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Bored Panda got in touch with Bram Stoker Award-winning editor Doug Murano, the founder of Bad Hand Books, for a chat about villains and antiheroes. We were interested to hear his thoughts about why the audience might want to root for the 'bad guys.'

"I think we're built to relate to the thoughts and emotions villains are allowed to express, but heroes are not. We've all had times in our lives when we've felt jealousy, rage, the need for vengeance—feelings that often drive the actions of villains," he told us.

"Part of the value of indulging in fictional worlds is to give voice to the feelings we can't in real life. That's a long way to say that I think it's healthy to root for the villain sometimes. Don't feel bad about enjoying it," editor Doug said that we shouldn't feel guilty about this.

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Your man Grey from the Fifty Shades books.

**Disclaimer** My flatmate had all 3 books and I read them as a method of procrastination from uni work. I also cleaned out all the kitchen cupboards, so that shows the frame of mind I was in.

Why is he seen as a wonderful, sexy, man of your dreams? He's a narcissistic misogynistic d******d. He targeted a young naive girl and groomed her for his own enjoyment.

MadWifeUK , Sebaso Report

Final score:

183points

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Luke Branwen 2 years ago

If Grey was a fat slob living in a trailer, "50 Shades" would be seen as a crime novel instead of romance.

145points

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Scrolled for ages and couldn’t see anyone saying Ross and Rachel from Friends, although I guess maybe it’s fair to say that the “point” of their story wasn’t that they were absolutely toxic for each other. I remember a time in the late nineties to mid noughties when every dating profile and every MySpace page had some variation of “I’m just a Rachel Green looking for her Ross Geller”. Despite the fact that Ross was a gas-lighting, possessive, jealous wanker and Rachel was a needy, stuck-up, indecisive user of people and the only one who had the balls to tell her so was Hugh Laurie in a cameo. And she clearly didn’t listen because she just kept getting worse and worse after that.

Wakkahama , NBC Report

Final score:

158points

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Andy Williams 2 years ago

All of the Friends are horrible people if you think about it.

67points

Bored Panda also wanted to hear about the hallmarks of a truly great villain. Here's what Doug, from Bad Hand Books, had to say about this: "Good villains have a reason for doing what they do—and they feel absolutely justified in taking those actions. That doesn't mean they need a sophisticated backstory, but a good villain is the hero of their own story," he said.

"And the best villains have motivations we can partially sympathize with. Think about Pamela Voorhees, who picks off camp counselors to avenge the death of her son. Most of us cringe at her methods, but can relate to her anger."

Meanwhile, when it comes to the difference between villains and antiheroes, Doug sees it in terms of selfishness vs. selflessness. "A villain's goals are centered on satisfying their own emotional needs, whereas an antihero will do things that are characteristically villainous for the greater good," he told Bored Panda.

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Joker. And all those cringe posts on Facebook that's just pictures of him saying s**t like "I got your back in the darkest times" my dude he doesn't have anyone's back that's the f*****g joker

Unknown_Captain , Warner Bros Report

Final score:

139points

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Mia Black 2 years ago

I don't like the way He is Idealized and hyped. I think people liked the way the actors showed the role and i respect their work but i can not stand, when people party a person who is cruel on purpose. It downplays violence, even if the characters are fictional. Since they are portrayed by real people, the line between fiction and reality becomes smaller, and I'm concerned that people who aren't good at reflecting might get the wrong perception.

35points

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Jerry from Tom and Jerry. He's a f****r, Tom is just defending his house

PapuMsterioso , momokacma Report

Final score:

134points

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Zedrapazia 2 years ago

Mice are cute and nice, until you have them in your house. Then you'll thank the s**t out of your cat for devouring their destructive asses

48points

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Romeo and Juliet

Why_So_Slow , -JvL- Report

Final score:

130points

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Deborah B 2 years ago

It was supposed to be a tragedy. Not a romantic ideal.

37points

Let’s be frank for a moment: there will always be disagreements on how to interpret certain story elements, character arcs, and what the writer/artist intended to put on the screen and on the page. It’s like asking who’s cooler, Batman, Superman, or Spiderman.

However, by getting involved in these discussions, setting up our arguments, and countering others’ opinions, we get a bit closer to the truth about what makes characters stand out, what types of stories and tropes we prefer, and why.

You’ll hardly ever come to a satisfactory conclusion in arguments over fiction (especially if you’re on the internet!), but sharing your ideas and interpretations can help you get your own thoughts in order. Things get very interesting once you move past the, ‘I don’t like character X/I think that opinion Y is wrong, and I’m the only one who’s right!’ phase.

Joker & Harley are still idolized as an example of crazy passionate love despite it being clearly established as an abusive relationship. It’s a shame the movies had to cut out most of the really bad Joker abuse because then maybe the point will be driven home

TwoHeadedBoyTwo Report

Final score:

128points

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Luke Branwen 2 years ago

I don't follow DC stuff at all, but lately I often see Harley dating Poison Ivy and I thing that's hell of an upgrade.

60points

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Peter Pan, he flies into kids windows and kidnaps them.

B00dle , Edward Mason Eggleston Report

Final score:

117points

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Monday 2 years ago

and potentially murders lost boys who get to old to still be lost boys depending on which version of the story we're talking about.

70points

Archie Bunker - I hear boomers admiring that he didn't care if he offended people as if that's a good thing. In reality, the character was specifically written as a satire of the small-minded middle class bigots who think they're so clever when they know so little.

ststeveg Report

Final score:

115points

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Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

Do they not realize Archie was the butt of the jokes?!

48points

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While a quick scroll through social media will show you a ton of extremely cringy Joker memes that should be avoided like the plague, it’d be unfair to write off the character entirely. Yes, he’s pretty much a violent psychopath who (depending on which version of the Joker you have in mind) gets up to everything from silly pranks to some truly dark and mind-breaking stuff that nobody should ever fall victim to.

He’s definitely not a hero and shouldn’t be idolized. He’s also not just a psychopath. It’s not wrong to feel at least some sympathy for villains and antiheroes sometimes. Some aspects of their character and their motivations might make them relatable. Things aren’t just black or white in modern and postmodern media unless you’re telling a very traditional Good vs. Evil story. Gotham, we feel, has enough space for some more nuance and shades of grey. If a character is written well and is more than just two-dimensional, it's normal to at least understand where they're coming from, even if you're not fully on their side.

In the opinion of yours truly, what makes a villain compelling is that their goals and motivations resonate with us. We see a part of ourselves in them and their actions. We’re forced to come to the stark conclusion that even though we want the heroes to win and save the day, that victory isn’t as morally clear-cut as it might initially seem.

#10

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Walter White. You're not supposed to root for the murderous, ruthless, self-centred, ego maniac drug lord by the end of the series. People do.

Final score:

108points

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Deborah B 2 years ago

I thought the point of the series was that America is a distopia that pushes people into destructive and/or criminal behaviour by denying them basic human rights. Such as life-saving medical care.

89points

#11

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point I'm ready for the downvotes, but my honest opinion is Snape. Dude was a jealous, racist, and condescending a*****e. Dude was straight up bullied and we get his perspective so we feel sympathy for him, but the dude was straight up in the wizarding world's kkk. Somehow he's loved because he loved Harry's mom, switched sides, and was a double agent. I get the whole redemption arc but he was still acting selfishly and I don't get why people think he's such a hero. He's a complete a*s to Harry for no reason other than 'your father was an a*s to me so f**k you.'

The guy literally walked over his unrequited love's HUSBANDS dead body to sob over her death. Could you imagine if you knew a guy in high school who joined the kkk, had the most incel crush on you, and was so obsessed with you that he cradled your dead body after walking over your husband's dead body?

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Final score:

105points

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Monday 2 years ago

We should note though that said "unrequited love's husband" was the bully that tormented him less than 5 years ago. I would totally step over my bully's corpse without a second thought. And although Snape was very much an a*****e the whole "wizard KKK" thing happened when he was like 20. Young people are often dumb, we don't judge them solely for the c**p they did in the past. Was Snape a hero though? Absolutely not. That's the point. He's just a dude who ended up doing the right thing after doing a bunch of wrong things.

89points

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#12

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Holden Caulfield, The Catcher in the Rye. He wasn’t being refreshingly rebellious, he was crying out for help. He was probably mentally ill, and definitely emotionally scarred by his brother’s death and the unhealthy way his parents handled that tragedy.

Final score:

95points

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Adam Belaire 2 years ago

"I don't buy them a copy of Catcher in the Rye and then lecture them with some seventh grade interpretation of how Holden Caulfield is some profound, intellectual. He wasn't! He was a spoiled brat!" -Glen Quagmire, Family Guy. S8 Ep 7 "Jerome Is the New Black"

35points

Real life is messy, chaotic, and complicated. People are incredibly rarely purely good or evil. Stories and characters that manage to capture a fraction of that while keeping the audience entertained can go very far.

You could argue that just as much as fictional characters shouldn’t be idolized, they also shouldn’t be immediately demonized. Besides, it’s often hard to know what the ‘point’ of a particular story is when we don’t have access to the unfiltered thoughts and intentions of the creators. Moreover, once you finish a story and let it loose upon the world, it’s no longer just your creation. Everyone who reads or watches it adds to the worldbuilding whenever they share their interpretations.

So, yes, to put it bluntly, evil characters obviously shouldn’t be idolized… but perhaps the reason they are is that they’re written so well that they work like mirrors, reflecting a part of the audience and society back at them. A part that may be uncomfortable for many to even think about.

Psychologist Lee Chambers told Bored Panda during an earlier interview that part of the reason why people enjoy watching entertainment that covers the darker side of humanity is due to our evolutionary journey as human beings.

“For the majority of our existence, we were prey and always hyperaware of threats to our safety, which created a negativity bias that we are drawn towards. But in today's safe and often sanitized world, we are rarely threatened significantly, and the ability to explore evil, frightening and gruesome entertainment is one of the few ways we can visit this part of humanity while remaining safe and comfortable,” he shared his thoughts about forms of entertainment like the spectacularly popular true crime genre.

“There is a level of novelty to it, it removes boredom quickly, and it helps us to discover our emotional limits while understanding the minds of those who go beyond social norms and potentially gaining knowledge of how we might avoid being victims ourselves. They also offer closure, with many stories ending with the mystery being solved, and the criminal being brought to a level of justice.”

#13

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Scarface. So many wannabe gangstas and rappers with Scarface shirts and posters.

Leeser , Universal Pictures Report

Final score:

90points

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West World Employee 7 2 years ago

His character was totally revolting!

5points

#14

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Homelander from The Boys comes to mind

What I am referring to is that there was an article that was published about some fans who genuinely thought Homelander, who is supposed to represent white supremacy ideology and toxic masculinity ideals, was actually a good guy in the show. It took them until the third season to find out that he was actually the bad guy and people were big mad about it. It blew my mind that they went through two seasons and thought Homelander was a good guy......

So that was who came to mind first with this prompt.

biochemnerd12 , Fenixlord23 Report

Final score:

81points

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Bernd Herbert 2 years ago

dude blew up a commercial airplane in season 1 and people still thought he was the good guy?? WTF?

53points

#15

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Vito Corleone, and by extension, Michael.

Vito had to flee his home as a little boy to escape a mafia boss who wanted him dead. He gets to the US, but because of discrimination against Italians and another mafia boss stealing his job for his nephew, he's forced into crime so he can take care of his family. He joins The Life, and he's good at it.

But because of that life:

- Sonny is murdered
- Michael goes into exile
- Michael's first wife is murdered
- Fredo has a breakdown
- Connie goes off the rails after her abusive husband is killed
- Michael's second wife leaves him
- Fredo betrays Michael
- Michael has him killed
- Michael's daughter is killed
- Michael's son hates him

Even more tragic? MICHAEL ALMOST ESCAPED THAT LIFE.

EDIT: 90% of y'all are agreeing with me and the other 10% are proving my point.

fangirlandproudofit , Wikipedia Report

Final score:

73points

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Gabriele Alfredo Pini 2 years ago

I hate the Mafia: in Italy we have so much controls and laws because of those wankers!

19points

"It [the story] can take us on an emotional rollercoaster, have us trying to solve the puzzle and test our fear in a controlled way. The permission to explore evil is powerful, as we so rarely get the chance elsewhere, and in itself, it is healthy and normal in moderation," the psychologist told Bored Panda.

"The challenge we face is the fact that consuming too much of this can desensitize us, and cause us to become less empathetic to the suffering of others, more fearful of our own environment, and potentially be more likely to use aggression ourselves. It can also cause us to be triggered by our own previous adverse experiences, make it harder to manage our own emotional balance, and increase our stress levels, so moderating our consumption is something we should have front of mind, even when we get embroiled in the latest series that is pulling us in."

#16

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Patrick Bateman.

The memes today are undermining how brutally narcissistic, inhuman and soulless he really is. The novel made me puke every few pages.

He himself admitted the only emotions he was left with was greed and disgust.

He is among the peak consumerist in a consumerism driven society.

rukthor , wikipedia Report

Final score:

67points

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Hex Gurls 2 years ago

which is exactly the point. he’s a satire of businessmen who are the ideology of consumerism. i almost vomited when i looked him up when watching the movie for the first time and there were so many articles titled, ‘how to be patrick bateman’. he has zero redeeming qualities what the f**k is there to emulate if u don’t want to be a sociopath

45points

Infinite_Occasion , Paramount Pictures Report

#17

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Not actually fictional but- The Wolf of Wall Street

Final score:

61points

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Ines Olabarria-Smith 2 years ago

Never seen that film after reading an interview of the daughter of the man it was based on. Her life was ruined by his father’s doing and she hated the idea of him being celebrated.

26points

#18

Ferris Bueller. Looking back he just seems like a lazy manipulative teenager who bullies his suicidal friend into riding and eventually crashing an expensive car, not to mention harassing his principal who was a jerk but was just trying to do his job.

LuvClue Report

Final score:

58points

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Mistiekim 2 years ago

I wouldn’t call him lazy - I mean the kid set up elaborate schemes in order to get out of school. And Rooney was absolutely determined to catch him. He could’ve stayed at the school and nothing would’ve happened to him other than being mad. He’s the one that went out to track Ferris.

25points

mofukkinbreadcrumbz , MEDIODESCOCIDO Report

#19

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point I teach high school computer science. My first year was the year Rick and Morty came out. Every one of my students was convinced that they were Rick. I’m so glad they’ve moved to all being weebs now. The Rick gang was insufferable

Final score:

53points

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Ellie Vanille 2 years ago

I never watched this show. What's wrong with Rick? (true question)

17points

#20

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Light Yagami.

So many people forget that Death Note basically shredded whatever redeeming qualities he had for the sole purpose of spreading the message that power corrupts/absolute power corrupts absolutely. The only thing that anyone really seems to talk about regarding his character is that he’s awesome, handsome, and polite, and even the former was a facade.

More___Yogurt Report

Final score:

49points

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Monday 2 years ago

Same with L on the flipside. He's childish, selfish and willing to sacrifice people if it means getting the information he needs on whoever he's hunting. They were lovely counterparts to watch going up against each other, but the real heroes were the poor cops just doing their jobs.

43points

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#21

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Alex from A Clockwork Orange.

The point of the book (to my reading) was that you can't force natures hand. All the rehabilitation in the world couldn't make Alex grow up, only Alex could. And he did. In the end, it was not a glorification of violence.

zCYNICALifornia , Dr Umm Report

Final score:

49points

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RP 2 years ago

If I recall correctly, the film basically cut the final chapter of the book in which we see him grow-up which has led to a lot of misinterpretations of the work. It has been awhile since I saw it though, so I could be wrong

19points

#22

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point The Punisher

Nonsenseinabag , Netflix Report

Final score:

47points

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Nicole Weymann 2 years ago (edited)

Vigilantism in general is not the heroic deed it's made out to be. The image of heroes single handedly cleaning up may be nice in comics, but in real life for every attempted Batman/Robin Hood there's a thousand Judge Dredds/lynch mob members whose actions can best be summarized by "Oops! But how was I to know that he was innocent?".

26points

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#23

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Greg heffley. Guys a little sh*thead.

Final score:

47points

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Strawberry Pizza 2 years ago

In the first Movie Diary, Jeff Kinney actually addresses this. Greg was meant to be a bit of a jerk - it was intentional.

9points

#24

Phantom of the Opera. Rejection does not give a person a free pass to manipulate someone into loving him or her. Don't get me wrong; I don't hate him- in fact, I sympathize with him because no one likes rejection and abuse, of course. Boy, is the musical character a hero compared to his portrayal in the book, though, and the character is actually far darker than any adaptation may be able to portray accurately! (Not to knock on Lord Andrew Lloyd Weber, of course; I'm just stating that the Phantom is far darker than I think *anyone* would be able to capture completely.)

ETA: 1.5K karma??? Oh, boy, I had no idea Lord Webber's work was *that* controversial as compared to the book, but I did know the real Phantom was a lot darker....

ENFJPLinguaphile Report

Final score:

44points

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RP 2 years ago

But damn that book is fantastic

15points

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#25

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Woody from toy story. Guy's ego is larger than the moon

Torqyboi , Pixar Animation Studios Report

Final score:

44points

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B.Nelson 2 years ago

That's the point of the story. His ego and anger get the better of him and he has to journey into darkness in order to make up for what he has done.

49points

#26

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Tyler Durden, hands down.

sazerrrac , wallpaperim.net Report

Final score:

41points

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Wintermute 2 years ago

This is an excellent example of the hero you deserve rather than the hero you need. Sort of fighting fire with fire, except the fire is toxic culture. The point of Tyler Durdin is that he's an antihero, not meant to be easy to categorize as good or bad - the false duality of lazy writers.

16points

#27

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Michael Scott? I mean, I know people don't "idolize" him. But overall he's so damn likeable that we all like him, and probably all think he's actually a caring, loving boss.

But in reality he throws his people under the bus quite a bit and always puts himself first.

That said, I can't help but love the guy.

NaughtSleeping , NBC Report

Final score:

38points

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JERRY NO YOU DON’T supports Ukraine 2 years ago

I think that's the point tho...

22points

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#28

Jay Gatsby.

Final score:

34points

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LinkTheHylian 2 years ago

Not so great now are you? You little bastard.

7points

#29

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Love Quinn from You.

I can’t believe how many people worship her character. I have to tell myself that the people praising her actually KNOW she’s an insane, psychopathic, manipulative murderer, and their admiration of her is actually rooted in how well developed her character is and how refreshing it is to see a female villain instead of just another innocent victim. I have to tell myself that to sleep at night. Because there’s no way people actually admire HER, as in who her character was. There’s no way they can justify her actions or want to be anything like her. Right? Lol.

DirtStreet3135 , Rothcolucifer Report

Final score:

30points

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Kensi 2 years ago

Hoped I would see her on this list.

5points

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#30

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Thomas Shelby Peaky Blinders.

Phillyfrom312 , Terry Kearney Report

Final score:

22points

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Deborah Harris 2 years ago

I don't think the point of his story was missed at all. The whole sets of series showed his flaws and those of his family. His character was idolised because of his family values and the way he protected his own

11points

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30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Bojack Horseman from Bojack Horseman.

waitthatstaken , The Lamb Family Report

Final score:

16points

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Tabitha Frost 2 years ago (edited)

May I ask why? (Edit: I don't watch this show and I'm genuinely curious)

0points

#32

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Rorschach from Watchmen. The whole point of the character is he’s a mentally deranged and violent lunatic obsessed with right wing conspiracy theories. He’s an idiot. Even at the end of the book he gathers all this information that can expose the villains crimes, he sacrifices his life to make sure the truth gets out and to do so he sends the info to some no-name local rag that spends half their time reporting on the lizard people and nonsense like that. It’s a character people should cringe at and instead the idiots Rorschach was written to mock think he’s the ultimate badass.

Final score:

15points

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Don't..just..dont 2 years ago

He kills poedophiles..he's good in my book

4points

#33

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Tom from *500 Days of Summer*

Really liked the character and could associate myself with him in my younger self but he's living in his fantasies more than understanding his reality.

CrackerGuy Report

Final score:

12points

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New Everywhere 2 years ago

From the start she told him she didn't want a serious relationship

3points

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#34

Hannibal Lecter. Not everyone will admit it, but they cheered when Lecter escaped from the cops in Silence of the Lambs by wearing the one cop's face...Because Jonathan Demme painted Lecter almost as the protagonist opposite of Buffalo Bill's antagonist. So, we put aside the fact the man was a cannibal who had murdered multiple people and eaten them...we rooted for Lecter, because we liked him better...

Davi_323 Report

Final score:

11points

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Monday 2 years ago

I don't think anyone sees Lecter as a hero or an idol...he's just that really cool villain we love. Sometimes we like it when the bad guys win.

19points

#35

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point scott pilgrim, hands down.

spazzxxcc12 Report

Final score:

10points

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JERRY NO YOU DON’T supports Ukraine 2 years ago

I think that's the point of the movie, no?

4points

#36

30 Fictional Characters That People Idolize By Entirely Missing The Point Sephiroth. There are thousands of simps for this guy, myself included; even tho he’s the main antagonist of Final Fantasy 7 and killed a s**t ton of people

ToaNinjaNuva , Square Enix Report

Final score:

8points

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B.Nelson 2 years ago

His entrance music though...

2points

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#37

Travis Bickle

"You talkin' to me?"

Superlite47 Report

Final score:

5points

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Dash Junior 2 years ago (edited)

We can thank Bruce Springsteen for, “You talkin’ to me?” Both de Niro and Scorsese heard Springsteen say that at concerts while Springsteen was singing the song, Quarter to Three.

3points

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Casey McAlister 2 years ago

I'd like to note that liking a character is not like liking a person. You like them not because they are great people, you like them because they are interesting to observe. And characters with questionable morality tend to be the most interesting ones,cause you can't be 100% sure what they are going to do in one or another situation.

42points

BasedWang12.3 2 years ago

THAAAAAANK YOUUU

13points

Legoinsinööri 2 years ago

Also many of the villains and antiheros on this list have just have aspects that could be idolized. Many of them have stories about one winning against all odds and how they are freed themselves to do whatever they want.

8points

LilliVB 2 years ago

Thanks, for heaven's sake. I was totally thinking the same. I like most of the characters listed in this article. I want to be like them? Not in a million years! I found them the most righteous and wise in the history of literature and cinema? Again, hell no! But a book or a movie is good when it's given good characterization, and I like when it happens, hence I like a well written or played character. This doesn't mean that I'm loosing all my critical thinking and I can't see the flaws they have as human beings, that I'm going to make them my idols that I aim to emulate. Most of them are a way, maybe extreme, to critic the society and this means to me that a well written character gives me a different perspective to think about, a different point of view.

1point

Elio 2 years ago

Thank you.

1point

tuzdayschild 2 years ago

It's possible to like a great villain without wanting to be that villain. How interesting woud the story be without them. It's not take serious.

15points

René Studer 2 years ago

This whole post pissed me off. It seemed to imply that liking a character is the same thing as agreeing with a characters actions. This is why we can’t have good movies anymore.

10points

Benita Valdez 2 years ago

Thank you. You can love a character that is evil and vile because they were created so amazingly. I mean look, they illicit such intense feelings from people that there are posts like these with so much hate for them. All the hate and revulsion of a character is just testament to the skill of the creator and really deserves the adoration for being so hateable

4points

BravePanda 2 years ago (edited)

Barney, from How I Met Your Mother. He was played with such charm by Neil Patrick Harris, but is absurdly vile. The character is a lying, manipulative sexual predator. His friends are all aware that he deceives women for his own gain but just laugh it off.

10points

Bernd Herbert 2 years ago

Darth Vader should be on there. A mass-murdering villain which has, including his army of Stromtroopers, become a poculture idol. That still seems pretty strange to me

7points

BobTDG 2 years ago

Because he's also the good guy, a whiny little s**t who was manipulated.

4points

Supernatural fan666 2 years ago

Chuck from supernatural is not here ._.

4points

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

He's God, you may as well put Lucifer on here too lol

1point

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

This is just a personal list of Fictional 'people' the author doesn't like ... it's not the opinion of the masses, so don't take it seriously :)

4points

BasedWang12.3 2 years ago

I had to stop reading this..... bruh they are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. chill the F out

4points

MimSorensson 2 years ago (edited)

The thing is that cultural icons and ideals are among the most powerful tools in existence in changing human morality and commonly accepted ethics - what people see is what they believe. It really does matter, history clearly shows us that. Not from individual to individual, but over a decade and a society? Oh you bet.

0points

Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

I'd add Batman. Vigilante weirdo stalking the buildings of Gotham... Ew. See: Gabriel Iglesias on this one. @ 1: 15 onward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-DfqkT76ag

4points

Q B F T 2 years ago

Gotham could probably do with its resident billionaire investing more in charitable organisations and less in techno gadgets to support his sadist habit of beating up mentally ill poor people

3points

ben woskje 2 years ago

God doesn't rate a mention on this list ? The most evil, sick, morally depraved fictional character of them all that is idolised by literally billions of equally evil people... ?

4points

Rachel Reynolds 2 years ago

I'm about to get a butt-ton of hate, but...the Christian God is a Mary Sue. Other Gods in other pantheons have flaws and make mistakes and have their own specialty that they do/rule/control. But the Big Guy in the Sky is flawless, knows everything, sees everything and can do anything. Ergo, Mary Sue.

2points

Carrie B 2 years ago

I can't believe no one said Tony Soprano.

3points

Marette 2 years ago

Frank Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond. Aggressive, homophobic bully who verbally abused his family & yet somehow got laughs. I cringe when I see him in this show.

2points

DC 2 years ago (edited)

... nobody mentioned Beavis and Butt-Head? I mean ... idolizing is the wrong word, but in 8th grade, when we were getting into smoking interesting things, we often did stuff they'd do ... we had a free hour tuesdays, just when the Penny market got their weekly delivery of some of the stuff they offer, and they happened to have their lunch break just then, leave the truck open behind the store, leave the door open ... we could go in and steal nonalcoholic beer and oranges out of their sight (and, therefore, practiced an interesting diet on tuesdays...), and one time we played with the truck's tail lift. I knew how to operate these, showed a classmate who halfway listened, then pushed me aside to take over, and, accordingly, halfway knew what he was doing ... so he changed its angle of it instead of lifting it, and a pallett that before leaned against the upward lift pad rolled along it, tipped over, and spilled about 50 kg of apples into the backyard the Penny shared with the police, whose bathroom window faced the backyard, and we heard the huge, middle-aged former bodybuilder policeman scream at us that he'd be out to get us once he was done shidding, which would be a matter of mere seconds (this was the ninteties - mobile phones were less of a thing then, and a phone on the John, the Police just hadn't ... they were uncommon everywhere anyway). So we ran away, laughing because we were high as a few kites and because of the stupidity of ourselves, the carelessness of Penny's staff, the fac I assisted someone who moved some weeks prior and got to know how to use those lifts there, that all contributed to make this summit of human culture happend. Oh, and a few of us even took some of the apples with us, gifted to any students we met who wanted one, and therefore, as the teachers noticed our generosity and the Police asked the school about who might have been involved in an accident that included a few people of which at least one knew how to mess up operating a tail lift, apples and a tail lift, and as us running around donating apples were not that common of a sight there, ... well, we got caught, agreed to buy the damaged apples, and did so the next day (most of us ... one or two just didn't show up). And, before we did this, we asked ourselves "What would Beavis and Butt-Head do?", and came to the conclusion that at least the initial plan of playing around with whatever non-toys had the bad luck of getting into our reach, and not to smartout each other, but just let it flow the way it does if thinking is actively suppressed. So, yeah, I miss Beavis and Butt-Head here, although of course we didn't see them as role models by any means exceeding the incident described above.

2points

WonderWoman 2 years ago

Elliot Stabler from Law & Order SVU - what an out of control cop.

2points

Huddo's sister 2 years ago

I'd say Heathcliff and Kathy from Wuthering Heights. That was not a romance but an example of how two people can give in to a toxic relationship.

1point

Lara Verne 2 years ago

Any villainous "hot" person who uses their sad past as justification to f**k everything up.

1point

Asriel Dreemurr 2 years ago

I would have put Evan from Dear Evan Hansen. His situation is very complicated (source: I’ve watched the musical and read the book) but he’s far from the innocent cinnamon roll people make him out to be. He still lied to the grieving parents of a classmate he never knew that he was best friend with their late son and use the situation to get closer to the sister of the person he was pretending about when that opportunity was there, then he turned his back on his mom and friends. Not to say he’s completely awful, he does change, he’s just seen as the victim frequently when that’s far from the truth and I’m tired of it.

1point

Becky Samuel 2 years ago

I'll probably get shot down in flames here (again), but Vilanelle and Eve. All I see are articles going "Oh boo-hoo they didn't get their happy ending" when they're both unrepentant mass killers.

1point

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

Out of curiosity who did Eve mass kill? Vilanelle was an assassin and Eve an Intelligence agent.

0points

DannX68 2 years ago

Tori from Cobra Kai.

0points

fogharty 2 years ago

Here is an article from buzzfeed on how Jim from The Office is the worst. https://www.buzzfeed.com/hilarywardle/his-hair-is-pretty-s**t-as-well

0points

Consequential_mishaps 2 years ago

I'd say Leslie Knope from parks and rec definitely has to be on this list. She is selfish conceited corrupt and seems to be under the impression that USA is a kind of monarchy and she's the empress in waiting.

-1point

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Casey McAlister 2 years ago

42points

BasedWang12.3 2 years ago

THAAAAAANK YOUUU

13points

Legoinsinööri 2 years ago

8points

LilliVB 2 years ago

1point

Elio 2 years ago

Thank you.

1point

tuzdayschild 2 years ago

It's possible to like a great villain without wanting to be that villain. How interesting woud the story be without them. It's not take serious.

15points

René Studer 2 years ago

This whole post pissed me off. It seemed to imply that liking a character is the same thing as agreeing with a characters actions. This is why we can’t have good movies anymore.

10points

Benita Valdez 2 years ago

4points

BravePanda 2 years ago (edited)

10points

Bernd Herbert 2 years ago

Darth Vader should be on there. A mass-murdering villain which has, including his army of Stromtroopers, become a poculture idol. That still seems pretty strange to me

7points

BobTDG 2 years ago

Because he's also the good guy, a whiny little s**t who was manipulated.

4points

Supernatural fan666 2 years ago

Chuck from supernatural is not here ._.

4points

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

He's God, you may as well put Lucifer on here too lol

1point

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

This is just a personal list of Fictional 'people' the author doesn't like ... it's not the opinion of the masses, so don't take it seriously :)

4points

BasedWang12.3 2 years ago

I had to stop reading this..... bruh they are FICTIONAL CHARACTERS. chill the F out

4points

MimSorensson 2 years ago (edited)

0points

Leo Domitrix 2 years ago

I'd add Batman. Vigilante weirdo stalking the buildings of Gotham... Ew. See: Gabriel Iglesias on this one. @ 1: 15 onward. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-DfqkT76ag

4points

Q B F T 2 years ago

Gotham could probably do with its resident billionaire investing more in charitable organisations and less in techno gadgets to support his sadist habit of beating up mentally ill poor people

3points

ben woskje 2 years ago

God doesn't rate a mention on this list ? The most evil, sick, morally depraved fictional character of them all that is idolised by literally billions of equally evil people... ?

4points

Rachel Reynolds 2 years ago

2points

Carrie B 2 years ago

I can't believe no one said Tony Soprano.

3points

Marette 2 years ago

Frank Barone from Everybody Loves Raymond. Aggressive, homophobic bully who verbally abused his family & yet somehow got laughs. I cringe when I see him in this show.

2points

DC 2 years ago (edited)

2points

WonderWoman 2 years ago

Elliot Stabler from Law & Order SVU - what an out of control cop.

2points

Huddo's sister 2 years ago

I'd say Heathcliff and Kathy from Wuthering Heights. That was not a romance but an example of how two people can give in to a toxic relationship.

1point

Lara Verne 2 years ago

Any villainous "hot" person who uses their sad past as justification to f**k everything up.

1point

Asriel Dreemurr 2 years ago

1point

Becky Samuel 2 years ago

I'll probably get shot down in flames here (again), but Vilanelle and Eve. All I see are articles going "Oh boo-hoo they didn't get their happy ending" when they're both unrepentant mass killers.

1point

Deborah Harris 2 years ago

Out of curiosity who did Eve mass kill? Vilanelle was an assassin and Eve an Intelligence agent.

0points