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Woman Accused Of Throwing A Tantrum After Boycotting Sister’s Wedding Because Of Her Dumb New Rule
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Woman Accused Of Throwing A Tantrum After Boycotting Sister’s Wedding Because Of Her Dumb New Rule

Woman Accused Of Throwing A Tantrum After Boycotting Sister’s Wedding Because Of Her Dumb New RuleBride Enforces A Wedding Rule That Excludes Her Niece From Attending, Is Shocked By Sister’s Reaction“Am I The Jerk For ‘Throwing A Tantrum’ Because My Child Wasn’t Invited To A Childfree Wedding?”Woman Shocks Sister By Boycotting Her Wedding Because Of A Rule That Excludes Her Daughter From Attending“You Want A ‘My Child’-Free Wedding”: Woman Refuses To Attend Sister’s Wedding After Their Child-Free RuleWoman Sets A ‘No Under 18’ Rule When There’s Only 1 Relative That Age, Doesn’t Get The Big DealWoman Freaks Out About Her Sister’s Child-Free Wedding As Her Daughter Is The Only One Not InvitedWoman Furious After Sister Excludes Only Her Daughter From Her Wedding, Refuses To Go In Solidarity
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Planning the guest list for a small, intimate wedding can be tricky. Some people close to the couple may not be invited. In some cases, like in the story you’re about to read, this may include a sibling’s child.

Reddit user Eastern-Second-2528 has a sister who is about to get married. The problem arose when her teenage daughter was excluded from the guest list. A heated argument ensued, and the author got called out for “throwing a tantrum.” 

The stressful situation made her vent her frustrations on the AITA subreddit for clarity. 

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Pre-wedding family drama can be a massive headache to deal with

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Guest list issues caused a rift between a woman and her soon-to-be-married sister

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A heated argument ensued, leading to some name-calling 

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The desire for control is one of the common reasons for family drama

The two women in the story argued about including the teenage girl on the wedding guest list. Neither of them was willing to back down, likely because they wanted to control the situation and get their way. 

According to licensed marriage and family therapist Sarah Epstein, it is one of the common causes of pre-wedding family drama. Her article published in Psychology Today states that logic gets thrown out the window during such tense moments.

Epstein brought up another possible factor: the fear of being left out. In this case, the author didn’t want her daughter to miss out on a significant family event. 

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A successful ceremony is possible even if the people in conflict are present

A peaceful, drama-free ceremony is achievable, even with the warring family members around. According to experts like The Wedding Academy founder Kylie Carlson, it’s about maintaining distance.

In an interview with Shondaland, she advises speaking with wedding planners for appropriate seat assignments and with the photographers to ensure the people at odds aren’t in the same shot.

Overall, Carlson emphasizes the importance of communication. She encourages one-on-one dialogues with certain family members about behavior expectations if needed. 

“These aren’t easy conversations to have, but taking this step means you’re not leaving things to chance,” she said. 

The bride-to-be seemed set on her decision to exclude her niece, which likely didn’t sway the author to change her mind about not attending. Unless they were willing to reason, any conversation would’ve been futile. 

What do you think, dear readers? Who was in the wrong here? 

The author answered some questions to provide more information

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People in the comments were divided, but most of them sided with her

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However, there were a few who blamed her 

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you are going to have a childfree wedding you cannot complain when your friends and family with children don't come.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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1 month ago

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People with children go to events and activities without the kids all time. To name a few that people in my immediate family just this summer have left kids at home for: triathlon, basketball tournament, charity dinner, high school reunion, night out with friends, cinema, food festival, beer festival, musical. Maybe parents leave earlier for logistics, but there's no reason for parents to take children to events that aren't for children. Pretending a wedding is different is just to cause drama. It's like caring what the guests are wearing or what gifts people bring. Just small people trying to make big waves.

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Max Fox
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My kid was away at college before she turned 17, and these YTA dorks believe that she was too young to be allowed to be at a wedding. Morons. Hell, I started my basic training in the military at the ripe old age of 18 years a 13 days, so I guess that I was old enough to be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, but not with a glass of champagne and wedding centerpieces. As I wrote - morons.

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Mary Lou
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I also love the reasoning about teenagers testing their limits - like what are the chances that the quiet shy 17year old girl will test her limits rather than the 18-20 year old bunch of guys?

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arthbach
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A friend who lived in France was invited to her father's 5th wedding. The wedding was in the USA. My friend's children were not invited. She declined the invitation as she was not going to leave her children behind. . When pressed to come, she replied she'd give this wedding a miss, but she'd be sure to come to the next one. - - - - Perhaps a similar response was needed in this story.

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Bernd Herbert
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Childfree shouldn't apply to a 17-year old. Here in Germany you're allowed to get a driver's license and drink beer and wine. That's not a child

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XenoMurph
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep, my 16 yr old will compare the lyrics of Pink Flloyd vs Taylor Swift (don't judge) over a couple of beers. Not a child. There's a bigger reason this person was excluded.

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Dainty72
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those people that are saying YTA ARE TA's it's only one girl who turns 18 a month after and this is absolutely deliberate! The others are boys between 18 and 21 she also the only girl. This is not being a cry baby (to the person who wrote that) you all would do exactly the same and think "it's MY day and MY rules= bridezilla's. If this was you, you'd be feeling very different! You "YTA" commenters are just nasty like this MF sister. I'm btw I'm all for child free, but this isn't the same at all. People who are like this haven't/wont feel a little bit sorry, disgusting!!! These aren't nice people if they can exclude their niece knowing it's ONLY HER that can't go. Have a heart and understand how this may effect her, especially because she's quiet? Horrible b***h!!! DON'T GO TO THIS WEDDING! If you do, that girl will be sitting by herself wondering what TF has she done? NTA by a long way! Ignore people trolling calling you names, they're as bad as your sister! The troll brigade!!!!!

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're 100% correct. Imagine that poor kid crying alone at home, wondering why her entire family hates her. Like being a teenaged girl isn't difficult enough already. This Grandma-to-be wants to send her a Giant Hug. 💙

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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was just at a wedding last week and I now understand why someone wouldn't want toddlers at their wedding. It's not pretty when a very young child has a complete meltdown during the bride's entrance, in the middle of the vows, during pictures, etc. I think we clocked in at 5 tantrums throughout the ceremony and unfortunately due to the setting the parents couldn't just remove the child. But in my view the point of a "child-free" wedding is to minimise disruption. A 17-year-old is perfectly capable of understanding appropriate behaviour. If they don't, then you absolutely do have the right to exclude them from your event. To do it on a basis of "just because", especially at such a small wedding is petty.

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Trillian
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I totally agree about child-free weddings being fine but the main problem is actually the parents, not the toddler here. They need to take the kid outside the minute they start crying ffs. I used to take my daughter along to events but I or her dad would always stand close to the entrance in case we had to do this.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is it with Americans infantilising their kids for so long? A 17 year old is not a child and should not be treated like one. I can understand a childfree wedding excluding those under 16 but excluding a 17 year old is ridiculous, she could be going to her own weddung in a few months ffs!

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about anyone truly believing that this quiet 17 y.o. girl is somehow "too childish" to attend a wedding that her 18-21 y.o. male cousins have been invited to. It's either about a sister who's really more of a "frenemy" (as well as a Terrible aunt), or else is beyond-jealous & suffering from NPD (while causing an innocent teen to suffer the effects of it, as well). So glad this Mom stood up for her kid. I love the comment about declining b/c she couldn't find "childcare" for that day. Great response. The "5th wedding" reply was spot-on, too. I don't understand why some folks get a charge out of being purposely cruel or spiteful. Esp. w/ family. It's just sad, really. And pointless.

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Mr. Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like something my sister would pull and she'd do it just to be mean. My mother would have pulled something like this as well and she'd do it just to be mean. I was the target of c**p like this growing up and it was all just to be mean. Stop trying to figure out what's wrong with the 17yo and start wondering my this adult is so threatened by her.

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Mr. Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comment about alcohol was just plain stupid. Weddings serve alcohol with kids at them all the time. They said there will 18-21yos there, but the drinking age is 21 so the other 18-20yos would be a problem, too.

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Soulstorm brew
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't ever want to meet these YTA people. Not just from this story either.

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CatWoman1014
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s her wedding and has a right to have whatever rules she wants, but she also needs to know those rules can cause others to not want to come. I don’t blame op for not attending in this case especially since it’s seems pretty obvious sister is purposely excluding op’s daughter

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Cathy Lemay
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A 17 year old is hardly a "child". They're minors but can control themselves. Sis is being petty.

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xolitaire
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people are really reaching. They simply go by "Their wedding, their shots", but to come to that conclusion you must have tl:dr'd the entire thing

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Wysteria_Rose
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I hear child-free, I picture infants to maybe ten years old, not older teens. I think it's quite odd to exclude someone about to be a legal adult.

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Couragetcd
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First, OP is definitely NTA. But more importantly, where the heck is the tantrum mentioned in the title and by the YTA'ers? She called her sister for clarification, pointed out the no kids rule only applies to her daughter, so it was targeted, and declined to go in support of her daughter. No stomping or screaming or trying to get everyone to shun her sister or extreme behavior noted. Sucks for the sister that she lost her MOH, but she FAFO. OP is a good mom. Case closed.

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KimB
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay even if OP is worried about underage drinking why can't the 17 year old go to the wedding ceremony? She is immediate family after all. I think there's a bigger issue we aren't being told about.

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MR
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1. 17, nearly 18, isn't a child. 2. If there were a reasonable explanation to exclude a single family member, you really do owe that person that explanation. And simply blanketing "child free" isn't at all a good enough. 3. Calling and asking about it, isn't unreasonable. 4. Seeing her daughter excluded from a family event where everyone else in the family will be at is absolutely a valid reason not to go. Something is going on here and either OP is leaving a detail out or her sister has a reason for this that she's withholding. But this isn't normal.

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Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

17 going on 18 is hardly a 'child'. But I don't understand when parents flip out about their young children not being included. Back in the mid 70s I was excluded from an older cousin's wedding. I was 11. My parents got a room in the hotel where the reception was gonna be, set me up with some magazines, puzzle books and TV, and various relatives came up to check on me from time to time. It was awesome. No one else w/ young kids who attended the wedding complained that their children weren't invited either. No big deal.

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Terry Step
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If it's a child free wedding do I get a baby shower pass on there first born.

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tracy black
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

one of my sons is very very quite always has been he barely says anything to anyone hes always been that way no trauma no family issues just very quite but thats okay cause the other 3 three talk enough for him and his wife is a constant chatterbox lol

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joann fielding
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely NTA.My take is that it's possibly due to jealousy. The sister doesn't want a young, appealing woman taking away attention from her on 'her day.' It's telling that teenage BOYS may attend. Bridezilla, imo.

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antoinette maldari
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hey, the OP is the brides SISTER AND MOH. Didn't the bride know that her own sister, who SHE chose as MOH had a minor child? Why would she ask the OP if she knew that she was not going to invite her daughter AND her SISTER would not be happy with that?

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Ervin Conn
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How many times has she been married? I woiuld just say "I will skip this one and catch the next one".

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Octavius Ceasar
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

eh, the bride wants all the attention to herself, and the 17y/o girl is a competition from the attention of the boys. it's her wedding indeed so she can set any rule, but it's also your call to not attend if you don't want to.

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Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean it COULD be a drinking thing if not in America bit it could be the familt being dìcks- not enough information to tell

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agermanhome
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anything "child free" is fashionable, she needed a kid she could exclude so she could do what all the cool people are doing these days. Honestly. I have been to some weddings, at all of them there were children of all ages, not one child displayed "disruptive behavior". Parents of toddlers know when to leave the room for a while. With teenagers, even close to adulthood, I really cannot see any other explanation that that she wanted to be trendy and tell everyone "yeah, I kept my wedding child free, you know".

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Patti Hampton
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the sister is jealous. Of you and possibly your daughter, also. She wanted to hurt you. Your daughter is the ONLY one being excluded from this wedding and I would've been majorly offended by that. For the one who posted something about 'alcohol' being at the venue, etc., they're forgetting that the 'boys' in the family 18-21 are attending without issue. I don't know where the setting is for this wedding, but most places reserve drinking to those OVER 21. So that's not the issue. The 18 year old are not of legal drinking age. I'm with the Mom... she did the right thing by her daughter and if her sister doesn't like it - tough. It's possible this was her way of also excluding her sister from the wedding party. She sounds totally jealous.

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Abraxas59
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

17 is NOT child 😂 the better way to put on invites would have been no under 18s thats reasonable n ive got a 20 n 23 yrold kids i,ll always call em my kids cos thats exactly what they are 🤷‍♀️😂but nta i can imagine your lass feeling very hated not wanted by your sister n very left out glad you said no your sisters fault entirely

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Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its never going to make sense to me how someone can demand attendance to something like a wedding and demand it be EXACTLY the way their demented vision is. And cant grasp other people saying no. 18+ wedding? Okay cool. And I get to say no and not go. Its ridiculously simple.

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Mike m
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So much wedding drama on BP. I have a strict rule. I don't go to weddings. Period.

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Steve Hall
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is the bride and groom's choice, the guests don't get to decide who is invited. You don't have to like the reasoning, but you do have to respect their wishes.

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Damned_Cat
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is one of those stories where there just HAS to be more to it than what we are told. Is this a quiet young lady that just sits and stares innocently at everything going on or is this an uncommunicative teen that slumps in their chair and sullenly sneers at everything? Sometimes parents get used to their kids' personalities and aren't in tune to the vibe they are throwing off. It's just a thought, because as I said, there has to be more to it.

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Aline
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seems unlikely the daughter has been targeted as a non-invitee (despite claims of OP, really unlikely that on both sides of the family and through the intimate friend group no one else has a child or sibling under 18) but even if it is targeted, thats ok. They had a plausible excuse. Maybe the couple just don't like OPs kid. It's their wedding, they don't have to cut someone from the list to accomodate someone they don't like. Instead of accepting it and moving on, OP is going to fuss until they come out and say it, and even more drama will ensue. But I suspect they expected this type of reaction and are hoping to get a regrets note in the RSVP. The bride would know just how to get her sister to stay away.

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Aline
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't imagine the kid actually wants to go. There will be no one near her age and the aunt clearly doesn't want her there. OP says herself they aren't close. That's fine, it's a very small wedding, only invite people you are close to. To only invite 30 people, you have to be pretty savage with the guest list. If not inviting anyone under 18 helps, so be it. OP sounds really confident that it's only her daughter that's excluded but statistically that's unlikely, and also unlikely she knows the groom's family/friend situation. She just wants to be angry. Hopefully she does skip the wedding.

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Otto Katz
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her boy cousins will be there, 18-21 years old. She wouldn't be alone. Aunt is being a c**t.

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Alex Mosby
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly would not want a bunch of 16-22 year olds at my wedding either. But this seems like the sister may be way to caught up in wedding stress to see how silly this is especially since it's ONLY family in attendance. If it were a massive wedding with friends and coworkers the I'd understand.

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Guess Undheit
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whose wedding it is? That's who decides. If you don't like it, don't go, and act like an adult about it. Politely decline instead of throwing a tantrum.

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Under 18 is a child. 18 an over a young adult. 21 an adult. So maybe it's about the language or drinking that would occur. Honestly big ado over a kid that could stay home. You said second wedding? Well then your kid should be old enough for the 3rd eventually. lol. But if it's your hill to die on and ostricate yourself from your family it's up to you. I'll why it's a big deal to include your child in this. Go or don't go. But don't get pissed because she said no to your child but yes to others. Seating and cost and maybe your child wouldn't have as much fun as the quiet one a she was just being frugal.

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Justin Smith
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. The sister is a c**t targeting one member of her family. Banning them from a wedding because they are 17. Mind you that the girl is probably more mature thena bunch of "young adult" men.

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Maybe they want everyone of legal drinking age for the venue, maybe they just don't feel comfortable celebrating with the younger generation there, maybe numbers are really tight or maybe if OPs daughter comes, someone else's will too. But it doesn't matter, someone who is as much of a self crusader as OP isn't going to be any fun at the wedding. Maybe this was the best way to get her not to come.

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did you read the *whole* thing? 3 boys ages 18-21 were invited. The only complaint the bride made about the *only* person being excluded is that she's "too quiet". How would you feel if you were the *only* relative not invited to such a milestone family event? Yes, the couple getting married have every right to exclude whomever they wish. But such decisions come w/ consequences that *they alone* should bear. No fair undermining a teen's confidence or ability to trust by DEMANDING that her parents join in the petty, needless & mean-spirited exclusion. Go back & read the entire thing, then put yourself in that teen's shoes. It's called Compassion. There's not enough of it in this world, nor in some families. ☹

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Why do people feel like their kids need to be included in EVERYTHING? YTA, not your weeding, when it's yours, you can invite who you like and exclude whoever you like.

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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you’re missing the point. It’s not that kids should be invited to everything. No rational person thinks that. But when a family of 30 has ANY event, including with adult teens 18 & 19, specifically excluding one and only family member to some pedantic semantics is wholly targeted. It’s abusing a notion or wording or technicality (in this case the absurd & 100% not true idea people feel their kids should be included in everything) to justify excluding one precise, specific, known individual. And my guess is because she’s either really pretty & the bride finds this threat or she knows this “young adult” is her fiancé’s “type.” Just because a visible & very very small minority panders to their kids doesn’t make your statement remotely accurate. The extremely vast majority of parents don’t believe their kids should be invited everywhere. I’d even say it’s safe to guess 95% of all parents don’t believe their kids should be invited everywhere.

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As silly as this sounds, it's the sister's wedding so it's her guest list. If she chose to exclude just her niece that's her business. The OP just has to accept it. If the OP chooses to boycott the wedding in support of her daughter, that's her choice as well. I'm guessing there's more at play than a 17 yo being excluded.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, her sister has the right to exclude guests. But similarly, the OP has the right to not attend, WITHOUT being called an a*****e "for not supporting her". Amazing how many "her wedding, her choice" comments ignore that part.

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one of the comments said tell her you dont have child care i pretty sure you dont need childcare for a 17 year old

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Lisa T
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was a joke. Saying she can’t get childcare for the “child”, because they are treating the almost 18 year old like a child

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you are going to have a childfree wedding you cannot complain when your friends and family with children don't come.

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People with children go to events and activities without the kids all time. To name a few that people in my immediate family just this summer have left kids at home for: triathlon, basketball tournament, charity dinner, high school reunion, night out with friends, cinema, food festival, beer festival, musical. Maybe parents leave earlier for logistics, but there's no reason for parents to take children to events that aren't for children. Pretending a wedding is different is just to cause drama. It's like caring what the guests are wearing or what gifts people bring. Just small people trying to make big waves.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My kid was away at college before she turned 17, and these YTA dorks believe that she was too young to be allowed to be at a wedding. Morons. Hell, I started my basic training in the military at the ripe old age of 18 years a 13 days, so I guess that I was old enough to be trusted with weapons of mass destruction, but not with a glass of champagne and wedding centerpieces. As I wrote - morons.

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Mary Lou
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I also love the reasoning about teenagers testing their limits - like what are the chances that the quiet shy 17year old girl will test her limits rather than the 18-20 year old bunch of guys?

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arthbach
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A friend who lived in France was invited to her father's 5th wedding. The wedding was in the USA. My friend's children were not invited. She declined the invitation as she was not going to leave her children behind. . When pressed to come, she replied she'd give this wedding a miss, but she'd be sure to come to the next one. - - - - Perhaps a similar response was needed in this story.

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Bernd Herbert
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Childfree shouldn't apply to a 17-year old. Here in Germany you're allowed to get a driver's license and drink beer and wine. That's not a child

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XenoMurph
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep, my 16 yr old will compare the lyrics of Pink Flloyd vs Taylor Swift (don't judge) over a couple of beers. Not a child. There's a bigger reason this person was excluded.

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Dainty72
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those people that are saying YTA ARE TA's it's only one girl who turns 18 a month after and this is absolutely deliberate! The others are boys between 18 and 21 she also the only girl. This is not being a cry baby (to the person who wrote that) you all would do exactly the same and think "it's MY day and MY rules= bridezilla's. If this was you, you'd be feeling very different! You "YTA" commenters are just nasty like this MF sister. I'm btw I'm all for child free, but this isn't the same at all. People who are like this haven't/wont feel a little bit sorry, disgusting!!! These aren't nice people if they can exclude their niece knowing it's ONLY HER that can't go. Have a heart and understand how this may effect her, especially because she's quiet? Horrible b***h!!! DON'T GO TO THIS WEDDING! If you do, that girl will be sitting by herself wondering what TF has she done? NTA by a long way! Ignore people trolling calling you names, they're as bad as your sister! The troll brigade!!!!!

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You're 100% correct. Imagine that poor kid crying alone at home, wondering why her entire family hates her. Like being a teenaged girl isn't difficult enough already. This Grandma-to-be wants to send her a Giant Hug. 💙

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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was just at a wedding last week and I now understand why someone wouldn't want toddlers at their wedding. It's not pretty when a very young child has a complete meltdown during the bride's entrance, in the middle of the vows, during pictures, etc. I think we clocked in at 5 tantrums throughout the ceremony and unfortunately due to the setting the parents couldn't just remove the child. But in my view the point of a "child-free" wedding is to minimise disruption. A 17-year-old is perfectly capable of understanding appropriate behaviour. If they don't, then you absolutely do have the right to exclude them from your event. To do it on a basis of "just because", especially at such a small wedding is petty.

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Trillian
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I totally agree about child-free weddings being fine but the main problem is actually the parents, not the toddler here. They need to take the kid outside the minute they start crying ffs. I used to take my daughter along to events but I or her dad would always stand close to the entrance in case we had to do this.

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martin734
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What is it with Americans infantilising their kids for so long? A 17 year old is not a child and should not be treated like one. I can understand a childfree wedding excluding those under 16 but excluding a 17 year old is ridiculous, she could be going to her own weddung in a few months ffs!

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not about anyone truly believing that this quiet 17 y.o. girl is somehow "too childish" to attend a wedding that her 18-21 y.o. male cousins have been invited to. It's either about a sister who's really more of a "frenemy" (as well as a Terrible aunt), or else is beyond-jealous & suffering from NPD (while causing an innocent teen to suffer the effects of it, as well). So glad this Mom stood up for her kid. I love the comment about declining b/c she couldn't find "childcare" for that day. Great response. The "5th wedding" reply was spot-on, too. I don't understand why some folks get a charge out of being purposely cruel or spiteful. Esp. w/ family. It's just sad, really. And pointless.

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Mr. Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This sounds like something my sister would pull and she'd do it just to be mean. My mother would have pulled something like this as well and she'd do it just to be mean. I was the target of c**p like this growing up and it was all just to be mean. Stop trying to figure out what's wrong with the 17yo and start wondering my this adult is so threatened by her.

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Mr. Jones
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The comment about alcohol was just plain stupid. Weddings serve alcohol with kids at them all the time. They said there will 18-21yos there, but the drinking age is 21 so the other 18-20yos would be a problem, too.

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Soulstorm brew
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't ever want to meet these YTA people. Not just from this story either.

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CatWoman1014
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s her wedding and has a right to have whatever rules she wants, but she also needs to know those rules can cause others to not want to come. I don’t blame op for not attending in this case especially since it’s seems pretty obvious sister is purposely excluding op’s daughter

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Cathy Lemay
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A 17 year old is hardly a "child". They're minors but can control themselves. Sis is being petty.

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xolitaire
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people are really reaching. They simply go by "Their wedding, their shots", but to come to that conclusion you must have tl:dr'd the entire thing

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Wysteria_Rose
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I hear child-free, I picture infants to maybe ten years old, not older teens. I think it's quite odd to exclude someone about to be a legal adult.

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Couragetcd
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

First, OP is definitely NTA. But more importantly, where the heck is the tantrum mentioned in the title and by the YTA'ers? She called her sister for clarification, pointed out the no kids rule only applies to her daughter, so it was targeted, and declined to go in support of her daughter. No stomping or screaming or trying to get everyone to shun her sister or extreme behavior noted. Sucks for the sister that she lost her MOH, but she FAFO. OP is a good mom. Case closed.

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KimB
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay even if OP is worried about underage drinking why can't the 17 year old go to the wedding ceremony? She is immediate family after all. I think there's a bigger issue we aren't being told about.

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MR
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

1. 17, nearly 18, isn't a child. 2. If there were a reasonable explanation to exclude a single family member, you really do owe that person that explanation. And simply blanketing "child free" isn't at all a good enough. 3. Calling and asking about it, isn't unreasonable. 4. Seeing her daughter excluded from a family event where everyone else in the family will be at is absolutely a valid reason not to go. Something is going on here and either OP is leaving a detail out or her sister has a reason for this that she's withholding. But this isn't normal.

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Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

17 going on 18 is hardly a 'child'. But I don't understand when parents flip out about their young children not being included. Back in the mid 70s I was excluded from an older cousin's wedding. I was 11. My parents got a room in the hotel where the reception was gonna be, set me up with some magazines, puzzle books and TV, and various relatives came up to check on me from time to time. It was awesome. No one else w/ young kids who attended the wedding complained that their children weren't invited either. No big deal.

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Terry Step
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If it's a child free wedding do I get a baby shower pass on there first born.

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tracy black
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

one of my sons is very very quite always has been he barely says anything to anyone hes always been that way no trauma no family issues just very quite but thats okay cause the other 3 three talk enough for him and his wife is a constant chatterbox lol

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joann fielding
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Definitely NTA.My take is that it's possibly due to jealousy. The sister doesn't want a young, appealing woman taking away attention from her on 'her day.' It's telling that teenage BOYS may attend. Bridezilla, imo.

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antoinette maldari
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hey, the OP is the brides SISTER AND MOH. Didn't the bride know that her own sister, who SHE chose as MOH had a minor child? Why would she ask the OP if she knew that she was not going to invite her daughter AND her SISTER would not be happy with that?

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Ervin Conn
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How many times has she been married? I woiuld just say "I will skip this one and catch the next one".

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Octavius Ceasar
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

eh, the bride wants all the attention to herself, and the 17y/o girl is a competition from the attention of the boys. it's her wedding indeed so she can set any rule, but it's also your call to not attend if you don't want to.

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Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I mean it COULD be a drinking thing if not in America bit it could be the familt being dìcks- not enough information to tell

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agermanhome
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anything "child free" is fashionable, she needed a kid she could exclude so she could do what all the cool people are doing these days. Honestly. I have been to some weddings, at all of them there were children of all ages, not one child displayed "disruptive behavior". Parents of toddlers know when to leave the room for a while. With teenagers, even close to adulthood, I really cannot see any other explanation that that she wanted to be trendy and tell everyone "yeah, I kept my wedding child free, you know".

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Patti Hampton
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think the sister is jealous. Of you and possibly your daughter, also. She wanted to hurt you. Your daughter is the ONLY one being excluded from this wedding and I would've been majorly offended by that. For the one who posted something about 'alcohol' being at the venue, etc., they're forgetting that the 'boys' in the family 18-21 are attending without issue. I don't know where the setting is for this wedding, but most places reserve drinking to those OVER 21. So that's not the issue. The 18 year old are not of legal drinking age. I'm with the Mom... she did the right thing by her daughter and if her sister doesn't like it - tough. It's possible this was her way of also excluding her sister from the wedding party. She sounds totally jealous.

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Abraxas59
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

17 is NOT child 😂 the better way to put on invites would have been no under 18s thats reasonable n ive got a 20 n 23 yrold kids i,ll always call em my kids cos thats exactly what they are 🤷‍♀️😂but nta i can imagine your lass feeling very hated not wanted by your sister n very left out glad you said no your sisters fault entirely

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Fox with a Dragon Tattoo
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its never going to make sense to me how someone can demand attendance to something like a wedding and demand it be EXACTLY the way their demented vision is. And cant grasp other people saying no. 18+ wedding? Okay cool. And I get to say no and not go. Its ridiculously simple.

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Mike m
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So much wedding drama on BP. I have a strict rule. I don't go to weddings. Period.

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Steve Hall
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is the bride and groom's choice, the guests don't get to decide who is invited. You don't have to like the reasoning, but you do have to respect their wishes.

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Damned_Cat
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is one of those stories where there just HAS to be more to it than what we are told. Is this a quiet young lady that just sits and stares innocently at everything going on or is this an uncommunicative teen that slumps in their chair and sullenly sneers at everything? Sometimes parents get used to their kids' personalities and aren't in tune to the vibe they are throwing off. It's just a thought, because as I said, there has to be more to it.

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Aline
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seems unlikely the daughter has been targeted as a non-invitee (despite claims of OP, really unlikely that on both sides of the family and through the intimate friend group no one else has a child or sibling under 18) but even if it is targeted, thats ok. They had a plausible excuse. Maybe the couple just don't like OPs kid. It's their wedding, they don't have to cut someone from the list to accomodate someone they don't like. Instead of accepting it and moving on, OP is going to fuss until they come out and say it, and even more drama will ensue. But I suspect they expected this type of reaction and are hoping to get a regrets note in the RSVP. The bride would know just how to get her sister to stay away.

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Aline
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can't imagine the kid actually wants to go. There will be no one near her age and the aunt clearly doesn't want her there. OP says herself they aren't close. That's fine, it's a very small wedding, only invite people you are close to. To only invite 30 people, you have to be pretty savage with the guest list. If not inviting anyone under 18 helps, so be it. OP sounds really confident that it's only her daughter that's excluded but statistically that's unlikely, and also unlikely she knows the groom's family/friend situation. She just wants to be angry. Hopefully she does skip the wedding.

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Otto Katz
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Her boy cousins will be there, 18-21 years old. She wouldn't be alone. Aunt is being a c**t.

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Alex Mosby
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I honestly would not want a bunch of 16-22 year olds at my wedding either. But this seems like the sister may be way to caught up in wedding stress to see how silly this is especially since it's ONLY family in attendance. If it were a massive wedding with friends and coworkers the I'd understand.

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Guess Undheit
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whose wedding it is? That's who decides. If you don't like it, don't go, and act like an adult about it. Politely decline instead of throwing a tantrum.

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Under 18 is a child. 18 an over a young adult. 21 an adult. So maybe it's about the language or drinking that would occur. Honestly big ado over a kid that could stay home. You said second wedding? Well then your kid should be old enough for the 3rd eventually. lol. But if it's your hill to die on and ostricate yourself from your family it's up to you. I'll why it's a big deal to include your child in this. Go or don't go. But don't get pissed because she said no to your child but yes to others. Seating and cost and maybe your child wouldn't have as much fun as the quiet one a she was just being frugal.

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Justin Smith
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No. The sister is a c**t targeting one member of her family. Banning them from a wedding because they are 17. Mind you that the girl is probably more mature thena bunch of "young adult" men.

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Maybe they want everyone of legal drinking age for the venue, maybe they just don't feel comfortable celebrating with the younger generation there, maybe numbers are really tight or maybe if OPs daughter comes, someone else's will too. But it doesn't matter, someone who is as much of a self crusader as OP isn't going to be any fun at the wedding. Maybe this was the best way to get her not to come.

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Wendy Herman
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Did you read the *whole* thing? 3 boys ages 18-21 were invited. The only complaint the bride made about the *only* person being excluded is that she's "too quiet". How would you feel if you were the *only* relative not invited to such a milestone family event? Yes, the couple getting married have every right to exclude whomever they wish. But such decisions come w/ consequences that *they alone* should bear. No fair undermining a teen's confidence or ability to trust by DEMANDING that her parents join in the petty, needless & mean-spirited exclusion. Go back & read the entire thing, then put yourself in that teen's shoes. It's called Compassion. There's not enough of it in this world, nor in some families. ☹

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Why do people feel like their kids need to be included in EVERYTHING? YTA, not your weeding, when it's yours, you can invite who you like and exclude whoever you like.

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ॐBoyGanesh
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you’re missing the point. It’s not that kids should be invited to everything. No rational person thinks that. But when a family of 30 has ANY event, including with adult teens 18 & 19, specifically excluding one and only family member to some pedantic semantics is wholly targeted. It’s abusing a notion or wording or technicality (in this case the absurd & 100% not true idea people feel their kids should be included in everything) to justify excluding one precise, specific, known individual. And my guess is because she’s either really pretty & the bride finds this threat or she knows this “young adult” is her fiancé’s “type.” Just because a visible & very very small minority panders to their kids doesn’t make your statement remotely accurate. The extremely vast majority of parents don’t believe their kids should be invited everywhere. I’d even say it’s safe to guess 95% of all parents don’t believe their kids should be invited everywhere.

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As silly as this sounds, it's the sister's wedding so it's her guest list. If she chose to exclude just her niece that's her business. The OP just has to accept it. If the OP chooses to boycott the wedding in support of her daughter, that's her choice as well. I'm guessing there's more at play than a 17 yo being excluded.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, her sister has the right to exclude guests. But similarly, the OP has the right to not attend, WITHOUT being called an a*****e "for not supporting her". Amazing how many "her wedding, her choice" comments ignore that part.

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one of the comments said tell her you dont have child care i pretty sure you dont need childcare for a 17 year old

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Lisa T
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It was a joke. Saying she can’t get childcare for the “child”, because they are treating the almost 18 year old like a child

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