Modern Problems Require Modern Solutions: 8 Y.O. Skips Online Classes For 3 Weeks Using A Zoom ‘Hack’
Interview With AuthorNever underestimate the power of an 8-year-old. In fact, never underestimate the power of any kid. Period. While kids are like blank slates that are gradually filled up with information and skills, they often have one amazing advantage over us adults, and that is thinking outside the box, unrestricted by the cultural, social, and whatever other norms that frame the way we think.
If you do end up underestimating a kid, just brace yourself for impact as your kid might somehow end up finding a Zoom exploit and be deliberately milking it as much as possible to get out of school all the while driving you, your kid’s teacher, your friends, and your family bonkers as you try to figure out why Zoom refuses to work for her for weeks!
While physical classrooms today are mostly empty and unused, online classroom are full of eager students
Image credits: Christine Cowen (not the actual photo)
Well, OK, not all are eager, as explains this Twitter user in his story about how his 8-year-old niece found a Zoom exploit and used it to skip school
Image credits: mfpiccolo
Meet Mike Piccolo, a software developer and entrepreneur from Sacramento, California who recently went to Twitter to share a story of how his 8-year-old niece was supposed to have Zoom classes, but kept running into some technical problems. Bored Panda got in touch with Piccolo for an interview about his Twitter thread.
In particular, said technical problems were the fact that she was constantly being logged out, and when she attempted to log back in, it would say that her password was incorrect. As soon as Zoom would stop working, Mike’s sister would jump in and help troubleshoot things. Each time she’d do so, there’d be no result, even after an hour or so of trying to fix it.
“At some point, my niece accidentally entered the wrong password a few times in Zoom. She then went and got my sister who tried to log her in and couldn’t get her back in right away so she got to skip class. My sister didn’t know that my niece accidentally entered the password incorrectly a bunch of times already which is what setup the scheme. In short, the first time was an accident but the light bulb clicked so she tried it again the next day,” explained Piccolo how it all started.
It starts with mysterious technical issues with Zoom—it logs the niece out mid-class and doesn’t let back in
Image credits: mfpiccolo
After several tries (spanning across several days), the teacher was actively involved. After hours of trying to figure the mystery out, they decided to try doing the same thing from a friend’s house. Long story short, the same issue happened.
It didn’t stop there. Zoom support was also contacted, hours were spent figuring it all out, and yet again to no avail. Soon after the kid would log into a Zoom classroom, it would eventually log her out and refuse to let her log in.
This continues for days, and eventually involves the mom, the teacher, and even Zoom tech support
It became such a huge problem, lasting weeks, that the mom resorted to homeschooling
But, they wanted to try again with Zoom, and this time around the niece was caught slipping
Image credits: mfpiccolo
Weeks later, Mike’s sister wasn’t even trying to do Zoom schooling any more; they reverted to the good old homeschooling method, which was impeccable, but surely not a long-term solution. So they tried again: the 8-year-old was sent back to the sister’s friend’s house because the whole logging out issue was less of an occurrence there.
Lo and behold, the 8-year-old runs into the same problem. Except, this time the friend happens to notice what went down—the kid logged out herself.
Turns out, the niece was logging herself out and abusing an exploit in Zoom to keep her logged out
When confronted about it, the young lady explained that it wasn’t working well, so she was trying to fix it by logging out. The friend was skeptical, and she actually caught on to the ruse, but was nonchalant and simply left the room.
Several spy sessions later, she figured out what was going on—the cat was out of the bag. Turns out, the 8-year-old figured out an exploit in the system and was using it to her advantage.
Said exploit involves entering the password loads of times until the account gets locked, except it doesn’t say that
Image credits: mfpiccolo
See, whenever you try to log into Zoom and provide an incorrect password, there is a safety feature that locks the account. However, instead of saying “your account is locked” it says “incorrect password.”
And each time the account is locked this way, the lock period gets progressively longer. She has effectively found a way to stay out of school without raising suspicion that it was her doing.
Instead, the system blames the password—a mystery that took 8+ adults and 3 weeks to figure out
So, for a whole three weeks, Mike’s sister, her friend, the teacher, Zoom tech support, and others were being led on a magnificent journey of pain and torture trying to figure what was going on with the computer, when reality showed that it was all the doing of a very clever 8-year-old. Bravo! Despite all of this, Mike was pretty proud of her. As someone who works in the IT industry, why wouldn’t he be? This is, if anything, a quality assurance specialist in the making, and a talented one at that!
“Luckily for me, I am the uncle so I don’t have to worry about disciplining. Uncles get to be on the kids side. I talk with my sister about once a week, so I was getting updates on the issue before anyone figured it out. It was shocking to hear that it was my niece all along, but it was also incredibly impressive. She was able to pull off skipping school for weeks right under the noses of a bunch of adults who were trying to figure out the issue,” elaborated Piccolo.
“I work in the IT field, so her story reminded me of issues I see with user experience, quality assurance and security. Most people think hacking is deeply technical, but in most cases it is the combination of a defect or flaw in a system combined with some social component. In this case the social component was her innocence. ‘It can’t be the sweet eight year old girl'”
What the niece did was not good, sure, but Piccolo was proud of her—turns out she has a bright future as a quality assurance specialist at the very least
Image credits: mfpiccolo
“She is a sweet girl, so she hasn’t done anything tricky since then. My sister did all of the things a good parent should have done here: grounding, no electronics outside of schoolwork, written apologies to everyone affected, etc.” explained Piccolo the aftermath of this ingenious prank. “They were both interviewed recently and they asked my niece if she was going to pull any more hyjinx and she answered ‘I don’t know, maybe’. My sister replied ‘What!!?!’ I guess we will have to wait and see.”
Mike’s tweets gained some traction on Twitter, and even found themselves on Imgur, where they were viewed over 130,000 times and gained over 4,400 upvotes. And yes, this surely came as a surprise to Mike: “The first day I sent out the tweet I think it got 5 likes. I was a little disappointed because I thought it would get a little more traction but I never thought it would get anywhere near the attention is has got by now. By day two it started getting shared at a steady pace and it was clear that it struck a nerve.”
“I think people are empathizing with my niece. She wants to go back to school, hang out with her friends and get attention from her mom. There is no doubt what she did was wrong, but it seems like a lot of people can see where the motivation was coming from. That and the fact that kids doing whatever they can to skip school is a tale as old as time.”
What are your thoughts on this? Have your kids come up with anything deviously genius like this? Let us know in the comment section below!
As a teacher, this story makes me mad. The kid is kind of a brat. I know that Zoom is not ideal for any kid, and a lot of kids are being left behind, especially if they have special learning disabilities. I know it is incredibly frustrating and disheartening for kids, and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. But teachers really are trying their best, and it's not easy. So it's frustrating for this child to have stressed all those adults out, when they were simply trying to help her to learn.
I agree. The amount of stress and wasted time this generated makes me mad too! Those poor parents&teacher/school staff...as if they don't have enough on their plate at these times.
Load More Replies...Even Zoom support tech did not know, that account is blocked because of many wrong password attempts? What a stupid support...I am a developer, working with simple system where login is and if someone is blocked, i see when was blocked and what was the reason of blocking and as administrator, can unblock immediately and user can log in...
Same. You can see the logfiles and wrong password counters.
Load More Replies...I wouldn't be proud of my kid for doing this... this involved her telling a whole heap of lies and selfishly taking valuable time away from pretty much everyone around her (her adults, the teacher, the other students). If she is doing this at 8, how will she be at 16? At 25?
Hopefully she wants to do good, if not she will be federal prisoner #
Load More Replies...Little 5hit! Wasting everyone's time because she thinks she's clever. Would definitely be grounded in my house.
Agreed, she would be grounded for the same amount of time she was out of school.
Load More Replies...I might have to try this for my zoom classes 😂. This little girl is going places. Outsmarting 8 adults? Impressive. If she was my child, I don't know if I would punish her or praise her.
Both lol, say “smart idea, but you’re grounded.”
Load More Replies...I think any kid would do this, not just five year olds lol.
Load More Replies...It sounds like her teachers and the school put in hours of work to help this one kid, and the moral of the story is: lie and screw people over who care about you to avoid work and your parents will still be proud.
This was written by her uncle. It literally says her parents disciplined her and she was grounded, had to write apologies, and things like that. The uncle said he was proud but also gave his sister credit for dealing with it how she did so I assume he didn't go high fiving and celebrating with his niece. So how exactly do you and the people who upvoted you get that her parents are proud? It says her mother tried to solve the issue as well as teachers and school staff.
Load More Replies...This seems like someone should have realized this a little faster. The girl literally logs off. I get the locking herself out part, but no one for THREE WEEKS saw her log off?
I know, 3 weeks of zoom classes and no one saw this. I hope they don't have weapons and online bank accounts too.
Load More Replies...My daughter figured out how to change the quizzes so they only had one question and 100% on every one. Online schooling is raising a generation of hackers.
This isn’t the first time this has been posted and it was trashy both times. Anti-education sentiment is trashy AF.
A QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 99999999999 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a ueicbksjdhd. First real customer walks in and asks where the bathroom is. The bar bursts into flames, killing everyone.
Cartman did the same thing on South Park. Just put a picture of himself in front of the camera and said it was frozen!
....and this what this little Brat will end up growing up as an adult
Load More Replies...I am a teacher and this infuriates me too. People have no idea how difficult the switch to virtual has been. There is always one technical hang up after another that leads to confusion, delays and frustration. Meanwhile, teachers are dealing with so many students trying to figure out how to get them logged in and focused. And then one little brat decides to go on for three weeks, lying and causing unneeded stress for the teacher and parents. If I was her teacher there would have been severe consequences for her actions. I would have reprimanded her verbally, made her apologize to her classmates for wasting my time, and therefore taking away from their instruction, and I would have given her a lengthy assignment for thinking she could get away with not doing work. I get that she is only 8, but without corrective action this kind of brash behavior only gets worse
Two-sided here ... on one hand, an 8 yo coming up with this is impressive. At least you can tell she's smart enough to skip every now and then without any lasting damage done to her education - she'll outpace most of her mates anyway. On the other hand, that little prick needlessly caused a lot of work and trouble for those who struggle in those times anyway, even caused a lot of unnecessary visits and the like, which actually isn't what you should do during a pandemic....... She'll figure out how to elegantly skip later, and likely, she won't overdo this. But, of course, everything can get seriously derailed later on, too, no one is to know yet...
How are parents supposed to know they should watch their kids online? The kid is 18, after all. Wait, hang on, no she's 8, and parents should be watching her online. This is totally on the lax parents and their lying little kid. Not cute.
You mean to tell me all the tech support at Zoom couldn't see the account was locked because of too many password fails and sent a link to reset password or even reset the password by remote access?
I am sorry but it's either the "uncle" is super stupid to be impressed by what's going around or it's just that he is trying to make the story more interesting by exaggeration. Any case, appreciate the teachers and don't be irresponsible with the kids
The Zoom techs should have caught this as soon as they got involved. A simple review of connection and authentication logs would have showed the pattern. They would have seen successful authentication followed by a disconnect requested from the client followed by several invalid passwords followed by account lockout errors. We troubleshoot problems like this at work all the time. It usually isn't due to someone deliberately locking out an account but instead when a user changes their password and they have a disconnected session open on another machine. The disconnected session is stil trying to authenticate with the old password and ends up locking the account.
this is smart, but the kid is kind of a brat, as gabby m said. no kid likes school, but purposefully missing out on it for 3 weeks just becuase you dont want to/cant be bothered?
If she was a genius then it would be easier for her to just do the work in like an hour rather than avoiding school for 3 weeks like a gump.
Load More Replies...For those who don't read the whole article, here is the synopsis: A bunch of adults forget Rule #1 when dealing with children. "Children lie." ... Instead of thinking the kid didn't want to attend classes, they assumed there was a bug in a piece of software that somehow followed this one particular child around from computer to computer to computer.
I can see my 7 year old figuring this one out. Good for me to know about it.
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The tech support not knowing it was a login failure attempts shouldn't have that job.
Heh i tried doing this on my school pc when i was 6, and it actually worked (not with zoom, i used iready)
@hissyfitzz if a cad that pulls off stuff like that it doesn't believe in unicorns. And downvoting doesn't bother me. I don't give a crap about it if my post get likes or dislikes.
When a kid doesn't want to go to school, they don't go to school, period! 😆
What is wrong with BoredPanda's formatting function in this comment section?
She will be a MILLIONAIRE… until the FBI knocks down the door and confiscates all deevices in the home.
I think the zoom support people should get fired if they could not figure out why she was locked out ...
I love this kid! When my son was in 7th grade, he installed a game on his computer class that all the kids could play. The teacher, who basically had the sign on her door changed from Typing Instructor to Computer Instructor, couldn't remove the game and finally told my son he wouldn't pass unless he removed it. He did, and the handbook for the next year included a rule that games could not be installed. No matter what negative remarks are made about this, I was proud that my child knew more about computers than his teacher. He was proud they made a new rule just for him. This was in the late 80s when he also had a Science teacher who told him there are no such things as black holes in space.
I can't decide whether this kid is a brat or a genius. Oh well.
A brat. A little s**t who need to get set some boundaries
Load More Replies...My grade 10 son had a computer class in school. Somehow he figured out how to get around their firewalls/security. He remotely shut down the computers in the admin building. One by one. A week later we were sitting in an expulsion meeting because by shutting them down, some work wasn't saved which they decided was considered destruction of school property. All of his teachers came to the meeting in his defense. Including the computer teacher and one of the heads at the admin building (who has had prior experience with my son). So, he stayed in school. Love that kiddo
Even if he didn't know files would be lost, he should've been expelled anyway or at least suspended. That kind of hacking is purely malicious. He went out of his way to shut things down & make things harder for other people. There's no "He didn't know any better!" or "It was an accident!" here, because he knew precisely what he was doing by hacking into the computers in the first place, even if he didn't anticipate unsaved work. I hope you had a long, serious talk with him.
Load More Replies...sadly i cant do this bc im in person school, also the teachers have now seen this cuz they watch everyone's computers :(
No she won't. She will be just fine. Her parents love her and she's a smart little girl. Keep your curses to yourself.
Load More Replies...Let it be noted that Sleezy Weaver just insulted a child. That's all that needs to be said about this.
Load More Replies...As a teacher, this story makes me mad. The kid is kind of a brat. I know that Zoom is not ideal for any kid, and a lot of kids are being left behind, especially if they have special learning disabilities. I know it is incredibly frustrating and disheartening for kids, and I don't know exactly why the kid did not want to go to class. But teachers really are trying their best, and it's not easy. So it's frustrating for this child to have stressed all those adults out, when they were simply trying to help her to learn.
I agree. The amount of stress and wasted time this generated makes me mad too! Those poor parents&teacher/school staff...as if they don't have enough on their plate at these times.
Load More Replies...Even Zoom support tech did not know, that account is blocked because of many wrong password attempts? What a stupid support...I am a developer, working with simple system where login is and if someone is blocked, i see when was blocked and what was the reason of blocking and as administrator, can unblock immediately and user can log in...
Same. You can see the logfiles and wrong password counters.
Load More Replies...I wouldn't be proud of my kid for doing this... this involved her telling a whole heap of lies and selfishly taking valuable time away from pretty much everyone around her (her adults, the teacher, the other students). If she is doing this at 8, how will she be at 16? At 25?
Hopefully she wants to do good, if not she will be federal prisoner #
Load More Replies...Little 5hit! Wasting everyone's time because she thinks she's clever. Would definitely be grounded in my house.
Agreed, she would be grounded for the same amount of time she was out of school.
Load More Replies...I might have to try this for my zoom classes 😂. This little girl is going places. Outsmarting 8 adults? Impressive. If she was my child, I don't know if I would punish her or praise her.
Both lol, say “smart idea, but you’re grounded.”
Load More Replies...I think any kid would do this, not just five year olds lol.
Load More Replies...It sounds like her teachers and the school put in hours of work to help this one kid, and the moral of the story is: lie and screw people over who care about you to avoid work and your parents will still be proud.
This was written by her uncle. It literally says her parents disciplined her and she was grounded, had to write apologies, and things like that. The uncle said he was proud but also gave his sister credit for dealing with it how she did so I assume he didn't go high fiving and celebrating with his niece. So how exactly do you and the people who upvoted you get that her parents are proud? It says her mother tried to solve the issue as well as teachers and school staff.
Load More Replies...This seems like someone should have realized this a little faster. The girl literally logs off. I get the locking herself out part, but no one for THREE WEEKS saw her log off?
I know, 3 weeks of zoom classes and no one saw this. I hope they don't have weapons and online bank accounts too.
Load More Replies...My daughter figured out how to change the quizzes so they only had one question and 100% on every one. Online schooling is raising a generation of hackers.
This isn’t the first time this has been posted and it was trashy both times. Anti-education sentiment is trashy AF.
A QA engineer walks into a bar. Orders a beer. Orders 0 beers. Orders 99999999999 beers. Orders a lizard. Orders -1 beers. Orders a ueicbksjdhd. First real customer walks in and asks where the bathroom is. The bar bursts into flames, killing everyone.
Cartman did the same thing on South Park. Just put a picture of himself in front of the camera and said it was frozen!
....and this what this little Brat will end up growing up as an adult
Load More Replies...I am a teacher and this infuriates me too. People have no idea how difficult the switch to virtual has been. There is always one technical hang up after another that leads to confusion, delays and frustration. Meanwhile, teachers are dealing with so many students trying to figure out how to get them logged in and focused. And then one little brat decides to go on for three weeks, lying and causing unneeded stress for the teacher and parents. If I was her teacher there would have been severe consequences for her actions. I would have reprimanded her verbally, made her apologize to her classmates for wasting my time, and therefore taking away from their instruction, and I would have given her a lengthy assignment for thinking she could get away with not doing work. I get that she is only 8, but without corrective action this kind of brash behavior only gets worse
Two-sided here ... on one hand, an 8 yo coming up with this is impressive. At least you can tell she's smart enough to skip every now and then without any lasting damage done to her education - she'll outpace most of her mates anyway. On the other hand, that little prick needlessly caused a lot of work and trouble for those who struggle in those times anyway, even caused a lot of unnecessary visits and the like, which actually isn't what you should do during a pandemic....... She'll figure out how to elegantly skip later, and likely, she won't overdo this. But, of course, everything can get seriously derailed later on, too, no one is to know yet...
How are parents supposed to know they should watch their kids online? The kid is 18, after all. Wait, hang on, no she's 8, and parents should be watching her online. This is totally on the lax parents and their lying little kid. Not cute.
You mean to tell me all the tech support at Zoom couldn't see the account was locked because of too many password fails and sent a link to reset password or even reset the password by remote access?
I am sorry but it's either the "uncle" is super stupid to be impressed by what's going around or it's just that he is trying to make the story more interesting by exaggeration. Any case, appreciate the teachers and don't be irresponsible with the kids
The Zoom techs should have caught this as soon as they got involved. A simple review of connection and authentication logs would have showed the pattern. They would have seen successful authentication followed by a disconnect requested from the client followed by several invalid passwords followed by account lockout errors. We troubleshoot problems like this at work all the time. It usually isn't due to someone deliberately locking out an account but instead when a user changes their password and they have a disconnected session open on another machine. The disconnected session is stil trying to authenticate with the old password and ends up locking the account.
this is smart, but the kid is kind of a brat, as gabby m said. no kid likes school, but purposefully missing out on it for 3 weeks just becuase you dont want to/cant be bothered?
If she was a genius then it would be easier for her to just do the work in like an hour rather than avoiding school for 3 weeks like a gump.
Load More Replies...For those who don't read the whole article, here is the synopsis: A bunch of adults forget Rule #1 when dealing with children. "Children lie." ... Instead of thinking the kid didn't want to attend classes, they assumed there was a bug in a piece of software that somehow followed this one particular child around from computer to computer to computer.
I can see my 7 year old figuring this one out. Good for me to know about it.
This professional hacker is absolutely reliable and I strongly recommend him for any type of hack you require. I know this because I have hired him severally for various hacks and he has never disappointed me nor any of my friends who have hired him too, he can help you with any of the following hacks: -Phone hacks (remotely) -Credit repair -Bitcoin recovery (any cryptocurrency) -Make money from home (USA only) -Social media hacks -Website hacks -Erase criminal records (USA & Canada only) -Grade change Email: cybergoldenhacker at gmail dot com
The tech support not knowing it was a login failure attempts shouldn't have that job.
Heh i tried doing this on my school pc when i was 6, and it actually worked (not with zoom, i used iready)
@hissyfitzz if a cad that pulls off stuff like that it doesn't believe in unicorns. And downvoting doesn't bother me. I don't give a crap about it if my post get likes or dislikes.
When a kid doesn't want to go to school, they don't go to school, period! 😆
What is wrong with BoredPanda's formatting function in this comment section?
She will be a MILLIONAIRE… until the FBI knocks down the door and confiscates all deevices in the home.
I think the zoom support people should get fired if they could not figure out why she was locked out ...
I love this kid! When my son was in 7th grade, he installed a game on his computer class that all the kids could play. The teacher, who basically had the sign on her door changed from Typing Instructor to Computer Instructor, couldn't remove the game and finally told my son he wouldn't pass unless he removed it. He did, and the handbook for the next year included a rule that games could not be installed. No matter what negative remarks are made about this, I was proud that my child knew more about computers than his teacher. He was proud they made a new rule just for him. This was in the late 80s when he also had a Science teacher who told him there are no such things as black holes in space.
I can't decide whether this kid is a brat or a genius. Oh well.
A brat. A little s**t who need to get set some boundaries
Load More Replies...My grade 10 son had a computer class in school. Somehow he figured out how to get around their firewalls/security. He remotely shut down the computers in the admin building. One by one. A week later we were sitting in an expulsion meeting because by shutting them down, some work wasn't saved which they decided was considered destruction of school property. All of his teachers came to the meeting in his defense. Including the computer teacher and one of the heads at the admin building (who has had prior experience with my son). So, he stayed in school. Love that kiddo
Even if he didn't know files would be lost, he should've been expelled anyway or at least suspended. That kind of hacking is purely malicious. He went out of his way to shut things down & make things harder for other people. There's no "He didn't know any better!" or "It was an accident!" here, because he knew precisely what he was doing by hacking into the computers in the first place, even if he didn't anticipate unsaved work. I hope you had a long, serious talk with him.
Load More Replies...sadly i cant do this bc im in person school, also the teachers have now seen this cuz they watch everyone's computers :(
No she won't. She will be just fine. Her parents love her and she's a smart little girl. Keep your curses to yourself.
Load More Replies...Let it be noted that Sleezy Weaver just insulted a child. That's all that needs to be said about this.
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