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"The World Is Built For Men": Woman Gives 20 Examples That Show How Women Are Discriminated In Everyday Life Fitness monitors (like fitbits) often don't accurately count steps when women are walking strollers (or anybody, for that matter, women just do it more often).

allie_202_ , Lisa Report

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N G 3 years ago

They don't count steps if you walk with your hands in your pockets either. It's just not a very accurate device.

62points

#19

"The World Is Built For Men": Woman Gives 20 Examples That Show How Women Are Discriminated In Everyday Life Equipment at the gym - there's a lot of machines women can't use because they can't be adjusted to them properly.

Cece , Mark Bertulfo Report

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Donkey boi 3 years ago

I haven't been to the gym in 15yrs, but when I was last there all of the equipment was adjustable using 'pull-pins' and other easy adjustment methods. I would expect todays newer equipment to even more so.

23points

#20

"The World Is Built For Men": Woman Gives 20 Examples That Show How Women Are Discriminated In Everyday Life Keyboards/mouses are built with male sizes in mind, increasing rates of carpal tunnel/tendinitis in females.

Maz , Orin Ryan Report

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Night Owl 3 years ago

One of the things to keep in mind when looking for a new one - I have relatively small hands

29points

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

It's really good that there is increasing awareness of this. It wasn't done this way with ill intention, just with a lack of awareness. Medicine for ages has focused on and tested it's meds on young, slim, white, male patients as the standard patient because their test subjects were usually university students of exactly that description. We now see that this is harmful to women, children, older people (metabolism changes with age) and anyone who isn't slim or white (skin cancer comes to mind). Male engineers have built tools and cars and many other things from their own personal use experience, without thinking of the fact that people do come in all sizes and shapes. Children live in a world built for adults for exactly the same reason.

70points

Jon S. 3 years ago

This is the most sensible and useful comment I have seen on this page.

18points

fuggnuggins 3 years ago

I have rarely seen such a display of petty spitefulness in my entire life. What difference would any of these things make? None of these things favour any sex, and both sexes contribute to them. Evil male conspiracy against women. A list of 20 things that men AND women experience, that inhibit women. Yay for anti-sex-discrimination.

0points

mmornelas 3 years ago

Relax, a lot of stuff does not fit me well either (I'm with the patriarchal oppressors)

0points

Remi 3 years ago

With the medicine you've got a point, but everything else you've written is crazy talk. There are cars specifically built for woman, and tools and everything else.

0points

Pilot Chick 3 years ago

I’m surprised there was no mention of seatbelts. They are not designed for short people or anyone with boobs.

51points

Carmen Sandiego 3 years ago

Or pockets!

17points

Babsevs 3 years ago

Look at the book "Invisible Women". Loads in there on the automobile industry's failure to deal with the female body

3points

Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)

I’m 5’6”, but short waisted, so sit shorter than a longer waisted person of the same height. I have to use those seatbelt clips to readjust where they cross my torso, otherwise they would leave a suspicious-looking bright angry red “rope burn”-type mark on the side of my neck, or just out and out garrotte me in an accident.

2points

Leigh C. 3 years ago

I know seatbelts and the seat can be adjustable but when you're the passenger the correct position doesn't seem to jive with the drive nor anyone sitting in the back.

1point

Vicky Zar 3 years ago

Or pregnant women

1point

Donna Leske 3 years ago

Seatbelts! I'm not short (5' 9") or skinny but seatbelts usually ride directly across my neck. I push it down, moments later it's back up across my neck.

0points

Yettichild 3 years ago

I'm a woman, and yes, things are unfairly favorable for men, but this is just getting ridiculous. A lot of the things she mentions do come in smaller sizes, they are just a bit harder to find. I have ZERO problems finding tools that fit my hand. Now, it takes a while to find that one perfect tool, but it does for EVERYONE. The chair thing is a matter of height, not gender. Really short people AND really tall people of all orientations have a hard time finding things that fit them in a mass produced world.

47points

Martha Meyer 3 years ago

The problem is that women aren't "short people", we are just women. WE are half teh population and for us it's the normal size.

28points

Ashley Galyen 3 years ago (edited)

Some of it is ridiculous. I think a broader take on this is that if 50% of the user base for goods or services are female then if you are a woman, you shouldn't have to try harder to find it as you are the normal user. Healthcare and cars are good examples.

7points

Leo Domitrix 3 years ago

I'm a very tall woman, so there's frankly no problem for ME, but my female relatives tend to be petite, so they do have a lot of problems. And I support their right to have the same access to a safety grip as taller people.

2points

Cattress511 3 years ago

I have never seen tools designed for women outside of basic household tool sets that some times include a drill, and from what I can tell, the only thing that makes them for women is feminine color, pink. None of those are brand name, or at least not one I recognize. None of the reputable brands make multiple size tool grips for different size hands, and if there is a tool company making goods for women, they aren't sold in any of the mainstream home improvement stores. Of course I wouldn't doubt that any tools designed for women would be priced higher because women would "choose" to pay more for the specialized option (like they choose deodorant or razors made in scents or designs for them instead of the 'basic' men's), and there wouldn't be much competition because women aren't a very significant market share for this kind of product. We are there, and growing, but half the employees I encounter at Home Depot still look around me for my male chaperone before answering my questions.

2points

Ian Bartels 3 years ago

Thank you! This post is just looking for things to complain about.

1point

Lyone Fein 3 years ago

I would love to get some recommendations. I cannot find power tools small enough for my hands at all. Can you suggest a circular saw or other power saw that comes in a smaller size?

0points

Becky Samuel 3 years ago

'Allie' got all of her information from a single source - the book is called "Invisible Women" by Caroline Criado Perez. She has then regurgitated this information blindly without any evidence of critical thinking or further research to back anything up. Stealing another woman's content in this way without giving credit is unethical. (I kid you not, this content is just straight ripped-off from the book).

22points

Kamila Podolak 3 years ago

I don't like it either. The topic is huge and really important, IMHO everyone should read the "Invisible Women". But what has been done here is horrible.

2points

Shelp 3 years ago

This article is ridiculous. Its main and only argument seems to be "I can't find a smaller size of a given object —> thus they must have been built for 6ft tall men —> misogyny".

19points

Seabeast 3 years ago

Well, how do you explain it then? Sheer ignorance? Lazy thinking?

0points

nicholas nolan 3 years ago

Outrage bait and we all got sucked into it. Again. Goddamnit.

13points

Bepina 3 years ago

I'm a tall woman and a lot of this is BS because I've been struggling with way too low kitchen counters, ironing boards, too short broom sticks, bag handles etc for my whole life. They're all designed for a not so tall women and if you are even a bit above the average, it's way too small/short.

10points

Andy 3 years ago

Some of these things are true, however a lot are just a case of you can't design something that will suit everyone. Both men and women come in a veriaty of heights and sizes, and you can't design for everyone. For example, I'm over 6ft and one of the problems I find is kitchen counters are designed too low for me, leading to having to stoop and getting back pain quiet quickly. Head rests in cars and trains also dig into the back of my head a lot of the time because they are not high enough. Just things you have to deal with because the world can't be exactly right for everyone

8points

Patty O'Heater 3 years ago

There are many things that work for women that do not work for men. Prime example: five times more is spent on breast cancer research than prostrate cancer research while more people (men) die of prostrate cancer than people (women) die of breast cancer. And while I'm at it, I hate the term Cis men!

5points

Fish Boden 3 years ago

"And while I'm at it, I hate the term Cis men!" Do you know what it means or why it's a relevant term? What's to hate, for Pete's sake?

6points

Brendan 3 years ago (edited)

While I agree that many things are designed for male specifications (e.g. many professional female football players don't get their own kits, and instead get large hand-me-downs from the male players), this article is a bit weak. There isn't much evidence to back it up, and some of it is based on opinions or on experiences by only a few people. I don't know how much of it to believe.

5points

Babsevs 3 years ago

Please refer to "Invisible Women" book by Caroline Criado Perez... Covers all this and more

5points

Moo Moo Futch 3 years ago

POCKETS.

4points

Alicia OGar 3 years ago (edited)

I am a woman an I have NEVER had any problems with the things said here. Masks? Tools? There are sizes, grow up. Most female bathrooms have more stalls and still there are women who take forever to pee when It should be 2 mins, but they spend forever checking themselves on the mirror. Pay more attention to more importante things instead of this whining because you are making women look stupid

4points

elStiJneriNO 3 years ago

Seems like the world is built for big people rather than small. Which makes more Sense than the other way around. If Something big fits, something small probably will fit too. But i don't get the part why it's specially for cis men. Are gay men smaller on average?

4points

Evil Little Thing 3 years ago

Small people DON'T actually fit into places built for big people, which you already know, because it's unsafe for children to ride in the front seat of cars. Airbag deployment can decapitate anyone 5' and smaller. Seat belts don't cross their shoulders, but their necks.

6points

Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

Gay isn't the opposite of cis. Trans is. And transbodies are built differently

5points

Viviane 3 years ago (edited)

Most gay men are cis. If you're thinking of trans men, on average they will probably will be smaller than cis men.

1point

Seabeast 3 years ago

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Vojtěch Valigura 3 years ago

Half of these problems are just general problems that small people face, not just woman.

3points

René Studer 3 years ago

I'm not trying to be a d**k, it's kind of an honest question: are household items like washing machines and brooms designed for the average woman?

3points

Jon S. 3 years ago

I've definitely used cleaning products that are made for very small hands, such that I can only get a few fingers on them. And glasses that are too narrow to get my hands in to clean. So a few things in this category seem deliberately designed for women. But my wife complains my vacuum cleaner is too heavy (she has her own lighter one now) so it seems like there might still be male engineers forgetting to product test their designs with women, even if women are likely to be the main users.

5points

BlackPearltheSeaWing/NightWing 3 years ago

Some of these things could actually be life-threatening for women! Why haven't they changed these things?

3points

Evil Little Thing 3 years ago

Because the people who design and build them think we don't matter!

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Babsevs 3 years ago

Amazing book by Caroline Criado Perez.... "Invisible Women" details all the research that back this up, a s well as a bunch more stuff! #defaultmale

3points

Becky Samuel 3 years ago

Maybe this 'Allie' should credit the book that she clearly just stole all of these 'facts' from. Using another person's work and passing it off as your own is very unethical. The fact that she presented all of this without doing any critique or research of her own, as well as her failure to disclose the source of the information or acknowledge the originl author makes me dislike her intensely.

1point

skint boy 3 years ago

Clickbait agian.

3points

Roger Haywood 3 years ago

I'm sorry but most of this is just an excuse to have a go at men. Men come in different shapes and sizes too. The author of this fails dismally to understand and acknowledge this. Yes I know there is a lot of stuff that is unfair on women. The pay gap, toilet facilities and space suits etc. But be fair.

3points

Penny Fan 3 years ago

Aw, show us on the doll where your feeling were hurt by the thought of women having equity? Women can have lower quality of life due to lower pay, they can die more easily in car crashes and you say "bE fAiR"?? Grow up. We're not just oddly-shaped men, we're women.

6points

Martha Meyer 3 years ago

It absolutely is not an excuse to have a go at men. All of the examples here are well known by now. When people built/create things they use themselves as a reference unconsciously. No one does this maliciously. For example, when I put a cupboard on the wall for myself, it will be too low for my partner, because I was judging the height I needed from MY body size. I'm not muhahahing like an evil genius because I've made something that's uncomfortable to use for him. Since medicine and car manufacturing are/were dominated by male doctors and engineers, they created things and meds for people like themselves. It's good that we have a rising awareness that we need to accomodate different people because it harms not only women, but also children, old people and fat people when they aren't taken into consideration.

6points

elStiJneriNO 3 years ago

you know it's just to have a go at men, cis men in particular as the title mentions. While cis men and other men have the same sizes and all points above are size related. So if you disagree, please tell me why it's only for cis men an advantage?

2points

Fish Boden 3 years ago

Check your privilege.

-2points

Ladislav Pollo 3 years ago

This article: 50% serious problems 50% childish cry baby s**t

2points

Mark Fuller 3 years ago

Quite glad that both men and women alike think this post is just a load of drivel...

2points

Pavel 3 years ago

Yes, true. World is build for men by men. But now, a lot of women have a chance to change it! You can do it!

2points

Patti Vance 3 years ago

with the exception of the birth control issue where the men testing said they wouldn't use due to the non life threatening side effects, most of these issues are because the designs factor women into them. not sure if that was because perhaps the designers were men and used men as the measure or not. but, as a short woman i sure would like to use my upper cabinets and not have to wait for my tall grandson come over.

2points

codeMonkey 3 years ago

So instead of complaining, why don't these women get together and start a company and start producing all the things they are complaining about. They have identified the problem, they know what the solution is, now all they have to do is build it. Its not like there are no women designers, architects, scientists, engineers, business leaders, venture capitalist, etc. Get together, form a company, and make things better. The way the article makes it sound is that everything is unfair because patriarchy, but they are wanting the men to fix the issue.

2points

Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

Why should women have to? Current companies just need to incorporate more women into the design process. There are very real reasons to have a diverse workforce

1point

Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

I love how all the mansplainers come out on threads like this to try and say it doesn't match their experiences (duh) or claim its somehow discriminatory against men. White men really just cannot stand to not be the center of attention.

2points

Monilip 3 years ago

You can guess person's skin colour from his comment? How wonderful!

8points

N G 3 years ago

Some of these haven't matched my experience and I'm a woman. Some of my differing experiences have simply been because I'm not an American woman, but a European one. None of this is discriminatory against men (that's just f-ing stupid).

5points

Purrcy Barker 3 years ago

???

2points

Amie Redman 2 years ago

I’m female. I find no issues with any of these things. Maybe because… I Suck it up? The world isn’t all one size fits all. They go with an average.An average would be 5 ‘9” on things as stated. People are mostly between 5 and 6 feet which means 5’9” is pretty close. Headrest doesn’t fit properly because your ponytail is up? Adjust your hair. Ridiculous articles like this drive a rift in society, not all of us are whiners.

1point

Kristy Anderson 3 years ago

As a woman I can say I have never had an issue with any of these things. I can hold tools I can hold my large smart phone no problem there are literally vertical bars on busses and trains that everyone can reach wear a lower pony or hair down if it pushes you too far forward in the car birth control for men isn't as easy to make as birth control for women they are working on it. The medication testing is bullshit they test on everyone to make sure it works well. They sell smaller chairs go get one if you're too cold put on a damn sweater. I swear our female ancestors would be so embarrassed of women today and how whiny they are when we have so much more freedom and so many more things made just for us. Go to the hygiene section at any store and see the hundreds of options of lotion and shampoo and conditioner and razors and soaps all marketed for women all scented with sweet floral and fruity smells. Go to the men's section and you'll see they get one maybe two options for any of that.

1point

Dimitris Jimi Iordanidis 3 years ago (edited)

Apart from a relatively few but important biases, with the most important being employment (which is not even mentioned here lol(also depends on the job though, but mostly there is bias)), the rest is just forced anti-feminism (not real anti-feminism). Manufacturers don't make things bigger because they are against women, or because they are pro-men. It's many times a standard thing to make something bigger than to make it smaller, because smaller can mean unusable, but bigger can be clankier/more annoying to use but still usable. A relatively shorter person can (uneasily but still) fit in something big, but a tall person can't fit in something small. And to add, we have many choices nowadays so even though it might not be the standard it should still be pretty possible to find things of our size.

1point

Paul Tyler 3 years ago

What a lovely little whinge fest this is. Most of it is wrong and the stuff which doesn't work for women is only waiting for a woman to invent the solution instead of whining about how unfair the world is. If you're looking for sympathy it's in the dictionary between sh*t and syphilis.

1point

fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

Wow. Grievance politics just got petty... There's progress.

1point

Rens 3 years ago

I'm a 6ft1 tall woman, so I don't have the same issues regarding height, hand size etc as most women do in this world but trying to get diagnoses for ADD and Autism as a woman was impossible.

1point

fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

So, no. Stop being such a girl. It's not because you're female that you had a hard time getting diagnosis. It's becasue: a) they're not easy diagnoses to make, and if it did come easy then you should probably seek a second opinion; b) these conditions overlap in their descriptions, signs and symptoms a lot, even if their causes might vary greatly (ASD - congenital develepmental condition; BPD - childhood trauma; both have a lot in common in description and experience); c) Autism and ADD are most easily identified in children, and if it wasn't easily detected while you were a child then it will only become more difficult to identify as you get older because you both grow into them and also learn strategies to cope with the conditions that mask their existence; d) might also be that it's not in some entity's interests that these things are discovered - you might end up their liability. It's not because you're a girl. That's something that a girl would say. It's girlish. Stop being a big girl. Be a woman.

1point

fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

And just one more thing to augment your "I'm a victim because I'm female" narrative: BPD is infamous for its misdiagnoses. It was historically considered a female's mental disorder. It's now thought to affect males and females pretty much 50/50. Still, frequently people are misdiagnosed based on whether they are male or female. Frequently, women might be diagnosed with Borderline Personality Disorder but actually qualify for Antisocial Personality Disorder, whereas men might be diagnosed with Antisocial Personality Disorder but actually qualify for BPD. The social consequences are drastic. While both conditions have their stigma and many people will view people with either condition as equally detestable, even though both conditions result from things outside of that person's control, still, on one hand, the woman is more likely to be handled with kid-gloves, pitied, and will ultimately find treatment (even if for the wrong condition) whereas the man is likened with psychopaths and has a high probability to end up in jail and bleeding while holding their innards in with their hands as they lie on the floor of the showers of a prison during their final moments. That poor woman.

0points

fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

Autism: living in the moment and communication difficulties. Seems to be it's own obstacle to diagnosis. I'd bet it's more to do with that than your chromosomes. Might also be something to do with females typically being more agreeable. So, maybe it is your chromosomes after all. And, an anecdote that might contribute to the story that you want to explain with an "I'm just a little girl" victim card: in Australia, if you can prove disability then you are eligible for a pension. It's not ideal, but if you can't work or can't find work because of it then it's at least better than unemployment benefits. The current government, however, has put every obstacle in the way of access to that support. I myself am currently seeking assessment for autism. I don't want disability pension. I want to work, but am finding it impossible to get adequate diagnosis let alone treatment due to government policies. Last year, in the middle of the initial lockdown, I was diagnosed with BPD (Borderline Personality Disorder). During a 15-30 minute phone call... Had to go through the public system, and took years to find that because I couldn't afford the cost and most doctors just shrugged and apparently presumed that it was come up with the money or don't get treatment. The issue would come up generally when I was out of work, because that's when I'd be doing worst, and that's when I had time to address things or even notice things, moreso I would be forced to address things as I might even find myself at times homeless, so I couldn't afford the cost of an assessment - easily in the thousands for an initial assessment by psychiatrist in Australia. But one doctor was about to shrug, but then maybe remembered some way they could utilise the public system. In the end it was just a matter of sending a fax to the local mental health hospital. 15 years and many doctors and psychologists (my own sister has a master's in psychology...) for one doctor to figure that out. Scheduled for an assessment several months in the future, then COVID. Anyway, I got the assessment, was diagnosed. Then I can't get treatment: BPD is generally treated with CBT, which is generally weekly sessions, and maybe several hundred per session. Cheapest I could find was in excess of $100 a week. I wasn't working still, so couldn't afford that, and it didn't sound ideal anyway. Again, eventually a doctor is able to put me onto a tele-health service where I should be able to get DBT from a clinical psychiatrist. Not ideal, still, as it is supposed to include group sessions - it's essentially social training combined with desensitisation/exposure and mindfulness - and get a very confident and self-sure psychologist, who makes sure to point out that he's a psychologist, who doesn't seem to be sure of what the issue is and thinks my problems might be ADD related or something else or some other thing, and disappears after three visits. I was ready to throw my hands up and give in, but gave it another go. Have been seeing this psychologist for a while now (a number of them in the past), but, again, she's not a clinical psychologist, so not really trained to do CBT, and not able to make diagnosis. But, she has stated that she thinks that at least some of what I am describing may be attributed to autism or autistic traits. And, given that I did several pre-screening tests online more than a year before (while researching to try to better understand the issues of a friend who has quite pronounced Asperger's, was diagnosed as a child, and is female) and scored in the high 70% positive: very likely to have autism or autistic traits, then I am inclined to see validity in her suggestion. But, I can't get diagnosed because again, psychiatrist/clinical psychologists can diagnose but charge exorbitant sums for even an initial assessment, and such a diagnosis would require more than an initial assessment, and our public system does not include diagnosis for Autism. But, the more I expose myself, the more I am convinced that it has played a significant role in my life. I'm now over 40, and only just barely breaching a discovery who I am and how to live. Meanwhile, I want to work, but have had to change careers because of these issues and am finding it hard to get my foot in the door, and also don't have confidence that those issues won't just present themselves anyway and result in having the rug whipped out from under me yet again. So, I want treatment, but any support and help that exists is unavailable to me because the government sees it as reasonable to set up obstacles to such things in order to save our tax money to spend instead on corporate interests...

0points

fuggnuggins 3 years ago

Was it any easier for you to get those diagnoses as a man?

0points

Annabel Romijn 3 years ago

If you're interested in finding out more about this, please read Invisible Women: Exposing Data Bias in a World Designed for Men by Caroline Criado Perez. I am currently reading it and it is mind-blowing. (Also, every statement is heavily based on research)

1point

InfectedVoice 3 years ago

My wife is 5'1 and she is just a short person, regardless of gender, luckily her big strong man can do everything that she can't do, but of course, why should she need me there to get certain things down? Is this not just a short person problem?

1point

Lenka Smetanová 3 years ago

well... according to all of this... I'm probably average man :D... No, i absolutely agree with many of this.

1point

deathrose 3 years ago

Some of these are a problem, like the subway safety bars and crash test dummies. But they make power tools for woman, I hate that they usually come in pink but they are there. One thing that personally pisses off is Xbox controller. They are made only for male hands. I'm talking the brand controllers not the 3rd party ones made post release. Third party controllers are not well made and the software usually lags. I have small hands, like I can wear kids gloves, but my male friends play on Xbox and I can't reliably play with them because I just can't grip the controllers. Because of this I'm Playstation for life with their gender neutral, symmetrical controller.

1point

Seabeast 3 years ago

Even tall women like me have trouble finding stuff to fit sometimes. Like work gloves and Nomex coveralls. I've never found coveralls that aren't made for a really long torso, so I end up with the crotch seam hanging near my knees

1point

elStiJneriNO 3 years ago (edited)

that's weird, my wife who is also tall complains most things she looks for are way to small for her. as if things are mostly made for average and small women. specially decent jeans and shoes

0points

Megan B 1 year ago (edited)

The kitchen one is bs😂 I'm a kitchen and bath designer, there's reasons for cabinets being 18" above the countertop. Also around where I live it's very common for cabinets to go to the ceiling because it looks good and tall men can't even reach the top shelf on those. Some of the points were definitely valid and I can name 10+ more, but some were definitely a stretch lol

0points

Nickname 3 years ago (edited)

Ah yes, the headrest pushes a woman's head "funny", that explains everything, after all women have differently shaped back of the skull. It isn't that this person regulated the headrest wrong /s The whole article makes it seem like women are some weaklings with no common sense. Not all tools can't get lighter so fast, they are limits to technology advancement. And you put things at a height you're comfortable with, regulate chairs etc. The double standard of half this things: can reach the bars comfortably means tall people will bump into those. Do u think giving tall people a concussion when emergency breaking is fine? Besides the medicine one they are wild misunderstandings of how technology works ~sincerely a woman

0points

Dan Murray 3 years ago

The cell screen is too large, you can get smaller phones but the screens aren't as big, ooh no! It's too cold so burn more fuel! The safety bars on the bus are too high, lower them, who cares how many people bang their heads on them. Sheesh!

0points

Nellisa 3 years ago

Real life experience here: about 10 years ago I went to a house doctor emergencypost with pain between my shoulderblades, I could point out exactly where the pain was. I was feeling unwell. An old (male)doc was accompanied by a younger female. Hè watched her closely during examination and asked what her diagnosis was. She thought it was stress. Hè said: she is in the middle of a hart attaque and I have already called for an ambulance. He was right and saved my life (hart stopped in the ambulance)

0points

Tom Dibble 3 years ago

Some good points above, but a large percent boil down to "people come in different sizes, and my size is discriminated against!" Yes, there are tall people and short people, and when something is "one size fits most" or even built in multiple sizes they (manufacturer, the store, etc) aim for the dead center average. Then, lots of more realistic issues (multiple examples of safety equipment, etc) are barely mentioned. Cut out the fat and there might be a better post in here.

0points

C A 3 years ago

I have another one: shoe sizes. Somehow people deciide what size women should have. I am tall and my feet and hands are in proportion. I luckily do not have many of the listed problems but I had to wear mens shoes until I hsd my own to buy special shoes at a shop for mishapen people...

0points

Nickname 3 years ago

It's called demand, up to certain sizes they won't sell as well depending on the sizes of people. Which is how unless I move to east Asia I will keep wearing children's shoes

0points

mmornelas 3 years ago

Boy, she went looking hard for evil patriarchal oppression

0points

Donkey boi 3 years ago

This article raises some areas that really need to be addressed, such as in the medicine field. Unfortunately a lot of that gets lost in the "women are small so if it's big it's sexist" approach. There have been tall women and short men for as long as there have been women and men. Men AND women come in all sorts of shapes and sizes, the world will fit very few of us perfectly! Most products are designed (and have been for centuries) around the average user of said item. If you paid attention at school you know how averages can be thrown off by the exception. Some of these are just stupid and shouldn't even be considered as 'built for men' (Such as the Fitbit), learn to understand how the tech woks before jumping to 'sexist'. It's a shame that important messages can get lost amongst ignorance.

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Kamila Podolak 3 years ago

If You find it interesting then check Caroline Criado Perez https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez . She's the author of "Invisible Women" - the book Allie has stolen her whole talk from.

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Pavel 3 years ago

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Noelle M 3 years ago

Also, I have noticed that a movable shower head in the shower is far more female-friendly than a static showerhead. Static showerheads lack the ability to move the showerhead around to cleanse the biologically female body. A static showerhead cleanses the biologically male body considerably better than the biologically female's. Technically, there are more "unreachable" places on a biologically female body that a static showerhead cannot reach. Movable showerheads can, naturally, reach and cleanse those places properly.

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Nickname 3 years ago

That's plain ridiculous. Are you so scared of touching yourself that you rely on rinsing alone

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Aliquid A 3 years ago

These phenomena are real and legitimate issues, but I don't think "discrimination" is the proper word to describe them. Not sure what word to use though.

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Monilip 3 years ago

So there are differences between men and women and gender is not a social construct... Thanks BP for a lessn!

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Roger Haywood 3 years ago

Life is'nt fair. Its not fair for disabled people, people with dwarfism, people over 6-7 foot, fat people, skinny people, men (In some cases), women (In SOME cases), and not fair for people in general. So this rant above makes no real sense.

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

NIce and easy for you to say, seeing that you are in the group the world is bult for.

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Giovanna 3 years ago

Disabled people and people with dwarfism are a small minority. Women make up for more of the 50% of the world population. And about ranting: you are here ranting yourself because you don't want to be included in the "general men" category.

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Evil Little Thing 3 years ago (edited)

You clearly never had your feet dangle when sitting on a public toilet. The point is that women are not DISABLED, we don't have DWARFISM, and we aren't outliers in any way. We are 50% of the adult world. The average woman is 5'4" and struggles with all of these issues. So about half the world finds this kind of design awkward, uncomfortable, painful to use, and/or downright dangerous. It's shitty engineering.

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Mike Ieva 3 years ago

It's because they are not pink???? :) JK

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Esther (she/her) 3 years ago

if you’re born a man in this world, welcome to millions of advantages. If you’re born a woman, welcome to suffering.. unequal rights, and things that are made only for men, and many more..

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Agata Fronia 3 years ago

It is outrageous, and what about womens privileges? So much stupidity it makes my blood boiling. World is not equal in many life aspects. Small pockets? Than find one with a big one, I can do, so you too. Loo queue? Loo and leave not fix your make up for minutes. Ladies contraception? Use women condom. In so any instances women have easier, custody, lower sentences, skirts during summer. It is so much stupidity, do not look for issues when there is none. Not going to mention me too, with so many life's destroyed by a lie, and the real victoms are not believed afterwords, men and women. Women encouraged to go beyond and men being crushed for not being menly enough. Stop that nonsense. People are dying of covid/hunger equally, I just wonted to wright war, but again in many countries military service is obligatory for men and voluntary for women. Men can not go alone to a park, or he will be accused of being a creep. Let people live their life as long as they do not hurt anyone

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Remi 3 years ago

I haven't even read this and it already pisses me off.

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Purrcy Barker 3 years ago

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Viv 3 years ago

What if you get in a car crash? Or have a heart attack? Or need a new drug, strictly tested on me? This is a real problem, and although many items on the list seem unimportant, they contribute to a larger problem. You sound impressively ignorant right now.

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Piet Puk 3 years ago

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Viv 3 years ago

"I would trade medical discrimination and a higher chance of dying in a car crash so I can sit comfortably for a few hours on a plane" LOL

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Penny Fan 3 years ago

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Evil Little Thing 3 years ago

Don't be stupid Dave. Trans men are men who were born female-bodied, so struggle with many of the issues that cis women have. Specifying "cis men" in this case is entirely appropriate because trans men actually need to be excepted.

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

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Jon S. 3 years ago

This is the most sensible and useful comment I have seen on this page.

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago

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mmornelas 3 years ago

Relax, a lot of stuff does not fit me well either (I'm with the patriarchal oppressors)

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Remi 3 years ago

With the medicine you've got a point, but everything else you've written is crazy talk. There are cars specifically built for woman, and tools and everything else.

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Pilot Chick 3 years ago

I’m surprised there was no mention of seatbelts. They are not designed for short people or anyone with boobs.

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Carmen Sandiego 3 years ago

Or pockets!

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Babsevs 3 years ago

Look at the book "Invisible Women". Loads in there on the automobile industry's failure to deal with the female body

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Kathryn Baylis 3 years ago (edited)

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Leigh C. 3 years ago

I know seatbelts and the seat can be adjustable but when you're the passenger the correct position doesn't seem to jive with the drive nor anyone sitting in the back.

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Vicky Zar 3 years ago

Or pregnant women

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Donna Leske 3 years ago

Seatbelts! I'm not short (5' 9") or skinny but seatbelts usually ride directly across my neck. I push it down, moments later it's back up across my neck.

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Yettichild 3 years ago

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

The problem is that women aren't "short people", we are just women. WE are half teh population and for us it's the normal size.

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Ashley Galyen 3 years ago (edited)

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Leo Domitrix 3 years ago

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Cattress511 3 years ago

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Ian Bartels 3 years ago

Thank you! This post is just looking for things to complain about.

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Lyone Fein 3 years ago

I would love to get some recommendations. I cannot find power tools small enough for my hands at all. Can you suggest a circular saw or other power saw that comes in a smaller size?

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Becky Samuel 3 years ago

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Kamila Podolak 3 years ago

I don't like it either. The topic is huge and really important, IMHO everyone should read the "Invisible Women". But what has been done here is horrible.

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Shelp 3 years ago

This article is ridiculous. Its main and only argument seems to be "I can't find a smaller size of a given object —> thus they must have been built for 6ft tall men —> misogyny".

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Seabeast 3 years ago

Well, how do you explain it then? Sheer ignorance? Lazy thinking?

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nicholas nolan 3 years ago

Outrage bait and we all got sucked into it. Again. Goddamnit.

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Bepina 3 years ago

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Andy 3 years ago

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Patty O'Heater 3 years ago

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Fish Boden 3 years ago

"And while I'm at it, I hate the term Cis men!" Do you know what it means or why it's a relevant term? What's to hate, for Pete's sake?

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Brendan 3 years ago (edited)

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Babsevs 3 years ago

Please refer to "Invisible Women" book by Caroline Criado Perez... Covers all this and more

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Moo Moo Futch 3 years ago

POCKETS.

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Alicia OGar 3 years ago (edited)

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elStiJneriNO 3 years ago

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Evil Little Thing 3 years ago

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Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

Gay isn't the opposite of cis. Trans is. And transbodies are built differently

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Viviane 3 years ago (edited)

Most gay men are cis. If you're thinking of trans men, on average they will probably will be smaller than cis men.

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Seabeast 3 years ago

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Vojtěch Valigura 3 years ago

Half of these problems are just general problems that small people face, not just woman.

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René Studer 3 years ago

I'm not trying to be a d**k, it's kind of an honest question: are household items like washing machines and brooms designed for the average woman?

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Jon S. 3 years ago

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BlackPearltheSeaWing/NightWing 3 years ago

Some of these things could actually be life-threatening for women! Why haven't they changed these things?

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Evil Little Thing 3 years ago

Because the people who design and build them think we don't matter!

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Babsevs 3 years ago

Amazing book by Caroline Criado Perez.... "Invisible Women" details all the research that back this up, a s well as a bunch more stuff! #defaultmale

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Becky Samuel 3 years ago

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skint boy 3 years ago

Clickbait agian.

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Roger Haywood 3 years ago

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Penny Fan 3 years ago

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

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elStiJneriNO 3 years ago

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Fish Boden 3 years ago

Check your privilege.

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Ladislav Pollo 3 years ago

This article: 50% serious problems 50% childish cry baby s**t

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Mark Fuller 3 years ago

Quite glad that both men and women alike think this post is just a load of drivel...

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Pavel 3 years ago

Yes, true. World is build for men by men. But now, a lot of women have a chance to change it! You can do it!

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Patti Vance 3 years ago

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codeMonkey 3 years ago

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Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

Why should women have to? Current companies just need to incorporate more women into the design process. There are very real reasons to have a diverse workforce

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Samantha Lomb 3 years ago

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Monilip 3 years ago

You can guess person's skin colour from his comment? How wonderful!

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N G 3 years ago

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Purrcy Barker 3 years ago

???

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Amie Redman 2 years ago

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Kristy Anderson 3 years ago

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Dimitris Jimi Iordanidis 3 years ago (edited)

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Paul Tyler 3 years ago

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

Wow. Grievance politics just got petty... There's progress.

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Rens 3 years ago

I'm a 6ft1 tall woman, so I don't have the same issues regarding height, hand size etc as most women do in this world but trying to get diagnoses for ADD and Autism as a woman was impossible.

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)

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fuggnuggins 3 years ago

Was it any easier for you to get those diagnoses as a man?

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Annabel Romijn 3 years ago

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InfectedVoice 3 years ago

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Lenka Smetanová 3 years ago

well... according to all of this... I'm probably average man :D... No, i absolutely agree with many of this.

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deathrose 3 years ago

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Seabeast 3 years ago

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elStiJneriNO 3 years ago (edited)

that's weird, my wife who is also tall complains most things she looks for are way to small for her. as if things are mostly made for average and small women. specially decent jeans and shoes

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Megan B 1 year ago (edited)

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Nickname 3 years ago (edited)

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Dan Murray 3 years ago

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Nellisa 3 years ago

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Tom Dibble 3 years ago

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C A 3 years ago

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Nickname 3 years ago

It's called demand, up to certain sizes they won't sell as well depending on the sizes of people. Which is how unless I move to east Asia I will keep wearing children's shoes

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mmornelas 3 years ago

Boy, she went looking hard for evil patriarchal oppression

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Donkey boi 3 years ago

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Kamila Podolak 3 years ago

If You find it interesting then check Caroline Criado Perez https://twitter.com/CCriadoPerez . She's the author of "Invisible Women" - the book Allie has stolen her whole talk from.

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Pavel 3 years ago

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Noelle M 3 years ago

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Nickname 3 years ago

That's plain ridiculous. Are you so scared of touching yourself that you rely on rinsing alone

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Aliquid A 3 years ago

These phenomena are real and legitimate issues, but I don't think "discrimination" is the proper word to describe them. Not sure what word to use though.

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Monilip 3 years ago

So there are differences between men and women and gender is not a social construct... Thanks BP for a lessn!

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Roger Haywood 3 years ago

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Martha Meyer 3 years ago

NIce and easy for you to say, seeing that you are in the group the world is bult for.

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