Yes

"They aren't sexist and horrible! They just assumed girls are weak." -- This guy, basically

No, many men think were inferior beings. Yeah but I split a log better than my man who has a foot on me and 90lbs on me. I out fish him and we go several times a week. I out hunt him every single time. I can go without food or water way longer and my endurance matches his. Im not inferior because I mensturate, I am stronger for it. He knows it and is proud of me. That's a man! I outdo most of what he does honestly. You know why? I'm not inferior to any man! Ladies start standing tall! I'm getting my AS in Engineering next fall so suck it men!

The second time I went deer hunting, I took my wife. She helped me haul supplies up three ridges carrying more than ⅓ of her body weight the whole time... and then there is that whole creating, carrying, and expelling another human thing. Pretty sure they can hang with the boys.

Exactly! They're not sexist or anything but they're afraid their manly times will be ruined by having a girl there.

We're sensitive little flowers, damn it!

Get one of us Middle-Eastern girls and send her with them,we can survive without air-conditioning much better than them

Shes 5!!!! Like, all 5 year olds really like to do is play!! They dont need A/C to sleep or people wouldn't bring their kids to theme parks.

I personally can't survive without a/c but that's due to a rare autoimmune/auto inflammatory disease. I never liked camping, even as a kid. If that's something a child is into however it's really a mess to think at 5 a boy is somehow stronger than a girl🤦‍♀️. I have an adult son & daughter as well as a 5 year old son. My little one wouldn't last 2 hours in the "wild" but my daughter was crazy into camping & fishing with my stepdad & mom when she was little.

Idk wht they were thinking but my family is living proof dat girls can be just as strong as guys and vice versa

I certainly can’t. I would pass on the trip 😂😅

That whole “we’re afraid we’d have to stay in a hotel and limit our activities” excuse was malarkey. Even if these guys are all even Boomers (which is doubtful), or definitely GenX and younger (quite likely) they are far too young to actually believe that. What they really wanted to say was; “no females allowed” (like they’re in grade school with a treehouse). I mean, there are Girl Scouts, female hikers and campers, and women in the military for crying out loud! Daddy is a good man, definitely NTA. He honestly did not make the connection that no wives/GFs was clear code for no females period. Otherwise he’d never invited his daughter or stayed in the group. However, in his eagerness to defend his friends after painting the true picture, he’s still letting them off the hook too easily. Not saying he needs to berate them. He definitely does not, because they clearly got the point for this situation. But the guys were (and likely still are) likely sexist as all get out.

Yes I loved camping sleeping on the ground and hunting and fishing 🎣 so why is girl's need ac if that's the woman u now u missed out on the fun

I was a scout when younger (boy scout but we don't differentiate here anymore) and I kept at until I was nineteen despite me becoming more and more "girly". Only reason I stopped was a lack of time. And we'd never go to any hotel just because about half was female. It was tents or shelters we built our selves.

The summer camp I wen to as a teen didn't have air conditioning. I survive. Of course, it was in Maine and way cooler than what I'm used to.

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I think he means more that he doesn't want to go to a hotel, but if she comes he has to, why would they care if she could survive if they didn't care to make the exception

Many women struggle with this yeah, but little girls are less likely to have an issue. Really depends on the girl tho, but her father would know if she can handle it.

That's the first place your head went? You realize the story didn't end there, but with a big mea culpa on their part. It was a guy trip up to that point, maybe they didn't feel comfortable walking around in boxers around his daughter? Very odd "A/C" is your distinguishing factor between a cabin and hotel room; plenty of cabins with fyi, but I see how it fit your narrative. Given the up votes I guess you won the internet here...

Agreed, but please keep it to the adults and don't exclude a 5 year old girl based on the assumption she'll be lady-sensitive and needs more care than a boy of the same age.

I actually don't see an issue with the concept of "no significant others". Regardless of gender, SOs intruding on a friend's outing can do weird things like compete for attention. Or they might have so much fun they want to continue the trip after the relationship is over. I also can get behind "no children". But to bring sons while excluding daughters, that's some b******t. Glad they sorted it out.

The problem was, they didn't say men only. They didn't say no girls. They said no wives and no girlfriends.

Naw if that's what I'm into I'm coming to hell with guys and girls s**t. I love fishing and have tattoos of fishing and do it 4 days a week. I'm better than most men! If a woman or girl is passionate about a "guy" activity she will go! We don't play that in my husband's and I families. Nope! My husband will go opening day of hunting with his dad which is tradition but I always get invited and turn it down for respect of father son time. But I go every other time and am the only female there. Not every woman wants to go to the salon and spa for a day while the "men" hunt and fish and drink beer. I want to be hunting, fishing and drinking beer. Nothing wrong with a all guys fishing trip at all, no. But if a woman wants in, she goes too! To hell with gender norms! I'm a straight married woman and I love dude stuff! I hate nail salons and dress shopping. Not everyone is girly girl and if they wish to be included, they should be.

Agreed. A group of male friends I always hang out with (we go riding together with horse drawn carts every weekend) used to go on a 'no women allowed vacation' every year. They are from an older generation. My boyfriend started joining us, and they were all planning the holiday together. Because I am normally part of the team, helping out with the horses when something goes wrong and I pull my own weight, it was suddenly a question if I should come. I told them they needn't feel obligated to ask me with them, I understand they'd want a boys weekend. They were adamant on me coming though, seeing as a was first a member of the crew before my BF and they value my companionship. I have been coming along ever since. When securing our carts to our trailer, I was the only one who knew how lashing straps work. We had a good laugh about it, same when I'm always the one cooking. They wouldn't have it any other way now, I've been joining them for years now

Good point. Girls night out is fine too. But, I think male bonding is over exaggerated. The most important thing for a man is getting comfortable with a females presence, not other men. This whole trip with the daughter will most benefit the other guys young son. He will learn that women are no different than men in most ways, and he will be taught important etiquette when around women and girls. Like not farting in front of them or being vulgar. Just showing some class around women and being nice to them. These are important lessons for young men to learn.

Yes, but they didn't say, "boys only", which would have been clear

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I sure as hell hate it when I am invited to female only -events 😬 I have a husband, cool adult son, brothers and nephews and male friends, and no reason to feel any safer with someone just because they too have breasts -or leave one out of the sewing club if they don't have a pair.

Agreed, and i dont want to imagine a girl alone in the woods with 8 drunk men. Not saying drinking is involved. But fishing and drinking go hand in hand. And one problem drinker or dishonest person , and shes been molested.