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Kat Von D Said She’ll Raise Her Unborn Child Vegan And Without Vaccinations, So This Mom Shut Her Down
Kat Von D has over 12M followers on Facebook and nearly 6,5M followers on Instagram. So, when this tattoo artist and cosmetics entrepreneur says something, people hear it. That’s why Caroline Hirons had a problem with Kat’s recent anti-vaccine claims. To illustrate her point, she told about her son’s brutal battle against mumps.
Celebrities (most notably Jenny McCarthy) have been linked with impacting the number of parents who choose vaccines. McCarthy pushed against the MMR vaccine, in part blaming it for her son’s autism diagnosis. It was followed by record numbers of measles cases in the U.S. After the fraudulent study was retracted, however, the vaccine rates started to come back up.
Scroll down to read how Hirons’ case against Von D, and let us know what you think about it in the comment section.
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Tattoo artist and cosmetics entrepreneur Kat Von D has recently told her 18 million+ followers that she won’t be vaccinating her unborn child
Image credits: Kat Von D
“If you don’t know what it’s like have people around you think you are ridiculous, try being openly vegan”
Image credits: Kat Von D
“Try <…> having a natural, drug-free home birth in water with a midwife and doula, who has the intention of raising a vegan child, without vaccinations”
Image credits: Kat Von D
You can read her full thoughts below
More than 750,000 people liked Kat’s Instagram post
But one mom didn’t
Image credits: carolinehirons
And responded with a heartbreaking story of her son battling the mumps
Image credits: carolinehirons
Image credits: carolinehirons
Some started opposing Caroline right away
But many strongly agreed
What do you think?
What do you think ?
Kjorn 6 years ago
ah... remember that good time when we all use herb and natural cure? when we all dies in our old 30's and 40's?
Pavel Nekoranec 6 years ago
and when people got 8-10 children, cause at least two of them would survive :D
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Hans 6 years ago
I think everything has been said about anti-vacciners. They are stupid, selfish, and ultimately wrong in their arguments and motives. However, what strikes me is that not more of the "18+ trillion followers" rage about her domineering tone. What about all the mothers who wished for nothing but the best for their children but did NOT manage to have the, according to Kat von D, only acceptable way of birthing, at home, with a doula and no doctor etc. etc.? Even ignoring the anti-vacinnation nonsense, this self-righteouness should make people angry!
criminalgirl 6 years ago
Yep, remember she hasn't given birth yet...let's see what her tone is afterwards.
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ADHORTATOR 6 years ago
What is an "electric plant based diet"? Pure nonsense... In Europe, we know these rituals to cure diseases, it was called "witch burning"
Hans 6 years ago
Although the posting is severely annoying, the discussion is sparked here is quite entertaining. :)
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Husky 6 years ago
For the record: a vegan or plantbased diet has nothing to do whatsover with vaccinations. I am a vegan myself and wish to dissociate myself in the strongest way possible from the absolutely irresponsible and unscientific arguments used by the anti-vaccination movement. You might argue that it is "not vegan" to use a vaccin as it might be tested on animals, but this is the law for all medicins before they are used on humans (at least in Europe), so at this moment it is just not possible in certain cases to use products which are free from animal cruelty.
Outatime 6 years ago
Thank you for your comment!! I am a student herbalist and I use plant based medicine for lots of things, but I also believe that western medicine is amazing and truly necessary. My daughter is vaccinated & has check ups every year and I'm proud of that among my "holistic" community. We are not vegan but that's because my lifestyle in the Yukon doesn't really allow for it... Striving to live a more natural lifestyle doesn't mean you have to give up common sense and put your children in harms way. I love that Kat von d is willing to try a natural birth and a midwife, but to not vaccinate proves she is a fool spoiled by western medicine.
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Amina Hays 6 years ago
Anti vax parents are essentially saying they'd rather their kid get a potentially life threatening, easily avoidable disease, than have autism. I'm autistic and this is really upsetting. I felt like a second class citizen before but this is something else.
Rivkaka 6 years ago
Amina I'm very sorry that these stupid dumbo's make you feel this way. It is one of the important things that makes this so extra frustrating. They want to risk their own and other children all for fear of this unreal risk which is not even a harm (like actual polio etc). There is nothing wrong with people who have autism, we are all unique. But I don't think it is actually not autism that scares them, it is the psalms of their fellow hipster cult that drones into their heads that anything unnatural is bad. Not only vaccines but all 'unnatural' stuff. See it as a new religion in these unsure times with no real doctrines to follow, this helps them not to think (beyond themselves) but only to follow.
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Daria B 6 years ago
I just find it terrifying to see how in this 21st century of ours, the world seems to go backwards. Old diseases return for vaccines refusal, European countries electing fascism, women all over the "free world" seem to be more oppressed than back at the end of the past century, people using phones are "witch-hunted" by self-righteous moralists... It's really sad.
Hans 6 years ago
And everywhere people vote for autocratic leaders. It seems so much easier to just believe in what you already believe and to be led than to educate yourself, keep on challenging yourself, and be reasponsible beyond your own little world.
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stellermatt 6 years ago
So people who are anti-vaccination, are they pro-nature? is that what they thing will fix things? nature? well, doctors, nurses, researchers are all natural beings who created cures for a whole bunch of illnesses, granted we still have a bunch more with no cure, but that's not what this is about. They're basically saying that all these decades of people being ill, dying, living in pain and people working to help them is a waste of time because they'll use a crystal or some plant or worse yet 'good wishes' to cure all? take the damn help of the professional. But ya know, each to their own and all that...?
Hans 6 years ago
Pro-nature. With a completely inked body, done with electric equipment and industrially produced colours. Wtf?
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Zanthe 6 years ago
I agree with stellermatt, to each their own, but there are so many things I can't swallow when it comes to this anti-vaccination policy. New diseases are "born" everyday and we don't have magical herbs to help with that before it's too late. Ebola, Yellow Fever-- back when vaccination wasn't a thing, people would die of age when they turned 50 - if they didn't die beforehand due to certain illnesses (plague, amirite). I may be exaggerating, but so is this woman who's pushing a decision on a child (who can't choose on their own because, uh, child) and thinking it's gonna be a happy ever after. No, ma'am, you may avoid animal products but when it comes to medicine, better not risk an innocent life.
diane a 6 years ago
there was a post regarding this a while back - I related at the time how I came close to death aged 3/4 from measles before routine vaccinations were in force. Parents, and it seems to be rich parents who make this choice, rather than the poorest who just fall through the gaps and are just irresponsible. It is these same rich people who then take their vulnerable children to areas of the world on holiday where these diseases are endemic
Hans 6 years ago
I read that while the vacination rates plummet in Western countries, they rise steeply in the so called third-world. Why? If people have still sean relatives, probably their own children die from illnessed for which vaccinations exist, they do not ponder twice if a 0.something chance of bad effects and a 0.00something rate of really bad effects of vaccinations are truly a reason to skip the shot...
Load More Replies... lunanoir69 6 years ago
I had Gullian Barre syndrome, so I'm not allowed to have any vaccinations because there could be a reoccurance with certain vaccines. I am vulnerable to people's unvaccinated children. I was also born with an immune disorder and almost died several times as a child from illnesses that didn't have a vaccine yet. Vaccines don't cause autism. I'm autistic and so is my entire family. I have to think genetics plays a part. Please, vaccinate your children and keep EVERYONE safe!!!
criminalgirl 6 years ago
Yep, that's the crunch right there..keep your non-vaccinated kids away from others. So make sure they play on their own, learn on their own etc.. why should other vaccinated kids suffer from your ignorant choices?
diane a 6 years ago
but it is non-vaccinated kids being around other non-vaccinated kids that is the danger
Load More Replies... Florentte 6 years ago
I do my best in life not to judge people, but I always struggle with the anti-vaccers... Like, what should the socciety do to make them realize how important it is for the whole society
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The Quakers have a practice called shunning. Maybe that is the answer.
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Ahkilah Adams 6 years ago
People in 3rd world countries walk miles to try to get their children vaccinated. Women in these countries watch their children die after being plagued with illness. But, stupid a*s, rich people walk around with the idea that they are somehow making the "right" choice by refusing to get their kids vaccinated. They are not only putting their own children at risk, but other children as well.
Janelle (jellybean/nellie) 6 years ago
I missed nearly a month of work due to WHOOPING COUGH! It was HORRIBLE and SCARY AF as an adult living alone. I cant imagine a child going through that. Not knowing if you will be able to catch your breath after the next round of coughing starts. It's not a little cough. You cough out EVERY SINGLE BIT OF AIR IN YOUR LUNGS WITHOUT ANY BREATH IN BETWEEN. You cant suck in any air or you trigger a spasm. So you suck in air as if through a coffee stirrer or cocktail straw until the PANIC stops. Then you sleep. Until it starts again. This time grasping the headboard for stability because your ribs hurt so badly- because you probably fractured it during a coughing spasm. Imagine an infant who has no idea what is going on. No idea how to sit up and do anything they can to get that tiny bit of air. You try it. Cough out ALL THE AIR TIL YOU CANT ANYMORE AND THEN HOLD THAT FOR ABOUT 30-45 seconds. Better yet, have someone sit on your chest as you gasp for air.
diane a 6 years ago
oh dear Janelle ---you were lucky - most kids 100 years ago didnt make it - my aunt amongst them
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K. LNU 6 years ago
How sad is it that the one now discredited, former doctor who penned the concept that vaccinations = autism, and later was found guilty of three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally delayed children, has so many people believing this? I'm all for whatever life choices you decide to make in your own life; however putting it out there on the internet and telling people to F**** off if they don't like your opinion is just rather ludacris.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The now debunked British doctor cannot practice medicine Britain. He was/is a fraud who is now exploiting the ignorant, nor matter how "famous". Children died of smallpox at one time; those who survived were hideously scarred for life. Children died of polio, or were paralyzed and crippled for life. Children lost hearing and sight due to severe cases of measles; that does not happen now. Why are we giving this ignorant celebrity publicity for her ignorant views? I think she is not getting on with her career; this is a publicity stunt.
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Lizard Queen 6 years ago
I dislike Kat intensely. Not just because of the anti-vaxxer stance (short sighted as it is). I dislike her because she is openly racist. She is a poor excuse for a human being.
diane a 6 years ago
i had never heard of her before this - she is a poorly informed woman born of a generation that all got vaccinated. maybe she didnt hear her parents describe the death of their sibling from whooping cough or measles like i did - how can it be clever or a "life choice" of rich 1st world parents to allow these diseases back in
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Pam Falcioni 6 years ago
Those born in the 1960's and later have never lived through those terrifying pandemics of diseases that are now preventable by immunization, this makes it much easier to distance yourself from the REAL danger of the disease and focus on those tiny numbers of potential side-effects from the immunization itself. Talk to older people who lived through the horrible polio epidemics, or someone who had to watch a family member suffer and die from tetanus. My mother had polio as a child and is still suffering the side effects of the disease today, she considers herself lucky though since 2 of her classmates died. If the anti-vacc movement didn't put other innocent lives in danger I would consider them as laughable as the flat earth society members, but when your crazy beliefs put other people in danger, that's criminally stupid.
diane a 6 years ago
I feel for your mother - and the hospitals full of smilling children in iron lungs
Load More Replies... OreOs 6 years ago
I cant believe people are still anti vaccination. DIDNT THEY GO TO SCHOOL? HAVE THE EDUCATION FAILED THEM? WHY!!!!! U may want your child to suffer but by not vaccinating your child, you are causing other children to suffer too!!!!! Somehow I am so annoyed?
OreOs 6 years ago
I am so happy people on boredpanda are smart enough (seeing how these comments) and unlike facebook where I once stumbled on a debate on the comments section and nearly fainted. I cannot believe how can some people pull out facts from thin air to support their anti vaccination stand
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Rebecca Majoros-Gomez 6 years ago
I was 36 when I contracted Whooping Cough from a child who was not vaccinated because I was in a "vaccination trough" (meaning I needed a booster). It was 4 months of hell, so I cannot imagine what it would be like for a child. To date, I now only have 75% lung capacity and may never fully recover. My life was massively impacted by anti-vaxxers. Please, it isn't just your kids who are affected, it is others because of the diseases they carry. Sure vaccination isn't a magic bullet that eradicates all diseases, but it helps.
diane a 6 years ago
this is ridiculous - how can someone who makes a "living" injecting people refuse to have their own child injected with lifelong immunity from deadly diseases?
diane a 6 years ago
And why do they have to "announce" their vegan pregnancy to the world - like they are royalty? I had never heard of this woman until today. I just hope her umpteen Facetwitinstasnapfollowers have more sense
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Jane Thorne-Gutierrez 6 years ago
I was a child of the 50's, BEFORE the polio vaccine. We had the March of Dimes March at school to contribute to the search for a vaccine to eradicate this paralyzing disease that often killed. Measles , mumps and chicken pox can leave you scarred for life. Pox marks from any pit your skin and few can ever lose the effects. You can go blind, deaf and have lasting consequences and problems from these diseases. We were so grateful vaccines were discovered and most children don't have to suffer these epidemics now. That is until there are those who think they know better. There is NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that even incidentally, any cause autism or anything else . They PREVENT.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
I was a child when polio was a known disease; my mother didn't know a lot about medical issues; however she knew that children pass diseases: measles, mumps, colds etc. So, I was not allowed to go to public pools; stayed home from movies one summer; stayed on the ranch and played with cousins. When I went to H.S. there were kids who needed braces to walk. Some had withered arm muscles. Later we all learned that polio was spread by a virus. My mother knew enough to keep me home. Later the Salk vaccine was developed; my little girl got hers on a sugar cube. Now we don't have children with hearing and sight impairment due to measles. We don't have children with Smallpox, a childhood killer. So, this rich woman will benefit from other people's kids being vaccinated; then she can tell herself that her kid was fine without vaccinations. She is a freeloader, using her "fame" to spread nonsense. She might spend less time promoting nonsense and spend some time in a library.
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Michael Morris 6 years ago
Home delivery without a qualified physician? Let's home everything goes smoothly, cause if it doesn't she could wind up dead. Remember in the 1800's the #1 killer of women was pregnancy.
Anne 6 years ago
A midwife is qualified. Almost all births in this country are done at home with a midwife here (Netherlands), unless there is a medical indication to do it at a hospital.
Load More Replies... Paul K. Johnson 6 years ago
"Alt-medicine" isn't medicine. If it worked it would be called medicine.
birdhouse 6 years ago
You want to portray yourself as "pure" yet you inject yourself with ink for the tattoos? I'm sure the ink you use is 100% natural and plant based right?
Marie Jareth 6 years ago
She’s as pure as yellow snow; a used-up, racist, ignorant tramp, who has the gall to be arrogant.
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Jennifer .S 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before hospitals lol" They died slow and painful deaths is what they did.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
People died of smallpox before a doctor noticed something about cow's milk; he went further and eventually developed a vaccine based on experiments on dairy cows. People died, or were paralyzed before Salk developed his vaccine. Children grew up with impaired hearing or eyesight before the Mumps, Measles and Rubella vaccines were developed. We definitely ought to follow the advice from some rich, isolated "celebrity" who is freeloading on other people's following the vaccination procedures within the first three months of birth.
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Guacharaco 6 years ago
Just read history...Polio before the vaccine, children in "Iron Lungs". Just one example.
Shana 6 years ago
Humans have evolved and grown so much, found cures/vaccinations to several deadly diseases, almost wiping them out in some parts of the world... Yet now, people are refusing all that, even endangering their own kids and others because they think they know better/some random person on the internet told them so... bringing said deadly diseases back... -_-
Frans Visser 6 years ago
I loved the way Homeopaths without borders lined up to go fight the Ebola outbreak in West Africa....
Deanna Davis 6 years ago
Kvd didn't even have enough sense to know she was dating a Nazi. You don't expect her to know how to raise a child!?!?!?? C'mon people!
Danae Squires 6 years ago
18 months ago one of my friends caught the measles. Her parents hadn't vaccinated her and she didn't know. She was in hospital for a week and our health service had to close for a day while everyone was checked out. Vaccinate your kids for Pete's sake and save us all the pain of the consequences of your arrogant decisions.
Joanna Guthrie 6 years ago
As for lilgoldenhoneys comment...what did they do before hospitals? Die. They died, and if they didn't die they were left with horrible damage resulting from diseases and viruses that are easily avoided today. We used to live to 40 or 50. The reason we live so much longer these days? F*****G HOSPITALS, DOCTORS, MIDWIVES AND VACCINES. Dumb f**k.
Fuzzy Duckling 6 years ago
Considering that human beings are omnivores there is nothing "natural" about being vegan, it's a choice made possible by modern technology and sensibilities. The natural thing is to eat whatever crosses your path, like other animals do, and not debate over the ethics of eating. That debate is a luxury afforded to a well fed person who doesn't have to worry about their next meal, and it's the most "unnatural" thing possible. As is not doing everything you can to guarantee the survival of your young. So can we just stop with the anti vaccine bull$(!t hiding out as "more natural" already? I'm so sick of it. Veganism is a religion pure and simple and anti-vaccine mentality a sick cult.
Han 6 years ago
The main point of this article is a mother debating Kat Von D about not intending to vaccinate her child when it's born, yet most of the comments are about veganism. :/
Zanthe 6 years ago
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm all in for a vegetarian/veganism diet. Vaccinating is the only thing that needs to be taken seriously.
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Paul Osborne 6 years ago
In the age of social media people will latch onto anything that matches their confirmation bias, no matter how ridiculous or unscientific. Add to that a few famous people repeat it and the sheep will follow.
Karen Russo 6 years ago
I think Kat and all who disregard science and knowledge that has come from centuries of study and growth, those are the people who should have a wall built around them not the immigrants. My mother crippled throughouyt her life by polio, me with autoimmune diseases, i have no sympathy toward those who won”t vaccinate, they are ignorate and put the rest of the world at risk
Rory Connor 6 years ago
As an immunocompromised person who cannot get vaccines, because of my condition they are all useless on me and don't work, I get hugely offended at anti-vaxxers, if they had any idea how much I would love to be able to get vaccines, and not be going through pneumonia for the 10th time in 6 years (yes right now), it's just insulting, extremely so. Vaccinations in others help keep people like me safe from disease, you are not just protecting yourself, you are helping protect your community and the people around you, and I've already had mumps twice, I don't need it a third time, or anything else preventable for that matter
Danae Squires 6 years ago
I hear you. I caught a bug while going through chemo. It wiped my white blood cells out. It broke my heart that I couldn't hug my dad when he had a cold. Herd immunity is needed to protect people who can't get vaccines themselves.
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Lu 6 years ago
Bottom line - don’t impose your views on others. Acute medical care is critical, natural medicines do fix broken arms or virulent diseases. Maintaining a strong immune system is not the same as addressing an acute care situation. You need both, and we are so fortunate to have both.
Magdalina777 6 years ago
Every single time I see something about anti vaccination people I just still cannot beliebe my eyes. To risk your own child getting infected by one of the deadly diseases that used to take our lives by millions before we, you know, came up with vaccinations because it's possibly bad for their health (like...worse than a quick painful death?)...how is this possible? I know this is real but I just absolutely cannot believe these people are serious. They gotta be trolling...please tell me they're trolling
ugaas wiilhoog 6 years ago
To those who belief the same thing as the above subject, does your objection also extend to all modern medicine or just the vaccination part. I'm just curious.
Husky 6 years ago
@ugaas: I don't quite get your question, could you perhaps clarify? I have adopted a plantbased lifestyle with the recognition that it is not possible to live 100% plantbased. It is some kind of ideal though for me which I think is worth striving for, but not possible at the moment. For instance, if I would encounter an accident, be unconscious and hospitalised, then it would just not be possible to refuse painkillers (which are they are tested on animals). Same thing with antibiotics: if I have an infection, than I must take them. Or die. Not willing to do that. I therefore quite like the definition of veganism of the vegan society: "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." (https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism). The key for me in this definition is the "as far as is possible and practicable".
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Danielle Renee 6 years ago
you not only put your own child at risk when you don't vaccinate them, you also put other kids at risk.
Fbomb 6 years ago
The continuing ignorance of those with money and privilege is amazing. The Anti-vax movement has been proven wrong by everyone in the know. The "scientist" that published the false information was stripped of his medical licence. Yet there are STILL ignorant fools that think they are right. No amount of PROVEN scientific studies and FACTS will make them see the truth. I am all about raising your child as you feel is right but when it's affecting those outside your privileged sphere you are a danger to others. That's when it's harming others and you are just being selfish. Herd immunity has almost irradiated these horrible, debilitating and deadly diseases and you think it's your "right" to endanger others. You're nothing more than entitled, rich, ignorant a******s that are putting the world at risk because instead of listening to people that actually know what they are talking about (scientists) you're following some moron that was the former co-host of a bad MTV game show.
Denis Lliiggaannooww 6 years ago
Scientists also cause noise pollution and light pollution, so you always want escape the city.
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Royal_Emperor 6 years ago
Oh Jeez. This s**t again. I hope she sterilizes her tattooing equipment, after reading this i don't think she does.
ieniemienieme 6 years ago
people should realize how lucky they are to have acces to these vaccines
diane a 6 years ago
small children have a small risk of getting a very mild version of the disease they are being saved from for life -- the Autistic risk has been discredited. Just vaccinate children everywhere
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The doctor who published that garbage was stripped of medical license. He can no longer practice medicine in England. Of course, the Brits have been through enough with wars and a history of the plague in Europe; they don't indulge in nonsense fads spouted by uneducated celebrities.
Load More Replies... Vivian 6 years ago
I am unable to comprehend why ANYBODY would deny western medicine, especially sine it has been proven countless times. If my mom was a selfish and stupid anti-vaccines person or decided to have myself and my brother at home I would be dead, my mom would be dead and my brother wouldn't have even happened.
Full Name 6 years ago
Why would someone deny western medicine? Maybe because medical error is literally the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA, behind heart disease and cancer, at least according to a recent study out of John Hopkins. That's a pretty good reason to be skeptical. This is the same medical community who will warn you about taking too many vitamins even though the number of death per year can be counted on one hand. It's mind blowing how people blindly trust the generic concept of "western medicine" as if we have all the answers figured out perfectly.
Load More Replies... Full Name 6 years ago
By the way people, vegans DO usually breastfeed their babies. It's not hypocrisy. So many comments from people flipping out. Nothing brings out the worst in humanity quite like mentioning veganism or natural child rearing. They go from 0-60 instantly.
Iapetos 6 years ago
Yeah... the masses find it unimaginable, as they never dine without their oversized piece of animal carcass of some kind. As far as I am concerned, there are enough people who managed to raise their children on a healthy vegan diet without supplements (maybe except for cobalamine, which you find almost solely in beer :)
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r3dd3v1lL 6 years ago
Normally I think people's bodies are their own to do with as they will, BUT when a woman is pregnant she has the responsibility to care for her child- that means no smoking, no alcohol, no drugs and sufficient nutrients, including proteins. And vaccinations. If you are a self- destructive hippie that's fine with me, but you are not giving your child the chance to grow up healthy and make its own choice. You're taking your child's choice away. And possibly its very life by not vaccinating it.
Jacqueline Lavanchy 6 years ago
Vaccines can be deadly when injected too early. In the prime of life, the baby usually has got what it takes to fight diseases, providing he/she has been properly nurtured, fed with his/her mum's milk. The age is so important in vaccines ! A lot of kids changed drastically after vaccines, like the Eli Lilly laboratories scandal. That one was well documented, and if my memory's good, the lab had to compensate for the medical treatments those kids had to take after. Alas, a lot of them never recovered their health.
David Cobb 6 years ago
I had mumps at age four in 1954, and ran the weeks long high temperature rout for over a week. I seemed to recover, but was a clumsy kid thereafter. In first grade two years later my handwriting was horrid. I would write forward or backward without thinking. I was dyslectic, and later found to be autistic. In forth grade I was given an EEG which showed brain damage supposedly from the mumps. My life has been negatively impacted by the mumps. In 2007 I caught pneumonia almost died and was permanently disabled. If a mumps vaccine had been available I as a U.S. military dependent out of country would have been required to be vaccinated, changing everything. Still I've had a good life, and am not about to be complaining. My walk with God has been interesting to say the least.
Tanja Burmeister 6 years ago
I think this post should delete the word vegan from the title, since the discussion is completely about the vaccines.
Krishna Vishwas 6 years ago
That berry and watermelon..stop f*****g using namaste for your dumbshit. Even none of us Indians shy away from vaccination. We do have Ayurveda but we are not using it like you jackass do.. herbs and c**p.. even an Ayurvedic doctor Always recommends to not to skip allopathic medicine like for High blood pressure or diabetes. These jackass make me want to kill them.
Jrisknown Projectofscience 6 years ago
She says "It's my body, pregnancy and child." Well then it's your choice to give you child a decent start to life. I was born with Alport Syndrome. I almost died from phenomena 2 times when I was 3. When I was 16 I weighed 210Lbs. in my freshmen year of highschool. I went to the doctor and found off I was carrying a lot of fluid because my kidneys where failing. I took a diuretic and lost 60Lbs. in a week which was hard to believe but since I had help from the medicine it made it possible. Then when I turned 18 my kidney failed which caused me to go on dialysis. Since then I have died 2 times, have had 20 or so seizures causing me to lose most of my memory, so much I had a hard time remembering my phone number. I had a seizure so bad it put me into a coma for a month. When I woke up I couldn't pick up a fork to eat or walk. What I'm saying is that I would have died if it wasn't for the great doctors and scientist with all there drugs and vaccinations I would for sure be dead.
Kiki 6 years ago
I hope Child Protective Services takes the baby as soon as it's born. People who refuse to vaccinate their kids should be sterilized.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
California does not allow children to enroll in school from Kindergarten forward if they have not been vaccinated. I had to show my daughter's vaccination records when she started school. That makes sense to me. Kat VD can keep her kid home, because she won't be able to enroll her in any school, public or private, in CA. She doesn't appear to mind ink injected all over her body. Hopefully, she won't start tats on her newborn.
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Llews Art 6 years ago
Kat also deleted a ton of comments that weren't trolling but just stating another opinion. That women is just toxic and not open minded at all. She acts like she's the only vegan on earth and nobody understands her and everyone is out to get her...B***h pls...
Full Name 6 years ago
Now people are getting mad because she curates her own comment section? Haha, there's SOOOO much anger in these comments and it's spreading to the weirdest places. One person above got angry and called her a "privileged white person", as if her skin colour and bank account are relevant here.
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Wina Alkerchief 6 years ago
Refusing your children to be vaccinated not only endangering themself but people around them. This day viruses evolved and they grow even more dangerous day by day. Try living in a developed country where vaccines can be pricey. A lot of unprivileged parents literally sell something like motorcycles or their TV to get their children vaccinated! Because they' ve seen what those diseases could do to a child. About vegan thing, let your child decide that to theirself. Ripping their opportunity to try something is cruel. When they old enough let them choose.
Cris Vise 6 years ago
raising a newborn vegan style is stupid and dangerous to the kid! and not vaccinating... seriously, some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids and vote
Iapetos 6 years ago
"Raising a newborn vegan style is stupid" - I do think she'll breastfeed him, don't panic.
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Sandy Eigler 6 years ago
I was vaccinated with everything there was back in the early 60's and I got sick from every last one of them!! Measles, mumps, whooping cough. Was it bad medicine? Who knows. I could have been better off without taking them! There are two sides to every story. Vaccines could be good but if they harm more than they did good then what use were they? And yes I did vaccinate both our kids but not at first. Just worried about the after affects.
Kayci Rush 6 years ago
I’m a measle survivor before the vaccine. Nearly lost my sight. Parents could do nothing but pray I didn’t die.
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
@John Scudamore What? Where do you get your information? My grandmother and grandfather were both in their 70's when they died and my grandfather had 5 sisters and 1 brother and not one sister was younger than 85 when she died, the oldest was around 96. My next door neighbor is 90 and she's full of energy. Both my parents are in their 60's. People are living longer now-a-days! By the way herbal and what you call naturopathic medicines doesn't cure anything and has been "scientifically" found to cause problems in your brain. What #1 killer drug medicine are you talking about? Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans, followed by Cancer!
Bradley Roon 6 years ago
Hope she gets her kid's B-12 levels checked. If you are packed with B-12 (vitamin) you can last about 30 years or so, but WILL become deficient. One reason NO society has EVER been vegan. The current vegan B-12 is only possible through high tech removal of chlorella cell walls to access the vitamin. No plant based B-12 is accessible naturally.
Glynis Lailann 6 years ago
Question: If an un-immunised child spread a disease, would the guilty party and/or his/her guardians be held up for potential murder? Those diseases were responsible for deaths of half the world's population many years ago. That is the reason why vacines were invented. if you value the life of your loved ones Then Don't be An Idiot! Vaccinate your kids.
Michael Kondakov 6 years ago
1. You can live your vaccine-free life, but you must be ready to lose your loved ones to a deadly disease. Like all modern medicine, vaccination might be impairing humanity on a genetic level by interfering with the "strongest survives" principle (although I'm not sure here). So your way might help growing stronger humans in the ling run, but you can forget having one child and a "happily ever after". Keep giving birth and let the nature have its way. Your choice.
Savannah Robinson 6 years ago
I just think that certain ideas or decisions shouldn't be shared on social media. Her decision must be respected as her own but she should have expected the backlash because her choice was shared on social media. People should be more private and less sensitive too.
Renee Pina 6 years ago
My goodness so many people so narrow minded.... cuz you all know everything. I personal had vaccines yet I still get mumps as a child. Sickness happens. Its the memories of love ones are what counts. Let others live their lives. Let people make mistakes, make discoveries, etc.
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
I am a mom of three, a nurse, educated, yet always questioning. I vaccinated my children initially because I couldn't see a legitimate reason not to. On down the line, my girls father remarried. She had two kiddos of her own about the same ages as my younger ones. I found out the hard way that she didn't believe in vaccinations. No real reason besides "they have so many side effects". "It's more dangerous to take a vaccination than not to". Well that's a bunch of b******t if you look at any scientific research. Anyways, about this time a "cold" is passed from her kids, to my kids, to me, my mother and sister (who has three young ones), and who knows who else. Turns out to be whooping cough. Not all that dangerous to an older child or a healthy adult. Luckily my kids got better within two weeks. I however had a terrible cough and body aches for four months. Four months! The cough was so bad, I broke two ribs. We were all victims of step mom and her irresponsible behavior
Full Name 6 years ago
Nobody says vaccines aren't 100% effective all the time, but if your kids, you, mom and sis ALL caught it, that doesn't bolster your argument. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you are claiming to know the source, but by your own story of so many people getting it, the ones you are blaming could've got it and passed it on even if vaccinated. Your story is not grounded in logic nor reason. You're passing judgement when the facts don't support it.
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Lyone Fein 6 years ago
I think those who are not vaccinated should go live in a place that is isolated from the rest of us.
Donna Baker 6 years ago
WOW , I can understand yo wanting a natural child birth , That is fantastic, I believe their are way to many cesarean sections, and not for the health of the baby or mom, but for pure profit. I was born in an era where there was not vaccinations for most things. and I had mumps and measles, and knew children that also had other worse childhood diseases , that where crippling. You sure do have a write to choose what you want for you body. but , I think anyone who would choose not to vaccinate your child from going through this kind of torture , is ignorant, , and I have heard in recent years , that these child hood diseases , what we thought was gone , are now suffering. Thanks to people that don't care about their child or someone else's child getting infected again . I would not want to see chicken pox measles, croup, rubella, and others return. But if they do because of you, I hope you enjoy seeing your child go through all these painful diseases. You made the choise.
Chris Sabol 6 years ago
How did her son get the mumps if he was vaccinated? Guess the vaccination doesn't work?
John Shannon 6 years ago
Don't people realize that every condition can be cured by waving a dead chicken over the person?
Janice Paulsen 6 years ago
I am interested in water births. I wonder if it would be possible to see a video of Kat Von D's delivery?
Damian Amberg 6 years ago
So how did he get mumps if he was vaccinated or did I miss part of the story?
Anne de Winnaar 6 years ago
So if the boy was vaccinated and still got mumps (the parents vaccinated like good sheeple), then the vaccine didn't work, did it? Mumps is far easier to manage in a young boy than in a young man.
Amina Hays 6 years ago
Thank you everyone, for saying all those lovely things. Another reason anti vax parents upset me, is their complete disregard for every single person around them. Besides having autism, I also have kidney disease and a bunch of other horrible health problems and therefore my immune system is extremely compromised. I've ended up in hospital on more than one occasion where I caught a cold from someone which has turned into full blown pneumonia. If a little thing like a cold can hospitalise me, I don't want to think about what would happen if I caught something serious from unvaccinated people.
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
I have a question for Caroline Hirons. You say your son was 23 when struck with Mumps? What didn't you get him vaccinated or did it just not work? If it doesn't work then what good is it? If it does work then why are you afraid of a few un-vaccinated people?
zef rose 6 years ago
Please please please, take the time to read as much of the research as you can. Vaccines aren't all bad, but neither are they all good. Besides, the suppliers are interested in profits alone. They don't care about your children. Read something. You'll see that they don't vaccinate their children. Then, if you really want to subject your children to their chemical concoctions, go ahead. If you don't, go ahead. NOBODY has any right at all to force anyone into any particular life decisions. Finally, have a good clear honest look at the world. Look at the actual actions of this country and its leaders. Do you think they are truthful to you? Fine. Do you think they lie to you about anything? Then why do you believe them about anything? Do your own research. I do. I am pro-peace and pro-freedom, and my research has shown me that this country is neither of those things. We are being lied to. About a great many things. Seriously. Wake up.
Nicole Elizabeth 6 years ago
So, if this lady's son was vaccinated, how did he get mumps? Oh, the mumps vaccine is one of the least effective, that requires more boosters, and has a failure threshold greater than what the FDA allows, which is why it is paired with Measles and Rubella, instead of on its own.
Nicole Elizabeth 6 years ago
Vaccination isn't a blanket cure all for all infections and viruses. We just need to be mindful of the risks and benefits. Neither polarized point of view is very helpful.
Load More Replies... Willow 6 years ago
Except...this guy was vaccinated...and he still got the mumps. Hm... Besides that, having a home birth and a midwife and a doula isn't that unusual so stop whining about that. Also, you can't raise a child vegan, especially as a baby. He will need his mother's milk, and when he's really young will be very sickly if she refuses to give him proper nutrition his body needs.
Guybrush Threepwood 6 years ago
Wft what does any of this have ti do with veganism? I'm vegan and I'm 100% for vaccination..
John Cahill 6 years ago
I am happy that Caroline’s son Dan came through this illness and I hope he continues to do well. Had Dan been vaccinated? "You have the unbelievable arrogance of a ‘choice’, because the rest of us responsible people/parents DID vaccinate.” It appears that he had been vaccinated! “Without intensive medical intervention he would not be here,” okay, but the lad had been vaccinated. So what is the point of the story? It does not support vaccines at all, and it may mean that vaccines are irrelevant at best or that the dangers to some of adjuvants (mercury and aluminum) are real. The drama reported may be sadly real, but in the context it is most unfortunate to see it turned into smoke and used to insult mothers.
Cookie 6 years ago
Then someone replied - "We are NOT vaccinated against: Acinetobacter African sleeping sickness (African trypanosomiasis) Trypanosoma brucei AIDS Amebiasis Angiostrongyliasis Angiostrongylus Anisakiasis Anisakis Arcanobacterium haemolyticum infection Argentine hemorrhagic fever Junin virus Ascariasis Aspergillosis Astrovirus infection Babesiosis Bacillus cereus infection Bacterial pneumonia (multiple bacteria) Bacterial vaginosis Bacteroides infection Balantidiasis Bartonellosis Baylisascaris infection Baylisascaris species BK virus infection BK virus Black piedra Blastocystosis Blastomycosis Bolivian hemorrhagic fever Machupo virus Botulism Brazilian hemorrhagic fever Brucellosis Bubonic plague Burkholderia infection Calicivirus infection (Norovirus and Sapovirus) Campylobacteriosis Candidiasis (Moniliasis; Thrush) usually Candida albicans and other Candida species
Cookie 6 years ago
(...con't) Capillariasis Intestinal disease by Capillaria philippinensis, hepatic disease by Capillaria hepatica and pulmonary disease by Capillaria aerophila Carrion´s disease Bartonella bacilliformis Cat-scratch disease Bartonella henselae Cellulitis usually Group A Streptococcus and Staphylococcus Chagas Disease (American trypanosomiasis) Trypanosoma cruzi Chancroid Haemophilus ducreyi Chikungunya Alphavirus Chlamydia Chlamydia trachomatis Chlamydophila pneumoniae infection (Taiwan acute respiratory agent or TWAR) Chlamydophila pneumoniae Cholera Vibrio cholerae Chromoblastomycosis usually Fonsecaea pedrosoi Chytridiomycosis Batrachochytrium dendrabatidis Clonorchiasis Clonorchis sinensis Clostridium difficile colitis Clostridium difficile Coccidioidomycosis Coccidioides immitis and Coccidioides posadasii Colorado tick fever (CTF) Colorado tick fever virus (CTFV) Common cold (Acute viral rhinopharyngitis; Acute coryza) usually rhinoviruses and coronaviruses
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Kara Brocious 6 years ago
It's still amazing how stupid some people are - "people act like vaccines have been around forever, they are unnecessary, what do they think people did before hospitals lol" - uh, they frickin' died in childbirth, 1 in 10 children died before their first birthday in the early 1900s, people died from things like diphtheria, cholera, typhoid, and TB. But, yeah, stick to your electric plant based diet, you frickin' moron.
Kevin Peck 6 years ago
Wow sad! Our son was born with an auto immune disease and had been vaccinated he still got mumps, Scarlet fever, atypical tb and a rash of other things that kept him in the hospital most of his life. He is now 25 and thriving but I am amazed at the amount of folks bashing vaccines. Without them my son would be dead . As far as I know there is no coming back from that. Have faith in the scientist and exceptional people working round the clock to extend our lives .
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Someone who helps a woman during childbirth or abortion.
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snoozy womble 6 years ago
Caroline is a hero quite frankly and her son being alive is a miracle of modern science we nearly lost my cousin a couple of years ago, she is immuno-compromised. Complications of shingles and she nearly died. We don't routinely vaccinate for chicken pox in the UK and shingles is a complication of chicken pox, I can tell you it all goes down hill from there. So imagine the complications of a disease we do vaccinate for. She would be 100% dead. Vaccinate your damn kids or stay away from me and mine.
Pat 6 years ago
There is a reason why researchers developed our vaccines. It was to prevent children from dying or being severely maimed from these diseases. I can remember having both measles and chicken pox. Mumps I didn’t have. I did not want my boys to ever have to suffer from these. We got them the chicken pox vaccine, so now they don’t have to get shingles either.
Ganga Dasi 6 years ago
This post is creating hate between people with different opinions and lifestyles. I dont think bored panda needs such posts :/
Eli Lynch 6 years ago
Kat von D needs to see pictures f ab entire family wiped out. 6,7,8 children all dead within a week of each other. The only picture they had was of them in their coffins. Why? Because they died of diphtheria. A perfectly preventable disease. Ever see someone die of tetanus? In the end your body contorts so much you break your own back. Pertussis is another good one. Babies are STILL dying of this. I used to think she was an amazing person and artist. Her concert level understanding and performance skills on piano are breathtaking l. But this.... I get the veganism. You can raise a child vegan IF YOU'RE CAREFUL. Especially if she's breast feeding. But you do have to make sure your developing infant is getting enough fat for their brain. But not vaccinating? That to me is negligent. How stupid. Natural home birth? Totes get it. Go ahead and enjoy that pain. Hope she doesn't tear. People been giving birth forever. But to not vaccinate?! She has cats, too. Wonder if they're vaccinated.
Leigh Skinner 6 years ago
Was her son ever vaccinated? Considering how she feels, I assume so. In addition, the childhood diseases like mumps, measles, and chicken pox are more dangerous for an adult to come down with. That is why when I was a child in the 60's If a kid hadn't caught them by 8 or 9 years old many parents took their kids to play with a friend suffering from one of them so they would catch them and get it over with. And mumps was the most benign. My mother didn't have to do this with me, as I caught all of them between 4 and 6 years old. And I have lifetime immunity. Shots need boosters every few years.
Sue Prewitt 6 years ago
Before you decide not to vaccinate, go watch a video of a baby with whopping cough. Anyone who could knowingly let their child go through that is a monster, plain and simple
Michelle Thornton 6 years ago
Everyone has the right to their own choices! But, this is an unborn child who’s life will be at risk. All diseases that were once killers are making their way back into our world because people refuse to vaccinate. Now, I’m not a lover of vaccination...but if it saves my children from dealing with these horrid illnesses...so be it! We now live in the 21st century..not the dark ages!
Lynn Noyes 6 years ago
So this woman is against vaccines, but she has spent a lot of time having ink injected into her skin?
Jim Kang 6 years ago
If we had our children the way Cat, states she is at least one of my children would have died at birth. Not having it, f*****g stupid, selfish, self absorbed, people. I truly hope you don't regret you decision,and have an uneventful birth. I am glad we chose a hospital, because not only do we have a 10 year old, but my wife is also alive and well.
AnnaB 6 years ago
Do these militant anti-vaccination moro - oops - people vaccinate their pets? I'm seriously asking the question.
Karen Masters 6 years ago
I really liked Kat, but this is a really bad decision. I really hope she doesn't live to regret it
Floor 6 years ago
I've read somewhere there is a milk sharing program. Meaning that if the vegan mother can't breastfeed, she would use the milk from a woman who can. I'm assuming that's bottled but now I'm not so sure :-o
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
There’s vegan formula too. I think omnivores also milk-share but they probably have separate groups from vegans.
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WellSea7 6 years ago
I hope her birth plans work out for her mine didn't I ended up with two c-sections, one unplanned the second one planned. In reality, not long ago, my first child & I would've died, I'm thankful for medical advances. Non of her choices would be mine but like mine, I guess shes entitled to them. I'm on the fence over vaccinations clearly there are some that do help and some that don't, in my opinion.
Fiona Messenger 6 years ago
Well I don't agree with her at all, but I would vehemently defend her right to say what she wants to say, even if at face value it is arrogance supreme. Remains to be seen if it works out for her. I have nothing in experience to compare it to.
Full Name 6 years ago
Babies started to live past 5 because of basic hygiene understanding, not because of vaccines. Even the tiniest amount of research would've brought you to reconsider that comment. Vaccines are an extremely recent invention, yet humans have been around eons. I'm very sad that 2 other people share your hyperbolic fear.
Load More Replies... diane a 6 years ago
How can you be "openly vegan"? - its your choice and your life - why twittlegrambook it to the world? Just either drink the milk or shut up
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Because so many people attack you for not eating dead animals, when you are vegan.
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Stille20 6 years ago
Generally I try an ignore the self righteous parenting rants, because they come from a place of fear. Fear that you are not going to be a good parent. However, not vaccinating is based on one paper that even the writer admitted was false; so that's ignorant. Also you are endangering everyone around your child with comprised immune systems; so that selfish.
Emiri-chan 3 years ago
Update: Kat Von D said that she was unaware about vaccines but has then reassured that she isn't anti vaxx: https://www.insider.com/kat-von-d-says-shes-not-anti-vaxxer-2020-3
Demos Kyprianou 6 years ago
No issue if people want to go vegan. However as Caroline said, not vaccinating risks other people's health and the literature around not vaccinating is nonsense. It also shows ignorance around how vaccinations cam about. If people read the history of vaccinations and understand it, then they should change their minds. If your story Caroline is not enough to put an end to this nonsense, nothing will except being mandated by law which I think should now be the case. Not vaccinating should be considered a crime against the child and society.
Jean Jenns 6 years ago
Its so sad (the anti vaxxers) and SO arrogant. Read up on "herd immunity"....that is why "they" are so dangerous to "us" and our kids. It is NOT "all about them"....and the ignorant, arrogant tattoo artist is as stupid as she can possibly be. She and her kid can be as vegan as they want, I have no problem with that, its her own choice (and her kid's life is "hers" until he/she gets old enough to rebel and fight back, which judging by her statements will be as soon as she/he can!) Lets guess, out of her house by age ?
Osama Khan 6 years ago
I see you want to be different, you like to think outside the box, you want to be you and not like anybody else, but these diseases are not going anywhere, it’s like risking your child to polyo, mumps etc. Choosing what to eat is totally up to you, not sure if you could do that with milk as the most nutrient milk is the mother’s milk. I have questions 🤔. Anyways love you kat bless you. Be wise.
Rose the Cook 6 years ago
Remember the old adage "there is no such thing as bad publicity". This woman has achieved her aim, everyone is talking about her.
Marius Jan 6 years ago
So she basically said to her 18+ millions followers that she's a stupid b***h who risks her baby to die from a totally preventable disease or from a complication during a medically unsupervised birthgiving. Great! Sucg people shouldn't reproduce either way.
Raven McMains 6 years ago
If you keep children are vaccinated and you believe vaccines work, why the fear of a new nvaccinated child? Some child can not be vaccinated, so ok to discriminate against them?
Ileana Sky Aviles 6 years ago
I am a KatVD fan and am disappointed at her smug, ill informed comments about vaccinations. My brother and I were vaccinated against polio but our cousin, who was the same age, had parents that believed the same as Kat, chose not to vaccinate him. We left and moved to a different area and 15 years later returned to visit. My parents explained things to us beforehand but there was no words to discribe what we saw. Our cousin got polio. He never learned to walk, talk and spent his life in bed with arms and legs twisted. His mental capacity was like a 2 year old. We were devastated to see him in this condition. It is heartbreaking and sadly he passed away shortly after that. This is a terrible disease that can take lives and is preventable through vaccination. I wish Kat well and hopefully she will never know what it's like to see someone suffer from this.
missie Torrance 6 years ago
If she wont vaccinate her kids, legally she cannot send her kids to school here--because her kids would pick up polio,and other bad disease,go to school,itd get carried everywhere on kids.--even old people and those with weak immune systems can't have un-vaccinated little disease carriers all over Disney Land--she is allowing OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS TO GET SICK.ASK yerr doctor.
Shawn Ruester 6 years ago
Not vaccinating is bad altogether. It will promote illnesses that were otherwise almost completely wiped out and may even bring back something as serious as the black plague (yes I know it was carried by flees but traveled very quickly through people). Seriously anti-vacciners are putting everyone at risk not just themselves. I used to like watching her and well this totally changes my opinion of her altogether.
Frances M 6 years ago
My dad doesnt believe in vaccinations so I had none. I’m also partially deaf from rubella (German measles) as a baby. My hubby also didn’t get all his vaccinations and had mumps as a child. He was scared he was infertile as a result as we had trouble having kids. My neighbours grandchild caught meningitis as a tiny baby and I was terrified for her but so happy that my kids had been vacccinated against it. All my kids have every vaccine going and if more come out then I’ll make them get that too.
Denis Lliiggaannooww 6 years ago
Why dying in ICU is better? Everyone is excited about their upcoming 80-s?
Gail Agasi 6 years ago
My 15 year old daughter wasn’t feeling well. We decided to take her to the hospital. She walked in with us, into the emergency room. Two and a half hours later, she died. Bacterial meningitis, killed her. Another name for this killer, is, meningococcal septicemia. This happened 24 years ago. Her death and the deaths of others, spurred the doctors and and scientists, to research and find a good vaccine, against this horrible disease. My child was among many children and adults who were infected by this sickness. Some died and some didn’t. However, most survivors had their legs amputated, as a life saving procedure. Parents, who don’t want their children to be vaccinated, should review that statistics of deaths or severe lifelong conditions, before vaccines were available. Children and adults, died or were paralyzed from, measles, polio, diphtheria, meningococcal meningitis, influenza and other diseases. There bacteria, are still with us. Don’t risk your children’s lives!
Sylvia Genders 6 years ago
As long as vaccines contain mercury, aluminum and egg albumin (and now some use human fetal tissues), I am against them. This lady had her son for 23 years: mine went deeply autistic after his MMR vaccination. It happens enough that people need to think this through, and Big Parma and the FDA need to make changes because they know all about this growing problem.
Debra Starr Moon 6 years ago
There are no DEFINITIVE links to autism or anything else from vaccines. Only those who BELIEVE this to be true, absent concrete medical proof. However, the danger from catching measles or mumps or any other preventable diseases is REAL. They can and do kill. More people have died from those diseases than from a vaccination. To force an infant into that risk group is unconscionably narrow-minded and selfish. I hope she changes her mind after OBJECTIVE research, not just reading inflammatory articles that tell her what she wants to hear.
Anne McGill 6 years ago
My Mom was quarantined as a child for over a month. I don't know what she had (she is gone now) but whatever it was, caused permanent heart damage. Her Father and siblings had to move out of the house, groceries had to be delivered, no one except doctors and nurses were allowed to visit. Now imagine that Gramma had a choice, but chose not to vaccinate. Imagine how awful it would feel to have chosen to let your child become sick and then they become seriously ill when you could have easily prevented it. I know that in my Mom's case that is not what happened, but this is what all of the anti-vaxxers are risking, I could never do that to a child, heck I couldn't take that chance with my dogs. Shame on them.
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a vaccine? Have you really?
Just another panda 6 years ago
Being a vegan doesn't make you an anti-vaxer, just as being an anti-vaxer doesn't make you a vegan. I think there is some confusion in these comments, so wanted to clear this up.
Joannie Goulet 6 years ago
Even if this "vaccines cause autism" b******t was true (spoiler: it's not) I'd rather have an autistic child than a dead child.
Vanda Forisky 6 years ago
Could not care less what she does with her kid. They always told me to make a birth plan which I found ridiculous. You can not plan birth. I wish her good luck with the home birth but I hope she doesn’t run into complications.
Wojciech Dziedzic 6 years ago
I love how regardless of the fact that the doctor who created this modern anti-vaccine movement already came out and said that he was paid to spread lies by an insurance company this idiots still believe vaccines aren't good for their children and cause autism...
Amina Hays 6 years ago
Thank you everyone for saying my autism wasn't caused by vaccines. I already know this but it's nice to have people in my corner. People who think vaccines cause autism are morons.
Lynda Johnson 6 years ago
I only wish that the nurses and doctors gave clear details of the ingredients used and side affects. When I did my homework I was told to look on line. Most of the ingredients used were toxic to humans and the side affects were many. Potentially compromising a healthy immune system. I was told to give my baby vit k because babies had died from internal bleeding and yet no evidence was provided of these cases or the numbers who had died. Pharmaceutical manufacturers are the ones who produce the research in their favour and sell their products based in fear. Whilst many lives have been saved using a range of natural and pharmaceutical products. We should be free to make our own choices based on solid research Too many people are stuck in fear and just listen to doctors. Do they think they have ALL the answers? No. Do your homework and research.
Kayci Rush 6 years ago
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2015/02/04/measles-is-just-the-start-whooping-cough-outbreaks-are-on-the-rise-too/
Çhïräñjït Gøgøî 6 years ago
If i m not wrong vegan dnt use any animal products...i dnt know much..bt i jst want to know whether she will be feeding her baby her own milk or not?
Marlene Jones 6 years ago
So when her kid comes down with say, measles, mumps, chicken pox or whatever who will she blame? It will be her fault if her child dies from one of these diseaes or has permanent brain damage. Good luck with your new baby and its childhood diseases it is sure to acquire. You lady are one huge dumbass. I am 69 yrs old and i have had all these diseases. They are not fun...you like seein your kid with 103 fevers? Or hurting so much they cry all night. Or they are scratchin so much they cant sleep and have to wear gloves to keep from bleeding? Yeah go ahead and dont vaccinate your little one, the. Watch it suffer. Egotistical a*s.
Anilda 6 years ago
Even just the choice of birth is a huge risk...friends almost lost baby and mom...baby has brain damage now, hopefully it will only be epileptic. For the diet, be my guest, ensure to take enough suppliments for vitamin shortages... though living in what the world sees as a 3rd world country, trust me your child needs all the help they can get to be safe agains the virusses around us every day.
Leizel Verbel 6 years ago
Yet another reason not to go to the US. Want to keep me and loved ones healthy and away from diseases that were gone for good. Thank you antivaxxers and hope soon countries require proper vaccination to travel, will laugh my a*s off all of those crazy idiots!
Lisa Stone 6 years ago
I don't what other state's policies are but in NYS, you have to have certain vaccinations to be able to attend school. So she will home-school her children just because she refuses to vaccinate them?
Tara James 6 years ago
What if her perfectly planned home birth goes wonky like mine did with my first child (so common!)? What’s she going to say if there’s no more choices but a rushed trip to the hospital, induction meds, an epidural and the possibility of a c section. Life, more often than not, doesn’t go to plan. I just hope her child stays healthy and disease free.
Jeny Kennedy 6 years ago
She's making all us witchy, weirdo, tattoo artists look bad. She got whiny when she got famous. She used to be chubby...and way cooler.
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
Why do celebrities post something and then say if you don't agree don't bother writing anything? What happen to Free Speech? One of several reasons I do not like listening to celebrities posting their opinions about anything (especially politics) is because there are a lot of stupid people in America that believe just because a celebrity said something it must be true! God would not have given the gift of medical knowledge and healing to doctors if he didn't want them to use their gift. Doctors spend years in school, medical school, internship, residency and some even fellowships, but I'm sure Kat von D knows more. I was 22 when I had my son in a birthing room at the hospital, things change in an instant. I was happy to have a doctor and I never questioned, never thought twice about his vaccinations when it came time. I was protecting my baby!
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
Why is it that celebrities can dish out their idiotic opinions, but immediately tell you if you disagree not to bother to respond? It's exactly why I don't think they should be allowed to speak about politics or anything important because their are people in America just as stupid as they are and will listen to them just for the fact they are famous. God would not have given doctors the wisdom and the knowledge of medicine if he didn't want us to use it, especially to protect our babies and they are our babies no matter how old they get. Doctors went to years of school, medical school, intership, residency and some onto fellowships, but yes let's listen to a tattoo artist because she knows better for that baby. Iy should be considered child endangerment!
Eulalie Grace 6 years ago
I'm all for more natural remedies and physical therapy instead of just popping a pill or slicing and dicing your body. There is a lot to be said for many alternative treatments. But when it comes to my child's wellbeing, I take no chances. I do genealogy requests and sometimes go into cemeteries to get information. Many of the older places have children's areas. The number of graves is sad, and there are plots were siblings are all together. And most of the dates are from before many vaccines. That says it all. Negative reactions do occur. We lost a young family member who had a bad reaction and, yes, it was from vaccines. And it was sudden and devastating. I'm NOT making light of her death, but that's the way most childhood was before we learned to fight horrible killing and crippling diseases. I do not want to return to those good old days.
Christina Sersif 6 years ago
What's the most haunting disgusting thing about most of these "anti vaccinators" are they'd rather bury a child than have a child with autism. The thing is VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM. Caps for the people in the back
Wendy Grant 6 years ago
In Africa, measles is the single biggest killer of children. Measles! A childhood disease for which vaccines are available. Vaccinate, people! Polio had been eradicated before the no vaccine brigade began to get traction. Now it's back.
El Dragonata 6 years ago
People like Kat Von D shouldn't have children. If she wants to live her tinfoil lifestyle, so be it, but she shouldn't inflict her dangerous and woefully ill-informed practices on the defenceless, i.e. her unborn child. She's awful. I already feel sorry for her child being born to such a dumb motherfunker of a human being – and it hasn't even been born yet.
Mada Grinci 6 years ago
If her son was vaccinated how come he got sick? Isn’t that the whole point of being vaccinated to not get sick? Or does this make the vaccine useless, considering he got sick even though he was vaccinated as a child. Just a random thought.
Revital Shapira 6 years ago
Unfortunately, there is no vaccination against stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me that people just ignore all the million of lives that were saved during the 100 and something years mass vaccination is done in western societies, and instead focus on side effects that are not scientifically proven and only appear in biased and unprofessional "research". I wish she was living in a 3rd world country and "enjoying" vaccine free, drug free, and medicine free life.
Cassandra Killjoy 6 years ago
Anti-vaccinators make me so angry. Not vaccinating your kid is not only putting your kid in danger, but also everyone who comes in contact with your kid. Vaccines only work if everyone uses them. My mother is an extremely sick person. She has a multitude of auto-immune diseases and a terrible immune system. She is bed-ridden 95% of the time and barely leaves the house. Getting a cold sets her back months, sometimes a year. Every time I hear about this sort of thing it kinda feels like a massive f**k you.
MissFrizzle 6 years ago
This pisses me off and I will never watch Kat VonD again. Idiot. You are a tattoo artist. You know NOTHING. You know what I am? A public school teacher. When I find out your kid hasn't been vaccinated, I want your kid to stay the hell away from me and the rest of my students because your kid is a walking time-bomb. Homeschool your kid if you think you know best. My niece has DiGeorge Syndrome. It's a chromosome defect that effects learning, swallowing, growth, and most importantly, the immune system. My niece CAN'T receive vaccines because the vaccines would kill her. She had virtually no immune system so in order to live a "normal" life, she relies on "herd immunity." Have you heard of that, oh Genius Tattoo Artist? ItImeans,
MissFrizzle 6 years ago
It means, her life literally depends on the people around her to be vaccinated. OR SHE WILL DIE if she catches mumps, measles, chicken pox, etc. She CAN'T be vaccinated so she NEEDS everyone around her to be vaccinated. You think big pharma is making bank on your child's immunizations and that they're worthless? God you are stupid. Polio has been eradicated from the United States because of vaccines. Now what if everyone just "chose not to vaccinate"? An epidemic is what would happen. Children would get sick and die all over the place and the lifespan of a person would go back to being 40 years old (which isn't actually a bad thing since those were the idiots who didn't vaccinate-natural selection I guess).
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Caroline Driver 6 years ago
I can't quite see the connection between having a water birth and a doula, or even being vegan, with believing bollocks based on an original lie about vaccination.
Louise Brigance 6 years ago
I don't give a damn if you vaccinate your kid or not...just keep them the hell away from mine. AND if your advertising your ill advised decision, you are not seeking advice, well meaning or otherwise. YOU want people to tell you either your SO brave, noble, and courageous or that you are making a mistake and jeopardizing your family and other people's families. YOU want the attention so you can say Look at me!! Do all of us a favor and STFU your're being an attention grabbing whore.
Susan Parsolano 6 years ago
I think she needs to do more research. I do not understand how people can come to the conclusion that NOT vaccinating their children is a good thing? Of course there are exceptions d/t allergies, lower immune systems, and other medical conditions. But the information out there from reputable, educated, scientific studies, pediatricians, nurses, and scientists all prove that vaccinating our children is good for them and good for society as a whole. I think it may be that our society is much more self centered these days. We are all so connected electronically but so disconnected personally. It's sad. I hope that she will continue to do research and learn from educated medical professionals and realize that what is "cool" may not be what is right. All natural IS NOT always the safest way to go. Be smart people. Use your brain and the plethora of reliable information available to you... and also think how your actions affect not only you but all those around you.
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
Hepatitis is not only a sexually transmitted disease. There is Hep A, Hep B, Hep C, Hep D
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
Viruses change over time. I was vaccinated as a kid and chose to get re-vaccinated as an adult in my 30's because I worked in a large hospital. We knew whooping cough had been on the rise in the US and started seeing adults become very ill from it. I am thankful I was vaccinated again. The disease presents as a cold because it doesn't get a chance to reach its full potential with antibodies already circulating.
Diana Hockley 6 years ago
Take a walk around the older areas of cemeteries and read the ages of the children on the headstones. Then think about what could happen if these diseases get hold again! The diseases are STILL AROUND and people who don't vaccinate their kids are opening the door WIDE.
Michelle Line 6 years ago
But how can you raise a vegan baby? What will you feed a newborn... carrot juice? Milk is NOT a vegan product, even human milk. So if mommy is going to breast feed, then she is not raising her baby as a vegan.
Jacquie Gariano 6 years ago
I feel you have the right to have a birth as you want it and raise your child Vegan or any other diet you want. But you don't have the "right" to kill me or my children by not getting your child vaccines as needed. You put every other child and compromised person at high risk. You are self-serving and self-righteous and dumb. And unfortunitely will influence others to listen to bad information regarding life saving vaccines.
Cheryl Gaston 6 years ago
If you choose to listen to a tatoo artist with no medical or scientific training, then keep your kids at home and away from those too young or too weak to be vaccinated. This is a truly a selfish and unreasonable choice. The childhood diseases for which we have vaccines can be very dangerous, are proven to have led to deaths, and THEY WORK! Folks, this is a dangerous fad among people who do not understand the choices they make. I don't care what you eat, but leave the medical decisions to those who know. Vaccinations do not cause autism and are not part of a corporate conspiracy. I wonder how you will react if your child gets spinal meningitis as a complication from chicken pox. In the years before a chicken pox vaccine, one of my neighbor's children -- just a kindergartner -- died from that. And, to the idiot commenter who is nostalgic about ancient times and asks what "they" did before vaccines, the answer is THEY DIED.
Christine Bandaly 6 years ago
I am very sorry Caroline suffered with her ill son and I don't really know Kat but what I do know is this is her child, her life and your bullcrap opinions are just that - bullcrap. I love meat and am not vegan but because I have Lupus my adult children have never been vaccinated. They are healthier than most adult's I know. I am not anti vac but I do question why we lead the world in vac's and why do we have to give our kids so many. I do believe that they are causing side effects that we didn't have when we gave half the vac's we do now. Just putting in out there.
Fayette Hauser 6 years ago
For someone like Kat Von D who lives in a large city and comes in intimate contact with many people on a daily basis due to her occupation, I think it's insane not to vaccinate. I also think that imposing one's adult life choices on a young infant or child who is unable to make choices of their own is grossly unfair. Vegan diets are highly restrictive and can possible not provide enough nutrition for a growing baby/child. Kat Von D is a healthy adult probably because her parents not only vaccinated her but also gave her a well-rounded nutritional diet when she was growing up.
Crouching_Penn_Hidden_Teller@yahoo.com 6 years ago
who the hell is Kat Von D and why should I care about anything she does?
Kim Lorton 6 years ago
Woman, she could lose her child in the womb, or the child could be born with severe birth defects. So, Kat Von Dee, do your research. But do it all, thoroughly. What can happen to others if exposed to your unvaccinated child, and what could happen to your own child. And I’m pretty sure, schools now insist a child be vaccinated before being allows to enroll, so plan on homeschooling your child. Yourself. Because someone that homeschools or tutors kids? Won’t want to expose their kids or families or themselves to an unvaccinated child. I also wouldn’t be surprised, that if your child’s unvaccinated state, kills or causes the death of someone, a lawyer somewhere, will make a move to prove you are at fault, because after studying ALL the facts, decided not to vaccinate, and that choice, caused the death of someone or their child. And since you’ve put this choice out there, to the public, well, you just might be at fault. As far as vegan choices! Go for it! I think that is great.!
Kim Lorton 6 years ago
As a nurse, I see the effects of what not vaccinating a child can do. Mumps, measles and German measles, can kill. Sure you’re kid may be fine, but when your kid is ok, and exposes my kid, who isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet, my kid could die! These common and deadly childhood diseases will also render any adult , sterile and males more than females. So, if your kid manages to make it to adult good, with no vaccines, and is exposed to one of these illnesses, by another unvaccinated kid, your son, will likely become sterile, so, no grandkids for you. Or children for him. Annie’s can die, so don’t be stupid, protect your child and others kids, and vaccinate your children, or.. feel free to go live somewhere else and share the diseases with other unvaccinated children and adults. I am a baby boomer. And I had all these childhood illnesses, measles, mumps and German measles. Another issue is, if your child who is unvaccinated, is exposed and comes in contact with a pregnant
Peter Kovak 6 years ago
This lady might be a very gifted artist and make wonderful tattoos. There is only one problem: she's not a doctor and not a dietary advisor. To decide without a proper education how her unborn child's metabolism will work...well, in my humble opinion that's at least insane.
Christina Gude 6 years ago
I am opposed to no vaccinations having lived in a "third world" country where so many "sported" pox all over their once beautiful (well, urrrr...still) faces. They were the lucky ones who didn't die of smallpox, which, incidentally has been wiped out, now. Further, I had had 3 kids already with little to no birth complications and had them all naturally and decided perhaps a home birth was in order. So glad that didn't happen as we almost lost our son who spent 10 days (on a respirator) in NICU and would have lost him had we gone ahead with the home birth. Phew!!! The "only" repercussions from that experience is that he lost some of his hearing and now wears hearing aids to boost what he has left. We'll never know the reason behind that loss but at least that's all that was lost. Otherwise he's a strong and by all accounts a handsome 30-something now that often stands to remind me of what could have been a disastrous decision.
Christine Funt 6 years ago
Since Kat vonD is a public figure and she made a public statement, she can't tell others not to comment on her statement. Kat, have you been vaccinated? Are you willing to keep your child away from everyone to keep her/him safe?
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
There are no long term studies on how vaccinations cause cancer or what it does to us in the long term.
Marta Pająk 6 years ago
Why didn't they look at vegans, who are successful sportpeople now? They break world records in various disciplines, they are healthy, happy and morally fine at the same time. Why do people still confuse naming a diet with having a balanced diet? And what about those who are struggling to keep their children alive or going because they suffer from after-vaccination side-effect? It is not fair to show one side of the story, isn't it?
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Because omnivores get their feelings hurt when they find out that they won’t die without meat. Anything to keep the snowflakes from melting.
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Melinda Burge 6 years ago
Oh wow - I could say so much about this. Modern people in my country don't remember what it is like to have family members die of mumps and such diseases. If you go to poorer countries, you realize how lucky we are to have vaccinations! As much as I love Kat Von D and her make-up, I am with the pro-vax Mum on this one.
Christine M Quigley 6 years ago
We depend on 'herd immunity' more than you think..Most people don't remember polio, but it killed a lot of kids. Diphtheria- you choke to death. Pertussis- cough constantly until you start breaking your ribs. And it will kill a newborn. Selfish is the right word.
Renee Johnson 6 years ago
If she is Rh negative and the baby is positive, will she also refuse the Rhogam shot to keep from having future miscarriages or children who are injured by her own blood fighting what it sees as an invader to her body?
Sally Appleton 6 years ago
"People act like vaccines have been around forever, they are unnecessary, what do they think people did before hospitals" Uhm.. They died during childbirth. I think that's the point.
Bianca Du Toit 6 years ago
I think anti-vaxxers are complete dumbasses who shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
KT Trondsen 6 years ago
What a foolish woman. She thinks not vaccinating is the answer to healthy living? That is insane and completely the opposite. I hated vaccinating my kids because of all the tears and the way they looked at me afterwards :(. But I did it because it is what's best for their health.
Jason Hommel 6 years ago
So, the mom that "shut her down" vaccinated her kid, who still got the mumps? And the people who refuse vaccines, because they don't work, are the problem? I fail to see how this utter logic fail shuts down the antivaxxers.
Teresa Martins 6 years ago
Imagine your child losing his life, knowing that a vaccine could've saved his life!! Polio and many diseases have been irradiated as a result of vaccines....
Allie Fujito 6 years ago
Is there a difference between the minority of people who have terrible, even deadly reactions to vaccines, and the even smaller minority of people who have dangerous complications from mumps? It was only 55-60 years ago when EVERYONE got mumps, and IT WAS CONSIDERED A VERY MILD BUT ANNOYING INFECTION. It was primarily seen in children, not adults, not infants. Infants were born with a few years of passive immunity conferred by their UNVACCINATED mothers, who had had mumps themselves as children. Mumps deaths were unheard of; there are no listings in the US National Vital Statistics Records of mumps deaths. Complications were rare. So why would we think Caroline Hirons is "shutting down" Kat, when mumps is a mild infection for 99+% of the population? She should be angry with Merck, who is now being sued by their own virologists, who allege that they were forced to falsify efficacy data for the mumps portion of the MMR -- perhaps why it failed her son
Lois Matelan 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before vaccines?" PEOPLE DIED; THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DID. If you look at rates of mortality--especially of young children, before vaccines were developed, you will see the obvious and overwhelming truth that VACCINES SAVE LIVES.
Lois Matelan 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before vaccines?" PEOPLE DIED; THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. The evidence is overwhelming that VACCINES SAVE LIVES. Please don't risk your baby's life and health because you are ill-informed.
Maria Ofar 6 years ago
remember when bored panda had a civilised, non biased conversation on a divisive subject that wasn't bought out by popular opinion? nah, me either. enjoy your unnecessary toxins
Vicky Krupnik 6 years ago
I honestly can'tsay that the way things are in today's society that if I were having a baby, I would get those vaccines. There is a reason why so many babies are being born and diagnosed with Autism. It is occurring way too often. There are SO MANY THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
Laugh Fan 6 years ago
The autism MMR link has been thoroughly disproved now by physicians and scientists. Andrew Wakefield was found guilty by the General Medical Council of serious professional misconduct in May 2010 and was struck off the Medical Register. Wakefield's paper re the link between MMR and autism was described as "perhaps, the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years". Deadly diseases are now returning because people aren't being vaccinated. Vaccines are made of dead or weakened antigens. The immune system creates anti-bodies to protect the vaccinated person. You have been protected by herd immunity - which is now being eradicated due to misinformation. Knowledge saves lives but anecdotal BS kills.
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Pale Panda 6 years ago
A baby in Belgium died because his parent wanted to raise it vegan. Babies need milk.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Vegan babies get milk from their mom, snowflake.
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Barbette Spitler 6 years ago
This woman is sharing her son's experience... which could happen to anyone. Mumps is not a fatal disease. It seldom causes a hospital experience. However, in this case, coupled with dehydration, maybe a poor diet and who knows what else was going on with him before the virus hit... his health sufferred. If Mom is a vaxxer, he was vaccinated with the MMR. So the vaccine failed him. His overall health failed him. There is more to this than just the mumps and more to his story than some anti-vaxer caused this!
Robert Wiersema 6 years ago
It should also be noted that putting a child on a vegan diet could cause death. Not to mention a lifetime of health problems after suffering malnutrition as a child. Low blood pressure, iron deficiency and poor muscle development is not what you want for your child.
Ruth Beaty 6 years ago
I'm not anti-vacc, my kids had them all except the chicken pox (wasn't around when they were little), wish they could have small pox but you can't get one for it because it is supposedly "eradicated". I had mumps, measles, and chicken pox as a child because there were no vaccines then, but my parents at least took us to get the smallpox and polio vaccines. These are horrible diseases, and they are not benign by any definition of the word. Do your research and see how many people died or had had medical conditions even though they survived the diseases. And worst of all, even though my kids had the vaccines, one of my sons still had mumps twice, just not as severe as it would have been without the vaccines. Turns out mumps are a glandular infection and you can possibly still have them.
Jack Feuerstein 6 years ago
Seriously, someone needs to just come to her house Jehova's witnesses style and not leave until she is actually educated. I can't stand people like this. I didn't know that measles actually started to come back because of her. I'll gladly "f%&$ off" when her son dies a probably slow and painful death from a disease she likely could have vaccinated against. People that are so drunk on the joy of an "unpopular opinion" or some c**p that are also unfortunately famous get to spread these ideas that they know better than countless scientists' entire careers and people follow because 'muh famous person said'.
Grumble O'Pug 6 years ago
To me the most selfish part of anti-vaxxers is that the lack of care given to those who _can't_ vaccinate their children due to illness or immune issues. It is so selfish and disgusting. The ignorance and moronic prattle just drives me nuts.
Jade Hendry 6 years ago
People who do not vaccine their children should be charged with child abuse and endangering the public, because that what it is.
Jade Hendry 6 years ago
Damn those antiboitics for curing the f*****g plague, damn those vaccines for curing the mumps, rubella, and all that other nastiness. Seriously, people who dont vaccinate their kids, should NOT be allowed to parent. It is, in essence, child abuse.
Caroline Murphy 6 years ago
Our whole family were vaccinated and out of all of us only one of my aunt's has autism
Riccardo Sabatini 6 years ago
Electrical plants are supposed to be like One Piece Devil Fruits, I guess.
Csaba Hegedűs 6 years ago
Kat Von D's own words: "So your bad comments are not going to influence me - actual research and education will - shich I am diligently doing." Only I see a controversy here?
Elegant Vandalism 6 years ago
Wasn't there a case recently where some parents had their son taken away from them because they were raising him vegan, and he was so malnourished and sick? I'm all for living a healthy/cruelty free life, but not at the risk of the child who a) needs all the vitamins and minerals needed to grow up strong and healthy and b) the child who isn't old enough yet to make their own informed choices and relies on the parent who brings them into this world to care for them and nurture them... Even the neanderthal man ate meat and drank dairy when he/she could....
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
You get all the vitamins and minerals you need from plants. The child in question just wasn’t fed right but omnivores hopped on this because they need to justify the killing of animals. They forgot about the millions of neglected and malnourished omnivorous children.
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Paul Mitchell 6 years ago
People put that s****y tattooing ink into their bodies that has never been checked for anything ever and yet refuse to be vaccinated? I don't usually swear, but what the f**k?
Justin Ray 6 years ago
God people are stupid..... Anti vaccination policies are garbage. This is in the same vein as those videos where someone puts a phone in the microwave to charge it. Its not going to have the results you think and there will be catastrophic consequences. Seriously i am being pranked right now I hope. Is this a new internet challenge? Lets play the "get a child killed by smallpox challenge"? You know what how about she does the tide pod challenge to. Doctors and scientists have told you that not vaccinating your children could kill them. Just like they have told you that eating tide pods could kill them. But i dont see you eating tide pods to prove them wrong. Please PLEASE prove them wrong. Maybe youll win a darwin award for it.
Connie Martin 6 years ago
Yah, well, a doula ain't going to do you much good if you have complications like uncontrolled bleeding.
CM Blaser 6 years ago
There's a reason we don't put tattoo artists in charge of the pediatric ward: you have to have training and the ability to think critically and assess the risk to reward ratio.Practicing crackpot medicine will get your child dead or damaged, no matter who is making the bad decisions. Rethink this mom.
Tammy Mackay 6 years ago
Yet another ignorant celebrity trumpeting the antivacc idiocy. Forget science and go for the numbers. Vaccination levels are at an all time low but autism diagnoses are increasing, cases of preventable diseases are on the rise and subsequent deaths from those diseases are at an all time high. Now look at several areas in Africa where polio has been eliminated by vaccination and on a worldwide scale we seem to have completely wiped out smallpox. Celebrity obviously doesn’t guarantee intelligence or the ability to do some proper research, nor does it keep their stupid mouths shut.
Random Panda 6 years ago
Exactly. And the thing with autism cases increasing is probably because of improved methods of diagnosing it. Modern life is so chaotic compared to before and a lot harder to navigate for such people. Some decades ago someone autistic would have been considered just a bit weird.
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I this broad doesn't want to be "judged", then why is she posting her opinions all over social media? Just keep your nutty ideas to yourself!
Michele Grzywacz 6 years ago
Ahhhh, remember the time when we didn't have to listen to every nutbags idea of raising a child free of civilization? If Kat von D wants to spew her personal beliefs all over then she should expect the deluge of s**t coming back. Why do you think anyone gives AF about your beliefs?
Lynne Darroch 6 years ago
Well I tweeted at her to consider being responsible and working for the greater good, rather than being another bourgeois with "personal choice." That'll fix 'er I'm sure.
Ingela Ambreen 6 years ago
She doesn't have to vaccinate... But then she'll have to deal with the kid catching something and being sick
Aunt Messy 6 years ago
And she will be a murderer if any other kids die because of her little disease vector.
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Kenny Kulbiski 6 years ago
Have you tried to hire a good witch doctor lately? Or find a Ram to sacrifice? Guess I'll have to take a chance on modern science.
diane a 6 years ago
the Polio Myelitis immunisation wasnt even an injection - i clearly remember the pink sugar lump
Maria Maria 6 years ago
It can be either oral or injection depending on various factors.
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i got measles mumps and chicken pox as a child - I luckily survived - i had all the innoculations going at the time - there was a chance the MMR vaccine gave me mumps but I got through it - i didnt get too seriously ill- although it was bad for a 7 year old - glandular fever was worse - but there isnt a vaccination for that
Iapetos 6 years ago
Interesting. I don't think I know anyone who had problems with vaccines.
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Aunt Messy 6 years ago
She doesn't really have good ink, though. It's all cliches and tacky c**p.
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Fiona Buoninfante 6 years ago
I just want to say as an RN while I just want to scream when another privileged white person thinks they know everything, I find these articles comments section much like this one is overwhelmed by smart people who understand how important vaccinations are for babies not just to protect said baby, but to protect those who cannot receive vaccines due to immune issues, etc....I work in NYC and I can tell you Doctors and Nurses think these people are idiots. Somehow I think even if you sat this lady down and explained "herd immunity" being the reason these diseases were almost eradicated and are now creeping back, she wouldn't listen I am so refreshed by all of your comments thank you all for knowing what the fu** you're talking about.
Full Name 6 years ago
You put "privileged white person" in the first line, haha. WTF?! You silly SJW's. You read something about someone's opinion on vaccinations and you open with their bank account and skin colour? You self loathing racist, geez.
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Valerie Dalian 6 years ago
Some vaccination avoid death, it is as simply as that, because certain disease have no cure at all !! I really do hope she believes in God becasue she will need His supernatural intervention to protect the kid..
Chelle Snail 6 years ago
I agree with Caroline. So glad her son is ok. I am dead against anti-vaxxers for similar reasons. I have caught horrible things all because dumb people don't vaccinate or keep themselves clean in terms of not sneezing or coughing all over public spaces. Go to hell Kat Von, I got no respect for you, selfish cow.
Nina B 6 years ago
I think she might get a rude awakening soon or later in her childs life, of course I hope her child never have to get sick or nothing happens to either mom and child. BUT I am still against this, a vegan diet can only work if she cooperate with a doctor who monitor the babys health and what the baby need. And anti vaxxers have such a a lack of information, it is sad. It is such a bad image to spread to your fans and on to your own child who dont get a say in it at all, because you already have decided how your child shall live. Vaccinations have preventet seriously deadly diseases spreading, polio and measles are nearly as deadly in the western world as it was, I HAVE NEVER heard of polio or measles claiming a life in my country as an example. AND many have compromised imunne systems or cant take vacinations because of allergys - here herd immunity is KEY to protect those... This whole thing and statement makes me just sad and angry, Kat Von D could have easily not have posted this.
Friedrich Schulz 6 years ago
She is one STUPID b***h to skip vaccinations on her kid , but then again, who are we to stop her... Her kid will die an AGONIZING death from a preventable disease , and Darwin cleans the gene pool of the stupid!!!!! its a win - win for the human race!!!!! 19437416_1...e7d635.jpg 
Friedrich Schulz 6 years ago
She is one STUPID b***h! But then again if her kids die an Agonizing death from preventable diseases, Darwin cleans the gene pool & we all win , so stopping her from killing her kids that way would be a bad thing as it removes STUPID from the gene pool... 19437416_1...d9b7bf.jpg 
Eshaa Venkatesh 6 years ago
The person who left the "namaste" after her tweet is an even bigger idiot than Kat Von D! B*tch my people invented the word and even we vaccinate our kids! For all the ancient knowledge and natural medicine, even the poor in our country know that it is really important to vaccinate. Having seen a family member contract and suffer with Polio, not vaccinating is too big a risk to take. The world has managed to end many epidemics thanks to everyone vaccinating, it takes one stupid self-righteous idiot like Kat Von Don to take civilization back a couple hundred years.
Renee Pina 6 years ago
wow some response are so triggered. i had vaccines and didn't stop me from getting mumps as a child so much bs!
Sally Lindberg 6 years ago
She will risk her baby and other people for her ignorance if she goes through with the no vaccine nonsense! The theory she thinks is ok regarding the dangers of vaccines has been disproven beyond ANY doubts! Don't be stupid, lady.
Anna Cedervall 6 years ago
People who are against vaccines simply dont know enugh about biology. They take "advice" from others rather then looking up facts. I Wonder how many sick/ dead people it takes before they stop with the trend "everything in modern medicin is bad".
CC Hogan 6 years ago
The idiotic anti-vacs often forget another really important point about vaccinations. They not only prevent or reduce the chance of your own child getting a potentially deadly or disabling disease, but they prevent the SPREAD of disease to other children. Often, people who decide against vaccinations are only safe because EVERYONE ELSE had the vaccinations. The measles vaccination reduced the death rate around the world from measles by 84% between 2000 and 2016 (WHO). That adds up to around TWENTY MILLION deaths prevented. And this happened because of MASS vaccination, not one or two people. Not vaccinating a baby and exposing them to the potential for death and brain damage is not much different to letting them crawl along a kerb without supervision. A friend who is a pediatric matron uses just two words to sum it up - child abuse. Remember, though the numbers are down, hugely, measles still kills 90,000 people a year. Many are children.
Brigitta Swart 6 years ago
She is a stupid woman, full of self importance and should not be allowed to have kids. I reckon she covers her body in tattoos because she has deeper issues
Kathy Trites 6 years ago
I don't understand Kat Von D's supposed love of all things "natural"when she dyes her hair, plasters herself in makeup and injects ink and dyes into her all natural skin. the second she feel a heavy contracton she'll be all "bring on the drugs". Also, reason why she is still here alive herself? her parents vacinated her when she was a child.
Giovanni Pipicella Luciana DiMari 6 years ago
Start from the basics: 1) if public your opinion on a social media that opinion become (guess what) PUBLIC. So be ready to hear from people who doesn't think like youa 2) you can choose to give birth in athe drug free way but, when you choose that your son is not going to be vaccinated, you are thakibg a decision for another human being first, and then for the people with he will be in contact so be ready if somebody will criticize your decisionown 3) dumb a*s
Grace Hoggard 6 years ago
Sigh, how many times do we have to point out to these people THE STUDY WAS FAKED, THE RESULTS WERE MANIPULATED. The doctor was struck off and discredited. There is no proof that vaccine cause autism. I understand wanting to try and keep things as natural as possible, in that case the kid should NOT be a vegan since we are Omnivores. Oh dear god I just realised vegans are like pandas, they used to eat meat but chose to survive on a plant that only grows for a season and has very little nutrition. Anyway, keeping things natural doesn't make sense, if we kept things natural the plague would still be around (I know it still is but not as bad as before), smallpox would still be around. By vaccinating kids we can wipe out these deadly diseases. I don't think anti vacciners realise just how devastating these can be, to the point of eradicating all human life on this planet.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
We aren’t omnivores. You are lying because you like how meat tastes. Serena Williams and thousands of other seriously fit sports stars are vegan. Most likely you’re fat and eat grease daily but think you know something about nutrition. Just know you are a bad person on the inside.
Load More Replies... Grace Hoggard 6 years ago
Its such a shame these vaccines have to be administered so young before the child is old enough to consent themselves. I remember getting vaccines for cervical cancer in secondary school and the permissions slips we had to get our parents to sign to confirm THEY were ok with us having the vaccine. I'm sorry why should our parents decide when we're old enough to consent at that time, not once are we asked if we want the vaccine we're just expected to take it or not take it. Going back to the concerns the child could be autistic how many times do we have to point it out to these people THE STUDY WAS FAKED, MANIPULATED the doctor was struck off and his work discredited. There is no proof that vaccinating your child with ANY vaccine ,because MMR was the only one studied, will result in autism
Tor Rolf Strøm 6 years ago
GOD SHE IS SO F*****G DUMB. Like, she like, can barely like, speak, like, you know, like. It's not like awesome. and OF COURSE she has to drag vegans even further down in the mud. What a complete dumb b***h. Vaccinate your stupid a*s.
Vlad-Horia Raduti 6 years ago
You should not have a choice, vaccination should be mandatory. I really don't care if you make bad decisions and die, that's your fking problem, but that kid didn't do anything wrong. Also, everyone else around didn't do s**t to deserve getting some long "eradicated" disease because you think you know better than doctors and scientist.
Shiyanu Neko 6 years ago
oooooh when u have a 25 year old son eating junk food he gets sick what a shocker..
Perla 6 years ago
Its amazing how people simply cannot understand, the plain truth, of how unhealthy animal products truly are. A vegan diet is optimal for us. Here is a link that explains the biology behind it on those who wish to believe what is true, not what they would rather believe because they enjoy their milk and meat too much to give it up. https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/05/31/doctor-explains-how-humans-have-a-strict-vegan-physiology-anatomy/
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
How dare you suggest not murdering animals. Omnivores won’t have that!
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Kesyra 6 years ago
This post made me crige so much I think I dislocated my face. Forcing a lifestyle on a child is one thing (and I'm sure she will be healthy with responsible vegan diet too) but risking their life and other people with this vaccine free nonsense should be a crime.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
If she feeds him meat, she’s forcing that on to the baby too. According to your logic. All babies are forced into everything they do pretty much.
Load More Replies... Ganga Dasi 6 years ago
This post is creating hate between people with different opinions. I dont think bored panda is the place for such posts.
Vonskippy 6 years ago
Ok people - pack it up - Ganga Dasi doesn't think BP is a place to have a converstation - and now that God's dead and Ganga took his/her/it's place we have to do what she says. Don't forget to turn off the lights. Bye and thanks for all the fishes.
Load More Replies... westwing 6 years ago
Willfully ignorant is far worse than just being stupid. Of course I do have to remember the stupid twat once thought tattooing a huge portrait Jesse James’ ugly mug on her body was a fabulously smart idea too.....so you already have a good idea of her reasoning capabilities....
DeeJay Oleson 6 years ago
No issues with the home water birth aided by a Doula and midwife...then Vegan. My daughter did a very healthy pregnancy and has nursed her baby for half a year with an all Vegan diet. The baby is chubby and healthy like any Gerber baby! Why do all of that to give the baby health...and then destroy your baby and perhaps any others with awful diseases that were plagues of suffering and death. Kat obviously is an idealist who has no real parenting experience and absolutely no knowledge of history and medicine. Pray for her to gain common sense and wisdom along the way.
Angie Hart 6 years ago
I decided to do without the flu shot one year. I got the flu so bad that I was actually hallucinating. I don't play around with it anymore. To leave your kids vulnerable to worse diseases (especially when you yourself have likely been vaccinated) is criminal. I can understand waiting until they are a bit older and if you don't have them in public often, but risking them because of what a nutjob has posted you should have your kids taken from you.
Denise Melek 6 years ago
Good to know from someone, who works in that field.Do i get free natural hepatitis with each tattoo?!
Chris Leathers 6 years ago
These arguments become so black and white. I have kids and went through the same struggle/learning curve.. and we decided to vaccinate, but space out the vaccinations a bit wider than normal.. We did them all.. Because over all, the risk of diseases is higher than the risk of complications with the vaccine.. Its also more socially responsible to vaccinate.. IMO.. BUT!!!! That does not mean that vaccines are perfect. There is evidence that some of them, created in the 50's and before, contain high levels of heavy Metals.. and other compounds that MIGHT be responsible for some autism or other serious problems.. So I understand the fear of those complications and I think the threat is real!!! I'ts not black and white.. Not vaccinating DEFINITELY leads to problems.. for more than just the person.. AND vaccines need to be researched further, held to blame where accountable, and improved to modern standards!!!! Over all though.. vaccinate your kids and your selves. My Opinion.
Aunt Messy 6 years ago
Translation: I chose to put my kids at risk because internet. Is that about it? Where did you get your medical degree again?
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Jessi Collins 6 years ago
I think people have been not using the system for a long time and just because we decided to include you in our lives doesn't mean you shouldn't take a step back first and look around your life first Mame and THINK ABOUT WHAT IS CLOSEST TO YOU AS THE PROBLEM BEFORE YOU ACCUSE PERFECTLY HEALTHY PEOPLE AS THE SOURCE!! AND IF YOU AND YOUR SICKN SON GET NEAR ME I WILL takee defensive measure. Like the Police. Weirdo. !
John Scudamore 6 years ago
http://whale.to/c/vaccination_racket_summary.html fivestages...4c8609.jpg 
Chris Sabol 6 years ago
How did her son get the mumps if he was vaccinated? Guess the vaccination didn't work?
Annette Laney 6 years ago
children need meat you should not force a child to be a vegan god made us to eat meat. if when that child is old enough to decide that they do not want to eat meat they should then decide on their own- many kids have died from nut jobs parents who try to raise infants as vegans - i have seen many stories on this not my own opinion
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
Humans don't need meat, there's nothing wrong with a vegan diet for kids as long as you watch their health carefully
Load More Replies... Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Explain the cold I had in January then. I wasn’t sick? Just pretending? I guess I faked having PCOS too.
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Janet Faber 6 years ago
Childhood diseases are meant to be had in childhood. When an adult gets a childhood disease, it can have very serious complications like this young man suffered, and this is especially true for mumps. As a child, I had mumps, measles, chicken pox, and rubella, as did all my friends. No complications, no worries, just a lot of parental attentions and no school for a week. The upside also included life-long immunity to these diseases. Now a days, though, Pharma would like to enslave you with poison booster shots every 7-10 years for your whole life to prevent the very serious outcomes that come with NOT getting these diseases as children. Parents, think twice before you trust the indemnified Pharma. Pharma does not care for your health, they care only about PROFIT! Expose your children to childhood diseases as children, and stay away from Pharma and their poison.
Random Panda 6 years ago
Look, mumps and chicken pox can leave you scarred for life. You can go blind, deaf and have other lasting consequences and problems from diseases and vaccines prevent all of that. So quit it with the fear-mongering.
Load More Replies... Janet Faber 6 years ago
Childhood diseases are meant to be gotten in childhood and are very dangerous to get as an adult. As a child, I had measles, mumps, chicken pox, and rubella, as did all my friends. My generation will never need to worry about getting these childhood diseases as adults, because we got them as children and now have life-long immunity without boosters. Pharma is evil, and would like to enslave you for your whole life with dangerous booster shots every 7-10 years to prevent you from getting the diseases nature intended us to get as children.
Maria Maria 6 years ago
Where do you get your facts from, social media? You obviously do not know how vaccines work, nor the schedule of vaccines that is generally completed in childhood. Guess you don't get a tetanus booster? Guess you also don't know that the Clostridium bacteria live in soil, saliva, dust, and manure. Waiting for that small puncture wound to let the fun begin. Won't that be a funny moment when you're in full tentany spasm! One less......
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Yuan kapa 6 years ago
Well it depends on where you get your food supply still. If you are buying from GMO products, which are mostly and almost food produce you can ever find in America. Goodluck to your endeavors. Here in Asia, big part of the population aren't vaccined but many survived 85 years or life, some can even reach a century life and more than. It depends on your lifestyle and the environment you are exposed to.
Laugh Fan 6 years ago
It really doesn't work like that with these illnesses.
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Nancy Seton 6 years ago
I find this such a difficult discussion. Especially since I don't have children. I really don't know what I would do when I would/will ... It would take a lot of discussing with "both sides" (i.e, doctors who went to university and herbal doctors who have hundreds of years of old knowledge that really isn't always c**p) and try to make a choice from there. I do believe everyone should have a choice of their own in this. I also think it is not a good idea to promote this either way when you have so many people following and watching you, knowing how easily people are influenced in following you. It's human nature after all to follow a "leader".
Rena 6 years ago
sorry, but if everbody has a choice it is dangerous for everybody else. Since viruses need very short time to change rapidly, there is a good chance that the next gerations of measels, etc. change so much, that the vacination isn't working any more. Please look up how many people died of harmless children deseases and compare it to the figueres now.
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Anne de Winnaar 6 years ago
Amazing how many people on here are SO judgemental. It's Kat's body, her baby and her decision. Not yours. If you want to believe in eating meat, go right ahead. If you want to go to a hospital and have your baby, go right ahead. If you want to inject your babies with toxic substances, go right ahead. Those of you who abuse your babies which are just hours old by injecting it with a Hep B vaccine (which is a sexually transmitted disease by the way), go right ahead. Now tell me, how many of you are injecting YOURSELVES with the CDC adult vaccine schedule? Hmmm?! Are you fully adult vaccinated?! Even if you answer 'yes' publicly I can guarantee most of you are not. Bloody hypocrites.
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
Other people are gonna be involved in that if her unvaccinated child spreads a preventable disease to an immunocompromised child, or any child so if your decision may affect another child it's automatically not just her decision for herself as it could affect other people. Also, don't come at me with your little questionnaire at the end because I guarantee the people you're asking are vaccinated and you know that, this is just your way of trying to defend your BS ideas
Load More Replies... John Scudamore 6 years ago
Vaccine propaganda, they have had the cure for Mumps for decades, first discovered in the 1930s http://whale.to/a/mumps_and_vitamin_c.html
the MMR vaccine is 100% useless and highly dangerous http://whale.to/vaccines/mmr.html
esp the Mumps component as seen in MMR Urabe which caused meningitis http://whale.to/vaccine/mmr15.html
Mumps was always a safe disease until they attacked the immune system with vaccines http://whale.to/vaccines/mumps.html
and drugs such as Morphine http://whale.to/drugs/morphine_h.html
and fever reducing poisons like Calpol that cause meningitis http://whale.to/drugs/paracetamol1.html measlesvax...b9a2fe.jpg 
Boom Boom 6 years ago
you should really look at more websites, whale.to may be unreliable and biased
Load More Replies... John Cahill 6 years ago
I have another question for Caroline. You say, "I took endless pictures of Dan in hospital to keep Jim up to speed ad he had stayed at home to look after our younger traumatised kids. Dan gave full permission for me to use the photo and to tell the story in detail..." Does this mean that the photo of Dan in hospital being monitored with face covered is not set up to illustrate the story after the actual event? ... I mean, are you saying that this is a photo of the actual set up in the hospital at the time of the crisis when the younger siblings were traumatised etc...?' fullsizeou...e-jpeg.jpg 
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
No it mean a she took the photo for herself and when she decided to share the story online she asked him for his permission to use the photo first
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Melody Lanzatella 6 years ago
Babies definitely get A) too many vaccinations at once. And B) get a couple of vaccinations too early. That being said, don't throw the baby out with the bath water! Vaccinations given sensibly save lives!!
Shiyanu Neko 6 years ago
oh when ur 25 year old son gets to hospital from eating animal products junk food and smoking + alcohol its because he isnt vaccinated for sure... what a shocker.
Maria Maria 6 years ago
You do NOT know what his diet was when he became ill. You speak from ignorance, what a shocker!
Load More Replies... Perla 6 years ago
And as for the people who treat people who are anti-vax as if they are unethical, here are two more article links you may wish to peruse. There are exceptions with vaccinations, for example whooping cough, which can obstruct breathing in young children. But the vast majority of vaccinations are simply unnecessary. Here are two links to people who have woken up from the vaccination hoodwink and can think clearly: Vaccine Damaged – Jodie’s Story https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/06/02/uk-doctor-mixed-8-vaccines-into-1-syringe-injected-it-into-child-heres-how-you-can-help/ Cardiologist Says: Don’t Vaccinate https://themindunleashed.com/2015/02/cardiologist-says-dont-vaccinate-amid-recent-vaccine-hysteria.html
Michaela Hammerson 6 years ago
Hmmm...if her vaccines worked so well I would think her grown son wouldn't have caught it. BTW, how many of you adults have had a mumps vaccine in adulthood?
Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't guarantee 100% you will not get sick, but significantly decrease the possibility and give you a better chance of survival if you do end up getting sick. The more vaccinated people we have, the less chance of anyone getting sick. This also gives immunocompromised people better protection via herd immunity. But when multitudes of people are not getting vaccinated they raise the risk of diseases spreading, which is why with the anti-vaxxer trend we see the return of dangerous diseases we thought had been eradicated.
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Azure Adams 6 years ago
Kat Von D is a trashy trash who is only good for a hump and dump. Why someone willing chose to breed with her is just so disgusting. Also for all you anti-vaxxers, the next wave will new releases of old diseases in high public areas. You know that incident at Disneyland with the measles. Completely planned. These things are easy to get ahold of on the black market and many groups have plans to release them surreptitiously in public places. It happens. When it does, you anti-vaxxers will have no support, no sympathy, and many investigations on you. On top of that, you will all be fighting each other to find out who started the contagion when it won't matter, your children will be gone. And it will be all your fault.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
If she’s trash, how is she good for a hump unless the person humping her is also trash? I agree she’s trash but not following the sexism though.
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Kat Sotiriou 6 years ago
I don't care if they don't vaccinate it's about time we let stupid people die
Random Panda 6 years ago
Problem is they will kill other people too, since vaccines don't completely prevent infection, but decrease the chances of it (and give you a better chance if you do get sick). And there are also the immunocompromised.
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Lazy Panda 6 years ago
OK FIRST OF ALL... LOWER YOUR VOICE... STOP PUTTING SO MANY PERIODS... DO YOU EVEN... UNDERSTAND WHAT THREE... PERIODS TOGETHER MEANS second of all if you agree with that you lack basic sympathy and comprehension of the term contagious, if that child spreads a preventable disease to an immunocompromised child it's her fault for being so selfish and ignorant. Secondly, you don't know what that boys diet was so you have no right to make any assumptions. Lastly, no one told vaccinators how to raise their children because they were competent enough to do it properly
Load More Replies... Iapetos 6 years ago
At some point, we're all hypocrites, and I don't think those people ever truly reconsidered their behavior. This is why I love to cook for myself and my close ones instead of going to a restaurant that serves the masochistic masses' taste.
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Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't cause autism, this myth has been thoroughly debunked many. How about you educate yourself more on how life was before vaccines were invented, how many people died and what the consequences were for the ones who survived?
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Laugh Fan 6 years ago
No-one's talking about flu in this discussion. They are talking about deadly diseases that killed in droves in the earlier part of the last century and before. Diseases that people thought were gone. Diseases that are now returning because people aren't being vaccinated. You may well have been healthy but that's largely because the people around you will have been vaccinated and you have been protected by herd immunity. Vaccines are made of dead or weakened antigens. They can't cause an infection, but the immune system still sees them as an enemy and produces antibodies in response. The ability of the human body to do this is what protects you from these diseases. I don't mind people having a different viewpoint but when it affects others they aren't being fair. More education about vaccines is needed to prevent misunderstanding.
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Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't guarantee 100% you will not get sick, but it dramatically decreases the possibility and gives you a better chance of survival if you do end up getting sick. So the more vaccinated people we have, the less chance of anyone getting sick. This also gives immunocompromised people better protection via herd immunity. But when multitudes of people are not getting vaccinated they raise the risk of the disease spreading.
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Laugh Fan 6 years ago
People care because too many people not vaccinating their children are the reason why these diseases are coming back and killing people. You need a very large percentage of the population to vaccinate for herd vaccination to work and if a large enough number of her 'followers' are foolish enough to copy her it could cause an extreme amount of harm. Otherwise, no, I doubt if many people here care about the rest of her views. Anti-vaccination stances are dangerous.
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Iapetos 6 years ago
Convince me that autism as a consequence to vaccines exists.
Load More Replies... Kjorn 6 years ago
ah... remember that good time when we all use herb and natural cure? when we all dies in our old 30's and 40's?
Pavel Nekoranec 6 years ago
and when people got 8-10 children, cause at least two of them would survive :D
Load More Replies... Hans 6 years ago
I think everything has been said about anti-vacciners. They are stupid, selfish, and ultimately wrong in their arguments and motives. However, what strikes me is that not more of the "18+ trillion followers" rage about her domineering tone. What about all the mothers who wished for nothing but the best for their children but did NOT manage to have the, according to Kat von D, only acceptable way of birthing, at home, with a doula and no doctor etc. etc.? Even ignoring the anti-vacinnation nonsense, this self-righteouness should make people angry!
criminalgirl 6 years ago
Yep, remember she hasn't given birth yet...let's see what her tone is afterwards.
Load More Replies... ADHORTATOR 6 years ago
What is an "electric plant based diet"? Pure nonsense... In Europe, we know these rituals to cure diseases, it was called "witch burning"
Hans 6 years ago
Although the posting is severely annoying, the discussion is sparked here is quite entertaining. :)
Load More Replies... Husky 6 years ago
For the record: a vegan or plantbased diet has nothing to do whatsover with vaccinations. I am a vegan myself and wish to dissociate myself in the strongest way possible from the absolutely irresponsible and unscientific arguments used by the anti-vaccination movement. You might argue that it is "not vegan" to use a vaccin as it might be tested on animals, but this is the law for all medicins before they are used on humans (at least in Europe), so at this moment it is just not possible in certain cases to use products which are free from animal cruelty.
Outatime 6 years ago
Thank you for your comment!! I am a student herbalist and I use plant based medicine for lots of things, but I also believe that western medicine is amazing and truly necessary. My daughter is vaccinated & has check ups every year and I'm proud of that among my "holistic" community. We are not vegan but that's because my lifestyle in the Yukon doesn't really allow for it... Striving to live a more natural lifestyle doesn't mean you have to give up common sense and put your children in harms way. I love that Kat von d is willing to try a natural birth and a midwife, but to not vaccinate proves she is a fool spoiled by western medicine.
Load More Replies... Amina Hays 6 years ago
Anti vax parents are essentially saying they'd rather their kid get a potentially life threatening, easily avoidable disease, than have autism. I'm autistic and this is really upsetting. I felt like a second class citizen before but this is something else.
Rivkaka 6 years ago
Amina I'm very sorry that these stupid dumbo's make you feel this way. It is one of the important things that makes this so extra frustrating. They want to risk their own and other children all for fear of this unreal risk which is not even a harm (like actual polio etc). There is nothing wrong with people who have autism, we are all unique. But I don't think it is actually not autism that scares them, it is the psalms of their fellow hipster cult that drones into their heads that anything unnatural is bad. Not only vaccines but all 'unnatural' stuff. See it as a new religion in these unsure times with no real doctrines to follow, this helps them not to think (beyond themselves) but only to follow.
Load More Replies... Daria B 6 years ago
I just find it terrifying to see how in this 21st century of ours, the world seems to go backwards. Old diseases return for vaccines refusal, European countries electing fascism, women all over the "free world" seem to be more oppressed than back at the end of the past century, people using phones are "witch-hunted" by self-righteous moralists... It's really sad.
Hans 6 years ago
And everywhere people vote for autocratic leaders. It seems so much easier to just believe in what you already believe and to be led than to educate yourself, keep on challenging yourself, and be reasponsible beyond your own little world.
Load More Replies... stellermatt 6 years ago
So people who are anti-vaccination, are they pro-nature? is that what they thing will fix things? nature? well, doctors, nurses, researchers are all natural beings who created cures for a whole bunch of illnesses, granted we still have a bunch more with no cure, but that's not what this is about. They're basically saying that all these decades of people being ill, dying, living in pain and people working to help them is a waste of time because they'll use a crystal or some plant or worse yet 'good wishes' to cure all? take the damn help of the professional. But ya know, each to their own and all that...?
Hans 6 years ago
Pro-nature. With a completely inked body, done with electric equipment and industrially produced colours. Wtf?
Load More Replies... Zanthe 6 years ago
I agree with stellermatt, to each their own, but there are so many things I can't swallow when it comes to this anti-vaccination policy. New diseases are "born" everyday and we don't have magical herbs to help with that before it's too late. Ebola, Yellow Fever-- back when vaccination wasn't a thing, people would die of age when they turned 50 - if they didn't die beforehand due to certain illnesses (plague, amirite). I may be exaggerating, but so is this woman who's pushing a decision on a child (who can't choose on their own because, uh, child) and thinking it's gonna be a happy ever after. No, ma'am, you may avoid animal products but when it comes to medicine, better not risk an innocent life.
diane a 6 years ago
there was a post regarding this a while back - I related at the time how I came close to death aged 3/4 from measles before routine vaccinations were in force. Parents, and it seems to be rich parents who make this choice, rather than the poorest who just fall through the gaps and are just irresponsible. It is these same rich people who then take their vulnerable children to areas of the world on holiday where these diseases are endemic
Hans 6 years ago
I read that while the vacination rates plummet in Western countries, they rise steeply in the so called third-world. Why? If people have still sean relatives, probably their own children die from illnessed for which vaccinations exist, they do not ponder twice if a 0.something chance of bad effects and a 0.00something rate of really bad effects of vaccinations are truly a reason to skip the shot...
Load More Replies... lunanoir69 6 years ago
I had Gullian Barre syndrome, so I'm not allowed to have any vaccinations because there could be a reoccurance with certain vaccines. I am vulnerable to people's unvaccinated children. I was also born with an immune disorder and almost died several times as a child from illnesses that didn't have a vaccine yet. Vaccines don't cause autism. I'm autistic and so is my entire family. I have to think genetics plays a part. Please, vaccinate your children and keep EVERYONE safe!!!
criminalgirl 6 years ago
Yep, that's the crunch right there..keep your non-vaccinated kids away from others. So make sure they play on their own, learn on their own etc.. why should other vaccinated kids suffer from your ignorant choices?
diane a 6 years ago
but it is non-vaccinated kids being around other non-vaccinated kids that is the danger
Load More Replies... Florentte 6 years ago
I do my best in life not to judge people, but I always struggle with the anti-vaccers... Like, what should the socciety do to make them realize how important it is for the whole society
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The Quakers have a practice called shunning. Maybe that is the answer.
Load More Replies... Ahkilah Adams 6 years ago
People in 3rd world countries walk miles to try to get their children vaccinated. Women in these countries watch their children die after being plagued with illness. But, stupid a*s, rich people walk around with the idea that they are somehow making the "right" choice by refusing to get their kids vaccinated. They are not only putting their own children at risk, but other children as well.
Janelle (jellybean/nellie) 6 years ago
I missed nearly a month of work due to WHOOPING COUGH! It was HORRIBLE and SCARY AF as an adult living alone. I cant imagine a child going through that. Not knowing if you will be able to catch your breath after the next round of coughing starts. It's not a little cough. You cough out EVERY SINGLE BIT OF AIR IN YOUR LUNGS WITHOUT ANY BREATH IN BETWEEN. You cant suck in any air or you trigger a spasm. So you suck in air as if through a coffee stirrer or cocktail straw until the PANIC stops. Then you sleep. Until it starts again. This time grasping the headboard for stability because your ribs hurt so badly- because you probably fractured it during a coughing spasm. Imagine an infant who has no idea what is going on. No idea how to sit up and do anything they can to get that tiny bit of air. You try it. Cough out ALL THE AIR TIL YOU CANT ANYMORE AND THEN HOLD THAT FOR ABOUT 30-45 seconds. Better yet, have someone sit on your chest as you gasp for air.
diane a 6 years ago
oh dear Janelle ---you were lucky - most kids 100 years ago didnt make it - my aunt amongst them
Load More Replies... K. LNU 6 years ago
How sad is it that the one now discredited, former doctor who penned the concept that vaccinations = autism, and later was found guilty of three dozen charges proved, including four counts of dishonesty and 12 counts involving the abuse of developmentally delayed children, has so many people believing this? I'm all for whatever life choices you decide to make in your own life; however putting it out there on the internet and telling people to F**** off if they don't like your opinion is just rather ludacris.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The now debunked British doctor cannot practice medicine Britain. He was/is a fraud who is now exploiting the ignorant, nor matter how "famous". Children died of smallpox at one time; those who survived were hideously scarred for life. Children died of polio, or were paralyzed and crippled for life. Children lost hearing and sight due to severe cases of measles; that does not happen now. Why are we giving this ignorant celebrity publicity for her ignorant views? I think she is not getting on with her career; this is a publicity stunt.
Load More Replies... Lizard Queen 6 years ago
I dislike Kat intensely. Not just because of the anti-vaxxer stance (short sighted as it is). I dislike her because she is openly racist. She is a poor excuse for a human being.
diane a 6 years ago
i had never heard of her before this - she is a poorly informed woman born of a generation that all got vaccinated. maybe she didnt hear her parents describe the death of their sibling from whooping cough or measles like i did - how can it be clever or a "life choice" of rich 1st world parents to allow these diseases back in
Load More Replies... Pam Falcioni 6 years ago
Those born in the 1960's and later have never lived through those terrifying pandemics of diseases that are now preventable by immunization, this makes it much easier to distance yourself from the REAL danger of the disease and focus on those tiny numbers of potential side-effects from the immunization itself. Talk to older people who lived through the horrible polio epidemics, or someone who had to watch a family member suffer and die from tetanus. My mother had polio as a child and is still suffering the side effects of the disease today, she considers herself lucky though since 2 of her classmates died. If the anti-vacc movement didn't put other innocent lives in danger I would consider them as laughable as the flat earth society members, but when your crazy beliefs put other people in danger, that's criminally stupid.
diane a 6 years ago
I feel for your mother - and the hospitals full of smilling children in iron lungs
Load More Replies... OreOs 6 years ago
I cant believe people are still anti vaccination. DIDNT THEY GO TO SCHOOL? HAVE THE EDUCATION FAILED THEM? WHY!!!!! U may want your child to suffer but by not vaccinating your child, you are causing other children to suffer too!!!!! Somehow I am so annoyed?
OreOs 6 years ago
I am so happy people on boredpanda are smart enough (seeing how these comments) and unlike facebook where I once stumbled on a debate on the comments section and nearly fainted. I cannot believe how can some people pull out facts from thin air to support their anti vaccination stand
Load More Replies... Rebecca Majoros-Gomez 6 years ago
I was 36 when I contracted Whooping Cough from a child who was not vaccinated because I was in a "vaccination trough" (meaning I needed a booster). It was 4 months of hell, so I cannot imagine what it would be like for a child. To date, I now only have 75% lung capacity and may never fully recover. My life was massively impacted by anti-vaxxers. Please, it isn't just your kids who are affected, it is others because of the diseases they carry. Sure vaccination isn't a magic bullet that eradicates all diseases, but it helps.
diane a 6 years ago
this is ridiculous - how can someone who makes a "living" injecting people refuse to have their own child injected with lifelong immunity from deadly diseases?
diane a 6 years ago
And why do they have to "announce" their vegan pregnancy to the world - like they are royalty? I had never heard of this woman until today. I just hope her umpteen Facetwitinstasnapfollowers have more sense
Load More Replies... Jane Thorne-Gutierrez 6 years ago
I was a child of the 50's, BEFORE the polio vaccine. We had the March of Dimes March at school to contribute to the search for a vaccine to eradicate this paralyzing disease that often killed. Measles , mumps and chicken pox can leave you scarred for life. Pox marks from any pit your skin and few can ever lose the effects. You can go blind, deaf and have lasting consequences and problems from these diseases. We were so grateful vaccines were discovered and most children don't have to suffer these epidemics now. That is until there are those who think they know better. There is NO PROOF WHATSOEVER that even incidentally, any cause autism or anything else . They PREVENT.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
I was a child when polio was a known disease; my mother didn't know a lot about medical issues; however she knew that children pass diseases: measles, mumps, colds etc. So, I was not allowed to go to public pools; stayed home from movies one summer; stayed on the ranch and played with cousins. When I went to H.S. there were kids who needed braces to walk. Some had withered arm muscles. Later we all learned that polio was spread by a virus. My mother knew enough to keep me home. Later the Salk vaccine was developed; my little girl got hers on a sugar cube. Now we don't have children with hearing and sight impairment due to measles. We don't have children with Smallpox, a childhood killer. So, this rich woman will benefit from other people's kids being vaccinated; then she can tell herself that her kid was fine without vaccinations. She is a freeloader, using her "fame" to spread nonsense. She might spend less time promoting nonsense and spend some time in a library.
Load More Replies... Michael Morris 6 years ago
Home delivery without a qualified physician? Let's home everything goes smoothly, cause if it doesn't she could wind up dead. Remember in the 1800's the #1 killer of women was pregnancy.
Anne 6 years ago
A midwife is qualified. Almost all births in this country are done at home with a midwife here (Netherlands), unless there is a medical indication to do it at a hospital.
Load More Replies... Paul K. Johnson 6 years ago
"Alt-medicine" isn't medicine. If it worked it would be called medicine.
birdhouse 6 years ago
You want to portray yourself as "pure" yet you inject yourself with ink for the tattoos? I'm sure the ink you use is 100% natural and plant based right?
Marie Jareth 6 years ago
She’s as pure as yellow snow; a used-up, racist, ignorant tramp, who has the gall to be arrogant.
Load More Replies... Jennifer .S 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before hospitals lol" They died slow and painful deaths is what they did.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
People died of smallpox before a doctor noticed something about cow's milk; he went further and eventually developed a vaccine based on experiments on dairy cows. People died, or were paralyzed before Salk developed his vaccine. Children grew up with impaired hearing or eyesight before the Mumps, Measles and Rubella vaccines were developed. We definitely ought to follow the advice from some rich, isolated "celebrity" who is freeloading on other people's following the vaccination procedures within the first three months of birth.
Load More Replies... Guacharaco 6 years ago
Just read history...Polio before the vaccine, children in "Iron Lungs". Just one example.
Shana 6 years ago
Humans have evolved and grown so much, found cures/vaccinations to several deadly diseases, almost wiping them out in some parts of the world... Yet now, people are refusing all that, even endangering their own kids and others because they think they know better/some random person on the internet told them so... bringing said deadly diseases back... -_-
Frans Visser 6 years ago
I loved the way Homeopaths without borders lined up to go fight the Ebola outbreak in West Africa....
Deanna Davis 6 years ago
Kvd didn't even have enough sense to know she was dating a Nazi. You don't expect her to know how to raise a child!?!?!?? C'mon people!
Danae Squires 6 years ago
18 months ago one of my friends caught the measles. Her parents hadn't vaccinated her and she didn't know. She was in hospital for a week and our health service had to close for a day while everyone was checked out. Vaccinate your kids for Pete's sake and save us all the pain of the consequences of your arrogant decisions.
Joanna Guthrie 6 years ago
As for lilgoldenhoneys comment...what did they do before hospitals? Die. They died, and if they didn't die they were left with horrible damage resulting from diseases and viruses that are easily avoided today. We used to live to 40 or 50. The reason we live so much longer these days? F*****G HOSPITALS, DOCTORS, MIDWIVES AND VACCINES. Dumb f**k.
Fuzzy Duckling 6 years ago
Considering that human beings are omnivores there is nothing "natural" about being vegan, it's a choice made possible by modern technology and sensibilities. The natural thing is to eat whatever crosses your path, like other animals do, and not debate over the ethics of eating. That debate is a luxury afforded to a well fed person who doesn't have to worry about their next meal, and it's the most "unnatural" thing possible. As is not doing everything you can to guarantee the survival of your young. So can we just stop with the anti vaccine bull$(!t hiding out as "more natural" already? I'm so sick of it. Veganism is a religion pure and simple and anti-vaccine mentality a sick cult.
Han 6 years ago
The main point of this article is a mother debating Kat Von D about not intending to vaccinate her child when it's born, yet most of the comments are about veganism. :/
Zanthe 6 years ago
Exactly what I was thinking. I'm all in for a vegetarian/veganism diet. Vaccinating is the only thing that needs to be taken seriously.
Load More Replies... Paul Osborne 6 years ago
In the age of social media people will latch onto anything that matches their confirmation bias, no matter how ridiculous or unscientific. Add to that a few famous people repeat it and the sheep will follow.
Karen Russo 6 years ago
I think Kat and all who disregard science and knowledge that has come from centuries of study and growth, those are the people who should have a wall built around them not the immigrants. My mother crippled throughouyt her life by polio, me with autoimmune diseases, i have no sympathy toward those who won”t vaccinate, they are ignorate and put the rest of the world at risk
Rory Connor 6 years ago
As an immunocompromised person who cannot get vaccines, because of my condition they are all useless on me and don't work, I get hugely offended at anti-vaxxers, if they had any idea how much I would love to be able to get vaccines, and not be going through pneumonia for the 10th time in 6 years (yes right now), it's just insulting, extremely so. Vaccinations in others help keep people like me safe from disease, you are not just protecting yourself, you are helping protect your community and the people around you, and I've already had mumps twice, I don't need it a third time, or anything else preventable for that matter
Danae Squires 6 years ago
I hear you. I caught a bug while going through chemo. It wiped my white blood cells out. It broke my heart that I couldn't hug my dad when he had a cold. Herd immunity is needed to protect people who can't get vaccines themselves.
Load More Replies... Lu 6 years ago
Bottom line - don’t impose your views on others. Acute medical care is critical, natural medicines do fix broken arms or virulent diseases. Maintaining a strong immune system is not the same as addressing an acute care situation. You need both, and we are so fortunate to have both.
Magdalina777 6 years ago
Every single time I see something about anti vaccination people I just still cannot beliebe my eyes. To risk your own child getting infected by one of the deadly diseases that used to take our lives by millions before we, you know, came up with vaccinations because it's possibly bad for their health (like...worse than a quick painful death?)...how is this possible? I know this is real but I just absolutely cannot believe these people are serious. They gotta be trolling...please tell me they're trolling
ugaas wiilhoog 6 years ago
To those who belief the same thing as the above subject, does your objection also extend to all modern medicine or just the vaccination part. I'm just curious.
Husky 6 years ago
@ugaas: I don't quite get your question, could you perhaps clarify? I have adopted a plantbased lifestyle with the recognition that it is not possible to live 100% plantbased. It is some kind of ideal though for me which I think is worth striving for, but not possible at the moment. For instance, if I would encounter an accident, be unconscious and hospitalised, then it would just not be possible to refuse painkillers (which are they are tested on animals). Same thing with antibiotics: if I have an infection, than I must take them. Or die. Not willing to do that. I therefore quite like the definition of veganism of the vegan society: "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." (https://www.vegansociety.com/go-vegan/definition-veganism). The key for me in this definition is the "as far as is possible and practicable".
Load More Replies... Danielle Renee 6 years ago
you not only put your own child at risk when you don't vaccinate them, you also put other kids at risk.
Fbomb 6 years ago
The continuing ignorance of those with money and privilege is amazing. The Anti-vax movement has been proven wrong by everyone in the know. The "scientist" that published the false information was stripped of his medical licence. Yet there are STILL ignorant fools that think they are right. No amount of PROVEN scientific studies and FACTS will make them see the truth. I am all about raising your child as you feel is right but when it's affecting those outside your privileged sphere you are a danger to others. That's when it's harming others and you are just being selfish. Herd immunity has almost irradiated these horrible, debilitating and deadly diseases and you think it's your "right" to endanger others. You're nothing more than entitled, rich, ignorant a******s that are putting the world at risk because instead of listening to people that actually know what they are talking about (scientists) you're following some moron that was the former co-host of a bad MTV game show.
Denis Lliiggaannooww 6 years ago
Scientists also cause noise pollution and light pollution, so you always want escape the city.
Load More Replies... Royal_Emperor 6 years ago
Oh Jeez. This s**t again. I hope she sterilizes her tattooing equipment, after reading this i don't think she does.
ieniemienieme 6 years ago
people should realize how lucky they are to have acces to these vaccines
diane a 6 years ago
small children have a small risk of getting a very mild version of the disease they are being saved from for life -- the Autistic risk has been discredited. Just vaccinate children everywhere
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
The doctor who published that garbage was stripped of medical license. He can no longer practice medicine in England. Of course, the Brits have been through enough with wars and a history of the plague in Europe; they don't indulge in nonsense fads spouted by uneducated celebrities.
Load More Replies... Vivian 6 years ago
I am unable to comprehend why ANYBODY would deny western medicine, especially sine it has been proven countless times. If my mom was a selfish and stupid anti-vaccines person or decided to have myself and my brother at home I would be dead, my mom would be dead and my brother wouldn't have even happened.
Full Name 6 years ago
Why would someone deny western medicine? Maybe because medical error is literally the 3rd leading cause of death in the USA, behind heart disease and cancer, at least according to a recent study out of John Hopkins. That's a pretty good reason to be skeptical. This is the same medical community who will warn you about taking too many vitamins even though the number of death per year can be counted on one hand. It's mind blowing how people blindly trust the generic concept of "western medicine" as if we have all the answers figured out perfectly.
Load More Replies... Full Name 6 years ago
By the way people, vegans DO usually breastfeed their babies. It's not hypocrisy. So many comments from people flipping out. Nothing brings out the worst in humanity quite like mentioning veganism or natural child rearing. They go from 0-60 instantly.
Iapetos 6 years ago
Yeah... the masses find it unimaginable, as they never dine without their oversized piece of animal carcass of some kind. As far as I am concerned, there are enough people who managed to raise their children on a healthy vegan diet without supplements (maybe except for cobalamine, which you find almost solely in beer :)
Load More Replies... r3dd3v1lL 6 years ago
Normally I think people's bodies are their own to do with as they will, BUT when a woman is pregnant she has the responsibility to care for her child- that means no smoking, no alcohol, no drugs and sufficient nutrients, including proteins. And vaccinations. If you are a self- destructive hippie that's fine with me, but you are not giving your child the chance to grow up healthy and make its own choice. You're taking your child's choice away. And possibly its very life by not vaccinating it.
Jacqueline Lavanchy 6 years ago
Vaccines can be deadly when injected too early. In the prime of life, the baby usually has got what it takes to fight diseases, providing he/she has been properly nurtured, fed with his/her mum's milk. The age is so important in vaccines ! A lot of kids changed drastically after vaccines, like the Eli Lilly laboratories scandal. That one was well documented, and if my memory's good, the lab had to compensate for the medical treatments those kids had to take after. Alas, a lot of them never recovered their health.
David Cobb 6 years ago
I had mumps at age four in 1954, and ran the weeks long high temperature rout for over a week. I seemed to recover, but was a clumsy kid thereafter. In first grade two years later my handwriting was horrid. I would write forward or backward without thinking. I was dyslectic, and later found to be autistic. In forth grade I was given an EEG which showed brain damage supposedly from the mumps. My life has been negatively impacted by the mumps. In 2007 I caught pneumonia almost died and was permanently disabled. If a mumps vaccine had been available I as a U.S. military dependent out of country would have been required to be vaccinated, changing everything. Still I've had a good life, and am not about to be complaining. My walk with God has been interesting to say the least.
Tanja Burmeister 6 years ago
I think this post should delete the word vegan from the title, since the discussion is completely about the vaccines.
Krishna Vishwas 6 years ago
That berry and watermelon..stop f*****g using namaste for your dumbshit. Even none of us Indians shy away from vaccination. We do have Ayurveda but we are not using it like you jackass do.. herbs and c**p.. even an Ayurvedic doctor Always recommends to not to skip allopathic medicine like for High blood pressure or diabetes. These jackass make me want to kill them.
Jrisknown Projectofscience 6 years ago
She says "It's my body, pregnancy and child." Well then it's your choice to give you child a decent start to life. I was born with Alport Syndrome. I almost died from phenomena 2 times when I was 3. When I was 16 I weighed 210Lbs. in my freshmen year of highschool. I went to the doctor and found off I was carrying a lot of fluid because my kidneys where failing. I took a diuretic and lost 60Lbs. in a week which was hard to believe but since I had help from the medicine it made it possible. Then when I turned 18 my kidney failed which caused me to go on dialysis. Since then I have died 2 times, have had 20 or so seizures causing me to lose most of my memory, so much I had a hard time remembering my phone number. I had a seizure so bad it put me into a coma for a month. When I woke up I couldn't pick up a fork to eat or walk. What I'm saying is that I would have died if it wasn't for the great doctors and scientist with all there drugs and vaccinations I would for sure be dead.
Kiki 6 years ago
I hope Child Protective Services takes the baby as soon as it's born. People who refuse to vaccinate their kids should be sterilized.
Chris Miilu 6 years ago
California does not allow children to enroll in school from Kindergarten forward if they have not been vaccinated. I had to show my daughter's vaccination records when she started school. That makes sense to me. Kat VD can keep her kid home, because she won't be able to enroll her in any school, public or private, in CA. She doesn't appear to mind ink injected all over her body. Hopefully, she won't start tats on her newborn.
Load More Replies... Llews Art 6 years ago
Kat also deleted a ton of comments that weren't trolling but just stating another opinion. That women is just toxic and not open minded at all. She acts like she's the only vegan on earth and nobody understands her and everyone is out to get her...B***h pls...
Full Name 6 years ago
Now people are getting mad because she curates her own comment section? Haha, there's SOOOO much anger in these comments and it's spreading to the weirdest places. One person above got angry and called her a "privileged white person", as if her skin colour and bank account are relevant here.
Load More Replies... Wina Alkerchief 6 years ago
Refusing your children to be vaccinated not only endangering themself but people around them. This day viruses evolved and they grow even more dangerous day by day. Try living in a developed country where vaccines can be pricey. A lot of unprivileged parents literally sell something like motorcycles or their TV to get their children vaccinated! Because they' ve seen what those diseases could do to a child. About vegan thing, let your child decide that to theirself. Ripping their opportunity to try something is cruel. When they old enough let them choose.
Cris Vise 6 years ago
raising a newborn vegan style is stupid and dangerous to the kid! and not vaccinating... seriously, some people shouldn't be allowed to have kids and vote
Iapetos 6 years ago
"Raising a newborn vegan style is stupid" - I do think she'll breastfeed him, don't panic.
Load More Replies... Sandy Eigler 6 years ago
I was vaccinated with everything there was back in the early 60's and I got sick from every last one of them!! Measles, mumps, whooping cough. Was it bad medicine? Who knows. I could have been better off without taking them! There are two sides to every story. Vaccines could be good but if they harm more than they did good then what use were they? And yes I did vaccinate both our kids but not at first. Just worried about the after affects.
Kayci Rush 6 years ago
I’m a measle survivor before the vaccine. Nearly lost my sight. Parents could do nothing but pray I didn’t die.
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
@John Scudamore What? Where do you get your information? My grandmother and grandfather were both in their 70's when they died and my grandfather had 5 sisters and 1 brother and not one sister was younger than 85 when she died, the oldest was around 96. My next door neighbor is 90 and she's full of energy. Both my parents are in their 60's. People are living longer now-a-days! By the way herbal and what you call naturopathic medicines doesn't cure anything and has been "scientifically" found to cause problems in your brain. What #1 killer drug medicine are you talking about? Heart disease is the #1 killer of Americans, followed by Cancer!
Bradley Roon 6 years ago
Hope she gets her kid's B-12 levels checked. If you are packed with B-12 (vitamin) you can last about 30 years or so, but WILL become deficient. One reason NO society has EVER been vegan. The current vegan B-12 is only possible through high tech removal of chlorella cell walls to access the vitamin. No plant based B-12 is accessible naturally.
Glynis Lailann 6 years ago
Question: If an un-immunised child spread a disease, would the guilty party and/or his/her guardians be held up for potential murder? Those diseases were responsible for deaths of half the world's population many years ago. That is the reason why vacines were invented. if you value the life of your loved ones Then Don't be An Idiot! Vaccinate your kids.
Michael Kondakov 6 years ago
1. You can live your vaccine-free life, but you must be ready to lose your loved ones to a deadly disease. Like all modern medicine, vaccination might be impairing humanity on a genetic level by interfering with the "strongest survives" principle (although I'm not sure here). So your way might help growing stronger humans in the ling run, but you can forget having one child and a "happily ever after". Keep giving birth and let the nature have its way. Your choice.
Savannah Robinson 6 years ago
I just think that certain ideas or decisions shouldn't be shared on social media. Her decision must be respected as her own but she should have expected the backlash because her choice was shared on social media. People should be more private and less sensitive too.
Renee Pina 6 years ago
My goodness so many people so narrow minded.... cuz you all know everything. I personal had vaccines yet I still get mumps as a child. Sickness happens. Its the memories of love ones are what counts. Let others live their lives. Let people make mistakes, make discoveries, etc.
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
I am a mom of three, a nurse, educated, yet always questioning. I vaccinated my children initially because I couldn't see a legitimate reason not to. On down the line, my girls father remarried. She had two kiddos of her own about the same ages as my younger ones. I found out the hard way that she didn't believe in vaccinations. No real reason besides "they have so many side effects". "It's more dangerous to take a vaccination than not to". Well that's a bunch of b******t if you look at any scientific research. Anyways, about this time a "cold" is passed from her kids, to my kids, to me, my mother and sister (who has three young ones), and who knows who else. Turns out to be whooping cough. Not all that dangerous to an older child or a healthy adult. Luckily my kids got better within two weeks. I however had a terrible cough and body aches for four months. Four months! The cough was so bad, I broke two ribs. We were all victims of step mom and her irresponsible behavior
Full Name 6 years ago
Nobody says vaccines aren't 100% effective all the time, but if your kids, you, mom and sis ALL caught it, that doesn't bolster your argument. Also, you're being a hypocrite because you are claiming to know the source, but by your own story of so many people getting it, the ones you are blaming could've got it and passed it on even if vaccinated. Your story is not grounded in logic nor reason. You're passing judgement when the facts don't support it.
Load More Replies... Lyone Fein 6 years ago
I think those who are not vaccinated should go live in a place that is isolated from the rest of us.
Donna Baker 6 years ago
WOW , I can understand yo wanting a natural child birth , That is fantastic, I believe their are way to many cesarean sections, and not for the health of the baby or mom, but for pure profit. I was born in an era where there was not vaccinations for most things. and I had mumps and measles, and knew children that also had other worse childhood diseases , that where crippling. You sure do have a write to choose what you want for you body. but , I think anyone who would choose not to vaccinate your child from going through this kind of torture , is ignorant, , and I have heard in recent years , that these child hood diseases , what we thought was gone , are now suffering. Thanks to people that don't care about their child or someone else's child getting infected again . I would not want to see chicken pox measles, croup, rubella, and others return. But if they do because of you, I hope you enjoy seeing your child go through all these painful diseases. You made the choise.
Chris Sabol 6 years ago
How did her son get the mumps if he was vaccinated? Guess the vaccination doesn't work?
John Shannon 6 years ago
Don't people realize that every condition can be cured by waving a dead chicken over the person?
Janice Paulsen 6 years ago
I am interested in water births. I wonder if it would be possible to see a video of Kat Von D's delivery?
Damian Amberg 6 years ago
So how did he get mumps if he was vaccinated or did I miss part of the story?
Anne de Winnaar 6 years ago
So if the boy was vaccinated and still got mumps (the parents vaccinated like good sheeple), then the vaccine didn't work, did it? Mumps is far easier to manage in a young boy than in a young man.
Amina Hays 6 years ago
Thank you everyone, for saying all those lovely things. Another reason anti vax parents upset me, is their complete disregard for every single person around them. Besides having autism, I also have kidney disease and a bunch of other horrible health problems and therefore my immune system is extremely compromised. I've ended up in hospital on more than one occasion where I caught a cold from someone which has turned into full blown pneumonia. If a little thing like a cold can hospitalise me, I don't want to think about what would happen if I caught something serious from unvaccinated people.
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
I have a question for Caroline Hirons. You say your son was 23 when struck with Mumps? What didn't you get him vaccinated or did it just not work? If it doesn't work then what good is it? If it does work then why are you afraid of a few un-vaccinated people?
zef rose 6 years ago
Please please please, take the time to read as much of the research as you can. Vaccines aren't all bad, but neither are they all good. Besides, the suppliers are interested in profits alone. They don't care about your children. Read something. You'll see that they don't vaccinate their children. Then, if you really want to subject your children to their chemical concoctions, go ahead. If you don't, go ahead. NOBODY has any right at all to force anyone into any particular life decisions. Finally, have a good clear honest look at the world. Look at the actual actions of this country and its leaders. Do you think they are truthful to you? Fine. Do you think they lie to you about anything? Then why do you believe them about anything? Do your own research. I do. I am pro-peace and pro-freedom, and my research has shown me that this country is neither of those things. We are being lied to. About a great many things. Seriously. Wake up.
Nicole Elizabeth 6 years ago
So, if this lady's son was vaccinated, how did he get mumps? Oh, the mumps vaccine is one of the least effective, that requires more boosters, and has a failure threshold greater than what the FDA allows, which is why it is paired with Measles and Rubella, instead of on its own.
Nicole Elizabeth 6 years ago
Vaccination isn't a blanket cure all for all infections and viruses. We just need to be mindful of the risks and benefits. Neither polarized point of view is very helpful.
Load More Replies... Willow 6 years ago
Except...this guy was vaccinated...and he still got the mumps. Hm... Besides that, having a home birth and a midwife and a doula isn't that unusual so stop whining about that. Also, you can't raise a child vegan, especially as a baby. He will need his mother's milk, and when he's really young will be very sickly if she refuses to give him proper nutrition his body needs.
Guybrush Threepwood 6 years ago
Wft what does any of this have ti do with veganism? I'm vegan and I'm 100% for vaccination..
John Cahill 6 years ago
I am happy that Caroline’s son Dan came through this illness and I hope he continues to do well. Had Dan been vaccinated? "You have the unbelievable arrogance of a ‘choice’, because the rest of us responsible people/parents DID vaccinate.” It appears that he had been vaccinated! “Without intensive medical intervention he would not be here,” okay, but the lad had been vaccinated. So what is the point of the story? It does not support vaccines at all, and it may mean that vaccines are irrelevant at best or that the dangers to some of adjuvants (mercury and aluminum) are real. The drama reported may be sadly real, but in the context it is most unfortunate to see it turned into smoke and used to insult mothers.
Cookie 6 years ago
Then someone replied - "We are NOT vaccinated against: Acinetobacter African sleeping sickness (African trypanosomiasis) Trypanosoma brucei AIDS Amebiasis Angiostrongyliasis Angiostrongylus Anisakiasis Anisakis Arcanobacterium haemolyticum infection Argentine hemorrhagic fever Junin virus Ascariasis Aspergillosis Astrovirus infection Babesiosis Bacillus cereus infection Bacterial pneumonia (multiple bacteria) Bacterial vaginosis Bacteroides infection Balantidiasis Bartonellosis Baylisascaris infection Baylisascaris species BK virus infection BK virus Black piedra Blastocystosis Blastomycosis Bolivian hemorrhagic fever Machupo virus Botulism Brazilian hemorrhagic fever Brucellosis Bubonic plague Burkholderia infection Calicivirus infection (Norovirus and Sapovirus) Campylobacteriosis Candidiasis (Moniliasis; Thrush) usually Candida albicans and other Candida species
Cookie 6 years ago
(...con't) Capillariasis Intestinal disease by Capillaria philippinensis, hepatic disease by Capillaria hepatica and pulmonary disease by Capillaria aerophila Carrion´s disease Bartonella bacilliformis Cat-scratch disease Bartonella henselae Cellulitis usually Group A Streptococcus and Staphylococcus Chagas Disease (American trypanosomiasis) Trypanosoma cruzi Chancroid Haemophilus ducreyi Chikungunya Alphavirus Chlamydia Chlamydia trachomatis Chlamydophila pneumoniae infection (Taiwan acute respiratory agent or TWAR) Chlamydophila pneumoniae Cholera Vibrio cholerae Chromoblastomycosis usually Fonsecaea pedrosoi Chytridiomycosis Batrachochytrium dendrabatidis Clonorchiasis Clonorchis sinensis Clostridium difficile colitis Clostridium difficile Coccidioidomycosis Coccidioides immitis and Coccidioides posadasii Colorado tick fever (CTF) Colorado tick fever virus (CTFV) Common cold (Acute viral rhinopharyngitis; Acute coryza) usually rhinoviruses and coronaviruses
Load More Replies... Kara Brocious 6 years ago
It's still amazing how stupid some people are - "people act like vaccines have been around forever, they are unnecessary, what do they think people did before hospitals lol" - uh, they frickin' died in childbirth, 1 in 10 children died before their first birthday in the early 1900s, people died from things like diphtheria, cholera, typhoid, and TB. But, yeah, stick to your electric plant based diet, you frickin' moron.
Kevin Peck 6 years ago
Wow sad! Our son was born with an auto immune disease and had been vaccinated he still got mumps, Scarlet fever, atypical tb and a rash of other things that kept him in the hospital most of his life. He is now 25 and thriving but I am amazed at the amount of folks bashing vaccines. Without them my son would be dead . As far as I know there is no coming back from that. Have faith in the scientist and exceptional people working round the clock to extend our lives .
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Someone who helps a woman during childbirth or abortion.
Load More Replies... snoozy womble 6 years ago
Caroline is a hero quite frankly and her son being alive is a miracle of modern science we nearly lost my cousin a couple of years ago, she is immuno-compromised. Complications of shingles and she nearly died. We don't routinely vaccinate for chicken pox in the UK and shingles is a complication of chicken pox, I can tell you it all goes down hill from there. So imagine the complications of a disease we do vaccinate for. She would be 100% dead. Vaccinate your damn kids or stay away from me and mine.
Pat 6 years ago
There is a reason why researchers developed our vaccines. It was to prevent children from dying or being severely maimed from these diseases. I can remember having both measles and chicken pox. Mumps I didn’t have. I did not want my boys to ever have to suffer from these. We got them the chicken pox vaccine, so now they don’t have to get shingles either.
Ganga Dasi 6 years ago
This post is creating hate between people with different opinions and lifestyles. I dont think bored panda needs such posts :/
Eli Lynch 6 years ago
Kat von D needs to see pictures f ab entire family wiped out. 6,7,8 children all dead within a week of each other. The only picture they had was of them in their coffins. Why? Because they died of diphtheria. A perfectly preventable disease. Ever see someone die of tetanus? In the end your body contorts so much you break your own back. Pertussis is another good one. Babies are STILL dying of this. I used to think she was an amazing person and artist. Her concert level understanding and performance skills on piano are breathtaking l. But this.... I get the veganism. You can raise a child vegan IF YOU'RE CAREFUL. Especially if she's breast feeding. But you do have to make sure your developing infant is getting enough fat for their brain. But not vaccinating? That to me is negligent. How stupid. Natural home birth? Totes get it. Go ahead and enjoy that pain. Hope she doesn't tear. People been giving birth forever. But to not vaccinate?! She has cats, too. Wonder if they're vaccinated.
Leigh Skinner 6 years ago
Was her son ever vaccinated? Considering how she feels, I assume so. In addition, the childhood diseases like mumps, measles, and chicken pox are more dangerous for an adult to come down with. That is why when I was a child in the 60's If a kid hadn't caught them by 8 or 9 years old many parents took their kids to play with a friend suffering from one of them so they would catch them and get it over with. And mumps was the most benign. My mother didn't have to do this with me, as I caught all of them between 4 and 6 years old. And I have lifetime immunity. Shots need boosters every few years.
Sue Prewitt 6 years ago
Before you decide not to vaccinate, go watch a video of a baby with whopping cough. Anyone who could knowingly let their child go through that is a monster, plain and simple
Michelle Thornton 6 years ago
Everyone has the right to their own choices! But, this is an unborn child who’s life will be at risk. All diseases that were once killers are making their way back into our world because people refuse to vaccinate. Now, I’m not a lover of vaccination...but if it saves my children from dealing with these horrid illnesses...so be it! We now live in the 21st century..not the dark ages!
Lynn Noyes 6 years ago
So this woman is against vaccines, but she has spent a lot of time having ink injected into her skin?
Jim Kang 6 years ago
If we had our children the way Cat, states she is at least one of my children would have died at birth. Not having it, f*****g stupid, selfish, self absorbed, people. I truly hope you don't regret you decision,and have an uneventful birth. I am glad we chose a hospital, because not only do we have a 10 year old, but my wife is also alive and well.
AnnaB 6 years ago
Do these militant anti-vaccination moro - oops - people vaccinate their pets? I'm seriously asking the question.
Karen Masters 6 years ago
I really liked Kat, but this is a really bad decision. I really hope she doesn't live to regret it
Floor 6 years ago
I've read somewhere there is a milk sharing program. Meaning that if the vegan mother can't breastfeed, she would use the milk from a woman who can. I'm assuming that's bottled but now I'm not so sure :-o
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
There’s vegan formula too. I think omnivores also milk-share but they probably have separate groups from vegans.
Load More Replies... WellSea7 6 years ago
I hope her birth plans work out for her mine didn't I ended up with two c-sections, one unplanned the second one planned. In reality, not long ago, my first child & I would've died, I'm thankful for medical advances. Non of her choices would be mine but like mine, I guess shes entitled to them. I'm on the fence over vaccinations clearly there are some that do help and some that don't, in my opinion.
Fiona Messenger 6 years ago
Well I don't agree with her at all, but I would vehemently defend her right to say what she wants to say, even if at face value it is arrogance supreme. Remains to be seen if it works out for her. I have nothing in experience to compare it to.
Full Name 6 years ago
Babies started to live past 5 because of basic hygiene understanding, not because of vaccines. Even the tiniest amount of research would've brought you to reconsider that comment. Vaccines are an extremely recent invention, yet humans have been around eons. I'm very sad that 2 other people share your hyperbolic fear.
Load More Replies... diane a 6 years ago
How can you be "openly vegan"? - its your choice and your life - why twittlegrambook it to the world? Just either drink the milk or shut up
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Because so many people attack you for not eating dead animals, when you are vegan.
Load More Replies... Stille20 6 years ago
Generally I try an ignore the self righteous parenting rants, because they come from a place of fear. Fear that you are not going to be a good parent. However, not vaccinating is based on one paper that even the writer admitted was false; so that's ignorant. Also you are endangering everyone around your child with comprised immune systems; so that selfish.
Emiri-chan 3 years ago
Update: Kat Von D said that she was unaware about vaccines but has then reassured that she isn't anti vaxx: https://www.insider.com/kat-von-d-says-shes-not-anti-vaxxer-2020-3
Demos Kyprianou 6 years ago
No issue if people want to go vegan. However as Caroline said, not vaccinating risks other people's health and the literature around not vaccinating is nonsense. It also shows ignorance around how vaccinations cam about. If people read the history of vaccinations and understand it, then they should change their minds. If your story Caroline is not enough to put an end to this nonsense, nothing will except being mandated by law which I think should now be the case. Not vaccinating should be considered a crime against the child and society.
Jean Jenns 6 years ago
Its so sad (the anti vaxxers) and SO arrogant. Read up on "herd immunity"....that is why "they" are so dangerous to "us" and our kids. It is NOT "all about them"....and the ignorant, arrogant tattoo artist is as stupid as she can possibly be. She and her kid can be as vegan as they want, I have no problem with that, its her own choice (and her kid's life is "hers" until he/she gets old enough to rebel and fight back, which judging by her statements will be as soon as she/he can!) Lets guess, out of her house by age ?
Osama Khan 6 years ago
I see you want to be different, you like to think outside the box, you want to be you and not like anybody else, but these diseases are not going anywhere, it’s like risking your child to polyo, mumps etc. Choosing what to eat is totally up to you, not sure if you could do that with milk as the most nutrient milk is the mother’s milk. I have questions 🤔. Anyways love you kat bless you. Be wise.
Rose the Cook 6 years ago
Remember the old adage "there is no such thing as bad publicity". This woman has achieved her aim, everyone is talking about her.
Marius Jan 6 years ago
So she basically said to her 18+ millions followers that she's a stupid b***h who risks her baby to die from a totally preventable disease or from a complication during a medically unsupervised birthgiving. Great! Sucg people shouldn't reproduce either way.
Raven McMains 6 years ago
If you keep children are vaccinated and you believe vaccines work, why the fear of a new nvaccinated child? Some child can not be vaccinated, so ok to discriminate against them?
Ileana Sky Aviles 6 years ago
I am a KatVD fan and am disappointed at her smug, ill informed comments about vaccinations. My brother and I were vaccinated against polio but our cousin, who was the same age, had parents that believed the same as Kat, chose not to vaccinate him. We left and moved to a different area and 15 years later returned to visit. My parents explained things to us beforehand but there was no words to discribe what we saw. Our cousin got polio. He never learned to walk, talk and spent his life in bed with arms and legs twisted. His mental capacity was like a 2 year old. We were devastated to see him in this condition. It is heartbreaking and sadly he passed away shortly after that. This is a terrible disease that can take lives and is preventable through vaccination. I wish Kat well and hopefully she will never know what it's like to see someone suffer from this.
missie Torrance 6 years ago
If she wont vaccinate her kids, legally she cannot send her kids to school here--because her kids would pick up polio,and other bad disease,go to school,itd get carried everywhere on kids.--even old people and those with weak immune systems can't have un-vaccinated little disease carriers all over Disney Land--she is allowing OTHER PEOPLE'S KIDS TO GET SICK.ASK yerr doctor.
Shawn Ruester 6 years ago
Not vaccinating is bad altogether. It will promote illnesses that were otherwise almost completely wiped out and may even bring back something as serious as the black plague (yes I know it was carried by flees but traveled very quickly through people). Seriously anti-vacciners are putting everyone at risk not just themselves. I used to like watching her and well this totally changes my opinion of her altogether.
Frances M 6 years ago
My dad doesnt believe in vaccinations so I had none. I’m also partially deaf from rubella (German measles) as a baby. My hubby also didn’t get all his vaccinations and had mumps as a child. He was scared he was infertile as a result as we had trouble having kids. My neighbours grandchild caught meningitis as a tiny baby and I was terrified for her but so happy that my kids had been vacccinated against it. All my kids have every vaccine going and if more come out then I’ll make them get that too.
Denis Lliiggaannooww 6 years ago
Why dying in ICU is better? Everyone is excited about their upcoming 80-s?
Gail Agasi 6 years ago
My 15 year old daughter wasn’t feeling well. We decided to take her to the hospital. She walked in with us, into the emergency room. Two and a half hours later, she died. Bacterial meningitis, killed her. Another name for this killer, is, meningococcal septicemia. This happened 24 years ago. Her death and the deaths of others, spurred the doctors and and scientists, to research and find a good vaccine, against this horrible disease. My child was among many children and adults who were infected by this sickness. Some died and some didn’t. However, most survivors had their legs amputated, as a life saving procedure. Parents, who don’t want their children to be vaccinated, should review that statistics of deaths or severe lifelong conditions, before vaccines were available. Children and adults, died or were paralyzed from, measles, polio, diphtheria, meningococcal meningitis, influenza and other diseases. There bacteria, are still with us. Don’t risk your children’s lives!
Sylvia Genders 6 years ago
As long as vaccines contain mercury, aluminum and egg albumin (and now some use human fetal tissues), I am against them. This lady had her son for 23 years: mine went deeply autistic after his MMR vaccination. It happens enough that people need to think this through, and Big Parma and the FDA need to make changes because they know all about this growing problem.
Debra Starr Moon 6 years ago
There are no DEFINITIVE links to autism or anything else from vaccines. Only those who BELIEVE this to be true, absent concrete medical proof. However, the danger from catching measles or mumps or any other preventable diseases is REAL. They can and do kill. More people have died from those diseases than from a vaccination. To force an infant into that risk group is unconscionably narrow-minded and selfish. I hope she changes her mind after OBJECTIVE research, not just reading inflammatory articles that tell her what she wants to hear.
Anne McGill 6 years ago
My Mom was quarantined as a child for over a month. I don't know what she had (she is gone now) but whatever it was, caused permanent heart damage. Her Father and siblings had to move out of the house, groceries had to be delivered, no one except doctors and nurses were allowed to visit. Now imagine that Gramma had a choice, but chose not to vaccinate. Imagine how awful it would feel to have chosen to let your child become sick and then they become seriously ill when you could have easily prevented it. I know that in my Mom's case that is not what happened, but this is what all of the anti-vaxxers are risking, I could never do that to a child, heck I couldn't take that chance with my dogs. Shame on them.
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
Have you ever looked at the ingredients in a vaccine? Have you really?
Just another panda 6 years ago
Being a vegan doesn't make you an anti-vaxer, just as being an anti-vaxer doesn't make you a vegan. I think there is some confusion in these comments, so wanted to clear this up.
Joannie Goulet 6 years ago
Even if this "vaccines cause autism" b******t was true (spoiler: it's not) I'd rather have an autistic child than a dead child.
Vanda Forisky 6 years ago
Could not care less what she does with her kid. They always told me to make a birth plan which I found ridiculous. You can not plan birth. I wish her good luck with the home birth but I hope she doesn’t run into complications.
Wojciech Dziedzic 6 years ago
I love how regardless of the fact that the doctor who created this modern anti-vaccine movement already came out and said that he was paid to spread lies by an insurance company this idiots still believe vaccines aren't good for their children and cause autism...
Amina Hays 6 years ago
Thank you everyone for saying my autism wasn't caused by vaccines. I already know this but it's nice to have people in my corner. People who think vaccines cause autism are morons.
Lynda Johnson 6 years ago
I only wish that the nurses and doctors gave clear details of the ingredients used and side affects. When I did my homework I was told to look on line. Most of the ingredients used were toxic to humans and the side affects were many. Potentially compromising a healthy immune system. I was told to give my baby vit k because babies had died from internal bleeding and yet no evidence was provided of these cases or the numbers who had died. Pharmaceutical manufacturers are the ones who produce the research in their favour and sell their products based in fear. Whilst many lives have been saved using a range of natural and pharmaceutical products. We should be free to make our own choices based on solid research Too many people are stuck in fear and just listen to doctors. Do they think they have ALL the answers? No. Do your homework and research.
Kayci Rush 6 years ago
https://www.forbes.com/sites/dandiamond/2015/02/04/measles-is-just-the-start-whooping-cough-outbreaks-are-on-the-rise-too/
Çhïräñjït Gøgøî 6 years ago
If i m not wrong vegan dnt use any animal products...i dnt know much..bt i jst want to know whether she will be feeding her baby her own milk or not?
Marlene Jones 6 years ago
So when her kid comes down with say, measles, mumps, chicken pox or whatever who will she blame? It will be her fault if her child dies from one of these diseaes or has permanent brain damage. Good luck with your new baby and its childhood diseases it is sure to acquire. You lady are one huge dumbass. I am 69 yrs old and i have had all these diseases. They are not fun...you like seein your kid with 103 fevers? Or hurting so much they cry all night. Or they are scratchin so much they cant sleep and have to wear gloves to keep from bleeding? Yeah go ahead and dont vaccinate your little one, the. Watch it suffer. Egotistical a*s.
Anilda 6 years ago
Even just the choice of birth is a huge risk...friends almost lost baby and mom...baby has brain damage now, hopefully it will only be epileptic. For the diet, be my guest, ensure to take enough suppliments for vitamin shortages... though living in what the world sees as a 3rd world country, trust me your child needs all the help they can get to be safe agains the virusses around us every day.
Leizel Verbel 6 years ago
Yet another reason not to go to the US. Want to keep me and loved ones healthy and away from diseases that were gone for good. Thank you antivaxxers and hope soon countries require proper vaccination to travel, will laugh my a*s off all of those crazy idiots!
Lisa Stone 6 years ago
I don't what other state's policies are but in NYS, you have to have certain vaccinations to be able to attend school. So she will home-school her children just because she refuses to vaccinate them?
Tara James 6 years ago
What if her perfectly planned home birth goes wonky like mine did with my first child (so common!)? What’s she going to say if there’s no more choices but a rushed trip to the hospital, induction meds, an epidural and the possibility of a c section. Life, more often than not, doesn’t go to plan. I just hope her child stays healthy and disease free.
Jeny Kennedy 6 years ago
She's making all us witchy, weirdo, tattoo artists look bad. She got whiny when she got famous. She used to be chubby...and way cooler.
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
Why do celebrities post something and then say if you don't agree don't bother writing anything? What happen to Free Speech? One of several reasons I do not like listening to celebrities posting their opinions about anything (especially politics) is because there are a lot of stupid people in America that believe just because a celebrity said something it must be true! God would not have given the gift of medical knowledge and healing to doctors if he didn't want them to use their gift. Doctors spend years in school, medical school, internship, residency and some even fellowships, but I'm sure Kat von D knows more. I was 22 when I had my son in a birthing room at the hospital, things change in an instant. I was happy to have a doctor and I never questioned, never thought twice about his vaccinations when it came time. I was protecting my baby!
Rhana Wyble 6 years ago
Why is it that celebrities can dish out their idiotic opinions, but immediately tell you if you disagree not to bother to respond? It's exactly why I don't think they should be allowed to speak about politics or anything important because their are people in America just as stupid as they are and will listen to them just for the fact they are famous. God would not have given doctors the wisdom and the knowledge of medicine if he didn't want us to use it, especially to protect our babies and they are our babies no matter how old they get. Doctors went to years of school, medical school, intership, residency and some onto fellowships, but yes let's listen to a tattoo artist because she knows better for that baby. Iy should be considered child endangerment!
Eulalie Grace 6 years ago
I'm all for more natural remedies and physical therapy instead of just popping a pill or slicing and dicing your body. There is a lot to be said for many alternative treatments. But when it comes to my child's wellbeing, I take no chances. I do genealogy requests and sometimes go into cemeteries to get information. Many of the older places have children's areas. The number of graves is sad, and there are plots were siblings are all together. And most of the dates are from before many vaccines. That says it all. Negative reactions do occur. We lost a young family member who had a bad reaction and, yes, it was from vaccines. And it was sudden and devastating. I'm NOT making light of her death, but that's the way most childhood was before we learned to fight horrible killing and crippling diseases. I do not want to return to those good old days.
Christina Sersif 6 years ago
What's the most haunting disgusting thing about most of these "anti vaccinators" are they'd rather bury a child than have a child with autism. The thing is VACCINES DON'T CAUSE AUTISM. Caps for the people in the back
Wendy Grant 6 years ago
In Africa, measles is the single biggest killer of children. Measles! A childhood disease for which vaccines are available. Vaccinate, people! Polio had been eradicated before the no vaccine brigade began to get traction. Now it's back.
El Dragonata 6 years ago
People like Kat Von D shouldn't have children. If she wants to live her tinfoil lifestyle, so be it, but she shouldn't inflict her dangerous and woefully ill-informed practices on the defenceless, i.e. her unborn child. She's awful. I already feel sorry for her child being born to such a dumb motherfunker of a human being – and it hasn't even been born yet.
Mada Grinci 6 years ago
If her son was vaccinated how come he got sick? Isn’t that the whole point of being vaccinated to not get sick? Or does this make the vaccine useless, considering he got sick even though he was vaccinated as a child. Just a random thought.
Revital Shapira 6 years ago
Unfortunately, there is no vaccination against stupidity. It never ceases to amaze me that people just ignore all the million of lives that were saved during the 100 and something years mass vaccination is done in western societies, and instead focus on side effects that are not scientifically proven and only appear in biased and unprofessional "research". I wish she was living in a 3rd world country and "enjoying" vaccine free, drug free, and medicine free life.
Cassandra Killjoy 6 years ago
Anti-vaccinators make me so angry. Not vaccinating your kid is not only putting your kid in danger, but also everyone who comes in contact with your kid. Vaccines only work if everyone uses them. My mother is an extremely sick person. She has a multitude of auto-immune diseases and a terrible immune system. She is bed-ridden 95% of the time and barely leaves the house. Getting a cold sets her back months, sometimes a year. Every time I hear about this sort of thing it kinda feels like a massive f**k you.
MissFrizzle 6 years ago
This pisses me off and I will never watch Kat VonD again. Idiot. You are a tattoo artist. You know NOTHING. You know what I am? A public school teacher. When I find out your kid hasn't been vaccinated, I want your kid to stay the hell away from me and the rest of my students because your kid is a walking time-bomb. Homeschool your kid if you think you know best. My niece has DiGeorge Syndrome. It's a chromosome defect that effects learning, swallowing, growth, and most importantly, the immune system. My niece CAN'T receive vaccines because the vaccines would kill her. She had virtually no immune system so in order to live a "normal" life, she relies on "herd immunity." Have you heard of that, oh Genius Tattoo Artist? ItImeans,
MissFrizzle 6 years ago
It means, her life literally depends on the people around her to be vaccinated. OR SHE WILL DIE if she catches mumps, measles, chicken pox, etc. She CAN'T be vaccinated so she NEEDS everyone around her to be vaccinated. You think big pharma is making bank on your child's immunizations and that they're worthless? God you are stupid. Polio has been eradicated from the United States because of vaccines. Now what if everyone just "chose not to vaccinate"? An epidemic is what would happen. Children would get sick and die all over the place and the lifespan of a person would go back to being 40 years old (which isn't actually a bad thing since those were the idiots who didn't vaccinate-natural selection I guess).
Load More Replies... Caroline Driver 6 years ago
I can't quite see the connection between having a water birth and a doula, or even being vegan, with believing bollocks based on an original lie about vaccination.
Louise Brigance 6 years ago
I don't give a damn if you vaccinate your kid or not...just keep them the hell away from mine. AND if your advertising your ill advised decision, you are not seeking advice, well meaning or otherwise. YOU want people to tell you either your SO brave, noble, and courageous or that you are making a mistake and jeopardizing your family and other people's families. YOU want the attention so you can say Look at me!! Do all of us a favor and STFU your're being an attention grabbing whore.
Susan Parsolano 6 years ago
I think she needs to do more research. I do not understand how people can come to the conclusion that NOT vaccinating their children is a good thing? Of course there are exceptions d/t allergies, lower immune systems, and other medical conditions. But the information out there from reputable, educated, scientific studies, pediatricians, nurses, and scientists all prove that vaccinating our children is good for them and good for society as a whole. I think it may be that our society is much more self centered these days. We are all so connected electronically but so disconnected personally. It's sad. I hope that she will continue to do research and learn from educated medical professionals and realize that what is "cool" may not be what is right. All natural IS NOT always the safest way to go. Be smart people. Use your brain and the plethora of reliable information available to you... and also think how your actions affect not only you but all those around you.
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
Hepatitis is not only a sexually transmitted disease. There is Hep A, Hep B, Hep C, Hep D
Desarae Stillman 6 years ago
Viruses change over time. I was vaccinated as a kid and chose to get re-vaccinated as an adult in my 30's because I worked in a large hospital. We knew whooping cough had been on the rise in the US and started seeing adults become very ill from it. I am thankful I was vaccinated again. The disease presents as a cold because it doesn't get a chance to reach its full potential with antibodies already circulating.
Diana Hockley 6 years ago
Take a walk around the older areas of cemeteries and read the ages of the children on the headstones. Then think about what could happen if these diseases get hold again! The diseases are STILL AROUND and people who don't vaccinate their kids are opening the door WIDE.
Michelle Line 6 years ago
But how can you raise a vegan baby? What will you feed a newborn... carrot juice? Milk is NOT a vegan product, even human milk. So if mommy is going to breast feed, then she is not raising her baby as a vegan.
Jacquie Gariano 6 years ago
I feel you have the right to have a birth as you want it and raise your child Vegan or any other diet you want. But you don't have the "right" to kill me or my children by not getting your child vaccines as needed. You put every other child and compromised person at high risk. You are self-serving and self-righteous and dumb. And unfortunitely will influence others to listen to bad information regarding life saving vaccines.
Cheryl Gaston 6 years ago
If you choose to listen to a tatoo artist with no medical or scientific training, then keep your kids at home and away from those too young or too weak to be vaccinated. This is a truly a selfish and unreasonable choice. The childhood diseases for which we have vaccines can be very dangerous, are proven to have led to deaths, and THEY WORK! Folks, this is a dangerous fad among people who do not understand the choices they make. I don't care what you eat, but leave the medical decisions to those who know. Vaccinations do not cause autism and are not part of a corporate conspiracy. I wonder how you will react if your child gets spinal meningitis as a complication from chicken pox. In the years before a chicken pox vaccine, one of my neighbor's children -- just a kindergartner -- died from that. And, to the idiot commenter who is nostalgic about ancient times and asks what "they" did before vaccines, the answer is THEY DIED.
Christine Bandaly 6 years ago
I am very sorry Caroline suffered with her ill son and I don't really know Kat but what I do know is this is her child, her life and your bullcrap opinions are just that - bullcrap. I love meat and am not vegan but because I have Lupus my adult children have never been vaccinated. They are healthier than most adult's I know. I am not anti vac but I do question why we lead the world in vac's and why do we have to give our kids so many. I do believe that they are causing side effects that we didn't have when we gave half the vac's we do now. Just putting in out there.
Fayette Hauser 6 years ago
For someone like Kat Von D who lives in a large city and comes in intimate contact with many people on a daily basis due to her occupation, I think it's insane not to vaccinate. I also think that imposing one's adult life choices on a young infant or child who is unable to make choices of their own is grossly unfair. Vegan diets are highly restrictive and can possible not provide enough nutrition for a growing baby/child. Kat Von D is a healthy adult probably because her parents not only vaccinated her but also gave her a well-rounded nutritional diet when she was growing up.
Crouching_Penn_Hidden_Teller@yahoo.com 6 years ago
who the hell is Kat Von D and why should I care about anything she does?
Kim Lorton 6 years ago
Woman, she could lose her child in the womb, or the child could be born with severe birth defects. So, Kat Von Dee, do your research. But do it all, thoroughly. What can happen to others if exposed to your unvaccinated child, and what could happen to your own child. And I’m pretty sure, schools now insist a child be vaccinated before being allows to enroll, so plan on homeschooling your child. Yourself. Because someone that homeschools or tutors kids? Won’t want to expose their kids or families or themselves to an unvaccinated child. I also wouldn’t be surprised, that if your child’s unvaccinated state, kills or causes the death of someone, a lawyer somewhere, will make a move to prove you are at fault, because after studying ALL the facts, decided not to vaccinate, and that choice, caused the death of someone or their child. And since you’ve put this choice out there, to the public, well, you just might be at fault. As far as vegan choices! Go for it! I think that is great.!
Kim Lorton 6 years ago
As a nurse, I see the effects of what not vaccinating a child can do. Mumps, measles and German measles, can kill. Sure you’re kid may be fine, but when your kid is ok, and exposes my kid, who isn’t old enough to be vaccinated yet, my kid could die! These common and deadly childhood diseases will also render any adult , sterile and males more than females. So, if your kid manages to make it to adult good, with no vaccines, and is exposed to one of these illnesses, by another unvaccinated kid, your son, will likely become sterile, so, no grandkids for you. Or children for him. Annie’s can die, so don’t be stupid, protect your child and others kids, and vaccinate your children, or.. feel free to go live somewhere else and share the diseases with other unvaccinated children and adults. I am a baby boomer. And I had all these childhood illnesses, measles, mumps and German measles. Another issue is, if your child who is unvaccinated, is exposed and comes in contact with a pregnant
Peter Kovak 6 years ago
This lady might be a very gifted artist and make wonderful tattoos. There is only one problem: she's not a doctor and not a dietary advisor. To decide without a proper education how her unborn child's metabolism will work...well, in my humble opinion that's at least insane.
Christina Gude 6 years ago
I am opposed to no vaccinations having lived in a "third world" country where so many "sported" pox all over their once beautiful (well, urrrr...still) faces. They were the lucky ones who didn't die of smallpox, which, incidentally has been wiped out, now. Further, I had had 3 kids already with little to no birth complications and had them all naturally and decided perhaps a home birth was in order. So glad that didn't happen as we almost lost our son who spent 10 days (on a respirator) in NICU and would have lost him had we gone ahead with the home birth. Phew!!! The "only" repercussions from that experience is that he lost some of his hearing and now wears hearing aids to boost what he has left. We'll never know the reason behind that loss but at least that's all that was lost. Otherwise he's a strong and by all accounts a handsome 30-something now that often stands to remind me of what could have been a disastrous decision.
Christine Funt 6 years ago
Since Kat vonD is a public figure and she made a public statement, she can't tell others not to comment on her statement. Kat, have you been vaccinated? Are you willing to keep your child away from everyone to keep her/him safe?
Jamie Clemons 6 years ago
There are no long term studies on how vaccinations cause cancer or what it does to us in the long term.
Marta Pająk 6 years ago
Why didn't they look at vegans, who are successful sportpeople now? They break world records in various disciplines, they are healthy, happy and morally fine at the same time. Why do people still confuse naming a diet with having a balanced diet? And what about those who are struggling to keep their children alive or going because they suffer from after-vaccination side-effect? It is not fair to show one side of the story, isn't it?
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Because omnivores get their feelings hurt when they find out that they won’t die without meat. Anything to keep the snowflakes from melting.
Load More Replies... Melinda Burge 6 years ago
Oh wow - I could say so much about this. Modern people in my country don't remember what it is like to have family members die of mumps and such diseases. If you go to poorer countries, you realize how lucky we are to have vaccinations! As much as I love Kat Von D and her make-up, I am with the pro-vax Mum on this one.
Christine M Quigley 6 years ago
We depend on 'herd immunity' more than you think..Most people don't remember polio, but it killed a lot of kids. Diphtheria- you choke to death. Pertussis- cough constantly until you start breaking your ribs. And it will kill a newborn. Selfish is the right word.
Renee Johnson 6 years ago
If she is Rh negative and the baby is positive, will she also refuse the Rhogam shot to keep from having future miscarriages or children who are injured by her own blood fighting what it sees as an invader to her body?
Sally Appleton 6 years ago
"People act like vaccines have been around forever, they are unnecessary, what do they think people did before hospitals" Uhm.. They died during childbirth. I think that's the point.
Bianca Du Toit 6 years ago
I think anti-vaxxers are complete dumbasses who shouldn't be allowed to procreate.
KT Trondsen 6 years ago
What a foolish woman. She thinks not vaccinating is the answer to healthy living? That is insane and completely the opposite. I hated vaccinating my kids because of all the tears and the way they looked at me afterwards :(. But I did it because it is what's best for their health.
Jason Hommel 6 years ago
So, the mom that "shut her down" vaccinated her kid, who still got the mumps? And the people who refuse vaccines, because they don't work, are the problem? I fail to see how this utter logic fail shuts down the antivaxxers.
Teresa Martins 6 years ago
Imagine your child losing his life, knowing that a vaccine could've saved his life!! Polio and many diseases have been irradiated as a result of vaccines....
Allie Fujito 6 years ago
Is there a difference between the minority of people who have terrible, even deadly reactions to vaccines, and the even smaller minority of people who have dangerous complications from mumps? It was only 55-60 years ago when EVERYONE got mumps, and IT WAS CONSIDERED A VERY MILD BUT ANNOYING INFECTION. It was primarily seen in children, not adults, not infants. Infants were born with a few years of passive immunity conferred by their UNVACCINATED mothers, who had had mumps themselves as children. Mumps deaths were unheard of; there are no listings in the US National Vital Statistics Records of mumps deaths. Complications were rare. So why would we think Caroline Hirons is "shutting down" Kat, when mumps is a mild infection for 99+% of the population? She should be angry with Merck, who is now being sued by their own virologists, who allege that they were forced to falsify efficacy data for the mumps portion of the MMR -- perhaps why it failed her son
Lois Matelan 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before vaccines?" PEOPLE DIED; THAT'S WHAT PEOPLE DID. If you look at rates of mortality--especially of young children, before vaccines were developed, you will see the obvious and overwhelming truth that VACCINES SAVE LIVES.
Lois Matelan 6 years ago
"What do they think people did before vaccines?" PEOPLE DIED; THAT'S WHAT THEY DID. The evidence is overwhelming that VACCINES SAVE LIVES. Please don't risk your baby's life and health because you are ill-informed.
Maria Ofar 6 years ago
remember when bored panda had a civilised, non biased conversation on a divisive subject that wasn't bought out by popular opinion? nah, me either. enjoy your unnecessary toxins
Vicky Krupnik 6 years ago
I honestly can'tsay that the way things are in today's society that if I were having a baby, I would get those vaccines. There is a reason why so many babies are being born and diagnosed with Autism. It is occurring way too often. There are SO MANY THINGS TO TAKE INTO CONSIDERATION.
Laugh Fan 6 years ago
The autism MMR link has been thoroughly disproved now by physicians and scientists. Andrew Wakefield was found guilty by the General Medical Council of serious professional misconduct in May 2010 and was struck off the Medical Register. Wakefield's paper re the link between MMR and autism was described as "perhaps, the most damaging medical hoax of the last 100 years". Deadly diseases are now returning because people aren't being vaccinated. Vaccines are made of dead or weakened antigens. The immune system creates anti-bodies to protect the vaccinated person. You have been protected by herd immunity - which is now being eradicated due to misinformation. Knowledge saves lives but anecdotal BS kills.
Load More Replies... Pale Panda 6 years ago
A baby in Belgium died because his parent wanted to raise it vegan. Babies need milk.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Vegan babies get milk from their mom, snowflake.
Load More Replies... Barbette Spitler 6 years ago
This woman is sharing her son's experience... which could happen to anyone. Mumps is not a fatal disease. It seldom causes a hospital experience. However, in this case, coupled with dehydration, maybe a poor diet and who knows what else was going on with him before the virus hit... his health sufferred. If Mom is a vaxxer, he was vaccinated with the MMR. So the vaccine failed him. His overall health failed him. There is more to this than just the mumps and more to his story than some anti-vaxer caused this!
Robert Wiersema 6 years ago
It should also be noted that putting a child on a vegan diet could cause death. Not to mention a lifetime of health problems after suffering malnutrition as a child. Low blood pressure, iron deficiency and poor muscle development is not what you want for your child.
Ruth Beaty 6 years ago
I'm not anti-vacc, my kids had them all except the chicken pox (wasn't around when they were little), wish they could have small pox but you can't get one for it because it is supposedly "eradicated". I had mumps, measles, and chicken pox as a child because there were no vaccines then, but my parents at least took us to get the smallpox and polio vaccines. These are horrible diseases, and they are not benign by any definition of the word. Do your research and see how many people died or had had medical conditions even though they survived the diseases. And worst of all, even though my kids had the vaccines, one of my sons still had mumps twice, just not as severe as it would have been without the vaccines. Turns out mumps are a glandular infection and you can possibly still have them.
Jack Feuerstein 6 years ago
Seriously, someone needs to just come to her house Jehova's witnesses style and not leave until she is actually educated. I can't stand people like this. I didn't know that measles actually started to come back because of her. I'll gladly "f%&$ off" when her son dies a probably slow and painful death from a disease she likely could have vaccinated against. People that are so drunk on the joy of an "unpopular opinion" or some c**p that are also unfortunately famous get to spread these ideas that they know better than countless scientists' entire careers and people follow because 'muh famous person said'.
Grumble O'Pug 6 years ago
To me the most selfish part of anti-vaxxers is that the lack of care given to those who _can't_ vaccinate their children due to illness or immune issues. It is so selfish and disgusting. The ignorance and moronic prattle just drives me nuts.
Jade Hendry 6 years ago
People who do not vaccine their children should be charged with child abuse and endangering the public, because that what it is.
Jade Hendry 6 years ago
Damn those antiboitics for curing the f*****g plague, damn those vaccines for curing the mumps, rubella, and all that other nastiness. Seriously, people who dont vaccinate their kids, should NOT be allowed to parent. It is, in essence, child abuse.
Caroline Murphy 6 years ago
Our whole family were vaccinated and out of all of us only one of my aunt's has autism
Riccardo Sabatini 6 years ago
Electrical plants are supposed to be like One Piece Devil Fruits, I guess.
Csaba Hegedűs 6 years ago
Kat Von D's own words: "So your bad comments are not going to influence me - actual research and education will - shich I am diligently doing." Only I see a controversy here?
Elegant Vandalism 6 years ago
Wasn't there a case recently where some parents had their son taken away from them because they were raising him vegan, and he was so malnourished and sick? I'm all for living a healthy/cruelty free life, but not at the risk of the child who a) needs all the vitamins and minerals needed to grow up strong and healthy and b) the child who isn't old enough yet to make their own informed choices and relies on the parent who brings them into this world to care for them and nurture them... Even the neanderthal man ate meat and drank dairy when he/she could....
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
You get all the vitamins and minerals you need from plants. The child in question just wasn’t fed right but omnivores hopped on this because they need to justify the killing of animals. They forgot about the millions of neglected and malnourished omnivorous children.
Load More Replies... Paul Mitchell 6 years ago
People put that s****y tattooing ink into their bodies that has never been checked for anything ever and yet refuse to be vaccinated? I don't usually swear, but what the f**k?
Justin Ray 6 years ago
God people are stupid..... Anti vaccination policies are garbage. This is in the same vein as those videos where someone puts a phone in the microwave to charge it. Its not going to have the results you think and there will be catastrophic consequences. Seriously i am being pranked right now I hope. Is this a new internet challenge? Lets play the "get a child killed by smallpox challenge"? You know what how about she does the tide pod challenge to. Doctors and scientists have told you that not vaccinating your children could kill them. Just like they have told you that eating tide pods could kill them. But i dont see you eating tide pods to prove them wrong. Please PLEASE prove them wrong. Maybe youll win a darwin award for it.
Connie Martin 6 years ago
Yah, well, a doula ain't going to do you much good if you have complications like uncontrolled bleeding.
CM Blaser 6 years ago
There's a reason we don't put tattoo artists in charge of the pediatric ward: you have to have training and the ability to think critically and assess the risk to reward ratio.Practicing crackpot medicine will get your child dead or damaged, no matter who is making the bad decisions. Rethink this mom.
Tammy Mackay 6 years ago
Yet another ignorant celebrity trumpeting the antivacc idiocy. Forget science and go for the numbers. Vaccination levels are at an all time low but autism diagnoses are increasing, cases of preventable diseases are on the rise and subsequent deaths from those diseases are at an all time high. Now look at several areas in Africa where polio has been eliminated by vaccination and on a worldwide scale we seem to have completely wiped out smallpox. Celebrity obviously doesn’t guarantee intelligence or the ability to do some proper research, nor does it keep their stupid mouths shut.
Random Panda 6 years ago
Exactly. And the thing with autism cases increasing is probably because of improved methods of diagnosing it. Modern life is so chaotic compared to before and a lot harder to navigate for such people. Some decades ago someone autistic would have been considered just a bit weird.
Load More Replies... Poopy Pants 6 years ago
I this broad doesn't want to be "judged", then why is she posting her opinions all over social media? Just keep your nutty ideas to yourself!
Michele Grzywacz 6 years ago
Ahhhh, remember the time when we didn't have to listen to every nutbags idea of raising a child free of civilization? If Kat von D wants to spew her personal beliefs all over then she should expect the deluge of s**t coming back. Why do you think anyone gives AF about your beliefs?
Lynne Darroch 6 years ago
Well I tweeted at her to consider being responsible and working for the greater good, rather than being another bourgeois with "personal choice." That'll fix 'er I'm sure.
Ingela Ambreen 6 years ago
She doesn't have to vaccinate... But then she'll have to deal with the kid catching something and being sick
Aunt Messy 6 years ago
And she will be a murderer if any other kids die because of her little disease vector.
Load More Replies... Kenny Kulbiski 6 years ago
Have you tried to hire a good witch doctor lately? Or find a Ram to sacrifice? Guess I'll have to take a chance on modern science.
diane a 6 years ago
the Polio Myelitis immunisation wasnt even an injection - i clearly remember the pink sugar lump
Maria Maria 6 years ago
It can be either oral or injection depending on various factors.
Load More Replies... diane a 6 years ago
i got measles mumps and chicken pox as a child - I luckily survived - i had all the innoculations going at the time - there was a chance the MMR vaccine gave me mumps but I got through it - i didnt get too seriously ill- although it was bad for a 7 year old - glandular fever was worse - but there isnt a vaccination for that
Iapetos 6 years ago
Interesting. I don't think I know anyone who had problems with vaccines.
Load More Replies... Aunt Messy 6 years ago
She doesn't really have good ink, though. It's all cliches and tacky c**p.
Load More Replies... Fiona Buoninfante 6 years ago
I just want to say as an RN while I just want to scream when another privileged white person thinks they know everything, I find these articles comments section much like this one is overwhelmed by smart people who understand how important vaccinations are for babies not just to protect said baby, but to protect those who cannot receive vaccines due to immune issues, etc....I work in NYC and I can tell you Doctors and Nurses think these people are idiots. Somehow I think even if you sat this lady down and explained "herd immunity" being the reason these diseases were almost eradicated and are now creeping back, she wouldn't listen I am so refreshed by all of your comments thank you all for knowing what the fu** you're talking about.
Full Name 6 years ago
You put "privileged white person" in the first line, haha. WTF?! You silly SJW's. You read something about someone's opinion on vaccinations and you open with their bank account and skin colour? You self loathing racist, geez.
Load More Replies... Valerie Dalian 6 years ago
Some vaccination avoid death, it is as simply as that, because certain disease have no cure at all !! I really do hope she believes in God becasue she will need His supernatural intervention to protect the kid..
Chelle Snail 6 years ago
I agree with Caroline. So glad her son is ok. I am dead against anti-vaxxers for similar reasons. I have caught horrible things all because dumb people don't vaccinate or keep themselves clean in terms of not sneezing or coughing all over public spaces. Go to hell Kat Von, I got no respect for you, selfish cow.
Nina B 6 years ago
I think she might get a rude awakening soon or later in her childs life, of course I hope her child never have to get sick or nothing happens to either mom and child. BUT I am still against this, a vegan diet can only work if she cooperate with a doctor who monitor the babys health and what the baby need. And anti vaxxers have such a a lack of information, it is sad. It is such a bad image to spread to your fans and on to your own child who dont get a say in it at all, because you already have decided how your child shall live. Vaccinations have preventet seriously deadly diseases spreading, polio and measles are nearly as deadly in the western world as it was, I HAVE NEVER heard of polio or measles claiming a life in my country as an example. AND many have compromised imunne systems or cant take vacinations because of allergys - here herd immunity is KEY to protect those... This whole thing and statement makes me just sad and angry, Kat Von D could have easily not have posted this.
Friedrich Schulz 6 years ago
She is one STUPID b***h to skip vaccinations on her kid , but then again, who are we to stop her... Her kid will die an AGONIZING death from a preventable disease , and Darwin cleans the gene pool of the stupid!!!!! its a win - win for the human race!!!!! 19437416_1...e7d635.jpg
Friedrich Schulz 6 years ago
She is one STUPID b***h! But then again if her kids die an Agonizing death from preventable diseases, Darwin cleans the gene pool & we all win , so stopping her from killing her kids that way would be a bad thing as it removes STUPID from the gene pool... 19437416_1...d9b7bf.jpg
Eshaa Venkatesh 6 years ago
The person who left the "namaste" after her tweet is an even bigger idiot than Kat Von D! B*tch my people invented the word and even we vaccinate our kids! For all the ancient knowledge and natural medicine, even the poor in our country know that it is really important to vaccinate. Having seen a family member contract and suffer with Polio, not vaccinating is too big a risk to take. The world has managed to end many epidemics thanks to everyone vaccinating, it takes one stupid self-righteous idiot like Kat Von Don to take civilization back a couple hundred years.
Renee Pina 6 years ago
wow some response are so triggered. i had vaccines and didn't stop me from getting mumps as a child so much bs!
Sally Lindberg 6 years ago
She will risk her baby and other people for her ignorance if she goes through with the no vaccine nonsense! The theory she thinks is ok regarding the dangers of vaccines has been disproven beyond ANY doubts! Don't be stupid, lady.
Anna Cedervall 6 years ago
People who are against vaccines simply dont know enugh about biology. They take "advice" from others rather then looking up facts. I Wonder how many sick/ dead people it takes before they stop with the trend "everything in modern medicin is bad".
CC Hogan 6 years ago
The idiotic anti-vacs often forget another really important point about vaccinations. They not only prevent or reduce the chance of your own child getting a potentially deadly or disabling disease, but they prevent the SPREAD of disease to other children. Often, people who decide against vaccinations are only safe because EVERYONE ELSE had the vaccinations. The measles vaccination reduced the death rate around the world from measles by 84% between 2000 and 2016 (WHO). That adds up to around TWENTY MILLION deaths prevented. And this happened because of MASS vaccination, not one or two people. Not vaccinating a baby and exposing them to the potential for death and brain damage is not much different to letting them crawl along a kerb without supervision. A friend who is a pediatric matron uses just two words to sum it up - child abuse. Remember, though the numbers are down, hugely, measles still kills 90,000 people a year. Many are children.
Brigitta Swart 6 years ago
She is a stupid woman, full of self importance and should not be allowed to have kids. I reckon she covers her body in tattoos because she has deeper issues
Kathy Trites 6 years ago
I don't understand Kat Von D's supposed love of all things "natural"when she dyes her hair, plasters herself in makeup and injects ink and dyes into her all natural skin. the second she feel a heavy contracton she'll be all "bring on the drugs". Also, reason why she is still here alive herself? her parents vacinated her when she was a child.
Giovanni Pipicella Luciana DiMari 6 years ago
Start from the basics: 1) if public your opinion on a social media that opinion become (guess what) PUBLIC. So be ready to hear from people who doesn't think like youa 2) you can choose to give birth in athe drug free way but, when you choose that your son is not going to be vaccinated, you are thakibg a decision for another human being first, and then for the people with he will be in contact so be ready if somebody will criticize your decisionown 3) dumb a*s
Grace Hoggard 6 years ago
Sigh, how many times do we have to point out to these people THE STUDY WAS FAKED, THE RESULTS WERE MANIPULATED. The doctor was struck off and discredited. There is no proof that vaccine cause autism. I understand wanting to try and keep things as natural as possible, in that case the kid should NOT be a vegan since we are Omnivores. Oh dear god I just realised vegans are like pandas, they used to eat meat but chose to survive on a plant that only grows for a season and has very little nutrition. Anyway, keeping things natural doesn't make sense, if we kept things natural the plague would still be around (I know it still is but not as bad as before), smallpox would still be around. By vaccinating kids we can wipe out these deadly diseases. I don't think anti vacciners realise just how devastating these can be, to the point of eradicating all human life on this planet.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
We aren’t omnivores. You are lying because you like how meat tastes. Serena Williams and thousands of other seriously fit sports stars are vegan. Most likely you’re fat and eat grease daily but think you know something about nutrition. Just know you are a bad person on the inside.
Load More Replies... Grace Hoggard 6 years ago
Its such a shame these vaccines have to be administered so young before the child is old enough to consent themselves. I remember getting vaccines for cervical cancer in secondary school and the permissions slips we had to get our parents to sign to confirm THEY were ok with us having the vaccine. I'm sorry why should our parents decide when we're old enough to consent at that time, not once are we asked if we want the vaccine we're just expected to take it or not take it. Going back to the concerns the child could be autistic how many times do we have to point it out to these people THE STUDY WAS FAKED, MANIPULATED the doctor was struck off and his work discredited. There is no proof that vaccinating your child with ANY vaccine ,because MMR was the only one studied, will result in autism
Tor Rolf Strøm 6 years ago
GOD SHE IS SO F*****G DUMB. Like, she like, can barely like, speak, like, you know, like. It's not like awesome. and OF COURSE she has to drag vegans even further down in the mud. What a complete dumb b***h. Vaccinate your stupid a*s.
Vlad-Horia Raduti 6 years ago
You should not have a choice, vaccination should be mandatory. I really don't care if you make bad decisions and die, that's your fking problem, but that kid didn't do anything wrong. Also, everyone else around didn't do s**t to deserve getting some long "eradicated" disease because you think you know better than doctors and scientist.
Shiyanu Neko 6 years ago
oooooh when u have a 25 year old son eating junk food he gets sick what a shocker..
Perla 6 years ago
Its amazing how people simply cannot understand, the plain truth, of how unhealthy animal products truly are. A vegan diet is optimal for us. Here is a link that explains the biology behind it on those who wish to believe what is true, not what they would rather believe because they enjoy their milk and meat too much to give it up. https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/05/31/doctor-explains-how-humans-have-a-strict-vegan-physiology-anatomy/
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
How dare you suggest not murdering animals. Omnivores won’t have that!
Load More Replies... Kesyra 6 years ago
This post made me crige so much I think I dislocated my face. Forcing a lifestyle on a child is one thing (and I'm sure she will be healthy with responsible vegan diet too) but risking their life and other people with this vaccine free nonsense should be a crime.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
If she feeds him meat, she’s forcing that on to the baby too. According to your logic. All babies are forced into everything they do pretty much.
Load More Replies... Ganga Dasi 6 years ago
This post is creating hate between people with different opinions. I dont think bored panda is the place for such posts.
Vonskippy 6 years ago
Ok people - pack it up - Ganga Dasi doesn't think BP is a place to have a converstation - and now that God's dead and Ganga took his/her/it's place we have to do what she says. Don't forget to turn off the lights. Bye and thanks for all the fishes.
Load More Replies... westwing 6 years ago
Willfully ignorant is far worse than just being stupid. Of course I do have to remember the stupid twat once thought tattooing a huge portrait Jesse James’ ugly mug on her body was a fabulously smart idea too.....so you already have a good idea of her reasoning capabilities....
DeeJay Oleson 6 years ago
No issues with the home water birth aided by a Doula and midwife...then Vegan. My daughter did a very healthy pregnancy and has nursed her baby for half a year with an all Vegan diet. The baby is chubby and healthy like any Gerber baby! Why do all of that to give the baby health...and then destroy your baby and perhaps any others with awful diseases that were plagues of suffering and death. Kat obviously is an idealist who has no real parenting experience and absolutely no knowledge of history and medicine. Pray for her to gain common sense and wisdom along the way.
Angie Hart 6 years ago
I decided to do without the flu shot one year. I got the flu so bad that I was actually hallucinating. I don't play around with it anymore. To leave your kids vulnerable to worse diseases (especially when you yourself have likely been vaccinated) is criminal. I can understand waiting until they are a bit older and if you don't have them in public often, but risking them because of what a nutjob has posted you should have your kids taken from you.
Denise Melek 6 years ago
Good to know from someone, who works in that field.Do i get free natural hepatitis with each tattoo?!
Chris Leathers 6 years ago
These arguments become so black and white. I have kids and went through the same struggle/learning curve.. and we decided to vaccinate, but space out the vaccinations a bit wider than normal.. We did them all.. Because over all, the risk of diseases is higher than the risk of complications with the vaccine.. Its also more socially responsible to vaccinate.. IMO.. BUT!!!! That does not mean that vaccines are perfect. There is evidence that some of them, created in the 50's and before, contain high levels of heavy Metals.. and other compounds that MIGHT be responsible for some autism or other serious problems.. So I understand the fear of those complications and I think the threat is real!!! I'ts not black and white.. Not vaccinating DEFINITELY leads to problems.. for more than just the person.. AND vaccines need to be researched further, held to blame where accountable, and improved to modern standards!!!! Over all though.. vaccinate your kids and your selves. My Opinion.
Aunt Messy 6 years ago
Translation: I chose to put my kids at risk because internet. Is that about it? Where did you get your medical degree again?
Load More Replies... Jessi Collins 6 years ago
I think people have been not using the system for a long time and just because we decided to include you in our lives doesn't mean you shouldn't take a step back first and look around your life first Mame and THINK ABOUT WHAT IS CLOSEST TO YOU AS THE PROBLEM BEFORE YOU ACCUSE PERFECTLY HEALTHY PEOPLE AS THE SOURCE!! AND IF YOU AND YOUR SICKN SON GET NEAR ME I WILL takee defensive measure. Like the Police. Weirdo. !
John Scudamore 6 years ago
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Chris Sabol 6 years ago
How did her son get the mumps if he was vaccinated? Guess the vaccination didn't work?
Annette Laney 6 years ago
children need meat you should not force a child to be a vegan god made us to eat meat. if when that child is old enough to decide that they do not want to eat meat they should then decide on their own- many kids have died from nut jobs parents who try to raise infants as vegans - i have seen many stories on this not my own opinion
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
Humans don't need meat, there's nothing wrong with a vegan diet for kids as long as you watch their health carefully
Load More Replies... Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
Explain the cold I had in January then. I wasn’t sick? Just pretending? I guess I faked having PCOS too.
Load More Replies... Janet Faber 6 years ago
Childhood diseases are meant to be had in childhood. When an adult gets a childhood disease, it can have very serious complications like this young man suffered, and this is especially true for mumps. As a child, I had mumps, measles, chicken pox, and rubella, as did all my friends. No complications, no worries, just a lot of parental attentions and no school for a week. The upside also included life-long immunity to these diseases. Now a days, though, Pharma would like to enslave you with poison booster shots every 7-10 years for your whole life to prevent the very serious outcomes that come with NOT getting these diseases as children. Parents, think twice before you trust the indemnified Pharma. Pharma does not care for your health, they care only about PROFIT! Expose your children to childhood diseases as children, and stay away from Pharma and their poison.
Random Panda 6 years ago
Look, mumps and chicken pox can leave you scarred for life. You can go blind, deaf and have other lasting consequences and problems from diseases and vaccines prevent all of that. So quit it with the fear-mongering.
Load More Replies... Janet Faber 6 years ago
Childhood diseases are meant to be gotten in childhood and are very dangerous to get as an adult. As a child, I had measles, mumps, chicken pox, and rubella, as did all my friends. My generation will never need to worry about getting these childhood diseases as adults, because we got them as children and now have life-long immunity without boosters. Pharma is evil, and would like to enslave you for your whole life with dangerous booster shots every 7-10 years to prevent you from getting the diseases nature intended us to get as children.
Maria Maria 6 years ago
Where do you get your facts from, social media? You obviously do not know how vaccines work, nor the schedule of vaccines that is generally completed in childhood. Guess you don't get a tetanus booster? Guess you also don't know that the Clostridium bacteria live in soil, saliva, dust, and manure. Waiting for that small puncture wound to let the fun begin. Won't that be a funny moment when you're in full tentany spasm! One less......
Load More Replies... Yuan kapa 6 years ago
Well it depends on where you get your food supply still. If you are buying from GMO products, which are mostly and almost food produce you can ever find in America. Goodluck to your endeavors. Here in Asia, big part of the population aren't vaccined but many survived 85 years or life, some can even reach a century life and more than. It depends on your lifestyle and the environment you are exposed to.
Laugh Fan 6 years ago
It really doesn't work like that with these illnesses.
Load More Replies... Nancy Seton 6 years ago
I find this such a difficult discussion. Especially since I don't have children. I really don't know what I would do when I would/will ... It would take a lot of discussing with "both sides" (i.e, doctors who went to university and herbal doctors who have hundreds of years of old knowledge that really isn't always c**p) and try to make a choice from there. I do believe everyone should have a choice of their own in this. I also think it is not a good idea to promote this either way when you have so many people following and watching you, knowing how easily people are influenced in following you. It's human nature after all to follow a "leader".
Rena 6 years ago
sorry, but if everbody has a choice it is dangerous for everybody else. Since viruses need very short time to change rapidly, there is a good chance that the next gerations of measels, etc. change so much, that the vacination isn't working any more. Please look up how many people died of harmless children deseases and compare it to the figueres now.
Load More Replies... Anne de Winnaar 6 years ago
Amazing how many people on here are SO judgemental. It's Kat's body, her baby and her decision. Not yours. If you want to believe in eating meat, go right ahead. If you want to go to a hospital and have your baby, go right ahead. If you want to inject your babies with toxic substances, go right ahead. Those of you who abuse your babies which are just hours old by injecting it with a Hep B vaccine (which is a sexually transmitted disease by the way), go right ahead. Now tell me, how many of you are injecting YOURSELVES with the CDC adult vaccine schedule? Hmmm?! Are you fully adult vaccinated?! Even if you answer 'yes' publicly I can guarantee most of you are not. Bloody hypocrites.
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
Other people are gonna be involved in that if her unvaccinated child spreads a preventable disease to an immunocompromised child, or any child so if your decision may affect another child it's automatically not just her decision for herself as it could affect other people. Also, don't come at me with your little questionnaire at the end because I guarantee the people you're asking are vaccinated and you know that, this is just your way of trying to defend your BS ideas
Load More Replies... John Scudamore 6 years ago
Vaccine propaganda, they have had the cure for Mumps for decades, first discovered in the 1930s http://whale.to/a/mumps_and_vitamin_c.html
the MMR vaccine is 100% useless and highly dangerous http://whale.to/vaccines/mmr.html
esp the Mumps component as seen in MMR Urabe which caused meningitis http://whale.to/vaccine/mmr15.html
Mumps was always a safe disease until they attacked the immune system with vaccines http://whale.to/vaccines/mumps.html
and drugs such as Morphine http://whale.to/drugs/morphine_h.html
and fever reducing poisons like Calpol that cause meningitis http://whale.to/drugs/paracetamol1.html measlesvax...b9a2fe.jpg
Boom Boom 6 years ago
you should really look at more websites, whale.to may be unreliable and biased
Load More Replies... John Cahill 6 years ago
I have another question for Caroline. You say, "I took endless pictures of Dan in hospital to keep Jim up to speed ad he had stayed at home to look after our younger traumatised kids. Dan gave full permission for me to use the photo and to tell the story in detail..." Does this mean that the photo of Dan in hospital being monitored with face covered is not set up to illustrate the story after the actual event? ... I mean, are you saying that this is a photo of the actual set up in the hospital at the time of the crisis when the younger siblings were traumatised etc...?' fullsizeou...e-jpeg.jpg
Lazy Panda 6 years ago
No it mean a she took the photo for herself and when she decided to share the story online she asked him for his permission to use the photo first
Load More Replies... Melody Lanzatella 6 years ago
Babies definitely get A) too many vaccinations at once. And B) get a couple of vaccinations too early. That being said, don't throw the baby out with the bath water! Vaccinations given sensibly save lives!!
Shiyanu Neko 6 years ago
oh when ur 25 year old son gets to hospital from eating animal products junk food and smoking + alcohol its because he isnt vaccinated for sure... what a shocker.
Maria Maria 6 years ago
You do NOT know what his diet was when he became ill. You speak from ignorance, what a shocker!
Load More Replies... Perla 6 years ago
And as for the people who treat people who are anti-vax as if they are unethical, here are two more article links you may wish to peruse. There are exceptions with vaccinations, for example whooping cough, which can obstruct breathing in young children. But the vast majority of vaccinations are simply unnecessary. Here are two links to people who have woken up from the vaccination hoodwink and can think clearly: Vaccine Damaged – Jodie’s Story https://www.collective-evolution.com/2018/06/02/uk-doctor-mixed-8-vaccines-into-1-syringe-injected-it-into-child-heres-how-you-can-help/ Cardiologist Says: Don’t Vaccinate https://themindunleashed.com/2015/02/cardiologist-says-dont-vaccinate-amid-recent-vaccine-hysteria.html
Michaela Hammerson 6 years ago
Hmmm...if her vaccines worked so well I would think her grown son wouldn't have caught it. BTW, how many of you adults have had a mumps vaccine in adulthood?
Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't guarantee 100% you will not get sick, but significantly decrease the possibility and give you a better chance of survival if you do end up getting sick. The more vaccinated people we have, the less chance of anyone getting sick. This also gives immunocompromised people better protection via herd immunity. But when multitudes of people are not getting vaccinated they raise the risk of diseases spreading, which is why with the anti-vaxxer trend we see the return of dangerous diseases we thought had been eradicated.
Load More Replies... Azure Adams 6 years ago
Kat Von D is a trashy trash who is only good for a hump and dump. Why someone willing chose to breed with her is just so disgusting. Also for all you anti-vaxxers, the next wave will new releases of old diseases in high public areas. You know that incident at Disneyland with the measles. Completely planned. These things are easy to get ahold of on the black market and many groups have plans to release them surreptitiously in public places. It happens. When it does, you anti-vaxxers will have no support, no sympathy, and many investigations on you. On top of that, you will all be fighting each other to find out who started the contagion when it won't matter, your children will be gone. And it will be all your fault.
Meowton Mewsk 6 years ago
If she’s trash, how is she good for a hump unless the person humping her is also trash? I agree she’s trash but not following the sexism though.
Load More Replies... Kat Sotiriou 6 years ago
I don't care if they don't vaccinate it's about time we let stupid people die
Random Panda 6 years ago
Problem is they will kill other people too, since vaccines don't completely prevent infection, but decrease the chances of it (and give you a better chance if you do get sick). And there are also the immunocompromised.
Load More Replies... Lazy Panda 6 years ago
OK FIRST OF ALL... LOWER YOUR VOICE... STOP PUTTING SO MANY PERIODS... DO YOU EVEN... UNDERSTAND WHAT THREE... PERIODS TOGETHER MEANS second of all if you agree with that you lack basic sympathy and comprehension of the term contagious, if that child spreads a preventable disease to an immunocompromised child it's her fault for being so selfish and ignorant. Secondly, you don't know what that boys diet was so you have no right to make any assumptions. Lastly, no one told vaccinators how to raise their children because they were competent enough to do it properly
Load More Replies... Iapetos 6 years ago
At some point, we're all hypocrites, and I don't think those people ever truly reconsidered their behavior. This is why I love to cook for myself and my close ones instead of going to a restaurant that serves the masochistic masses' taste.
Load More Replies... Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't cause autism, this myth has been thoroughly debunked many. How about you educate yourself more on how life was before vaccines were invented, how many people died and what the consequences were for the ones who survived?
Load More Replies... Laugh Fan 6 years ago
No-one's talking about flu in this discussion. They are talking about deadly diseases that killed in droves in the earlier part of the last century and before. Diseases that people thought were gone. Diseases that are now returning because people aren't being vaccinated. You may well have been healthy but that's largely because the people around you will have been vaccinated and you have been protected by herd immunity. Vaccines are made of dead or weakened antigens. They can't cause an infection, but the immune system still sees them as an enemy and produces antibodies in response. The ability of the human body to do this is what protects you from these diseases. I don't mind people having a different viewpoint but when it affects others they aren't being fair. More education about vaccines is needed to prevent misunderstanding.
Load More Replies... Random Panda 6 years ago
Vaccines don't guarantee 100% you will not get sick, but it dramatically decreases the possibility and gives you a better chance of survival if you do end up getting sick. So the more vaccinated people we have, the less chance of anyone getting sick. This also gives immunocompromised people better protection via herd immunity. But when multitudes of people are not getting vaccinated they raise the risk of the disease spreading.
Load More Replies... Laugh Fan 6 years ago
People care because too many people not vaccinating their children are the reason why these diseases are coming back and killing people. You need a very large percentage of the population to vaccinate for herd vaccination to work and if a large enough number of her 'followers' are foolish enough to copy her it could cause an extreme amount of harm. Otherwise, no, I doubt if many people here care about the rest of her views. Anti-vaccination stances are dangerous.
Load More Replies... Iapetos 6 years ago
Convince me that autism as a consequence to vaccines exists.
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