I cannot stop myself from saying 'potato, pohtahtoe'.

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ABSTINENCE.

Abstinence only is like saying the solution to food poisoning is to only eat processed food instead of using gloves and washing your hands when cooking meats/vegetables.

No it’s saying don’t eat at all lol

Two very different example. Comparing something essential to comparing something that is done solely for pleasure or conception, of course, there are exceptions but not essential within this argument.

Just to sum up my very long comment, abstinence only education doesn't work, "pro-choice" is about educating individuals and letting them decide for themselves, rather than forcing others to do what you think is best. Statistically, abortion is not only very safe, but considerably safer for the mother than childbirth. The biggest part though, education is extremely important, and should be more commonplace.

@gimme that cash, you seem to be using being a medical student to make an "argument from authority", but you also stated in multiple comments that female medicine is not in your field. Now aside from that, specifying something that could happen when performed by an "inexperienced" doctor, also seems to be an attempt to mislead and make abortions sound worse than they are, especially since it is well known at this point that cold birth is considerably more dangerous than abortion. Statistically, abortion is not actually dangerous. While it is true that abstinence is a valid birth control method, it requires people to stay absent, which even in individuals who preach abstinence, is unreliable. The only accurate argument I've heard made by "pro-life" individuals is that abstinence is the only method of birth control that is 100% effective. Part of the reason "pro-choice" has so much more backing, would have to do with the fact that "pro-choice" being followed means better education, better access to experienced doctors, and does not impact the "pro-life" individuals, while "pro-life" wants abstinence only education (which has been clearly down to not work and only lead to a higher rate of STI transmission), they want to remove experienced doctors (also doesn't work and just increases the number of abortion deaths do to "home remedies" and back-alley abortions), and the success of "pro-life" affects themselves, as well as "pro-choice" individuals to a greater degree and in a negative way for both. Aside from that, sticking with sources and publications from major health organizations, research universities, and major peer-reviewed medical journals, using data in the USA, since that is where I live, the death rate of the mother from child birth is about 8.8 per 100,000 births, while with abortion, it is 0.6/100,000 abortions. The rate of complications in abortion are "2.1% (n = 1156) for medication abortion, 1.3% (n = 438) for first-trimester aspiration abortion, and 1.5% (n = 130) for second-trimester or later abortions.", but I was having trouble finding a clear rate of complications in childbirth. Here are the links as well.https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/22270271/ https://emedicine.medscape.com/article/795001-overview?form=fpf#a9 https://medlineplus.gov/childbirthproblems.html Btw, I'm a biologist, and an epidemiologist, so not an MD, but I know a bit about proper research, and epidemiology in humans and non-human animals. Yes, the specific numbers may vary based on location, but the safety of abortion tends to increase with better access to healthcare and knowledgeable practitioners, which tends to come from an increase in "pro-choice".

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I'm a medical student. Abstinence is a birth control method. Sexual reproduction in humans taught is secondary school. Can't remember which year. And just because you didn't say something didn't mean you didn't imply it. Abortions are dangerous and if done by inexperienced doctors, might cause the uterine lining to be damaged and for the woman to not be able to have children/have trouble conceiving. You also have to factor in the trauma that might come with abortion and the amount of therapy she need to have 3 fetuses aborted. I'm not pro-life or pro-choice. I think both are correct in some way but close minded people refuse to accept the fact that both sides are correct in some way.

Nowhere did I imply abortions were birth control. Also, I never said that “inexperienced” or unqualified doctors should perform them (hence mentioning SAFE, legal, and accessible abortions). I never said that abortion was the answer to this particular case either. My point was that even when people are being responsible and using contraception, unwanted pregnancies can occur-the hormonal birth control pill does “trick” the body into believing it’s already pregnant and that’s why it works. So for the same reason this woman got pregnant while already pregnant, people can get pregnant while on hormonal birth control. No form of birth control is 100%, even the most reliable forms used exactly as intended can fail and everyone should have the option to terminate an unwanted pregnancy if this happens to them. See? I mentioned abortion as a possible follow up to failed contraception, so I am clearly stating they are two different things with two different purposes.

As to “abstinence”- check in with men worldwide and see if they’re ok with the idea of only having sex when they’re intending to have a baby. Let me know how that goes.

There is not much of a reason to use birth control to have sexual intercourse during pregnancy because your menstrual cycle is stopped. And just because a doctor is qualified and have many years of experience does not mean accident do not happen. And I do know how contraceptive pill work. My point was that abortion should not be encouraged due to the mental trauma a woman would likely feel and they should be informed of the risks of abortions before abortion. My reason for saying so was because I went into a clinic with a friend that got pregnant and when she wasn't sure about keeping the child, the doctor encouraged her to do so without informing her about the effects of it. She went through with it and had to deal with years of trauma so when people throw around abortion like it is some sort of birth control method without side effects, it angers me to no end. I am really sorry for misunderstanding what you said, English is not my first language and I still have some trouble with comprehension.

If you are a medical student, understanding the changes of the female body during pregnancy is extremely important. However, I put this comment here to make sure people are getting accurate information, not to tell you that you are wrong, since while what you said is distinctly different, it was still close enough that I didn't have any issue, I just wanted to make sure people had accurate information, since incorrect information is why r/badwomensanatomy exists. Also, yes, you did say it wasn't your field. Unfortunately, if you are a medical student, it actually is included within your field and since it took very little looking for me to find the specifics, since I was only pretty sure the cervix didn't close, but I was aware I could be wrong, I made sure to check before commenting.

I have too much textbooks and notes to go through and I can't find my Secondary 3 and 4 textbooks on biology. It's been 5 years since I had a test on that topic and I never revised it after JC (about 5 years ago). My memory is cloudy on this topic.

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It's not my field so I might get some facts wrong and I did ay something along the lines of that so...

You tried to pull the medical student card to sound smart and then when you're proven wrong, you defend yourself by saying it isn't your specialty. Also forced birth/pregnancy causes trauma to the entire body so don't go around telling people that abortions are scary and dangerous. Like any medical procedure they carry risks, but fear tactics and trying to compromise with people that support removing women's bodily anatomy isn't right.

It IS not my specialty. That's why I said to take it with a grain of salt and consult an OBGYN or certified doctor because I may not be right. I did comment about the mucus on cervix to "close" the vagina (notice the quotation marks?) and if you read my original comment. Although I did not say it directly, I did heavily imply that the woman in the Tik Tok thought that the sperm cannot enter the uterus. I also did say the menstrual cycle is stopped which does mean ovulation stops and implantation would not occur. In the end, other than the last part in @RandomEpiBioPerson's comment, I said pretty much everything they said. SO there is nothing to be proven wrong here. I never said I supported forced birth or even said anything that says that forced birth is not traumatic. I am a woman myself. I did not say that abortions are dangerous. I only said it CAN be dangerous and it will be traumatic to most people who had to go through it. My original point was that abortions should not be encouraged but if the woman wants to go through with it, she should be educated on the risks but I don't think that was clear enough 😓. Again ,I do not support pro-life or pro-choice. I think both side of the argument is valid. Apparently some people wants to force others to take either side and think that the other side is always completely wrong.