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Gender Eligibility Questions Loom As Angela Carini Quits Against Imane Khelif In 46 Seconds
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Gender Eligibility Questions Loom As Angela Carini Quits Against Imane Khelif In 46 Seconds

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A controversial women’s Olympic boxing match ended in a devastating fashion on August 1, 2024, after Algeria’s Imane Khelif dealt a blow that dealt significant damage to the nose of her opponent, causing her to call off the match after just 46 seconds.

Highlights
  • Angela Carini quits match after Imane Khelif's blow severely injures her nose in 46 seconds.
  • Khelif, disqualified in 2023 for having XY chromosomes, was allowed to compete under IOC laws.
  • The match sparked heated social media debates on gender eligibility in sports.

Algerian Imane Khelif’s bout in the women’s welterweight category against Angela Carini was the subject of as much anticipation as it was controversy.  The Algerian athlete was actually born female, with the presence of XY chromosomes in her testing being the subject of other conditions. She is legally considered a woman and has always competed in women’s categories.

The 2024 Paris Olympics decided not to follow these measures, and Khelif was ruled eligible under International Olympic Committee laws.

“I couldn’t fight anymore,” Angela Carini said in a post-match interview. “I put an end to the match because after the second blow, after years of experience in the ring and a life of fighting, I felt a strong pain in my nose.”

The match between Algeria’s Imane Khelif and Italy’s Angela Carini ended after 46 seconds when the latter quit after having her nose severely injured

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Image credits: Richard Pelham/Getty

Despite her devastating loss and the controversial nature of the match, Carini made no mention of the controversy surrounding her opponent, instead focusing on her own experience and training.

“For me, it’s not a defeat. For me, when you climb those ropes, you’re already a warrior, you’re already a winner,” the boxer said.

“Regardless of everything it’s okay, fine like this. I didn’t lose tonight … I only did my job as a fighter. I got in the ring and I fought. I didn’t make it. I’m coming out with my head held high and with a broken heart.”

Carini refused to comment when asked about the particularities of her opponent. “I am someone who doesn’t judge anyone. I am not here to give judgements,” she replied, and she stated that she wishes her opponent to be happy and to “carry on until the end.”

Image credits: Richard Pelham/Getty

The athlete then focused on her own performance, blaming the outcome on her shortcomings instead while tears fell from her eyes. “I have always honored my country with loyalty. This time I didn’t succeed because I couldn’t fight anymore.”

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Her boxing coach, Emanuele Renzini, stated that Carini was given the option to back out of the bout prior to the devastating match. “I asked her, ‘Angela, if you don’t want to go up, let’s not go,'” Renzini said. “But she told me no, ‘This is my Olympics, I struggled to be here, I want to fight for my medal.'”

“I supported her. I didn’t imagine such an outcome,” the coach stated.

The controversial ruling by the International Olympic Committee drew criticism from detractors online prior to the bout, with Harry Potter author J.K Rowling among them

Image credits: Richard Pelham/Getty

The decision made by the International Olympic Committee to ignore IDF standards and allow previously disqualified athletes to compete in women’s boxing drew criticism from a variety of public figures.

J.K Rowling, the author of the Harry Potter series of books, has been a consistent detractor of issues related to the transgender community and made public her concern on X.

“What will it take to end this insanity? A  female boxer left with life-altering injuries? A female boxer killed?” she wrote.

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Following the bout between Khelif and Carini, Rowling followed up with another comment.

“A young female boxer has just had everything she’s worked and trained for snatched away because you allowed a male to get in the ring with her. You’re a disgrace, your ‘safeguarding’ is a joke and #Paris24 will be forever tarnished by the brutal injustice done to Carini.”

Carini would later reveal in an interview with the BBC that she made the decision to quit in fear of her long-term health being affected, but she recognized the value of the match. “It could have been the match of a lifetime, but I had to preserve my life as well in that moment.”

Organizers of the event stood firm behind their resolution, assuring viewers that no unfair advantages were granted to either competitor

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Authorities defended their decision, arguing that all athletes are competing under the same conditions.

“What I would say is that this involves real people and we are talking about real people’s lives here,” IOC Spokesperson Mark Adams said to Reuters.

“They have competed and they continue to compete in the women’s competition. They have lost and they have won against other women over the years.”

On the flip side, Italy’s Prime Minister Giorgia Meloni came to Carini’s defense and stated that the fight constituted a safety concern and was an affront to women’s rights.

“I think that athletes who have male genetic characteristics should not be admitted to women’s competitions,” Meloni said.

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“And not because you want to discriminate against someone, but to protect the right of female athletes to be able to compete on equal terms and, from my point of view, it was not an even contest.”

The match sparked heated discussion on social media, with many bewildered at the decision of the Paris Olympics to permit the match, while others reflected on the complexities of gender in sports

Image credits: Olympic Games Paris 2024

Netizens were shocked by the sudden finish to the bout, with many being appalled by the decision made to allow Khelif to compete.

“It should’ve never been allowed. Where is the boxing governing body? This is the new normal now just so the cheaters can win all the medals at the cost of someone’s life,” complained one viewer.

“It is undeniably unfair for women, who have dedicated their entire lives to perfecting their craft, to be faced with such challenges in what should be a fair and equitable competition,” argued another.

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Image credits: Olympic Games Paris 2024

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Some readers stood in support of the athlete and shared in her victory.

“Just accept the fact that Imane is a professional and that she deserves the glory,” stated one fan, adding Algerian flags to their comment.

On Reddit, some users argued that the Algerian athlete was actually born female, with the presence of XY chromosomes in her testing being the subject of other conditions.

“Imane Khelif is a cisgendered woman who passed all of the required testing to prove that identity and compete at this level. She has previously competed without issue,” argued one user, pointing to her long competing career.

“And the other women who beat Khelif in previous tournaments are obviously super human,” replied another sarcastically.

The next women’s boxing division match involving a previously disqualified athlete over gender concerns will take place on August 2, 2024, between featherweights Lin Yu Ting and Sitora Turdibekova.

It’s important to note that neither Khelif nor Lin have ever identified as men, as transgender, or as intersex, referring to themselves only as women.

The match continued to motivate heated debates around the topic

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Donkey boi
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean... She's not even trans! So, she's got a genetic anomaly that may or may not improve her chances. Are we going to call all genetic anomalies unfair? Michael Phelps has a genetic anomaly that allows his ankles to bend a lot further than normal, should he have been banned? Central and Eastern African long distance runners have reduced lactic acid accumulation and increased oxidative enzyme activity? Shall we ban the Kenyans? And here I thought that the idea of sport was to exploit any advantage you have in order to win. IDK, maybe I've not read enough into it.

LandAhoy (they/them)
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3 months ago

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But, when her genetic anomaly is that she is, unbeknownst to her, biologically male, we technically have a separate category for those people. If roughly half of the population have an ankle bending trait, then I'm sure sport would be categorised into ankle benders and non ankle benders. As it's just Michael Phelps, there can't be a category just for him. However in her case, she didn't go through male puberty so would have a massive disadvantage if competing against men. Perhaps there could be an intersex category, there'll only be 2 boxers in the category mind

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Steven McDonald
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a horrible article. Reading this, you would think that this was about trans rights when in reality Imane Khelif was born female and competed as a woman, which is what the anti-trans crowd keeps saying they want

TheReader19
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry to disagree; and I don't care how many down votes I get. Being born with female genitals doesn't necessarily mean you are a female. Your dna and chromosomes are a determining factor as well. This issue arose previously with the South African runner (please excuse me for forgetting her name). Fighting someone who is genetically bigger, stronger, has a longer arm reach than you isn't a fair fight; one day a woman will be killed and all hell will break loose.

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gosh, all these comments up there are euqally awful as Rowling‘s. She is not a man! And it’s not like she‘s winning 100% of her fights, far from it. She was just better, faster, stronger then her recent opponent. That’s sports

Hoban Michelle
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's a woman with too much testosterone in her blood. Not trans. Never male. She paid her own way and had to travel to a different village to train. Sold scrap metal on the street to have bus fare and money for training because her dad didn't believe that women should box. She is a woman. About one in 1000 women teSt with extra testosterone. She worked her a*s off to get to the Olympics and doesn't deserve any of the treatment she's getting.

Michele Evans
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with you. I would also like to add testing is never 100% accurate! I've worked in a lab, have seen the conditions & also-the mistakes! I was born female, am female, gave birth to 2 children (without any scientific intervention) & was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, taking meds. I get bloodwork monthly & the lab work is not consistent & last month my testosterone was OFF the CHARTS, so high and it was either due to lab error (current labs normal again) or from taking OTC supplements. I feel fight was fair-win some, lose some.

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fuxk JK rowling for spreading her b******t and disinformation. Imane isn't even Trans. (you cannot change your legal gender in Algeria, after all) She has Hyperandrogeny, something she was BORN with, she's a cis woman, it's just an incredibly unfortunate situation, no one knew for sure whether or not she would have an advantage other other female athletes due to her condition. And now one poor woman had to forfeit a match, after working so hard to make it to the Olympics, and another is receiving a barrage of hate and accusations. This is purely down to a wrong decision made by the olympic comittee, it's NOT the athletes fault.

BrunoVI
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has the opposite of hyperandrogeny. She was born XY, but with a hormone imbalance which resulted in female primary sexual characteristics. So her parents raised her as a female, despite being phenotypically male.

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Magazine
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm Italian. Carini decided to quit. Khelif is not a man and never has been. She's not trans. All this thing has been pumped up by the political right in Italy to go against trans rights. But it has nothing to do with being trans.

La Lucy
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Several of the comments miss the point. She was not allowed to compete in multiple other competitions, including UBA championship, durable to existence of XY chromosomes. As such, genetically not a female. Also refused to take testosterone tests that all others took. Regardless of presenting gender, the XY chromosomes and testosterone levels provide additional strength that XX only chromosomes don't have. It is physically dangerous and could be deadly for opponents.

Virgin Panda
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on you BP!!! Stop stirring the anti-trans movement when you know perfectly well she was born a woman!!! Publishing this article has me so disappointed in you!!!! 😡

Stephen Lyford
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many bigots revealing themselves. Both boxers were born female. The one boxer is not transgender.

Ash
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Could everybody please just stop listening to any thing JK Rowling says and quit giving her a platform? She is not a gender studies expert just because she's famous for something else and has a lot of very loud opinions.

LokisLilButterknife
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you, Ash. This is the sanest comment on this thread. Nice to know that there's readers on this site that aren't transphobic.

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Kurt Schilling
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A couple of things. 1) the Italian boxer got smacked really, really hare in the bezzer (nose) and that really, really hurts. 2) the pervious DQ was NEVER authenticated by the f****n' Russians so the BS about her gender is patently BS.

Westy
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What amazes me is the number of people who seem to think labeling someone 'transphobic' or a 'hater' wins the argument. It doesn't. The issue is here whether the existence of XY chromosomes or unusual levels of testosterone gives someone an unfair physical advantage. The issue isn't intent, like it is in cases of blood doping (for example), it's genetic/physiological fairness. If it should be about how a person identifies - if that's what people really believe - there's an easy way to address that: Boxing is boxing, rugby is rugby and the 100-meter dash is the 100-meter dash. Not Men's 100 meters and Women's 100 meters, just 100 meters. No gender identity or classification required. Let the fastest person win. (The net result of those competitions would clearly illustrate why Mens and Womens categories existed in the first place.)

Bill Wyrebek
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The IOC is a sexist, corrupt body of men AND women that have no moral compass except where bribes and kickbacks are given and received. This has been exposed and proven time and again. However, whenever the investigation begins to expose the highest levels of administration and leadership, they find a scapegoat and deflect the investigation. I would say shame on the IOC, but they have no shame..

Guess Undheit
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imane Khelif is a cisgender woman, born cisgender and raised cisgender. SHE. IS. NOT. A. MAN. and never was. But why let let facts get in the way of rabid rightwing hate? And it's not just bigots objecting to her NATURAL advantage, it's also the racism: ALWAYS the people questioned for natural advantages come from non-white countries. If she were white, a yank, and her name was Amanda California, nobody would be saying a word.

Whitefox
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Technically No, they have XY Chromosome. Its quite complicated that they may have been raised as a CIS woman, but genetically they are male. Sometimes at birth genitalia may be ambiguous so a decision is made. That decision can really wreak havoc with someone's life.

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Melia O'Dell
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3 months ago

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patrick dehertogh
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I heard this storey a different way. Prior to this article. But if I understand correctly a female with female parts but a male chromosome. Beat another girl . I confused. Both sides tell lies. But I against born male transformation to female is not right. Against women. Where all the females becoming male who are beating c**p out of men. Untill that happens. I'll change my mind

Viki Anderson
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imane Khelif She lost at the 2020 Olympics and no one questioned her gender. There is a trend that disproportionately questions those of color (especially when they excel) of cheating. Her body is what it is. She is naturally a stronger fighter…now. She trained for another 4 years. She did not cheat. This is how she was born. “Khelif made her debut on the world amateur stage at 19. She came 17th at the 2018 World Championships and 19th in the 2019 Women’s World Boxing Championships. At the 2020 Olympics, Khelif made it to the quarterfinals before losing to Ireland’s Kellie Harrington.” - Joe Brennan https://en.as.com/olympic_games/whats-imane-khelifs-boxing-record-has-she-lost-to-any-other-women-n/

Dave Read
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What color? And the left-boob grab was a delightfully unmasculine touch. Ha.

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Spencer's slave no longer
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do you remember, not so long ago, when this question of biological males competing against biological males in sport, that those decions are best made by that sport's governing body? Well, boxing's governing did exactly that in 2023 when this Algerian boxer failed the biological DNA test, more than once, and was banned from competing against biological females. The IOC overrode that decision and allowed the Algerian boxer to compete in women's boxing. The same IOC that allowed a peadophile rapist to also compete in the games.

Magazine
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So according to your logic, anybody who has a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to compete? What if I shoplifted when I was 16? What if I robbed my company for 1 million dollars? What if I was in a fight out of a pub that ended in someone's death? I should not compete in the Olympics for this? Are the Olympics the criminal court of justice?

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortuantely for your definition, nature isn't that simple and we have to deal with the reality of people inbetween. The reality is, there are Intersex people, and trying to force them into outdated defintions cannot be the way

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tony edwards
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In 2014, Tamikka Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head at the hands of her transgender, post-op opponent, Fallon Fox during their UFC bout; if you have the stomach, type those names into YouTube and give it a look-see. I, for one, am amazed that the powers that be would allow these current shenanigans to happen, even after that UFC bout in 2014! A small but noticeable number of men die every year in boxing matches. When these mentally unstable folks eventually kill a woman in the ring, I wonder how many folks will be willing to support such a heinous practice of cruelty and temerity?

Camilah Yon
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

exactly this... just because the italian couldn't take the punch, is no reason to be bullying poor Imane. South Africa went through similar with Castor and we supported her throught it all. shame on everyone shaming this woman. go and fight with trans men who don't even make the effort to become "cis" but are trying to beat us.

Pursuing Peonies
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The poll is purposely running itself skewed as well (click on one thing it pops up as you clicked on something else)

LokisLilButterknife
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a lot of transphobes creeping out of the woodwork in this thread. They seem to be really obsessed with people's genitalia. I love how these transphobes all seem to have a degree in sports medicine and anatomy when it comes to whether trans people can participate. Boo freaking hoo, transphobes. You couldn't give a s**t about women in sports. You're just terrified of trans people-admit it. I find it ironic that so many transphobes in this thread are complaining when Imane is a WOMAN. Also, stop giving that idiotic TERF a platform, BoredPanda. It's pretty pitiful that you would even include a quote from her.

Roland Nijveld
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have issues... Get better comprehensive reading skills and you'll learn most here aren't transphobic.

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JK Rowling is just awful. I have no idea what happened to her, but is it with spewing that much hate?

BrunoVI
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was raped in the women's room by someone identifying as female but having male body parts including genitalia and musculature.

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Ja R
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

your no assigned gender at birth your DNA determines .and a male growing up to adulthood has had the muscle building male hormones. so even blocker and female shots don't change the 18+ yrs he's had the advantage. and even steroids banned for the possible cancer and other bad effects will not make up for natures . and this must stop before a real woman is seriously disabled or killed by one of theres fakes

Linda Thorsen
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He was raised as a girl because it looked like he had female genital parts. That does not make him a female. Biologically he is a man with hidden testicles. He has XY chromosomes and a testosterone level higher than a biological woman. So although he defines himself as a woman - which is his right - he is still a biological male and should not compete against biological females.

somnomania (she/her, queer)
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SHE is biologically female, or intersex, if one wants to split hairs about it. she is biologically female but has the presence of XY chromosomes; this does not mean she is fully XY.

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Livingwithcfs
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

J. K. Rowings needs her mouth taped shut because her comments are not helpful in any form,

LokisLilButterknife
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh bless my heart, the amount of transphobes on this thread is appalling. I love how I’m getting downvoted for stating a fact as a prior competitive martial artist that in martial arts like kendo men and women compete against each other . Screw this hate filled site.

Alex hayes
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Idk I'm a kickboxer, I fought with male counterparts, I kinda had to since I was the only woman. It always seemed fair to me as long as my opponent wasnt much bigger than me

Eric Lafleur
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can I identify as disabled so I can win against real special Olympians since I suck too much at sports against my own peers? Let men compete against men and women against women. Don't forkin' mix genders, especially when there's that much disadvantage. Women already have to work extra to prove they belong, don't let cheaters put them down because they can't compete against their own gender.

Bernd Herbert
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, you can't "disabled" is not a thing of identity. and also, this specific athelte has female genetalia, was raised as a girl and she feels like a woman herself. And you want herto be man. Why? How dare you?

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Alethea Fletcher
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Men and women are different. The reasons for male/female sports are because of that. It's a gross injustice to all female sportswoman to be placed against a male cos playing as a 'woman'.

Michael Largey
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think beating someone up, in whatever form, should be honored as an Olympic sport. Entirely against the spirit of the games.

Glasofruix
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3 months ago

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You can also see him, sorry, "her" adjusting her balls after the punch in the video. Trully an astonishing and historical moment for women's sports... Who the f**k authorized this?

maswartz
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3 months ago

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So you're just giving bigots a megaphone now?

Rosie Red
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about being a bigot. Google anatomy. There's a difference in musculature, start there.

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Joe M
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What happened to inclusion and all the. BS the LGQBT promotes out of a sudden people are outraged at Biology. a train transman will destroy any women anytime any place 9 out of 10 times.

Steven McDonald
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This fight had nothing to do with trans rights. While BP used some creative wording for clickbait, both fighters were born women. You can look it up

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Donkey boi
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean... She's not even trans! So, she's got a genetic anomaly that may or may not improve her chances. Are we going to call all genetic anomalies unfair? Michael Phelps has a genetic anomaly that allows his ankles to bend a lot further than normal, should he have been banned? Central and Eastern African long distance runners have reduced lactic acid accumulation and increased oxidative enzyme activity? Shall we ban the Kenyans? And here I thought that the idea of sport was to exploit any advantage you have in order to win. IDK, maybe I've not read enough into it.

LandAhoy (they/them)
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But, when her genetic anomaly is that she is, unbeknownst to her, biologically male, we technically have a separate category for those people. If roughly half of the population have an ankle bending trait, then I'm sure sport would be categorised into ankle benders and non ankle benders. As it's just Michael Phelps, there can't be a category just for him. However in her case, she didn't go through male puberty so would have a massive disadvantage if competing against men. Perhaps there could be an intersex category, there'll only be 2 boxers in the category mind

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Steven McDonald
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is a horrible article. Reading this, you would think that this was about trans rights when in reality Imane Khelif was born female and competed as a woman, which is what the anti-trans crowd keeps saying they want

TheReader19
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry to disagree; and I don't care how many down votes I get. Being born with female genitals doesn't necessarily mean you are a female. Your dna and chromosomes are a determining factor as well. This issue arose previously with the South African runner (please excuse me for forgetting her name). Fighting someone who is genetically bigger, stronger, has a longer arm reach than you isn't a fair fight; one day a woman will be killed and all hell will break loose.

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Gosh, all these comments up there are euqally awful as Rowling‘s. She is not a man! And it’s not like she‘s winning 100% of her fights, far from it. She was just better, faster, stronger then her recent opponent. That’s sports

Hoban Michelle
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's a woman with too much testosterone in her blood. Not trans. Never male. She paid her own way and had to travel to a different village to train. Sold scrap metal on the street to have bus fare and money for training because her dad didn't believe that women should box. She is a woman. About one in 1000 women teSt with extra testosterone. She worked her a*s off to get to the Olympics and doesn't deserve any of the treatment she's getting.

Michele Evans
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree with you. I would also like to add testing is never 100% accurate! I've worked in a lab, have seen the conditions & also-the mistakes! I was born female, am female, gave birth to 2 children (without any scientific intervention) & was diagnosed with hypothyroidism, taking meds. I get bloodwork monthly & the lab work is not consistent & last month my testosterone was OFF the CHARTS, so high and it was either due to lab error (current labs normal again) or from taking OTC supplements. I feel fight was fair-win some, lose some.

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Roan The Demon Kitty
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Fuxk JK rowling for spreading her b******t and disinformation. Imane isn't even Trans. (you cannot change your legal gender in Algeria, after all) She has Hyperandrogeny, something she was BORN with, she's a cis woman, it's just an incredibly unfortunate situation, no one knew for sure whether or not she would have an advantage other other female athletes due to her condition. And now one poor woman had to forfeit a match, after working so hard to make it to the Olympics, and another is receiving a barrage of hate and accusations. This is purely down to a wrong decision made by the olympic comittee, it's NOT the athletes fault.

BrunoVI
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She has the opposite of hyperandrogeny. She was born XY, but with a hormone imbalance which resulted in female primary sexual characteristics. So her parents raised her as a female, despite being phenotypically male.

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Magazine
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm Italian. Carini decided to quit. Khelif is not a man and never has been. She's not trans. All this thing has been pumped up by the political right in Italy to go against trans rights. But it has nothing to do with being trans.

La Lucy
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Several of the comments miss the point. She was not allowed to compete in multiple other competitions, including UBA championship, durable to existence of XY chromosomes. As such, genetically not a female. Also refused to take testosterone tests that all others took. Regardless of presenting gender, the XY chromosomes and testosterone levels provide additional strength that XX only chromosomes don't have. It is physically dangerous and could be deadly for opponents.

Virgin Panda
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on you BP!!! Stop stirring the anti-trans movement when you know perfectly well she was born a woman!!! Publishing this article has me so disappointed in you!!!! 😡

Stephen Lyford
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So many bigots revealing themselves. Both boxers were born female. The one boxer is not transgender.

Ash
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Could everybody please just stop listening to any thing JK Rowling says and quit giving her a platform? She is not a gender studies expert just because she's famous for something else and has a lot of very loud opinions.

LokisLilButterknife
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Thank you, Ash. This is the sanest comment on this thread. Nice to know that there's readers on this site that aren't transphobic.

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Kurt Schilling
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A couple of things. 1) the Italian boxer got smacked really, really hare in the bezzer (nose) and that really, really hurts. 2) the pervious DQ was NEVER authenticated by the f****n' Russians so the BS about her gender is patently BS.

Westy
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What amazes me is the number of people who seem to think labeling someone 'transphobic' or a 'hater' wins the argument. It doesn't. The issue is here whether the existence of XY chromosomes or unusual levels of testosterone gives someone an unfair physical advantage. The issue isn't intent, like it is in cases of blood doping (for example), it's genetic/physiological fairness. If it should be about how a person identifies - if that's what people really believe - there's an easy way to address that: Boxing is boxing, rugby is rugby and the 100-meter dash is the 100-meter dash. Not Men's 100 meters and Women's 100 meters, just 100 meters. No gender identity or classification required. Let the fastest person win. (The net result of those competitions would clearly illustrate why Mens and Womens categories existed in the first place.)

Bill Wyrebek
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The IOC is a sexist, corrupt body of men AND women that have no moral compass except where bribes and kickbacks are given and received. This has been exposed and proven time and again. However, whenever the investigation begins to expose the highest levels of administration and leadership, they find a scapegoat and deflect the investigation. I would say shame on the IOC, but they have no shame..

Guess Undheit
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imane Khelif is a cisgender woman, born cisgender and raised cisgender. SHE. IS. NOT. A. MAN. and never was. But why let let facts get in the way of rabid rightwing hate? And it's not just bigots objecting to her NATURAL advantage, it's also the racism: ALWAYS the people questioned for natural advantages come from non-white countries. If she were white, a yank, and her name was Amanda California, nobody would be saying a word.

Whitefox
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Technically No, they have XY Chromosome. Its quite complicated that they may have been raised as a CIS woman, but genetically they are male. Sometimes at birth genitalia may be ambiguous so a decision is made. That decision can really wreak havoc with someone's life.

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3 months ago

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patrick dehertogh
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I heard this storey a different way. Prior to this article. But if I understand correctly a female with female parts but a male chromosome. Beat another girl . I confused. Both sides tell lies. But I against born male transformation to female is not right. Against women. Where all the females becoming male who are beating c**p out of men. Untill that happens. I'll change my mind

Viki Anderson
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Imane Khelif She lost at the 2020 Olympics and no one questioned her gender. There is a trend that disproportionately questions those of color (especially when they excel) of cheating. Her body is what it is. She is naturally a stronger fighter…now. She trained for another 4 years. She did not cheat. This is how she was born. “Khelif made her debut on the world amateur stage at 19. She came 17th at the 2018 World Championships and 19th in the 2019 Women’s World Boxing Championships. At the 2020 Olympics, Khelif made it to the quarterfinals before losing to Ireland’s Kellie Harrington.” - Joe Brennan https://en.as.com/olympic_games/whats-imane-khelifs-boxing-record-has-she-lost-to-any-other-women-n/

Dave Read
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What color? And the left-boob grab was a delightfully unmasculine touch. Ha.

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Spencer's slave no longer
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do you remember, not so long ago, when this question of biological males competing against biological males in sport, that those decions are best made by that sport's governing body? Well, boxing's governing did exactly that in 2023 when this Algerian boxer failed the biological DNA test, more than once, and was banned from competing against biological females. The IOC overrode that decision and allowed the Algerian boxer to compete in women's boxing. The same IOC that allowed a peadophile rapist to also compete in the games.

Magazine
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So according to your logic, anybody who has a criminal record shouldn't be allowed to compete? What if I shoplifted when I was 16? What if I robbed my company for 1 million dollars? What if I was in a fight out of a pub that ended in someone's death? I should not compete in the Olympics for this? Are the Olympics the criminal court of justice?

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Unfortuantely for your definition, nature isn't that simple and we have to deal with the reality of people inbetween. The reality is, there are Intersex people, and trying to force them into outdated defintions cannot be the way

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tony edwards
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In 2014, Tamikka Brents suffered a concussion, an orbital bone fracture, and seven staples to the head at the hands of her transgender, post-op opponent, Fallon Fox during their UFC bout; if you have the stomach, type those names into YouTube and give it a look-see. I, for one, am amazed that the powers that be would allow these current shenanigans to happen, even after that UFC bout in 2014! A small but noticeable number of men die every year in boxing matches. When these mentally unstable folks eventually kill a woman in the ring, I wonder how many folks will be willing to support such a heinous practice of cruelty and temerity?

Camilah Yon
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

exactly this... just because the italian couldn't take the punch, is no reason to be bullying poor Imane. South Africa went through similar with Castor and we supported her throught it all. shame on everyone shaming this woman. go and fight with trans men who don't even make the effort to become "cis" but are trying to beat us.

Pursuing Peonies
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The poll is purposely running itself skewed as well (click on one thing it pops up as you clicked on something else)

LokisLilButterknife
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There's a lot of transphobes creeping out of the woodwork in this thread. They seem to be really obsessed with people's genitalia. I love how these transphobes all seem to have a degree in sports medicine and anatomy when it comes to whether trans people can participate. Boo freaking hoo, transphobes. You couldn't give a s**t about women in sports. You're just terrified of trans people-admit it. I find it ironic that so many transphobes in this thread are complaining when Imane is a WOMAN. Also, stop giving that idiotic TERF a platform, BoredPanda. It's pretty pitiful that you would even include a quote from her.

Roland Nijveld
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You have issues... Get better comprehensive reading skills and you'll learn most here aren't transphobic.

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Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JK Rowling is just awful. I have no idea what happened to her, but is it with spewing that much hate?

BrunoVI
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She was raped in the women's room by someone identifying as female but having male body parts including genitalia and musculature.

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Ja R
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

your no assigned gender at birth your DNA determines .and a male growing up to adulthood has had the muscle building male hormones. so even blocker and female shots don't change the 18+ yrs he's had the advantage. and even steroids banned for the possible cancer and other bad effects will not make up for natures . and this must stop before a real woman is seriously disabled or killed by one of theres fakes

Linda Thorsen
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He was raised as a girl because it looked like he had female genital parts. That does not make him a female. Biologically he is a man with hidden testicles. He has XY chromosomes and a testosterone level higher than a biological woman. So although he defines himself as a woman - which is his right - he is still a biological male and should not compete against biological females.

somnomania (she/her, queer)
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

SHE is biologically female, or intersex, if one wants to split hairs about it. she is biologically female but has the presence of XY chromosomes; this does not mean she is fully XY.

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Livingwithcfs
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

J. K. Rowings needs her mouth taped shut because her comments are not helpful in any form,

LokisLilButterknife
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh bless my heart, the amount of transphobes on this thread is appalling. I love how I’m getting downvoted for stating a fact as a prior competitive martial artist that in martial arts like kendo men and women compete against each other . Screw this hate filled site.

Alex hayes
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Idk I'm a kickboxer, I fought with male counterparts, I kinda had to since I was the only woman. It always seemed fair to me as long as my opponent wasnt much bigger than me

Eric Lafleur
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Can I identify as disabled so I can win against real special Olympians since I suck too much at sports against my own peers? Let men compete against men and women against women. Don't forkin' mix genders, especially when there's that much disadvantage. Women already have to work extra to prove they belong, don't let cheaters put them down because they can't compete against their own gender.

Bernd Herbert
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, you can't "disabled" is not a thing of identity. and also, this specific athelte has female genetalia, was raised as a girl and she feels like a woman herself. And you want herto be man. Why? How dare you?

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Alethea Fletcher
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Men and women are different. The reasons for male/female sports are because of that. It's a gross injustice to all female sportswoman to be placed against a male cos playing as a 'woman'.

Michael Largey
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think beating someone up, in whatever form, should be honored as an Olympic sport. Entirely against the spirit of the games.

Glasofruix
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3 months ago

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You can also see him, sorry, "her" adjusting her balls after the punch in the video. Trully an astonishing and historical moment for women's sports... Who the f**k authorized this?

maswartz
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3 months ago

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So you're just giving bigots a megaphone now?

Rosie Red
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about being a bigot. Google anatomy. There's a difference in musculature, start there.

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Joe M
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What happened to inclusion and all the. BS the LGQBT promotes out of a sudden people are outraged at Biology. a train transman will destroy any women anytime any place 9 out of 10 times.

Steven McDonald
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This fight had nothing to do with trans rights. While BP used some creative wording for clickbait, both fighters were born women. You can look it up

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