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A Woman Gets Charged $700 For Coming To An ER And Sitting There For 7 Hours But Not Getting Any Treatment, Others Share Similar Stories
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A Woman Gets Charged $700 For Coming To An ER And Sitting There For 7 Hours But Not Getting Any Treatment, Others Share Similar Stories

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Even after numerous articles and news reports on the American healthcare system showing the insanely high amounts of money people have to pay for their health checkups, hospital stays or surgeries and other medical services, the world is still not used to it and is astounded at how Americans have to deal with all this.

After hearing all those heartbreaking stories Americans share about how they can’t afford simple things like insulin which in other countries are fully compensated and have to just suffer, we still kind of see what the patients are paying for.

But a recent story that went viral showed a new bottom the American healthcare system has reached. A woman from Georgia was charged almost $700 and she still can’t understand what the cost includes as she went to the ER, but after waiting 7 hours, she left as she realized she wouldn’t be getting any help.

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A woman from Georgia was charged almost $700 for solely entering the ER despite the fact she waited there for 7 hours and wasn’t even seen by a doctor

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The woman’s name is Taylor Davis and she lives in Georgia, where she went to the Emory Decatur Hospital ER in July to have her head injury checked. She was sitting there waiting to be taken in for 7 hours, but then she realized that she wouldn’t get her turn, so she left.

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After a couple of weeks, she got a bill in her mailbox and it was from the hospital. It said that the patient was actually late to pay her bill of $688.35, but Taylor hadn’t expected to be charged as she wasn’t called in or seen by anyone; she didn’t even get her vitals taken.

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While talking to Fox5, the woman didn’t hide her frustration stressing that she sought immediate help, but didn’t receive it, and on top of that, she was charged. “I sat there for seven hours. There’s no way I should be sitting in an emergency room… an emergency room for seven hours.”

After getting the bill, the first thought the woman had was that it was probably a mistake, because how is it possible to be paying so much money for nothing? Taylor called the hospital and they informed her that “it’s hospital protocol even if you’re just walking in and you’re not seen. When you type in your social, that’s it. You’re going to get charged regardless.”

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The bill came unexpectedly after a couple of weeks and it was already past due

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The hospital explained that patients are charged before they get seen as they charge an emergency room facility fee

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The almost $700 bill was explained to be an emergency room visit fee or a facility fee. It’s the source for hospitals to help to keep their doors open, to pay their electricity bills and cover the cost of running an emergency room 24/7. The fee can range anywhere from $533 to over $3,000 depending on the hospital. It’s nothing new, just that people usually don’t notice it when they pay the whole bill as they usually get treated and expect to be charged.

As the hospital put it in an email sent to Taylor, “You get charged before you are seen. Not for being seen,” subtly putting the blame on the patient that she left before she got the help she needed.

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This incident made Taylor think carefully before deciding to go to a hospital as not everyone has spare money to pay for technically nothing

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Sadly, Taylor said that will make her think twice before going to an ER, “I’m very reluctant to go to the hospital now. That’s kind of like the last resort now. Seeing that they’re able to bill you for random things, it doesn’t make me want to go. So that’s not good.”

It’s actually a sad reality for a lot of people. According to United Healthcare, on average, Americans without insurance have to cough up $2,200 per visit, which can be a scary amount for some. Then they will consider not going and choose to suffer instead, which is terrifying to think.

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After the story blew up, Emory Healthcare sent a statement regarding the situation with Taylor: “Emory Healthcare takes all patient concerns seriously and appreciates this has been brought to our attention. Our teams are currently looking into this matter and will follow up directly with the individual.”

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Do you think hospitals are justified to charge their patients such high bills even if they were not seen by a doctor? Do you know any similar stories or want to share your own experience? Let us know your thoughts and reactions in the comments!

People who heard about the story were telling their own experiences with the ER

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People shared some crazy amounts they had to pay for the most minimal things and it just doesn’t sound right

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You may also like to read this article in which an American comes to a realization of how messed up his country’s healthcare system is after having to go to the ER in Taiwan after food poisoning and seeing his fear about the hospital bill disappear as he has to pay only $80.

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bryguy
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This entire article is soooo weird to read from any country other than the USA. Last year my mom had a serious medical emergency and she was in the hospital for 3 months and nearly lost her leg. Had to meet with numerous plastic surgeons to rebuild the leg. Multiple teams of doctors. A nurse still comes every single day to her house. To this day we have paid $0. If I lived in the states my mom would have died. There is a serious issue here.

Aeon Flux
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. We're basically steamrolled by corporate interests in most areas of our lives. And many people are in denial about it.

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Paul Davis
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know from taking business law you cannot be charged without receiving some sort of service. It doesn't matter what the hospital's "policies" are. You have received no service or consideration, therefore, owe nothing. It would be laughed out of any but the most corrupt court. Unfortunately, the U.S. has plenty of those, too.

Angela Robinson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True. But many people may not know that, or they simply don't have the time to fight it. If someone is working during the week, it would be difficult to take the day off to make the necessary calls to get the bill reversed. Calling about those matters has to be done during "business hours" and can take hours of hassle and back and forth to deal with. Many are too tired, stressed, or unaware to deal with it.

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Robert T
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The bill might be valid, but the entire US health system certainly isn't!

White Wolf
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US healthcare system is the biggest scam ever and people are ok with it.

Viviane
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're not, but the ones who want a different system are at a bit over 60%. It might take a crushing majority to change it.

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Kitty Jordan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The question about whether it's worth it or not to live in the U.S. bothers me. I can't even afford a plane ticket to visit another state, much less another country; not to mention that you would have to be able to find a job in another country, be granted a work visa, have the savings to move, etc. And from my understanding, a lot of the places with really great healthcare are very strict about who qualifies and who can get a visa to work/live there. People who recognize there's a problem with the American healthcare system are usually the ones suffering under it through extreme medical bills, and are the ones who can least afford to move somewhere else.

Kitty Jordan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And, just to add my own experience, I had HG when I was pregnant and was severely dehydrated several times. Each time I had to go to the ER to get IV fluids, I was charged $500 - $600 (that's with insurance). When I tried to talk to the doctor about getting IV fluids through the office, I was told I had to go to the ER and they couldn't do it. I also went to the ER for a suspected UTI, and they told me I was fine and sent me home. Later, I had a crippling kidney infection and went septic; I specifically asked the doctor at the second hospital where I was diagnosed if it was possible to go from "nothing on a UTI test" to where I was in less than 6 hours and he said no. The first hospital still charged me $600 to tell me nothing was wrong and nearly kill me and my daughter.

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BluEyedSeoulite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As for the do Americans want to live in America: I'm so glad I left. It is a dumpster fird

Mary Bank
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

DITTO. I moved to Ontario 14 years ago and about once a month I am like "THANK GOODNESS I left the states" I lived in Florida for 30 years (born and raised there) and I was always told how HORRID Canada health care is because its socialized. What a crock of s**t, granted I live in a high population area so we have a lot of doctors and hospitals vs other parts of Canada but no issues for specialized care which I have had a few times since living here. I never have to second guess about seeing a doctor which is so amazing since for 5 years I didn't have insurance in Florida and it was so brutal.

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Monica Martinez Castañeda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a European, I truly can't understand how it's possible that (some) Americans still argue that that's the best healthcare system and that to have access to it you "only" have to pay an insurance... How on earth do you justify having to pay 700$ for literally NOTHING!!!

Don't Look
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Health care in the states is so different from hospital to hospital and doctors office to doctors office it’s actually a gamble to go to any of them. All health care in the us is privatized on some level - but the worst part is that the government is the one stepping between the patient and the doctor. They are the mediator saying who can do what and when and what it’s going to cost.

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Kenny Kulbiski
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had three ENT appointments and never once saw a doctor. The prn seemed competent but I got billed for seeing a Physician. For that kind of money you'd think the Doctor could at least wave at me from the lounge or whatever the hell she was st.

Mazer
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F*****g ”medicine” in America, taking the term practice to a whole new low. She needs to fight this

Philippe Guibert
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seen from France, this is crazy ! And i think we pay less to our Social Security system + Health insurance companies than americans do... for a 100% coverage of the costs. Your health system is only made to enrich doctors, hospitals, companies, and not to keep all americans safe.

SAF saf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A little under half the U.S. population thinks we have the best healthcare in the world and the majority of them don't even have health insurance. Nothing is going to change in the near future here. Health care is like at the bottom of our collective concerns. We get the govt' we deserve.

Freya the Wanderer
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anybody who thinks the US has the world's best healthcare is either naive or very rich and thus able to afford the best.

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Frank
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do hate the whole, this hospital is in your network but....the doctor on call is not so....we charge you full price. Thanks a lot health insurance that I don't use because it's pointless!

The Cute Cat
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, what happen to that lady that no doctor seen her during that 7 hour in ER? The ER doesn't have a standby doctor for 7 hours?? That is an epic fail..

Jovita A
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm curious what itemized bill would say? Sitting in the uncomfortable chair (7hr) - $700. I would sue them, you can't charge money for not providing any service.

Dasha Slepenkina
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To answer the question about living in the US... This is literally why I left. I had insurance through my work but didn't want to live in a country anymore where things like this happen. There were other reasons as well, but the fact that I could lose my job, have a medical emergency, and spend the rest of my life in debt is too horrific to consider. I've lived in multiple countries since and to be honest, European medical systems aren't perfect either - but at least I can get the care I need without relying on employment or going into debt.

Nope IWont
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to the ER and we talked to by a doctor and out the door in less than 20 min. Basically,I over reacted about something and was told it was nothing to worry about. Literally received no treatment of any kind. Spoke to a doctor for less than 5 minutes. They billed my insurance $2850! And they actually paid $1200!

Curry on...
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a swelling in my leg. I went to the ER, waited for 5 hours, and finally, an ultra sound tech waved the wand over my leg and said, 'it'll go down, get some support stockings. The bill was $1500 for less than 5 minutes of attention. The stockings were $60.

Matthew Braim
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

God bless our NHS! Everything is free at the point of delivery, paid for by a VERY SMALL progressive tax (called National Insurance). Only prescriptions are charged for, and some optical & dental care, & then only the wealthiest pay. But £10 (us$13) for a WHOLE MONTH'S WORTH of Insulin, America? Doncha just hate that Socialist democracy system...xxx

Suz66
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know if it happened here, but many times, they perform many tests before you see a doctor. Other doctors were assessing the problem, even if you never met with them. The tests cost money, the specialist reviewing the tests (radiologist, cardiologist, etc,) spends time reviewing them and making assessments or ruling out problems. I did several tests over a six hour period (xray, several blood tests, ekg, COVID test, etc,) before the doctor met with me and told me I was having a bad asthma attack. I was given a breathing treatment. But at least they ruled out many other things that could've caused the symptoms (was having chest pain.) Like I said, this woman may not have had any tests done but many times the tests add to the cost.

Seabeast
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Universal health care is awesome! I broke a bone a few years ago, got surgery, spent time in hospital, and only had to pay for the ambulance ($350 CAD), the walking cast ($90 CAD), and the crutches ($25 CAD).

Bo Sundin
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is chocking. Should be a civil right with reasonable health care. In Sweden where I live, I payed 20$ for prostate check up, investigation, surgery and over night stay with observation. And return after two weeks for chek up. And yes I pay a 30% tax on my sallary

Ren
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to the ER twice in one weekend, years ago. All they did was tell me I was dehydrated. $4,000 total. I went to my GP after the weekend and was diagnosed with C. Diff and could have died if it wasn't treated properly. It took me a year to fully recover from that.

Shelley McKinney
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am from Canada and we have free healthcare. However, there are multiple problems with it and not everything is covered. Biggest problem: Not enough doctors (my province has a wait list to get a GP - can't really switch if you don't like the one you do get), long wait times in ER (almost always), VERY long wait to see specialist. Items not covered: Eye care, dental care, ambulance, prescriptions. My question is to other countries with health care - do you face similar issues as us or do your countries actually have these things figured out? Are there other problems with the healthcare system? At the end of the day, even with our issues, I would still prefer what we have than what the US has to deal with. That boggles my mind.

RJS
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of those are generally true in the US as well, unless you happen to live in a place with an overabundance of doctors. We just also have to pay ~$1K/mo* for the ability to just pay for the first $3K/yr of care. * if your employer pays, that's just a cost for them that could have been your salary but isn't.

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James Pasquini
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Sorry about unfortunately." What the heck is that supposed to mean? When I saw that in the hospital's reply I thought, did a 5-yr old write that?

MsKestrela
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hit my head, laid on the floor for ~36 hours, unconscious, until my sister found me. Hospitalized for 5 weeks, don't remember most of the first 3. Was finally released to come home. I can't work, have no insurance...got a bill for $65K. My credit was already crap from bad decisions, so I just told the hospital billing dept. the truth. They set me up with Medicaid, and I never heard another word from them.

David Struve
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The US health "care" system is precisely the reason - and in fact the ONLY reason - I can never live there, despite the strong desire to for it's many, many other redeeming qualities (including the vast majority of its people). I have a fainting disorder, and the idea that an ambulance would be called EACH and EVERY time I had a fainting spell?!? Holy moly I'd be in SO much debt SO quickly I might as well just go directly from the airport on my first day in the country straight to some random alleyway and set up my homeless shelter just to get a head start on things - since that's where I'd end up any way.

C Weiss
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2005 My husband went to Kaiser with chest pain. They gave him medication for acid reflex and sent him home. He died that night, it turned out to be a blood clot to his lungs.

Kyndal T
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish people would stop asking why we live here anyways. If we had the disposable income to up and move across the globe, would we be sitting here crying into our medical bills?? I have so much debt that I just stopped paying it. Apparently that's an option. Maybe. We'll see. In Kansas they throw you in jail if you can't pay. In Oklahoma they just send you semi threatening letters and calls from collectors. I tell them to eat my ass. It took me 2 years to pay off a bill from a test that was never done because they OD'd me on the knockout drug. I'm not paying a dime on the bill for about $15,000 just for the ER to send me to another hospital so they could yell into the waiting room that I shouldn't even be there because it was "just a miscarriage". Oh, well thanks for letting me know after 6 1/2 hours and 2 hospitals later. The system isn't what's broken. We are.

buttonpusher
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I received a letter charging me 100 euro ambulance fee (Ireland) and I wasn't even treated in hospital, so I went home. It seems they don't always charge you either. I was so pissed off when the letter came a few weeks later. I ignored it. I got another "final warning" 2 weeks after that. I've since moved so they can piss off. And are they really gonna take me to court for 100 euro? Maybe if they can find me.

James016
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I chanced upon this guy on twitter: https://twitter.com/wendellpotter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Wendell Potter. He was a VP at an insurance company and turned whistle blower. His feed is worth a look

Lazy leopard
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2 years ago

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Same story in many countries, only people don't know because they never see what's being charged. I was in ER for 2 hours just to see some doctor in training for 5 minutes and I'm quite sure they'll charge me in excess of 300 euro. Want to see a GP outside office hours? It'll cost 160 euro's versus the 10 they normally get. But again, you don't see it so most people act like it's not their problem. No one in their right mind would accept that service level and those prices in any other service industry. But hey, healthcare is completely regulated into oblivion, and unless you devote 12 years of your life to the guild you will not be allowed to share in the spoils. Funny how less informed people always seem to think that this stuff is due to "private" healthcare, as if that exists for anything except esthetics.

bryguy
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This entire article is soooo weird to read from any country other than the USA. Last year my mom had a serious medical emergency and she was in the hospital for 3 months and nearly lost her leg. Had to meet with numerous plastic surgeons to rebuild the leg. Multiple teams of doctors. A nurse still comes every single day to her house. To this day we have paid $0. If I lived in the states my mom would have died. There is a serious issue here.

Aeon Flux
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes. We're basically steamrolled by corporate interests in most areas of our lives. And many people are in denial about it.

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Paul Davis
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know from taking business law you cannot be charged without receiving some sort of service. It doesn't matter what the hospital's "policies" are. You have received no service or consideration, therefore, owe nothing. It would be laughed out of any but the most corrupt court. Unfortunately, the U.S. has plenty of those, too.

Angela Robinson
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True. But many people may not know that, or they simply don't have the time to fight it. If someone is working during the week, it would be difficult to take the day off to make the necessary calls to get the bill reversed. Calling about those matters has to be done during "business hours" and can take hours of hassle and back and forth to deal with. Many are too tired, stressed, or unaware to deal with it.

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Robert T
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The bill might be valid, but the entire US health system certainly isn't!

White Wolf
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

US healthcare system is the biggest scam ever and people are ok with it.

Viviane
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're not, but the ones who want a different system are at a bit over 60%. It might take a crushing majority to change it.

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Kitty Jordan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The question about whether it's worth it or not to live in the U.S. bothers me. I can't even afford a plane ticket to visit another state, much less another country; not to mention that you would have to be able to find a job in another country, be granted a work visa, have the savings to move, etc. And from my understanding, a lot of the places with really great healthcare are very strict about who qualifies and who can get a visa to work/live there. People who recognize there's a problem with the American healthcare system are usually the ones suffering under it through extreme medical bills, and are the ones who can least afford to move somewhere else.

Kitty Jordan
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And, just to add my own experience, I had HG when I was pregnant and was severely dehydrated several times. Each time I had to go to the ER to get IV fluids, I was charged $500 - $600 (that's with insurance). When I tried to talk to the doctor about getting IV fluids through the office, I was told I had to go to the ER and they couldn't do it. I also went to the ER for a suspected UTI, and they told me I was fine and sent me home. Later, I had a crippling kidney infection and went septic; I specifically asked the doctor at the second hospital where I was diagnosed if it was possible to go from "nothing on a UTI test" to where I was in less than 6 hours and he said no. The first hospital still charged me $600 to tell me nothing was wrong and nearly kill me and my daughter.

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BluEyedSeoulite
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As for the do Americans want to live in America: I'm so glad I left. It is a dumpster fird

Mary Bank
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

DITTO. I moved to Ontario 14 years ago and about once a month I am like "THANK GOODNESS I left the states" I lived in Florida for 30 years (born and raised there) and I was always told how HORRID Canada health care is because its socialized. What a crock of s**t, granted I live in a high population area so we have a lot of doctors and hospitals vs other parts of Canada but no issues for specialized care which I have had a few times since living here. I never have to second guess about seeing a doctor which is so amazing since for 5 years I didn't have insurance in Florida and it was so brutal.

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Monica Martinez Castañeda
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a European, I truly can't understand how it's possible that (some) Americans still argue that that's the best healthcare system and that to have access to it you "only" have to pay an insurance... How on earth do you justify having to pay 700$ for literally NOTHING!!!

Don't Look
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Health care in the states is so different from hospital to hospital and doctors office to doctors office it’s actually a gamble to go to any of them. All health care in the us is privatized on some level - but the worst part is that the government is the one stepping between the patient and the doctor. They are the mediator saying who can do what and when and what it’s going to cost.

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Kenny Kulbiski
Community Member
2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had three ENT appointments and never once saw a doctor. The prn seemed competent but I got billed for seeing a Physician. For that kind of money you'd think the Doctor could at least wave at me from the lounge or whatever the hell she was st.

Mazer
Community Member
2 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

F*****g ”medicine” in America, taking the term practice to a whole new low. She needs to fight this

Philippe Guibert
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seen from France, this is crazy ! And i think we pay less to our Social Security system + Health insurance companies than americans do... for a 100% coverage of the costs. Your health system is only made to enrich doctors, hospitals, companies, and not to keep all americans safe.

SAF saf
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A little under half the U.S. population thinks we have the best healthcare in the world and the majority of them don't even have health insurance. Nothing is going to change in the near future here. Health care is like at the bottom of our collective concerns. We get the govt' we deserve.

Freya the Wanderer
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anybody who thinks the US has the world's best healthcare is either naive or very rich and thus able to afford the best.

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Frank
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I do hate the whole, this hospital is in your network but....the doctor on call is not so....we charge you full price. Thanks a lot health insurance that I don't use because it's pointless!

The Cute Cat
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So, what happen to that lady that no doctor seen her during that 7 hour in ER? The ER doesn't have a standby doctor for 7 hours?? That is an epic fail..

Jovita A
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm curious what itemized bill would say? Sitting in the uncomfortable chair (7hr) - $700. I would sue them, you can't charge money for not providing any service.

Dasha Slepenkina
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To answer the question about living in the US... This is literally why I left. I had insurance through my work but didn't want to live in a country anymore where things like this happen. There were other reasons as well, but the fact that I could lose my job, have a medical emergency, and spend the rest of my life in debt is too horrific to consider. I've lived in multiple countries since and to be honest, European medical systems aren't perfect either - but at least I can get the care I need without relying on employment or going into debt.

Nope IWont
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to the ER and we talked to by a doctor and out the door in less than 20 min. Basically,I over reacted about something and was told it was nothing to worry about. Literally received no treatment of any kind. Spoke to a doctor for less than 5 minutes. They billed my insurance $2850! And they actually paid $1200!

Curry on...
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had a swelling in my leg. I went to the ER, waited for 5 hours, and finally, an ultra sound tech waved the wand over my leg and said, 'it'll go down, get some support stockings. The bill was $1500 for less than 5 minutes of attention. The stockings were $60.

Matthew Braim
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

God bless our NHS! Everything is free at the point of delivery, paid for by a VERY SMALL progressive tax (called National Insurance). Only prescriptions are charged for, and some optical & dental care, & then only the wealthiest pay. But £10 (us$13) for a WHOLE MONTH'S WORTH of Insulin, America? Doncha just hate that Socialist democracy system...xxx

Suz66
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know if it happened here, but many times, they perform many tests before you see a doctor. Other doctors were assessing the problem, even if you never met with them. The tests cost money, the specialist reviewing the tests (radiologist, cardiologist, etc,) spends time reviewing them and making assessments or ruling out problems. I did several tests over a six hour period (xray, several blood tests, ekg, COVID test, etc,) before the doctor met with me and told me I was having a bad asthma attack. I was given a breathing treatment. But at least they ruled out many other things that could've caused the symptoms (was having chest pain.) Like I said, this woman may not have had any tests done but many times the tests add to the cost.

Seabeast
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Universal health care is awesome! I broke a bone a few years ago, got surgery, spent time in hospital, and only had to pay for the ambulance ($350 CAD), the walking cast ($90 CAD), and the crutches ($25 CAD).

Bo Sundin
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is chocking. Should be a civil right with reasonable health care. In Sweden where I live, I payed 20$ for prostate check up, investigation, surgery and over night stay with observation. And return after two weeks for chek up. And yes I pay a 30% tax on my sallary

Ren
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went to the ER twice in one weekend, years ago. All they did was tell me I was dehydrated. $4,000 total. I went to my GP after the weekend and was diagnosed with C. Diff and could have died if it wasn't treated properly. It took me a year to fully recover from that.

Shelley McKinney
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am from Canada and we have free healthcare. However, there are multiple problems with it and not everything is covered. Biggest problem: Not enough doctors (my province has a wait list to get a GP - can't really switch if you don't like the one you do get), long wait times in ER (almost always), VERY long wait to see specialist. Items not covered: Eye care, dental care, ambulance, prescriptions. My question is to other countries with health care - do you face similar issues as us or do your countries actually have these things figured out? Are there other problems with the healthcare system? At the end of the day, even with our issues, I would still prefer what we have than what the US has to deal with. That boggles my mind.

RJS
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

All of those are generally true in the US as well, unless you happen to live in a place with an overabundance of doctors. We just also have to pay ~$1K/mo* for the ability to just pay for the first $3K/yr of care. * if your employer pays, that's just a cost for them that could have been your salary but isn't.

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James Pasquini
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Sorry about unfortunately." What the heck is that supposed to mean? When I saw that in the hospital's reply I thought, did a 5-yr old write that?

MsKestrela
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hit my head, laid on the floor for ~36 hours, unconscious, until my sister found me. Hospitalized for 5 weeks, don't remember most of the first 3. Was finally released to come home. I can't work, have no insurance...got a bill for $65K. My credit was already crap from bad decisions, so I just told the hospital billing dept. the truth. They set me up with Medicaid, and I never heard another word from them.

David Struve
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The US health "care" system is precisely the reason - and in fact the ONLY reason - I can never live there, despite the strong desire to for it's many, many other redeeming qualities (including the vast majority of its people). I have a fainting disorder, and the idea that an ambulance would be called EACH and EVERY time I had a fainting spell?!? Holy moly I'd be in SO much debt SO quickly I might as well just go directly from the airport on my first day in the country straight to some random alleyway and set up my homeless shelter just to get a head start on things - since that's where I'd end up any way.

C Weiss
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

2005 My husband went to Kaiser with chest pain. They gave him medication for acid reflex and sent him home. He died that night, it turned out to be a blood clot to his lungs.

Kyndal T
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wish people would stop asking why we live here anyways. If we had the disposable income to up and move across the globe, would we be sitting here crying into our medical bills?? I have so much debt that I just stopped paying it. Apparently that's an option. Maybe. We'll see. In Kansas they throw you in jail if you can't pay. In Oklahoma they just send you semi threatening letters and calls from collectors. I tell them to eat my ass. It took me 2 years to pay off a bill from a test that was never done because they OD'd me on the knockout drug. I'm not paying a dime on the bill for about $15,000 just for the ER to send me to another hospital so they could yell into the waiting room that I shouldn't even be there because it was "just a miscarriage". Oh, well thanks for letting me know after 6 1/2 hours and 2 hospitals later. The system isn't what's broken. We are.

buttonpusher
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I received a letter charging me 100 euro ambulance fee (Ireland) and I wasn't even treated in hospital, so I went home. It seems they don't always charge you either. I was so pissed off when the letter came a few weeks later. I ignored it. I got another "final warning" 2 weeks after that. I've since moved so they can piss off. And are they really gonna take me to court for 100 euro? Maybe if they can find me.

James016
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2 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I chanced upon this guy on twitter: https://twitter.com/wendellpotter?ref_src=twsrc%5Egoogle%7Ctwcamp%5Eserp%7Ctwgr%5Eauthor Wendell Potter. He was a VP at an insurance company and turned whistle blower. His feed is worth a look

Lazy leopard
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2 years ago

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Same story in many countries, only people don't know because they never see what's being charged. I was in ER for 2 hours just to see some doctor in training for 5 minutes and I'm quite sure they'll charge me in excess of 300 euro. Want to see a GP outside office hours? It'll cost 160 euro's versus the 10 they normally get. But again, you don't see it so most people act like it's not their problem. No one in their right mind would accept that service level and those prices in any other service industry. But hey, healthcare is completely regulated into oblivion, and unless you devote 12 years of your life to the guild you will not be allowed to share in the spoils. Funny how less informed people always seem to think that this stuff is due to "private" healthcare, as if that exists for anything except esthetics.

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