do something about the overpopulation of the Earth without bloodshed. Seems like a legit concern.
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