White Woman Asks A Black Man About Racism, Receives The Cold Truth
A Facebook post about a conversation between a black man and a white woman is going viral for all the right reasons.
On May 30th, Caroline Crockett Brock, 45, told the Internet what she had learned about racism from talking to her appliance repairman, Ernest Skelton.
From derogatory language to random police stops, Ernest spilled everything on his day-to-day life in Myrtle Beach, South Carolina, revealing just how much prejudice and ignorance he has to deal with.
Caroline said it was the first time she had such a sincere talk about racism; she said it was “illuminating”. So, thinking there probably are more people who would appreciate learning about these complicated social dynamics, the woman shared a rough transcript of the discussion she had with Ernest on her Facebook account. And she was right. Over 220K people reacted to her story and more than 182K shared it, thanking her for the cold truth and a lesson in empathy.
It looked like their relationship will gonna be something special right from the beginning.
“People judge me before I even come in the door, so that’s the reason why I ask, ‘Is it OK for me to come in?'” Skelton told WMBF News.
The question really surprised Brock.
“She said, ‘Why wouldn’t I let you in? You’re coming to check my appliance.’ Then, I explained to her that’s what we go through because people look at us different,” Skelton explained.
When Skelton returned to Brock’s home for their second appliance repair appointment, she asked him a question that was a little more personal.
“I just decided to ask him straight out, ‘How are you doing right now given the current climate?'” Brock said.
At first, Skelton thought she was talking about the coronavirus, but Brock wanted to get an understanding of his everyday life. This was when Skelton opened up and told her some stories about how racism has affected him.
Ernest was happy to get his picture taken
Image credits: Caroline Crockett Brock
Brock asked the repairman if she could post their interaction on Facebook, and he thought it would be a great idea. Fast forward a few days, and they’re all over the Internet.
“In the comments, people, a lot of white people say, ‘I’d love to have these conversations, but I’m scared. I’m scared I’m going to say the wrong things. I’m scared I’m going to approach it wrong. I’m scared I’m going to offend someone,'” Brock explained.
However, these folks should keep in mind that Skelton, for example, said he wasn’t offended by Caroline’s questions at all. It’s because he had built up trust with Brock prior to addressing these serious topics and knew she was sincere when she asked about them.
“If we want to change the world and make our country stronger, we have to be willing to step into the uncomfortableness and pain in this country,” Brock added.
“When are the lines going to draw so I can say it and tell them back in the day it was a white man’s world, but now we united,” Skelton added.
The two hope that their interaction can inspire others have similar conversations as well.
For now, however, Skelton said he will continue asking his customers if he can come in.
Here’s what people said after reading Caroline’s post
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Share on FacebookThere were a few more edits with updates from Caroline Brock: Edit 6/2 9am. Just got off the phone with Ernest and the local news. They will be interviewing us today, and it will be on the local news in Myrtle beach tonight. I'll post it on my page later. Edit 6/7. Ernest and I ended up marching together at a peaceful protest in Myrtle Beach! It was a lovely day and we went out to lunch with our spouses afterwards. What a whirlwind of events! Check out my FB live of the protest! Edit 6/8: Ernest and I met today with a web designer to make sure his facebook and business pages are linked, so he's good to go there! I spoke with an investigator at the MB police department who was top notch. More to follow.
I'm overjoyed and tearful at the same time. What an amazing lady and beautiful man. That is the dialogue that is needed to help in ending this terrible injustice
This is why I hate it when the US goes around lecturing other countries for what they deem as "human rights violation" as if they have the moral high ground. Fix your own problems first.
No, one does not have to come at the cost of the other. We can respect all human rights.
Load More Replies...I can understand what Ernest has gone through because I have gone through some of these situations myself. I have been followed around stores to make sure I am not stealing. I have had people switch store aisles to get away from me. I have been called names because of the color of my skin. These are the kinds of discussions that need to take place right now. We need to stop trying to silence people and get them to shut up and we need to just listen. The only way that things will change is if we listen to each other.
I am so sorry that this happened to you. My eyes were really opened to how prevalent racism is when my cousin married a black man and became a mother to his two boys. I see what they go through and it is awful. We are working together to make the world a better place for her boys and for everyone. You have my respect, my love and my support.
Load More Replies...Years ago I use to wear a close cut Afro. I also had to be at my job at zerodarkthirty, so I was driving in the wee hours through my own neighborhood when it was still dark outside. I got pulled over for no reason. When the cop saw that I was a female, he mumbled out some asinine reason for stopping me (I don't remember what he said, but I was rolling my eyes privately), and 'allowed' me to go my way. I have a son, daughter and five grandsons. I worry about them daily.
In Louisiana, we say gumbo, not melting pot. Melting is too homogeneous, but salad is too individual. In a gumbo, you can see the pieces of okra and vegetables and seafood/meat. But they cook together and meld flavors. https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-07-19/language-and-culture-new-orleans-embodied-one-food-gumbo
Load More Replies...It is a joy and a heartbreak to read. I think Bored Panda is very remiss in letting the racist morons post here and leave posts standing, even though they are voted down. The fact that they LET garbage sit in the street like that means I will NEVER click an advert link.
Imo BP let the dumbest things and racist comments standing to read by us, to show to all of us: yes, they're out there! And also BP shows the down votes, the comments of people telling the truth about life and how this could be. Or should be. In Germany we learned, that this is how democracy works. Say what you want, but be aware of the consequences. It could be prison or applause. (Excuse my bad English, I'm not a native speaker.)
Load More Replies...Not only white people, me, a Chinese, also feel a little scared of black guys. I think probably because of the media reports and crime rates and some discrimination to Chinese people from the black. I was also discriminate by a black stranger when I was in the first year in university, he told "Ching Chong, Ching Chong" and did slanted eyes to me even I don't know him. At that time, I just came from China and no idea what he's doing. I smiled at him then left.
I hope no one else behaved that way with you (white people discriminate, too -- a white friend made a joke and I told her her "Don't use that term"). You have every right to let people know that their behaviour is offensive.
Load More Replies...I live in Sorel-Tracy, Québec CANADA, a small town where we did'nt had much colours or diversity when I was young. It all change now and my kids (16yo boy & 19yo girl) have a lot of friends from various backgrounds and life is simple now!! at the end of the day my swimming pool is full of beautiful teens and I think it's wonderful!! =0)
Quebec is legalizing racism by banning religious garb (hijabs, kippa etc) I think it's great your kids have friends of different ethnicity but maybe get to work on Bill 21 before attempting to declare victory in Quebec.
Load More Replies...I'm glad to hear that people like Caroline are fighting for equality by giving a voice to those on the receiving end of racial discrimination. I hope that this inspires others to do the same.
Good for both fo them! .... One thing I hated about moving to the US South was that nonwhites won't meet the gaze of whites. I konw WHY. I just hate that they feel that way, and that it is justified by history/reality. They're people. I'm people. THAT Is ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME... Now to get the world to agree... *sigh*
Yes, Leo, I noticed that in her post, that as he was leaving, HE LOOKED HER IN THE EYE. At first, I thought, why did she have to say that, of course, he'd look her in the eye when he talks to her. I thought all of that not looking in the eye thing was well and truly over, but it's obviously not, sadly. (I'm so pleased though that his business is now booming! I'd love to hire him as my appliance repairman, but it's a long commute from South Carolina to Australia!)
Load More Replies...this is one of many " i will sit down and listens to the blacks and their perspective" type articles. which is a good thing. ask us before you assume that we are ok or angry. i fail to see how the whole black bike week and the trashing of the city contributes to the story. black bike week is also a big money maker and is not the only big event that wrecks the town. this should be the norm and its nice but she gets no pat on the back from me.
Usually I tell suppressed people (doesn't matter if because of gender, ethnicity, sexuality, race or whatever) that they shouldn't wait for someone to "grand" them their rights (cause who knows when that'll happen, if it will at all) they should go out and claim them instead. Sad thing is in this case I can't tell that to people cause they might end up dead...
It just goes to show the difference that one person alone can make, if only more people saw it from her point of view. Racism makes no sense to me, I don't understand it.
To hear in this day and age that he would be scared to work after dark is a shock indeed. How can the world still be so backwards? I grew up hearing racist things from my dad frequently enough, but I think it made my resolution even stronger against racism having to hear his crazy and hateful remarks. Anyone can have a friend in me if they are nice <3
KT: Good for you! My late Dad grew up around that from his father too, and he loathed it. Like you, he just decided to have no tolerance for racism -- and never let his father around me or my four siblings. None of us have any tolerance for racism, nor do my niece and nephews. I hope your kids, should you have any follow your lead!
Load More Replies...While I think this interaction is great, keep in mind that it is not the job of black or brown people to educate white people about our experiences with racism. If a white person asks a person of color about their experiences with racism, the POC is in no way obligated to share anything. We are constantly conscious of our race and skin color and sometimes we just don't want to talk about it. I speak from experience. I was lead volunteer for a program where many of the volunteers are elderly, conservative, and white. One day, such a volunteer asked to have coffee with me. He wanted to discuss race and politics (he is very conservative, and I am very liberal, and he knew this). Furthermore, he wanted to get the perspective of me, a Mexican-American. (Honestly, I am probably one of the only brown people he knows.) I chose to talk to him, as I could tell he genuinely wanted to learn more, but at the same time I also felt uncomfortable.
Josephine, I thought of posting something similar. Whites should not impose on blacks to teach them about racism. There are plenty of books and websites to learn from. That this gentleman was willing to participate is commendable, but it was an imposition. Someone else might have minded the intrusion and not had the energy to explain something so deeply painful. I'd hate to have to be placed in a position where I'd have to summarize my painful private experiences for the benefit of a stranger. This worked out for them, but others should be aware of boundaries and other pathways to understand white supremacy and racism.
Load More Replies...Just another white person to the rescue. It shouldn't take a white person to vouch for a black person for them to get credit where credit is due.
I sure do get this BUT I have been to places where we are told to stay in our rooms when it gets dark. Black "gangs" have infiltrated many big cities and they run rampant. This is odd for us since we come from a very diverse area. In many ways I can see why good people are "profiled". We see it in movies, hear it in rap music and behaviors are rampant on tv cop shows. I understand why police officers in some cases become overzealous. Lastly more white people are killed by cops than black. Black against black deaths are this nations highest. We all should remember we are all created by one GOD and he does not see color
“Melting Pot”. “Mosaic”. Terms that imply loss of self, or separation from others. How about calling the US a ‘stew’? In a stew, the potatoes, the meat, the carrots, the beer, etc. retain their form and basic flavor, yet pick up more and deeper taste from cooking alongside each other. That’s what we need, everyone being themselves, just enhanced by those around them.
Arenite: I don't think it matters what we call it. Whatever you want to name it, let's agree that what it means is that people can be connected to their culture, speak their native tongue, be a part of their own community, and still be Americans. I think it's past time we give up the idea of "assimilation" as an American ideal. That's just code for insisting that people of color forget their heritage so they don't make narrow-minded white people uncomfortable.
Load More Replies...I think this is the essence of white privilege. I'm glad she has a new perspective and feel good about herself, but it's a feel good story that, in reality, has no feel good answers. They don't don't explicitly mention the reason why he gets stopped,- the racist police. they are a reflection of their community. Sorry, but color me skeptical if that meeting with the mayor bears any fruit in fighting racism. The mayor is just looking for some good publicity.
America has serious problems with racism, no doubt. I would never deny that. But it is absolutely not the most racist country in the world. Educate yourself on racism in other parts of the world before making sweeping statements like that. That being said, the racism in the United States is more inflammatory and despicable because we "pride ourselves" on equality and freedom for all, when that is clearly not the reality.
Load More Replies...It's terrible that he's pulled over so often. One thing we need to consider is that every city just about has its own police department and thus police culture. A city away, this might not happen. But it shouldn't happen anywhere. While I don't discount the police pulling hi over is racism (it probably is), to really know if it is, we need to know if the police are also pulling over white people regularly under the same circumstances. I'm guessing they don't, but we don't KNOW unless we know. As far as calling him "boy", seriously in this day and age, who is not over that sort of mental health issue of that sort of racism?! I seriously do not understand the mindset. A Black person and a White person in the United States belong to the same culture and are far more alike than a "white" person in the US and a French person from France.
The country is 64% Christian? Meaning this guy is likely religious in some way? Calm down.
Load More Replies...We are w white middle aged couple in upstate NY. Have several black friends that we have been friends with since college. We've definitely had conversations with them regarding this. One of them is a confirmed bachelor, of his own choosing (he's had several girlfriends, white and black). He said he hasn't ever gotten pulled over unless its for a traffic violation. (they have average vehicles). Our other friends said they hadnt either. Is this more of a southern thing??
There's probably a direct correlation between what's allowed by authorities and the level of harassment in any given area. I saw more problems in Chicago, fewer in Denver, a few questionable interactions in the South, and none in NY when I lived in those places.
Load More Replies...Good people with good jobs and good educations. That's what I wish the parents of the youth out there (of any color) would teach their children to strive for. We all need to see past color and look for a persons work ethic and want to learn new things. Music and videos about guns and the n word an just disrespectfulness against others and women need to be curtailed. It's not helping anyone to hear this songs about being big n bad or watching videos w gangs and guns an half naked women basically having dry hump sex in them. We all need to want morals and better for the youth. I'm not a prude. I just can't abide disrespectful youth that thinks they are entitled when they can't even tell the difference between the floor and ground in a statement. Sad world. Parents please be there to make your children better for the world by teaching them respect for EVERYONE.
White people will never understand what it's like to be a black man who has been discriminated against. Temporary sympathy is a nice way for white people to pass the time.
Yep. The truth hurts these snowflakes. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRB4faMU7o
Load More Replies...There were a few more edits with updates from Caroline Brock: Edit 6/2 9am. Just got off the phone with Ernest and the local news. They will be interviewing us today, and it will be on the local news in Myrtle beach tonight. I'll post it on my page later. Edit 6/7. Ernest and I ended up marching together at a peaceful protest in Myrtle Beach! It was a lovely day and we went out to lunch with our spouses afterwards. What a whirlwind of events! Check out my FB live of the protest! Edit 6/8: Ernest and I met today with a web designer to make sure his facebook and business pages are linked, so he's good to go there! I spoke with an investigator at the MB police department who was top notch. More to follow.
I'm overjoyed and tearful at the same time. What an amazing lady and beautiful man. That is the dialogue that is needed to help in ending this terrible injustice
This is why I hate it when the US goes around lecturing other countries for what they deem as "human rights violation" as if they have the moral high ground. Fix your own problems first.
No, one does not have to come at the cost of the other. We can respect all human rights.
Load More Replies...I can understand what Ernest has gone through because I have gone through some of these situations myself. I have been followed around stores to make sure I am not stealing. I have had people switch store aisles to get away from me. I have been called names because of the color of my skin. These are the kinds of discussions that need to take place right now. We need to stop trying to silence people and get them to shut up and we need to just listen. The only way that things will change is if we listen to each other.
I am so sorry that this happened to you. My eyes were really opened to how prevalent racism is when my cousin married a black man and became a mother to his two boys. I see what they go through and it is awful. We are working together to make the world a better place for her boys and for everyone. You have my respect, my love and my support.
Load More Replies...Years ago I use to wear a close cut Afro. I also had to be at my job at zerodarkthirty, so I was driving in the wee hours through my own neighborhood when it was still dark outside. I got pulled over for no reason. When the cop saw that I was a female, he mumbled out some asinine reason for stopping me (I don't remember what he said, but I was rolling my eyes privately), and 'allowed' me to go my way. I have a son, daughter and five grandsons. I worry about them daily.
In Louisiana, we say gumbo, not melting pot. Melting is too homogeneous, but salad is too individual. In a gumbo, you can see the pieces of okra and vegetables and seafood/meat. But they cook together and meld flavors. https://www.pri.org/stories/2013-07-19/language-and-culture-new-orleans-embodied-one-food-gumbo
Load More Replies...It is a joy and a heartbreak to read. I think Bored Panda is very remiss in letting the racist morons post here and leave posts standing, even though they are voted down. The fact that they LET garbage sit in the street like that means I will NEVER click an advert link.
Imo BP let the dumbest things and racist comments standing to read by us, to show to all of us: yes, they're out there! And also BP shows the down votes, the comments of people telling the truth about life and how this could be. Or should be. In Germany we learned, that this is how democracy works. Say what you want, but be aware of the consequences. It could be prison or applause. (Excuse my bad English, I'm not a native speaker.)
Load More Replies...Not only white people, me, a Chinese, also feel a little scared of black guys. I think probably because of the media reports and crime rates and some discrimination to Chinese people from the black. I was also discriminate by a black stranger when I was in the first year in university, he told "Ching Chong, Ching Chong" and did slanted eyes to me even I don't know him. At that time, I just came from China and no idea what he's doing. I smiled at him then left.
I hope no one else behaved that way with you (white people discriminate, too -- a white friend made a joke and I told her her "Don't use that term"). You have every right to let people know that their behaviour is offensive.
Load More Replies...I live in Sorel-Tracy, Québec CANADA, a small town where we did'nt had much colours or diversity when I was young. It all change now and my kids (16yo boy & 19yo girl) have a lot of friends from various backgrounds and life is simple now!! at the end of the day my swimming pool is full of beautiful teens and I think it's wonderful!! =0)
Quebec is legalizing racism by banning religious garb (hijabs, kippa etc) I think it's great your kids have friends of different ethnicity but maybe get to work on Bill 21 before attempting to declare victory in Quebec.
Load More Replies...I'm glad to hear that people like Caroline are fighting for equality by giving a voice to those on the receiving end of racial discrimination. I hope that this inspires others to do the same.
Good for both fo them! .... One thing I hated about moving to the US South was that nonwhites won't meet the gaze of whites. I konw WHY. I just hate that they feel that way, and that it is justified by history/reality. They're people. I'm people. THAT Is ALL THAT MATTERS TO ME... Now to get the world to agree... *sigh*
Yes, Leo, I noticed that in her post, that as he was leaving, HE LOOKED HER IN THE EYE. At first, I thought, why did she have to say that, of course, he'd look her in the eye when he talks to her. I thought all of that not looking in the eye thing was well and truly over, but it's obviously not, sadly. (I'm so pleased though that his business is now booming! I'd love to hire him as my appliance repairman, but it's a long commute from South Carolina to Australia!)
Load More Replies...this is one of many " i will sit down and listens to the blacks and their perspective" type articles. which is a good thing. ask us before you assume that we are ok or angry. i fail to see how the whole black bike week and the trashing of the city contributes to the story. black bike week is also a big money maker and is not the only big event that wrecks the town. this should be the norm and its nice but she gets no pat on the back from me.
Usually I tell suppressed people (doesn't matter if because of gender, ethnicity, sexuality, race or whatever) that they shouldn't wait for someone to "grand" them their rights (cause who knows when that'll happen, if it will at all) they should go out and claim them instead. Sad thing is in this case I can't tell that to people cause they might end up dead...
It just goes to show the difference that one person alone can make, if only more people saw it from her point of view. Racism makes no sense to me, I don't understand it.
To hear in this day and age that he would be scared to work after dark is a shock indeed. How can the world still be so backwards? I grew up hearing racist things from my dad frequently enough, but I think it made my resolution even stronger against racism having to hear his crazy and hateful remarks. Anyone can have a friend in me if they are nice <3
KT: Good for you! My late Dad grew up around that from his father too, and he loathed it. Like you, he just decided to have no tolerance for racism -- and never let his father around me or my four siblings. None of us have any tolerance for racism, nor do my niece and nephews. I hope your kids, should you have any follow your lead!
Load More Replies...While I think this interaction is great, keep in mind that it is not the job of black or brown people to educate white people about our experiences with racism. If a white person asks a person of color about their experiences with racism, the POC is in no way obligated to share anything. We are constantly conscious of our race and skin color and sometimes we just don't want to talk about it. I speak from experience. I was lead volunteer for a program where many of the volunteers are elderly, conservative, and white. One day, such a volunteer asked to have coffee with me. He wanted to discuss race and politics (he is very conservative, and I am very liberal, and he knew this). Furthermore, he wanted to get the perspective of me, a Mexican-American. (Honestly, I am probably one of the only brown people he knows.) I chose to talk to him, as I could tell he genuinely wanted to learn more, but at the same time I also felt uncomfortable.
Josephine, I thought of posting something similar. Whites should not impose on blacks to teach them about racism. There are plenty of books and websites to learn from. That this gentleman was willing to participate is commendable, but it was an imposition. Someone else might have minded the intrusion and not had the energy to explain something so deeply painful. I'd hate to have to be placed in a position where I'd have to summarize my painful private experiences for the benefit of a stranger. This worked out for them, but others should be aware of boundaries and other pathways to understand white supremacy and racism.
Load More Replies...Just another white person to the rescue. It shouldn't take a white person to vouch for a black person for them to get credit where credit is due.
I sure do get this BUT I have been to places where we are told to stay in our rooms when it gets dark. Black "gangs" have infiltrated many big cities and they run rampant. This is odd for us since we come from a very diverse area. In many ways I can see why good people are "profiled". We see it in movies, hear it in rap music and behaviors are rampant on tv cop shows. I understand why police officers in some cases become overzealous. Lastly more white people are killed by cops than black. Black against black deaths are this nations highest. We all should remember we are all created by one GOD and he does not see color
“Melting Pot”. “Mosaic”. Terms that imply loss of self, or separation from others. How about calling the US a ‘stew’? In a stew, the potatoes, the meat, the carrots, the beer, etc. retain their form and basic flavor, yet pick up more and deeper taste from cooking alongside each other. That’s what we need, everyone being themselves, just enhanced by those around them.
Arenite: I don't think it matters what we call it. Whatever you want to name it, let's agree that what it means is that people can be connected to their culture, speak their native tongue, be a part of their own community, and still be Americans. I think it's past time we give up the idea of "assimilation" as an American ideal. That's just code for insisting that people of color forget their heritage so they don't make narrow-minded white people uncomfortable.
Load More Replies...I think this is the essence of white privilege. I'm glad she has a new perspective and feel good about herself, but it's a feel good story that, in reality, has no feel good answers. They don't don't explicitly mention the reason why he gets stopped,- the racist police. they are a reflection of their community. Sorry, but color me skeptical if that meeting with the mayor bears any fruit in fighting racism. The mayor is just looking for some good publicity.
America has serious problems with racism, no doubt. I would never deny that. But it is absolutely not the most racist country in the world. Educate yourself on racism in other parts of the world before making sweeping statements like that. That being said, the racism in the United States is more inflammatory and despicable because we "pride ourselves" on equality and freedom for all, when that is clearly not the reality.
Load More Replies...It's terrible that he's pulled over so often. One thing we need to consider is that every city just about has its own police department and thus police culture. A city away, this might not happen. But it shouldn't happen anywhere. While I don't discount the police pulling hi over is racism (it probably is), to really know if it is, we need to know if the police are also pulling over white people regularly under the same circumstances. I'm guessing they don't, but we don't KNOW unless we know. As far as calling him "boy", seriously in this day and age, who is not over that sort of mental health issue of that sort of racism?! I seriously do not understand the mindset. A Black person and a White person in the United States belong to the same culture and are far more alike than a "white" person in the US and a French person from France.
The country is 64% Christian? Meaning this guy is likely religious in some way? Calm down.
Load More Replies...We are w white middle aged couple in upstate NY. Have several black friends that we have been friends with since college. We've definitely had conversations with them regarding this. One of them is a confirmed bachelor, of his own choosing (he's had several girlfriends, white and black). He said he hasn't ever gotten pulled over unless its for a traffic violation. (they have average vehicles). Our other friends said they hadnt either. Is this more of a southern thing??
There's probably a direct correlation between what's allowed by authorities and the level of harassment in any given area. I saw more problems in Chicago, fewer in Denver, a few questionable interactions in the South, and none in NY when I lived in those places.
Load More Replies...Good people with good jobs and good educations. That's what I wish the parents of the youth out there (of any color) would teach their children to strive for. We all need to see past color and look for a persons work ethic and want to learn new things. Music and videos about guns and the n word an just disrespectfulness against others and women need to be curtailed. It's not helping anyone to hear this songs about being big n bad or watching videos w gangs and guns an half naked women basically having dry hump sex in them. We all need to want morals and better for the youth. I'm not a prude. I just can't abide disrespectful youth that thinks they are entitled when they can't even tell the difference between the floor and ground in a statement. Sad world. Parents please be there to make your children better for the world by teaching them respect for EVERYONE.
White people will never understand what it's like to be a black man who has been discriminated against. Temporary sympathy is a nice way for white people to pass the time.
Yep. The truth hurts these snowflakes. Check this out. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksRB4faMU7o
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