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“She Has The Survival Instinct Of A Panda Raised In Captivity”: Guy Reprimands Fiancée After She Panics In A Dangerous Situation
“She Has The Survival Instinct Of A Panda Raised In Captivity”: Guy Reprimands Fiancée After She Panics In A Dangerous Situation
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“She Has The Survival Instinct Of A Panda Raised In Captivity”: Guy Reprimands Fiancée After She Panics In A Dangerous Situation

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We all respond to dangerous situations differently. Your body might instinctively go into fight, flight, freeze, or any combination of these responses. But can we control how our bodies react to trauma and stress? This question has recently caused a bit of drama in the life of a man and his fiancé. After going on a boating trip that quickly became dangerous, he was unamused by how his partner reacted, so he reached out online to get some outside opinions on his behavior. Below, you’ll find the full story, as well as conversations we were lucky enough to have with Dr. Lee H. Baucom and Dr. Kathy McMahon.   

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    Everyone responds in their own way when confronted with a dangerous situation

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    But after seeing how upset his fiancé became during a boating trip, this man began wondering if her emotions might be a hindrance to their relationship

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    Later, the man provided additional details clarifying why the women were not expected to help

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    “It is important information to see how someone responds across a number of situations, as a part of really getting to know them”

    To gain more insight on this situation, we reached out to marriage therapist Dr. Lee H. Baucom, who was kind enough to have a chat with Bored Panda. First, we wanted to know if it’s important for couples to experience frightening situations with one another before agreeing to spend their lives together, but Dr. Baucom noted that it can be tough to orchestrate something like that. “How dangerous a situation do you create or await?” he asked. “I do think it is important information to see how someone responds across a number of situations, as a part of really getting to know them,” he noted. “How do they respond to good times? Bad times? Crises? Challenges? When you see how someone responds, you get to know them better.”

    We were also fortunate enough to speak with psychologist and president of Couples Therapy Inc., Dr. Kathy McMahon, to hear another expert’s thoughts on this story. First, she noted that, “No one here wins the ‘most eligible partner’ award. Not by a long shot.” She explained that the woman likely has an anxiety issue, as well as “an offensive bad habit of looking for scapegoats when she finds herself in undesirable tough spots.” But her fiancé isn’t innocent either, as he could have prioritized her safety and wellbeing and offered her reassurances to help calm her down. “Someone as loud and distressed as his fiancé will deplete anyone’s concentration,” Dr. McMahon noted, pointing out that spending a few minutes devoting his time to her could have paid off with big benefits. She went on to address the lack of empathy the man seemed to have for his fiancé, as one of his primary concerns was how embarrassed he was in front of “his boys”. 

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    However, just because we’ve seen someone’s reaction once doesn’t mean we can necessarily predict how they will respond in the future. “For instance, how people respond as individuals is different from how they respond as a part of a couple, which is different from how they would respond as a parent, as an older person, and so on,” Dr. Baucom added. 

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    “Few people know how they’ll react when they truly believe they are about to die”

    Dr. McMahon says it can be impossible to predict exactly how we’ll respond when we feel that our lives are in danger. “Some of us jump into action (when we know what to do, like OP and his boys). Some of us freeze. Some of us go catatonic. And some act like his fiancé and have a total meltdown. It is a limbic response. Pretty primitive and not under conscious control,” she explained. “The question for all of us is: If someone really believes they are about to die, as she did, do we want to imagine our heroic fiancé reassuring us and then plunging back into the action to do all that is needed once he realizes we’re getting the reassurance we need? Or do we want to imagine the eye-rolls and looks of disgust on his face as the boat capsizes and we drown?”

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    We also were curious if it can be an issue when couples respond drastically differently from one another in tough situations. “It can be a problem when it becomes a point of blame or disrespect,” Dr. Baucom says. He explained that in this situation, the man responded with a fight instinct, fighting to get the water out of the boat and under control, while his partner went with a freeze response. But all three responses (fight, flight, and freeze) could be helpful or harmful in any given situation. “What is more important is recognizing that, under crisis, everyone really does the best they can. Supporting a partner is more important than assigning blame,” he told Bored Panda.

    Dr. Baucom went on to note that “training and experience” can be helpful in terms of responding to crisis situations. “The question for a couple is: Can they join together, as a team, to make it through tough times? Can they assume the other is doing their best? Can they accept that one day, they may be the one who responds less optimally?” And while anything can ultimately be a dealbreaker in a relationship, the ways in which we respond to stressful situations certainly doesn’t have to be. Dr. Baucom recommends taking some time to calm down and collect your thoughts, rather than engaging in a conversation while you and your partner are emotionally charged. “Sometimes, stepping back is important. Sometimes, jumping in is important. And while it would be tough on a boat, sometimes, getting away is important,” he noted.

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    “If I found myself too busy to hug and reassure my panicked fiancée, I would be better off being the one apologizing to her on the way home,” Dr. McMahon said. “I would talk about my hyperfocus on keeping us alive at the cost of reassuring her. I would tell her that I let her down by not being there for her. Then I would want to know what terrified her most in that entire situation. I’d talk to her about whether this was connected to something earlier in her life and how it hurt me that she was blaming me for the situation in her terror.”

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    “Couples who make it through tough times do so, not because they react the same, but because they support each other in those tough times”

    Dr. McMahon went on to note that the woman might have had a lot of trauma in her life or might be unable to swim. “Or she once almost drowned. It’s pretty common for those with childhood developmental trauma to be poor observers of danger,” she explained. “They often have problems protecting themselves by thinking ahead about possible dangerous situations. Meltdowns are also seen often.”

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    “Perhaps OP isn’t ready to commit to someone who needs the care and attention his fiancé does. But everyone needs a little attention sometimes when we’re scared, panicked, overwhelmed or just plain exhausted. Empathy is a trait everyone can cultivate if marriage is a goal,” she noted. “Thank goodness, all returned home safely. But he would be wise to ask himself if he has the interest and needed love for this human being. He will have to agree to care about her in sickness, terror, grief, and in health, and you can’t strike some of those out because they are ‘embarrassing’.”

    “Couples who make it through tough times do so, not because they react the same, but because they support each other in those tough times,” Dr. Baucom shared. “We all do the best we can in a situation. We might do better next time, given a chance to reflect. But that generally happens only when it feels supportive. Couples who thrive work on being supportive of each other, in good or bad times.” We would love to hear your thoughts on this topic in the comments below, pandas. Then, if you’re interested in checking out another Bored Panda article discussing relationship drama, look no further than right here!

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    Some readers assured the man that he had every right to be upset

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    While others pointed out that he could have been more considerate of his fiancé’s feelings

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    Adelaide May Ross

    Adelaide May Ross

    Writer, BoredPanda staff

    Howdy, I'm Adelaide! I'm originally from Texas, but after graduating from university with an acting degree, I relocated to sunny Los Angeles for a while. I then got a serious bite from the travel bug and found myself moving to Sweden and England before settling in Lithuania about three years ago. I'm passionate about animal welfare, sustainability and eating delicious food. But as you can see, I cover a wide range of topics including drama, internet trends and hilarious memes. I can easily be won over with a Seinfeld reference, vegan pastry or glass of fresh cold brew. And during my free time, I can usually be seen strolling through a park, playing tennis or baking something tasty.

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    GoGoPDX
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly struggle a lot with people like this. I understand they are scared, as usually everyone in the situation is, but acting this can put people in more danger. When people trying to survive and save others in stressful situations having this distraction can be the difference of making it or not. There is a reason why first responders and emergency personal will have people like this removed from the scene, they are a distraction. Sorry, but when your reaction the a dangerous situation puts everyone in danger,maybe you should figure out a way to handle things better

    Pineapple
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes yes they will for instance if Mr.guns decided to come to my classroom the girl shrieking about how we're all gonna die would have alerted him very much

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    Nitka Tsar
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can‘t get over the „She has no sense of danger around her, doesn‘t constantly examine her surroundings for things that could be dangerous“. Yes she was hysterical and annoying, but he comes off as a jerk. What does he think where he is? Did he grow up in a jungle or what? Who does that? Maybe I can‘t relate though. Do you really need to be constantly on your guard over there? That sounds SO exhausting!

    CatLady
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They both suck. Most humans instinctively keep an eye out for possible danger. We don't think consciously about it; it's an evolutionary imperative for survival. He's arrogant and possibly paranoid because he seems to think he's special for doing what most humans have done since humanity began. Unless you're in the wilderness or a war zone, it's not necessary to be thinking about danger all the time; just go about life and be responsible (follow safety rules, etc.). For most humans, natural instinct kicks in when needed. Survival instincts also include staying still and quiet during a dangerous situation someone else is fixing. She lacks them either because she doesn't care about others (narcissism, sociopathy, etc.) or due to trauma or anxiety. Going hysterical puts yourself and others at risk, the opposite of survival. If you lack natural survival instincts, the responsible thing is to consciously learn the skills. She's irresponsible.

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    Mary Rogers
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mixed feelings on this one. I have anxiety issues so I absolutely understand her fear and I don't think I would be any help in that kind of emergency either. But wailing about how it was all his fault and that they were going to die was over the top. Regardless of how much fear I might feel in that situation, I think I would still understand that the best chance of survival would be to keep quiet and let the people who know how to deal with this do just that. I honestly don't think it was unreasonable for him to expect her to have some control. Aside from that, anyone who gets on a boat has to be mentally prepared that there is a possibility that something will go wrong.

    Lauren Caswell
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. I have strong hereditary GAD (generalised anxiety disorder), so even non threatening situations could be a 'trigger'. It's on me to manage: I've done and do therapy through my country's free medicalcare (luckily), and used a medication to correct the hereditary imbalance. Even so, an unexpected challenge is hard. I'm scared of boats too. HOWEVER, I know all this before I board a boat or enter a potential danger. If I were to go in a boat/helicopter I would warn staff/those in charge "I have anxiety, I will stay calm and still and do as told, if I occasionally scream I'm very sorry, tell me to shut up". I only know to say this etc through self management. It was hard but imo anyway its mine to manage not impose it upon others.

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    Jing Yi Xu
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact is that you can break up with anyone for any reason if you find any of their behaviours as a deal breaker. People break up with others just cos they have cancer, for example. While I do have empathy for the lady if she has anxiety issues, she needs professional help and no doubt if I was stuck with her in a dangerous situation I would be immensely uncomfortable and more stressed than I ought to be. These two people are not compatible

    The Starsong Princess
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy is quite the arrogant a*****e, more concerned with his “boys” and how it looks to them. I suspect he chose this woman because she makes him feel like a big strong man but is finding it a bit wearing over time. I recommend that she dump him and work on her own resiliency.

    Beck
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like she had a very sheltered life. Or very privileged.

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    Best Behave
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No reason to further humiliate her when she was clearly genuinely distressed, even if you don’t have sympathy. There are other ways to approach it, up to and including ending the relationship. A number of things said in the post were flags to me, not least failing to read the facking weather before going out in a boat on open water - “anticipating” is not enough

    madbakes
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounded like they did check the weather, but the weather was far more severe than anticipated. Where I live, the forecasts change constantly.

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    Gabi
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Incredibly embarrassing in front of my boys" That's it, sir. YTA.

    Nicky
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I initially thought his ¨boys¨ were his children, not other men, and was alarmed that a grown woman would flip out when small kids were scared. I then realized this guy is a child himself, getting his GF into a potentially lethal situation and then worrying that is fellow boys will pass judgment on her for freaking out instead of trying to figure out the root of her traumatic response. He needs to grow up and have some compassion, dial down his sexist condescending attitude, and find a more mature partner who would better cope with the challenges of adulthood. They are not compatible as a couple since both seem in need of therapy and would make lousy parents.

    Mihai Mara
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Imagine you accidentally cut your finger/hand with a power tool. Will she help stop the bleeding? Will she call the ambulance? Nope. She's gonna stand there and cry and scream like she's being mauled by a tiger. She needs therapy to help her manage better these situations.

    Cory Tollman
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might even help her to take first aid and CPR classes since some of those put you in scenarios where they want you to force yourself to stay calm, think, and perform.

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    Ariom Dahl
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly don't think you two were made for each other.

    CatLady
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really they aren't. They both acted horribly as individuals and a couple. As much as it infuriates me that his focus was on how he was embarrassed that his friends saw her behave like that, I sort of understand his anger, too. I had an ex who always acted like a butt around my friends, and I basically got pushed out of the group because they couldn't stand him. She may have done it on purpose to isolate him from his friends. It's a common technique for narcissists. The fact that she thought her feelings mattered more than other people's safety was quite telling about her character. The fact that he didn't even consider taking a few moments to try calm her down when the crisis began is telling about his lack of concern for her wellbeing, though he hints that she's done these sorts of things before (maybe because she wanted his full attention, as my ex did any time a crisis popped up), so he could have just been sick of it. No matter what, they are a bad match.

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    GoGoPDX
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly struggle a lot with people like this. I understand they are scared, as usually everyone in the situation is, but acting this can put people in more danger. When people trying to survive and save others in stressful situations having this distraction can be the difference of making it or not. There is a reason why first responders and emergency personal will have people like this removed from the scene, they are a distraction. Sorry, but when your reaction the a dangerous situation puts everyone in danger,maybe you should figure out a way to handle things better

    Pineapple
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    yes yes they will for instance if Mr.guns decided to come to my classroom the girl shrieking about how we're all gonna die would have alerted him very much

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    Nitka Tsar
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I can‘t get over the „She has no sense of danger around her, doesn‘t constantly examine her surroundings for things that could be dangerous“. Yes she was hysterical and annoying, but he comes off as a jerk. What does he think where he is? Did he grow up in a jungle or what? Who does that? Maybe I can‘t relate though. Do you really need to be constantly on your guard over there? That sounds SO exhausting!

    CatLady
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    They both suck. Most humans instinctively keep an eye out for possible danger. We don't think consciously about it; it's an evolutionary imperative for survival. He's arrogant and possibly paranoid because he seems to think he's special for doing what most humans have done since humanity began. Unless you're in the wilderness or a war zone, it's not necessary to be thinking about danger all the time; just go about life and be responsible (follow safety rules, etc.). For most humans, natural instinct kicks in when needed. Survival instincts also include staying still and quiet during a dangerous situation someone else is fixing. She lacks them either because she doesn't care about others (narcissism, sociopathy, etc.) or due to trauma or anxiety. Going hysterical puts yourself and others at risk, the opposite of survival. If you lack natural survival instincts, the responsible thing is to consciously learn the skills. She's irresponsible.

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    Mary Rogers
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Mixed feelings on this one. I have anxiety issues so I absolutely understand her fear and I don't think I would be any help in that kind of emergency either. But wailing about how it was all his fault and that they were going to die was over the top. Regardless of how much fear I might feel in that situation, I think I would still understand that the best chance of survival would be to keep quiet and let the people who know how to deal with this do just that. I honestly don't think it was unreasonable for him to expect her to have some control. Aside from that, anyone who gets on a boat has to be mentally prepared that there is a possibility that something will go wrong.

    Lauren Caswell
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I agree. I have strong hereditary GAD (generalised anxiety disorder), so even non threatening situations could be a 'trigger'. It's on me to manage: I've done and do therapy through my country's free medicalcare (luckily), and used a medication to correct the hereditary imbalance. Even so, an unexpected challenge is hard. I'm scared of boats too. HOWEVER, I know all this before I board a boat or enter a potential danger. If I were to go in a boat/helicopter I would warn staff/those in charge "I have anxiety, I will stay calm and still and do as told, if I occasionally scream I'm very sorry, tell me to shut up". I only know to say this etc through self management. It was hard but imo anyway its mine to manage not impose it upon others.

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    Jing Yi Xu
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The fact is that you can break up with anyone for any reason if you find any of their behaviours as a deal breaker. People break up with others just cos they have cancer, for example. While I do have empathy for the lady if she has anxiety issues, she needs professional help and no doubt if I was stuck with her in a dangerous situation I would be immensely uncomfortable and more stressed than I ought to be. These two people are not compatible

    The Starsong Princess
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    This guy is quite the arrogant a*****e, more concerned with his “boys” and how it looks to them. I suspect he chose this woman because she makes him feel like a big strong man but is finding it a bit wearing over time. I recommend that she dump him and work on her own resiliency.

    Beck
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds like she had a very sheltered life. Or very privileged.

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    Best Behave
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    No reason to further humiliate her when she was clearly genuinely distressed, even if you don’t have sympathy. There are other ways to approach it, up to and including ending the relationship. A number of things said in the post were flags to me, not least failing to read the facking weather before going out in a boat on open water - “anticipating” is not enough

    madbakes
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It sounded like they did check the weather, but the weather was far more severe than anticipated. Where I live, the forecasts change constantly.

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    Gabi
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    "Incredibly embarrassing in front of my boys" That's it, sir. YTA.

    Nicky
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I initially thought his ¨boys¨ were his children, not other men, and was alarmed that a grown woman would flip out when small kids were scared. I then realized this guy is a child himself, getting his GF into a potentially lethal situation and then worrying that is fellow boys will pass judgment on her for freaking out instead of trying to figure out the root of her traumatic response. He needs to grow up and have some compassion, dial down his sexist condescending attitude, and find a more mature partner who would better cope with the challenges of adulthood. They are not compatible as a couple since both seem in need of therapy and would make lousy parents.

    Mihai Mara
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. Imagine you accidentally cut your finger/hand with a power tool. Will she help stop the bleeding? Will she call the ambulance? Nope. She's gonna stand there and cry and scream like she's being mauled by a tiger. She needs therapy to help her manage better these situations.

    Cory Tollman
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It might even help her to take first aid and CPR classes since some of those put you in scenarios where they want you to force yourself to stay calm, think, and perform.

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    Ariom Dahl
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I honestly don't think you two were made for each other.

    CatLady
    Community Member
    2 years ago Created by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Really they aren't. They both acted horribly as individuals and a couple. As much as it infuriates me that his focus was on how he was embarrassed that his friends saw her behave like that, I sort of understand his anger, too. I had an ex who always acted like a butt around my friends, and I basically got pushed out of the group because they couldn't stand him. She may have done it on purpose to isolate him from his friends. It's a common technique for narcissists. The fact that she thought her feelings mattered more than other people's safety was quite telling about her character. The fact that he didn't even consider taking a few moments to try calm her down when the crisis began is telling about his lack of concern for her wellbeing, though he hints that she's done these sorts of things before (maybe because she wanted his full attention, as my ex did any time a crisis popped up), so he could have just been sick of it. No matter what, they are a bad match.

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