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I've been around a while and never got anyone "unexpectedly" pregnant. We all know how it works. It's not "unexpected."

You've never heard of birth control failing, have you?

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Someone skipped sex ed...90% of women on this planet get pregnant unexpectedly...many while on birth control.

BS !!!

I think he meant they couldn't afford it. It is true that many poor woman have no access to contraception or abortion--and the US in many states is working hard to try to take it away from the rest of the women.

Oh my goodness they are doomed to be baby makers then I guess. It's not like people can just NOT HAVE SEX during ovulation. Guess no one seems to understand biology or have any damn self control. Learn your cycle and act accordingly. Stop blaming condoms and birth control.

The Catholic church recommends this type of birth control because of the results, which is PARENTS! You cannot guarantee a lack of conception using ovulationplease Google because I have zero interest in schooling you.

Learn your cycle? How ludicrous! That's what the catholics used to always use and look how many of them there are. Also, that's how I got my second child. The cycle thing is ridiculous! You surely must be a man!

You're talking about the rhythm method. How many women do you think really know when they ovulate? How many of their sex partners would really listen to them when they say 'I can't have sex right now because I'm ovulating'? Geeze, lady, you're so unreal! I became pregnant the second time when I wasn't supposed to be ovulating. Many do. Many Catholics use this method. That's why (in the past before contraceptives) there were so many Catholics. Because it was SO UNRELIABLE--just as the human body is unreliable! Get yourself an education & a book on the statistics of babies born to moms using the rhythm method! Learn how unreliable it is! Incidentally, I am the mom to a doctor, the grandma to another, the grandma-in-law to another & the aunt to 2 more! You can trust me to know what I'm talking about!

I don't understand, if they only wanted three why the parents didn't take a more permanent solution towards birth control. I have family and friends that did so once they decided they had enough children.

Because it's never that easy. I had to FIGHT with my Dr's to get my tubes tied after my 4th pregnancy, 3rd child (lost one). All were different forms of bc failure. One condom broke, one IUD slipped out of proper placement due to an unusually shaped cervix, and 2 were oral bc failures, different types. Both taken precisely as instructed. And yet I STILL had to FIGHT to get my tubes tied. At 34. Married. 3rd living birth. My Dr's argued and hemmed and hawed until I finally ordered them to do it or I'd find a dr who would. 3 months of arguments before I was ALLOWED to choose a more permanent solution. Oh, and I had been trying for a tubal since I was 18. Also after every single child. But since I was married and chose to have sex with my husband, I guess I desreved to have more kids, despite responsibly trying to prevent pregnancy, as a "punishment" huh. Classy.

Why TF were you arguing with your doctor about having a tubal ligation when it's an _infinitely_ safer and less invasive procedure w/few potential future complications down the road for your, clearly idiotic and selfish husband to not get off his ass and get a vasectomy?! I am a guy and I can understand the immediate wincing involved in just imagining having this procedure. However, I recognize it is the superior option health-wise for everyone involved. The proper answer was to tell your husband to go get _his_ tubes cut/tied or the punani is closed off to him forever. Or just divorce his ass for being a selfish prick. Infuriating!

Because men want all the babymaker's open for business.

Yes, I had the same thing happen. My doctor didn’t want to let me get my tubes tied. Unexpected pregnancies happen all the time!!! I was on Depo (the shot you get once a month) and I had an ear infection. I was young and didn’t know that antibiotics lessen birth control and I got pregnant. But she was a blessing and I can’t imagine my life without her.

I agree you had that right, but why wouldn't your husband have a vasectomy? Much easier.

We were blessed with our 4th after a vasectomy went bad. Pregnant for 3 months (health issues prior) before we knew we were pregnant. I wouldn’t change a thing.

It's not usually that they go bad but rather that they sometimes take a while to become effective.

I may be wrong and I know my familys experience won't be everyone's, but the kid can parentify themselves. My eldest brother and older sister certainly did at age 10 as they were protective of me and my brother who are both autistic. I know this because I've asked them before if they ever resented the responsibility they had towards me and my brother and they said no, they chose to do it to help us and our parents. I've also talked to others who've shared this, and others who were forced into it. I think you'd need to actually see the family dynamic in person to be able to tell if the parent is forcing them into it or if they're willingly doing it.

I can easily see that happening. I've spent my life mediating between people. It seems I'm always getting stuck with people who don't get along or where one of them is a pain in the neck and I have to find a way for them to get along. I'm very good at it. No one ever asked me to do it, I just do it. Maybe it's because I like peace and quiet around me.

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No you don't. That's not a thing with proper birth control.

@John Scott, you are just ignorant. I know people with four kids were each of them was a birth control accident. Two were failed pill, one a coil, one a condom. I even know a few couples who have vasectomy kids. Yes, that can heal.

Hence why we need legal & safe abortion to ensure the mental & physical health of the mother and any children she already has

How can people turn this discussion about a mom caring for her daughter’s well being at school into a “get an abortion” talk!?!

Tell is you don't know anything about birth control without telling us you don't know s**t about it...seriously man get a sex ed class

John Scott - Funny how you can be so wrong and still so confident.

He's a man.

@John Scott you are right, however there are things that can make the birth control fail. Sometimes stress or a new supplement, more often a new prescription that can, in some people cause enough of a shift for birth control to fail. However the chance of it is very low, but given then the past 2 years where really testing for majority of the population maybe there is a study that can be done on 'The effect of Stress on Birth Control' if it already not been done.

@john Scott, you are an ignorant and opinionated under informed jerk.

That never stopped a man from having an opinion.

I don't think we should be making anyone do anything. Believe it or not, men often have similar issues when under the age of 25 and requesting vasectomies. Mind you, denial of the procedure is far less prevalent in men than it is in women, men and women should be allowed to take control of their own bodies and if someone gets a "tubal litigation" or a vasectomy and regrets it, vasectomies can be reversed, tubal litigation kind of can and sperm can be frozen and subsequently deposited into a sperm bank, if one so chooses. We've moved past the time of worrying about whether or not people will regret committing themselves to being childless and just let people do whatever the hell they want to do with their own bodies, as long as it does not affect anyone else (which birth control, vasectomies and "tubal litigations" do not)

I can from a family of 7 kids. Only 3 have children. All 3 only have 2 kids each. I think none of thought having a large family was a good idea.

The pill absolutely DOES fail. It even states the likelihood on the package.

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A 4yr old is not a toddler. The toddler is the 1yr old. Toddlers are 1-3.

@Airt Nope 3 daughters, 10, 4 and newborn and a son 6 who has autism and adhd.

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Newborn? There's no newborn. There's a 1yr old who is the toddler.

Like is the 6 year old son, she has two other kids, 4, and 1

No, Luke was the 6 year old. Izzy - 10 Luke - 6 Then there was a 4y old daughter and a 1y old baby daughter

Thank you @Sarah. I agree. That is a disgusting thought and these people who keep talking about abortion or not having kids after a special needs child are mechanical and probably have no heart. ALL children are gifts… not burdens. And if people would just show compassion (like the 10 year does) then this world would be so much better! It’s good to know when to say no. And Izzy’s mom did that for her daughter. But to treat a disabled child like a disease the way so many are doing here is pathetic! So sick!

Agree 💯

Stop twisting it~~this is about a 10 year old child who is being used as free specialized labor by two separate families. According to the Child Labor laws, she should NOT be doing this work at all. Playing with a sin is one thing, being their keepers another entirely. Then never getting a break from the caretaker role, even at school? THAT'S CRIMINAL.

Thank you! Special needs kids are blessings too! And I have such admiration for parents who love on ALL their children. Everyone needs a helping hand once in a while… no matter who you are. How about we learn to help others instead of bashing them!

@John Scott...While I disagreed with your earlier comments, I entirely agree with you on this one. Sorry for calling you a jerk.

Gavin is not missing the point. And frankly, I think you are John Scott. No one said that Izzy was being the parent or guardian of her little brother. She is a 10 year old who is helping mommy out once in a while when baby sister needs care. She is a 10 year old who is learning compassion, responsibility and team support better than you probably ever have or ever will. The 10 year old probably just wants to be able to make other friends and play other activities at school. Everyone needs a break from just about anything once in a while. But I think Izzy still likes being a helper once in a while. She is also at a peer pressure age. She probably is struggling with inconsiderate people who think a lot like you and so many others out there. I bet if some other kids wanted to play with Maisy, Izzy would feel better about playing all together. I know, because my daughter was just like Izzy. And there were many compassionate kids who played with the special needs kids at school.

Yes I do, which is why I'm pointing out using MULTIPLE will work. Like you pointed out, none of these options are 100%, but most of these do stop 99%. If both were to use multiple, then YES, it would work. I never heard of a research that says using as VARIOUS methods at the SAME TIME can end in failure if all methods are done correctly. I'm not irresponsible or delusional, and tbh YTA for saying something like this to me. I've seen your comments and I grew up abused and parentified as well. I know perfectly well not everyone should be parent but safe sex IS possible and that is NOT delusional.