Millennials Share 30 Things They Wish Older Generations Understood In This Heartbreaking Viral Thread
Recently, Redditor u/AlmostBarbie reignited the never-dying discussion on the generation gap. On July 18, they made a post, asking, "Gen Z and millennials, what's something you wish the older generations understood?" and millennials especially had a to get off their chest.
Just as millennials grew up negotiating choices in their families and at school, today they want to be and feel significant in their professional and personal lives. Here are the things that matter to them the most.
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Just because someone is Family DOES NOT MEAN YOU HAVE TO LOVE THEM. Terrible toxic people should ABSOLUTELY be cut out of your life REGARDLESS of their relationship to you
I've said it twice and will say it a third time, home is where you belong, and family is who you feel at home with.
Load More Replies...Absolutely true. Just because they wanted to give birth to you doesn't mean they're good at raising you, and also doesn't mean you owe them ANYTHING.
Hmmm... But if they are good parents, support you, feed you good food, raise you right and tolerant and make you happy most of the time? While I don't see it as "owing", I think there's a bit of debt there. Sure, you didn't choose to be there but let's say a little bit of respect is warranted. Again I repeat: if they are good parents! Shitty parents (or shitty relatives) don't deserve respect.
Load More Replies...And family doesn't end with blood either, you can make your own. And you do not have to give any relative a hug or a kiss if you don't want to.
The vast majority of these aren't. But we MUST, **MUST** have divisiveness between generations, for Reasons!!!
Load More Replies...I have been saying this for years. If your friends and family don't love and support you why are they your friends and family?
Fox News and Talk Radio did to you what you thought video games would do to us.
RE: DD - Genius: kind of in the way the saying 'if you have to ask, you can't afford it' means.
Load More Replies...Gen X’er here, and I think they’re confusing “conservatives” with “older generations…” 🤦🏽♀️
they're probably basing that off the demographics evident by the commercials shown: adult diapers and erectile dysfunction medicine.
Load More Replies...If you're in the US, look up the history of the Fairness Doctrine. Then look up the rise of right-wing media. I watched it happen in real time with my parents. They are not the same people who raised me.
I've noticed that also. Forefathers knew this was a problem that's why they use to allow only so many media outlets per ownership per market places. It's the same as locking a person in solitary confinement. One mind, one person. Any person will go insane w/o some new or varying stimulus.
Load More Replies...I find that all those generation tags don't mean much. They were created by advertising. No two person's circumstances or values are the same.
Load More Replies...Not to all older people, some of us are able to think for ourselves
Your s****y jokes that objectify women or make fun of minorities won’t fly anymore. Get over it.
Someone should take this statement and tape it right into my father's face. He seems to only know 10 jokes, and all of them are either sexist or racist.
This entire idiotic post is nothing but generalizations. Most of them way off target.
Load More Replies...This one isn't fair though. We don't get to choose our sense of humour any more than we get to choose who or what we are attracted to. If we're allowed to make dark jokes we're allowed to make objectifying jokes. If we're allowed to make stupid jokes we're allowed to make stereotype jokes. If we're allowed to make animal jokes, we can sure as hell make sexist jokes. Get over it.
I'm all for freedom of jokes. I'm a fan of satire, which - when done right -usually offends someone (as intended) There are a few exceptions, though: not conclusively, genocide (especially Holocaust)and rape should not be jokes. With dark jokes, there's a fine line that you can walk and sometimes there's great dark, twisted jokes with subjects that shouldn't be joked about. But it needs really clever joksters to make it right and there's too many crude, shitty jokers out there. And of course they can make those jokes... But it should be accepted that they'll get backlash, too. Basically, I try to work like this: Would I tell this joke to the face of the person that is part of the group which is the butt of the joke? If so, would it make them laugh? Or rather want to punch me. If first answer is "no" or second answer is "punch", I'll just keep my trap shut
Load More Replies...It is on BP anyway. Especially if in addition to being white, you're also American, male and over 60.
Load More Replies...I don't know why you're being downvoted. I guess people are miseeading your comment and/or doing the 'hit downvote because other people already did and I must conform' thing that seems to go on.
Load More Replies...Not referring to this crap in particular, but the whole topic, Millennials against the older yadda yadda is just about the most stupid thing boredpanda has ever bothered sharing.
When I’m depressed that doesn’t mean you need to give me lectures on what’s wrong with me so I can improve
The worst lecture I received was how they had life far worse than me, felt more depressed and yet never behaved like me. How I am weak and allowed circumstances and recent media hype over mental illness to make me feel sick deliberately!
I had a psychiatrist tell me how people in X country had it worse than me and called it 'doing CBT to me'.
Load More Replies...This crosses all generations. Gen X (me) got it. Boomers got it. I think it's just a toxic part of (US?) culture ---- how dare you not be happy!
Fair enough, we can offer you the tools to seek help but depression doesn't give a person to be unkind or entitled.
Depressed and Depression are two different things. This post was actually for people like you and your upvoters.
Load More Replies...My sister said to me 'when are you going to start doing something to help yourself' when I was bad with depression. I'd been assessed for CBT, had talking therapy, was seeing a psychiatrist and was on anti-depressants. She felt that she was an expert on depression as she had talking therapy when she was dumped by her boyfriend. Hers was referred to as situational depression and mine was clinical depression. She couldn't understand that she was probably going to get better over time (as that tends to be the case - it's a crappy life event and we all get them) and I may not. Or that we all vary.
I have had this all my life, well since I was 7. No it does not help and leaves a person leading a sad life.
Juts go out and do something fun. Yeah, thanks, that will cure my mental illness.
I see a BUNCH of Family & Friends posting things that say "If you're ever sad or feel bad PLEASE call me- I'm there for you." but ONCE... just once- I posted; "I'm at the end of my rope & I don't know whether to tie a knot or a noose!" I ended up getting a TON of "How DARE you! Do you know how many Family/Friends we've lost to suicide! You're horrible." type of F-en comments for it... I replied; "TO EVERYONE WHO IS VERBALLY BASHING/ KICKING ME WHEN I'M ALREADY DOWN... YOU KNOW WHY THEY KILLED THEMSELVES? IGNORANT. TWO-FACED, POS, FU*KS LIKE YOU!" I'll NEVER trust any of them again.
Yeah, we know. You rode in the back window of a car that had no seatbelts, you got measles, rode bikes with no helmets, and still turned out just fine.
Just because you happened to be in the group of people who survived doesn’t mean any of these were a good idea.
Those "In my days things were better" people. NO things were not better, just different AND we have better medicines, technology, transport etc. YES you did fine without them but we are doing better WITH them !
In my day, we didn't have rocks. They weren't invented yet. We had to wash our clothes by beating our heads against them at the river.
Load More Replies...Umm.... I never got measles, I was GenX, and we were vaccinated. We had seatbelts. We should've had helmets and knee pads. We're *why* they came about, I think,, simply b/c we're the idiots who started doing those tricks (speaking as an idiot)
Shhhh! Don't tell them about Gen X or they might find a reason to post complaints about our shortcomings, too! Run! Hide! (also, wear your seatbelt and eat your vegetables)
Load More Replies...I keep on hearing old people saying "we didn't have these things in my day and I turned out fine". Yet I never hear old people saying otherwise... I wonder why? Oh yeah, I know, because the ones that didn't "turn out fine" are DEAD and can't comment on message boards. Car accidents are STILL the #1 cause of death for kids. Wear a damn seat-belt.
In the future you New Generations are Dead, Even though I'm 35, Security is Important, Remember, I Hate Those Who Despise Boomers, Counterattack with This: "Ok, Digital Fool!" You Are Building Your House On The Sand, Dear, It Is True That Technology Makes You Stupid (No Offense) Use Too Much, A Little Bit Okay, When The Solar Storm Comes That Will Cause A Blackout Even World That Lasts 10 Years, Goodbye Technologies, later you will become like us "Boomers" HA! Now you will laugh that you find this comment ridiculous but in the future you will cry bitterly! GUARANTEED, You must not despise the elders, you will regret it bitterly! They will amaze you with what you can imagine!
Load More Replies...I accidentally burned my hand on an oven when I was a child. I turned out fine. Therefore, every child should burn their hand on an oven.
I agree, but I also think that we've become fear junkies, and the media exploits this by over-hyping the danger of too many things, like letting your kids play outside. Example: I saw a news story the other day about why you should NEVER let children have chickens as pets, because they could die from salmonella poisoning. Never mind that kids on farms have been raising chickens for centuries. Sometimes a little historical perspective can help with your risk assessment.
The middle ages also had people who turned 85. Exactly those who did not die a premature, horrible death, let alone first of all survived infancy. Those who say "it was better in the old times" are pretty much always wrong.
That first sentence is often overlooked by people who dont fully appreciate how averages work. Specifically the average life expectancy being about 35, when this average is brought down by a) the number of children people were having, and b) the number of those children who died before the age of 5. If you were lucky enough to make it to your teens, your chances of living into your 50's went up. There were plenty of people in the middle ages who were (by our modern measurements) middle aged.
Load More Replies...And many things that ARE safe are made unsafe in the name of wh0ring for likes on SM.
Load More Replies...Car safety was still a thing. My mom always made me wear a seatbelt. Still able to lay down in the backseat but I was still buckled in. The older generations that I've come across are all very safety conscious. I'm still required to squeeze my head in an equestrian helmet when I go horseback riding.
i agree that many things are far better today, but i wouldn't trade playing outside all day and evening, all year round, for anything. "real play" -- that's what we had.
What you're saying is just not true. I'm a boomer and boomers simply don't say the kinds of things you claim we do. I know that when I was raising my kids, I and my peers were extremely safety conscious. We always used seat belts and car seats and demanded air bags. We lined up to vaccinate our kids and we insisted on helmets, etc. etc. Indeed, boomers were accused of being too protective. It's the generation before boomers that had the casual attitude towards safety, not boomers.
Customers ARE NOT always right.
The original phrase reeks privilege, and self entitlement.
The original phrase is "The customer is always right in matters of taste"
Which makes total sense since the staff aren't meant to question what a customer likes and dislikes....if only everyone knew the original phrase in today's world.
Load More Replies..."The original phrase reeks privilege, and self entitlement." No it doesn't. It say they are always right in matters of taste. In simpler words, if they want to buy that sweater which you think is ugly as 10 mofos you let them. As long as they think it looks good (matters of taste) you take the sale and move on.
You're not supposed to take it literally. It's meant to promote good customer service.
No, it isn't. The full saying is "The customer is always right in matters of taste." The way it's usually said, without the last phrase, is just a shorthand. It's not about good customer service. It has nothing to do with bending over backwards to accommodate a demanding customer. It just means, for example, that if you're a painter and the customer wants green polka dots on a purple background all over their living room walls, you say, "Excellent choice!"
Load More Replies...My accounting practice had clients that were hired as contractors and they literally stole from us. We fired them, but it didn't even begin to recoup the losses.
Load More Replies...Because the companies let them. If managers were told to side with the staff instead of the customers when there's a dispute it would soon change. But customers are regarded to be a greater asset than staff.
Load More Replies...It's been in use for over a hundred years, so the generation behind it is no longer alive, just saying.
Shh! You're wrecking the "Millennials and Zoomers Against The World" narrative!
Load More Replies...Maybe not but in different countries service staff act differently, in the UK they should be more polite and do their job.
That video games dont cause mass shootings. Things like neglect, bullying,a bad home life, and your s****y parenting are what causes mass shootings
Blaming something else is a rather old issue. It was Dungeons & Dragons in the 80s. Rock music before that.
Don't tell 'em that there are Dungeons and Dragons video games with rock music soundtracks ;)
Load More Replies...George Carlin pointed out that if violent movies made kids violent, why doesn't a funny movie make kids funny?
To be fair, it was never the generation itself making those claims. It was the *politicians* of the generation that were making those claims.
Also emotionally unstable teenagers with access to firearms because you can't be bothered to put them in a safe.
The second amendment that spiraled out of control causes mass shootings. I'm quite sure when the founding fathers wrote that amendment they didn't have psychopaths with assault rifles and 1000 rounds of ammo in mind. But it's the boomers who feel that it's there constitutional right to own more arms than the Swiss Army does and don't you dare propose some sort of gun control.
....and Wayne LaPeirre. He turned the NRA from an organization that promoted gun safety and smart gun control laws to the organization it has become now, in which the idea of guns is more important than the humans around it.
Load More Replies...I don't think there were any video games around when that guy walked into a kindergarten with a flamethrower.
This isn't new 😂 "Older" generations were getting the same s**t for playing Doom.
And guns. There are no mass shootings every week in places where guns are regulated. Americans...
Yep, well, it can only go back as far as the creation of video games really - was that Gen X? Sorry, had a hard day and my brain has become fog!
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You can’t put yourself through college by working at the supermarket anymore.
Our generation is the biggest in US history, so competition for jobs is much harder than it was for Boomers, which causes wages to flatline.
Add to this that housing and food costs are at all time highs and it’s pretty bleak for us, even many of those who have good jobs at Fortune 500 companies cannot afford to purchase homes.
I would really just like Boomers for ONCE just to acknowledge how difficult it is today vs. when they were coming up. It’s a different world and they just can’t see it. It’s very frustrating because most of them still think that anybody willing to swing a hammer 40 hours a week can make a living in America and it’s just not true anymore.
Wait until the boomers all die and the housing market crashes because of the massive surplus.
Referring to a generation that way is useless, creates division. Most of my boomer friends (who haven't already died, of course) are still living in apartments, some of them still working full-time, many of them only working part-time. Some disabled. The gap is not between the generations, it's between the rich exploiters, plunderers, and the ordinary people trying to survive.
Load More Replies...If you'd worked at the supermarket pictured, you'd be fine, because that's in Norway.
"willing to swing a hammer" How many of your generation go to college because they think they are too good to swing a hammer? Irony is the fact that your peer hauling trash or fixing other people's toilets make more than you because they are willing to do this menial work. And they didn't have to go into soul killing debt to make it happen.
agree 100% I moved out of my parent's home at 17! was able to pay the bills by working at Sizzler's ! My children worked from the time they were legally able to and could not afford to move out on their own until their late 20's.
It's not entirely true that previous generations could put themselves through college that way either. Boomers often conveniently forget that they had a lot of financial help from their own parents. That's because at that time, even non-college educated blue collar workers could afford to save enough money to help their kids with tuition. (Maybe not Ivy League tuition, but at least at a state school.) Today the wealth gap is so wide that a lot of parents struggle just to make ends meet, and more and more kids are forced to take on student loans with usurious terms. Poverty begets poverty.
"With usurious terms" in the correct phrase. I had student loans, but the interest was 3 % or some such ridiculous rate. Now it is literally loan shark rate. In the 70s , interest rates were capped at something like 15% because anything higher was considered loan sharking and was criminal offense.
Load More Replies...The boomers I know were a generation of poverty. 3 childten to 1 bed. Only eating potatoes for months. Teeth extracted because it was $5 va a filling that was $6. Putting kids into children's homes/orphanages for a few months when they couldn't afford to feed them. I happen to be talking about white & mixed individuals, in those cases, but the color of their skin shouldn't matter. People have no clue how good they have things. They'd rather concentrate on hating certain races & thinking people are "owed" something for nothing... instead of realizing living, growing, & learning together is the way to real equality.
The Boomers were born in the 50s and 60s - are you sure you're talking about the Boomers?
Load More Replies...No way in hell could I have paid for college at $1.65/hour. Then Wachovia cheated me on my loan payback. My first job was $5700/yr and I found cheap housing, walked to work. It's so strange to me that you young people don't seem to know what you are talking about. I wish just once millennials wouldn't say boomers had it easier and don't understand how hard it is today. My parents lived through the depression, they knew what hard was and I learned from them. Why is this a competition?
Not all of us so called Boomers think that way. Many of us saw the writing on the wall years ago and tried to prepare our children. It's pretty sad that many kids are waiting for their parents to die in order to get ahead lol. The cost of life is not something we can control for our kids, I hate that in order for them to have their starter home it costs half a million. Or that it takes 2 incomes to even live.
There are also Millennials that think that after they graduate from college, they'll be able to buy a house or live in an apartment without roommates. Even though your educated, you're still entry level. If your parents couldn't survive on a single income, neither will you.
That $15/hour in 2021 does not give you the same purchasing power that it did in 1985. When I hear an older person say "I used to get by just fine on $15/hour", I wanna slap them.
In 1985 I was making $3.35 an hour. $15 an hour would have been a fortune.
Load More Replies...Earning $15 an hour in 1985 would be like earning $37 an hour today. I really doubt anyone is telling you that. People know what inflation is.
You would be amazed at how many people do not grasp inflation.
Load More Replies...I made that in 1995 and, yes, I got by decently. It was still in have roommates and drive a cheap used car territory. I lived in an expensive place, though. That job also came with good benefits, and I had graduated university without loans because our state university was still pretty reasonable. In the meanwhile, rent has tripled, my old state uni charges 7x what they did back then, and $15/hr jobs don't come with benefits.
Here's a real-world example. One of my first jobs was at Disneyland back in the late 70s. I made $2.20 an hour. That seems laughable, but back then my rent was around $100 a month, my tuition was $150-200 per year, and gas was about 40 cents a gallon. So I got by on that wage. Today, my rent in that same area would be about $16-1700 per month, gas is over $3 per gallon on average, and tuition at my alma mater is $7000 per year. So in the 70s, my annual pay was about 4500 per year, but rent and tuition came to only 1400, leaving me over $3000 per year for gas, food, etc. Somehow, that was enough. Today, if I was lucky enough to make $15 per hour, my annual pay would be about $30K. My annual rent and tuition would be about $27K. So I'd have about $3K per year left, same as in the 70s. Good luck buying a year's worth of food, gas, etc. on that.
My first job paid ƒ3 an hour (a bit less than 3 euro is now, less than 1,5 euro "back then"). Sounds like nothing, but man did the money last forever and ever. Rent was so much lower, gas and electric, insurance, groceries and so on. Sure the wages were less per hour, but all the stuff you had to spend it on cost so much less too
Load More Replies...THIS. OMG. The buying power of a dollar is crap now. In 1985, that was seriously good wages. Now it's barely-gonna-scrape-by.
My parents, early baby boomers made it on my dad's few bucks an hour cooks wages for a family of 4. Mom got to stay at home. They budgeted but made it. That will never happen again. Us, very tail end of the boomers, early Mill's, we both work, work hard, will continue working until? we die? I worry about our sons.
My wife and I got married in 1992. I had just graduated college, no debt because I was a veteran. We had one child. I was making $10/hour as a chemist. We lived in an apartment at $450/month, no car payment. My wife was stay at home. Now, almost 30 years later, we have raised three sons (one is going to law school, one is a chef, one is going to business school), and live in a 3500 sq.ft. house making $1200/month payments on. No car payment, together we make $70K/year. Only the last 10 years has my wife worked because she wanted to be a teacher. She went to school, had grants and took out a few loans. It doesn't come quick, and that seems to be what is wanted "instant gratification". Sometimes, you have to live below your wants.
Load More Replies...And when we hear you complain about how broke you are while texting on a $800 mobile we want to slap you as well.
A phone is a one-time purchase. It may have been a gift. It may have been second hand. It may have come discounted through your provider with your contract. It may actually come from the government or a nonprofit if you're eligible for one of their programs. Not having a phone does not equal rent. Not having a phone does not make you rich. I'm sick of hearing this argument.
Load More Replies...My husband and I told his parents we wouldn't be buying expensive Christmas gifts one year because we were trying to save money to pay off his student debt... they actually started arguing with us about how his dad made the same amount of money as him at that age and could afford Christmas presents no problem. Talk about entitled (and not understanding what inflation is)
Throughout our schooling, we had to write research papers using online sources, and our teachers really stressed the importance of being able to identify a credible source before citing it. Don't be offended when you send us an article from Americanpatrioteagle.ru and we dismiss it outright.
Learning about credible sources is a great skill to have. A former friend of mine has been posting 10 times a day on Facebook since joining. Lots of dubious "facts" and "news". I kept pointing out inaccuracies and fact-checking sites. After several years, they wrote that they'd like to start consulting fact-checking sites. I was long disengaged by then. I can live with the occasional mistake (I've made them, too), but not a daily barrage that requires fact-checking by the audience.
This has nothing to do with one's generation. Thank you for doing what I also do on a regular basis, sometimes to the point of irritating others. And yes, like you, I've made the occasional mistake myself, so I keep my corrections polite.
Load More Replies...Huh, because my grandparents, parents, myself and my children have all been taught (or are being taught) to evaluate sources properly. This feels more like an educational system thing or a did the generations before you go to college thing. It could also be an echo chamber thing, which has nothing to do with actually evaluating your source and more about not wanting to. Or a my family finally has enough wealth that my children can focus on getting an education thing. But, no, not a generational thing.
Exactly. Especially since I BET those people teaching those millenials about the importance of fact-checking are actually older than them. As in: most likely Boomers or Generation X. Funny, how those people that TEACH those young'uns are just not existent? So confusing...
Load More Replies...I wonder if Americanpatrioteagle.ru has a post about dismissing the information on boredpanda.com?
This is a major problem in all parts of the real world that social media has exacerbated. We gave the world tools that lets everyone drink from anyone's firehose but forgot to teach them how to know its poisonous. We all have confirmation bias(we believe what we already know because its easier) and we never taught people how to identify well written trash. Our grandparents fell for the miracle cures because the people selling them couldn't be checked. We know fall for them because we either don't want to check or don't know how. Then the social media platform algorithms feed our biases and you end up with flat earthers.
Same thing as holding up any liberal source and claiming them as credible. I agree with you.
Cool, we had to do that "back in the day" in college in the 90's....
Don't ask the fox News generation how to identify credible sources. They clearly failed
There is no "Fox News generation." People from their 20s to their 90s are equally brainwashed.
Load More Replies...If we're talking online sources, boomers and most Xers didn't have to do that in school. I'm GenX and when I did my school research, it was all from print sources, though even then we were taught how to distinguish between highly credible and less credible sources. Online, there's a whole lot more to choose from and it's easy for sites to give themselves a veneer of credibility. It's a newer set of skills determining what is trustworthy and what is not.
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I feel damn resentful when older folks tell me I should stay home with my kids. Like, yeah I’d love to if we could afford it, which we can’t. They act like it’s a choice to go back to work, when for a lot of moms, it’s not a choice.
This. Gen X caught this, too. In what reality did the earning power of the US dollar keep up with costs of living? In what universe has the living wage arrived in the US? Seriously, enough already. The boomers did in fact enjoy the last big surge of economic "hurray", and it's been getting worse ever since the 1980s, and that's not my opinion, that's economists' opinions.
The baby boomers are the "me generation". The self-help hippies of the 60 where they fought for their civil rights was followed by their self-gratification of the 70s. In the 80s, the former hippy morphed into the selfishness of the yuppie and they've laid stagnant in it ever since. I'm a Gen-Xer who became an ecologist. I want to emphasize this. Every single boomer I spoke to during the 90s about the coming climate crisis told me they didn't care because they'd be dead then. This includes my own mother who is now asking me why didn't I tell her. Their parent's sacrificed themselves to create the middle class and make the world a better place and they decided to not return the favor. I didn't see many of those 60s hippies at the "Black Rights Matter" rallies and they are fighting against public healthcare for their grandchildren while they join the state paid medicare rolls. They rail against a younger generation asking for the same things the boomers parent's fought to give them like a living wage and affordable housing and refuse to accept they are reason those things were lost.
Load More Replies...From a boomer -IMHO - we should Fight so we can have one parent work while the other stays home to raise the baby. It is a blessing that really is worth it. One person should be able to support a small family, not lavishly, but all the needs to have a healthy life.
From a Gen Xer: gee, that's wonderful for families WITH two parents. but again that is very old fashioned and narrow. I have friends who are raising children solo...who helps them out? is it their fault? or if they CHOSE to do it solo? And for the sake of agreeing with your fundamentals, who's going to fight? the progressive wing of the dems are the ONLY politicians fighting for living wages and extended parental leave. but your generation (not all of you, just as a voting bloc) CONSISTENTLY block that.
Load More Replies...My wife wants to go back to work, after staying home with my kids for 6 years. However, we will still need after school care which, for 5 days a week for 2 kids ends up being the same amount as working 40 hours a week at $22 an hour..... She may as well just stay home at that point.
Yes and no - depends on what it means to her mental health. Some people are better being with their children and some need to be outside of the home a lot more. No judgement on either for whatever works for them.
Load More Replies...This has been true for a while; it's not new to millenials.
I never heard this from any women of a particular generation. All the women in my family worked and had families.
😢 2 things....first...it’s sad when a parent wishes to stay home with their child and can’t and 2) no parent should be made to feel that he/she is less of a parent if they choose to work and have a career!!!
well this doesnt apply to all older gens, cmon. I come from a low income working class family, my parents while having young kids (between the late 50s-early 80s) worked 2 jobs, even one more sometimes. and we kids used to go with them... there were no money for babysitters, nor there was day care...
It does. The new poor is worse than the old poor. In 1950, the minimum wage was $.75, median rent was $42, and the median home was $7400. It took 56 hrs/mo to pay the rent and less than 10,000 total hours to pay off the mortgage. In 1970, minimum wage was $1.60, rent was $108, and a house cost $17,710. Thats 68 hours to pay the rent, and 10625 hours to pay off the mortgage. In 1990, minimum wage was $3.80, rent was $447 and a house was $79100. That's 117 hours a month to pay the rent, and 20815 total hours to pay off the house. In 2010, minimum wage was $7.25, rent was $901 and a home was $221,800. That was 124 hours a month to pay the rent and 30593 to pay off the house. In 2020, the minimum wage was still $7.25, median rent was $1463, and the median home was $329,00. That comes out to 201.79 hours a month to pay the rent and 45379 to pay off the house. In 1950 it took a week and two days a month for the poorest of the working poor to pay the rent. It now takes 5 weeks a month.
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"I was spanked as a kid and I turned out fine."
No, you didn't. You're a narcissist, get mad easily, joke about hitting your own children and even they're sick of your bull crap to the point that they cut you off. F**k you.
Dang - somebody's got an agenda / jumping to conclusions. I was spanked as a child, and I don't get mad easily, never joke about violence, and have never once hit my own kids. You'll have to ask others about my narcissism and if they're sick of my crap, but even if I'm guilty of those things you've got some work to do to convince me it's because of my childhood abuse.
And it's not like parents are perfect, no matter the generation. Sorry kids, but all parents make mistakes, and if you have kids you will too.
Load More Replies...Some people really did turn out fine, but so what? I know someone whose house burned down, and they turned out fine. I know someone who was hit by a car and turned out fine. Just because it is possible to recover from a trauma doesn't mean it should be deliberately repeated.
Yeah... if you want to hit children, you didn't turn out fine. People who turned out fine don't want to hit children.
And just as many people are like that and never got spanked. Not saying it’s ok to do, but it doesn’t cause narcissism.
My kids and I joke about me being abusive, but that is because I am so mild mannered. I do not spank my children mind you. They get upset if I am disappointed or upset with them at all. But that is because they feel they let me down. We have an amazing relationship and I adore them. In fact, at 17 and 15 they still cuddle with me and trust telling me what's going on. My oldest has even called me when he was worried about a friend so I could reach out and provide support. I am my kids friends second mom. I am sorry that you had this experience though.
While I do not condone outright abuse against a child, a little swat on the butt does in fact help sometimes. You know what is worse? Not setting boundaries and allowing your kids to get away with anything they want. I've encountered plenty of parents who can't say "no" to their kids and they end up outright disrespecting their parents all of the time. I remember I disrespected my mom one time in 2nd grade and got spanked pretty hard. I never disrespected her again after that.
The opposite extreme is children who are never told "no", and we've been seeing the results of that when they become (chronological) adults. Seems like there are a lot of people on this site who can't stand hearing that an opposite extreme exists. Too bad! Not setting boundaries can be just as abusive (well, neglectful anyway)-- it just doesn't leave a mark, that's all. The now-adult who assumes the world revolves around their every whim generally isn't a grand gift to society, that's being shown.
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Your job is not your life, you shouldn't sacrifice time with friends and family let alone your mental wellbeing just for a paycheck
Catch 22 there. Hard to have time for your friends and family if you can't put food on the table or keep the utilities on. :(
It's not a Catch-22 at all. Saying it is means you accept that the system is soul-destroying and toxic to balance and having good relationships. NO ONE should accept a system like that.
Load More Replies...Work to live, don't live to work. But that's easy for me to say that since I'm living in one of those "socialist shitholes" where you catered for from the cradle to the grave.
Over the last year, the sacrifices some of us made helped show what really matters in our lives. Its why businesses are having problems finding new hires. I've been sitting at home without a job with my family under the threat of eviction and now someone wants be to work for them at a wage that would take 200 hours a month just to pay the rent? If I'm going to be evicted no matter what I do, why not spend that time with my family enjoying it. Like the old saying when you owe the bank $100 dollars its your problem but when you owe the bank $100 million its the bank's problem. A million people are saying the bank's going to take my $100 no matter what I do so its now their problem.
It isn't a one-or-the-other thing. It is a balance thing, and it is in constant flux. This week you may have both time and money. Next week maybe neither.
I'm still looking forward to a week where I have both time and money. LOL
Load More Replies...Sometimes you have to clothe your kids, pay rent, food, health care and such. Sadly we have to make choices that don't "fit" what our ideal life should be. I had to compromise a lot of dreams and ideals to get my now 42 yr and 27 yr son's raised decently. I still am, trying to keep my husband and self covered insurance wise. You do the best you can though and try to find the joy peeking out of the thicket.
You do in fact have to sacrifice personal time to work. You just need to find a good and healthy balance.
We used to be able to live and buy a house on one salary. Now, it's impossible. The inflation was enormous and the salary stayed almost the same.
That just because I don't want to be called something doesn't mean I'm a baby. People are allowed to have boundaries and things they don't feel comfortable with
It also swings the other way. If you hear me call my son "Monster Face," it doesn't mean he will grow up with a complex. It's a term of endearment. My sister flipped out at this. I was called "Monster Face" by my mom's entire side of the family. I called them names too like "Old lady." If it's an inside fun ribbing, don't call it out as cruel unless you're in on it or you see or hear the other person protest.
Big difference though, between being called something by your family (parents, siblings, best friend) or being called something by a stranger, a co-worker, neighbour etc without any reference or asking if that's ok
Load More Replies...People of all ages have to have boundaries when it comes to ill-treatment from others. 'Boomers' now have to have boundaries when working around people in an age group that think they should 'just die off'.
I'll call you what ever you want, but until you tell me that, don't be offended by someone using a term meant to convey respect. It's the ones who won't respect your choice that you need to correct.
When did boomers start getting stereotyped into being these crotchety old complainers?
No, you are worse because you are not able to distinguish between what is important and what isn't. Pick your battles. Getting twisted over what someone calls you is definitely NOT important. Sticks and Stones baby, sticks and stones.
The idea that words don't hurt is complete bullshit. People have committed suicide over other people's words.
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Just because we're more aware of our mental health and allow ourselves to feel what we want to feel, it doesn't make us weak or "snowflakes". If anything, it makes us better at coping with, well, everything!
"Snowflake" is a word almost exclusively used by people who truly are very insecure; similarly as they use "liberal" as an insult to mask they own lack of tolerance towards others.
You see the tables being turned more and more: Liberals start calling right-wing people that get offended over nothing snowflakes.
Load More Replies...How come you're so easily offended by everything then? I'm not being mean, but it does seem that there are a lot more people claiming 'victim' these days. It kinda makes it hard for the actual real victims to be taken seriously. Go on, downvote me to the depths of hell. lol
God, I wish I knew that, too. I *think* it comes from the desire to be nice to each other, to be inclusive to LGBTQ-people and minorities and people with mental health problems and well, basically wanting to be nice to EVERYONE. If you look in some forums and chat-groups, you'll find many that are really nice to each other, try not to offend anyone and by that realize how often others get offended online (or in real life). Maybe not on purpose, of course, but still. So they see that and want to be extra-nice and try to defend people who don't speak up for themselves. Maybe it even comes from having to fear that some bullied kid will come back and shoot them all? So they hang out on yt and instagram with famous people who are basically really nice and so they kind of demand that niceness from everyone. (tbc)
Load More Replies...No, you are snowflakes, because you are being overly emotional, thinking you're the only one who has Ever Had Problems. And you don't seem to be coping well. You aren't special. Buck up and adult. If you have real problems, seek help, not post it online for likes.
All snowflakes. Overly emoitional when they dare show the slightest bit of emotion. Complainers when they dare speak out about struggles. They aren't doing well at all. How did that come to be? You're telling them to suck it up and shut up and to talk about it at the same time, care to explain?
Load More Replies...Actually you don't appear to know how to cope at all....All millinials do is whine how bad life sucks and thinks the government is suppose to take care of them
It isn't so much that they think the government should take care of them as they think they're automatically entitled to a $250K a year job just because they have a degree in something ending in "Arts" or "Studies" from some community college nobody who isn't from the town where it's located ever heard of.
Load More Replies...“Snowflake” and “liberal,” along with “leftist” and, at times, “socialist” have become the new tool words for the Ad Hominem and Straw Man logical fallacies.
We need to add "conservative" and "Trumpist", too, though. It's really hard to even have a debate. But I actually think most of those that scream "Leftist!!!" and "TRUMPIST!!!" are actually paid trolls by ... ahem, 'someone' to stir up s**t and fortify the '"Sides" to make it easier to just take what is left. If so - very clever. Creepy, scary, but clever. Which makes it even scarier...
Load More Replies...SO let me get this straight, taking the liberty to speak for others and hushing them up when objecting, is fine, just as calling out others "cultural appropriation" etc,yet, it's perfectly fine to enjoy cotton, foreign food and many other things, but somehow, everyone else are the bigots, but never you? Gotcha.
It isn't really, it's just that younger people are more outspoken about their feelings than older people are. "back then" maybe 10 out of 10.000 would speak their mind about feelings, now it's almost the other way around. Almost inevitable that you also hear so much more from "snowflakes" being offended than you would in any other time. In past times people just wouldn't speak their mind (edit: NOT saying that people who share their feelings about thing are snowflakes)
Load More Replies...I never understood why being called a snowflake was so bad. I mean, snowflakes are amazing. Every snowflake is beautiful and a whole bunch of snowflakes can trap you in your house, knock out your power, and bury your car. Respect the beautiful powerful snowflake.
Dad: “Just go in and ask for a job and keep going every day until they give you one.” Or “This random kid I was talking to at Wegmans (20 years ago) started in the mailroom and worked his way up and he’s making $x hundred thousand per year.”
Me: “They just tell you to submit a resume online and never respond.”
This worked when I was in college 2000-2004, but it doesn't work anymore. They get angry with you if you come in. "Apply online"
Gotta love how companies complain about not being able to find people to fill their openings when it's their own hiring policies that are the problem.
In my experience with my eldest (last few days) independent concerns are still happy to accept CVs on the premises, it's the chains that insist on online applications only and then have algorithms that just fail people for wrong answers, even those with a lot of experience and references in that sector.
Your dad is not completely wrong. Networking is really still the best way to get a job. My husband actually got a job by walking in off the street, and not that long ago.
Not to mention that company workers will mark you as a stalker when you hang out there 3 days in a row... We have temp agencies, it CAN (doesn't have to) be beneficial to just show your face a few times, so you are the first person they think of when there's a vacancy somewhere. But no, pleasie don't stalk people in their work place. It will get you a restraining order sooner than it will land you a job
It depends on what kind of job you're looking for. In my line of work, they don't post jobs. People are hired almost entirely through networking and word-of-mouth, so a resume dropped off or sent to a web site is never going to get a reply. My husband's company only hires through online recruiters, which is pretty standard for his industry. Other industries have job fairs. You need to know what the standard practice is for hiring in your industry.
Texting is much more convenient, sometimes even better, than making a phone call.
So so so many times it's easier to actually talk to the other humans, scary as that can seem. With texting there's no tone, nuance and my sarcasm is much better while talking.
If you wish to effectively communicate with me, please make the phone call.
As a millennial I disagree. You make a phone call and in under a minute you can have most of your questions answered, and those answers calrified. Good luck getting a reply to ONE text within that time. Texting is great for chatting with your friends throughout the day, but not for actually getting s**t done.
I'm older and get loads done with texts. If I phone up, we always get chatting about other stuff, and the time goes.
Load More Replies...The trick is being able to figure out which is better. And, knowing HOW to make a phone call (you know, on your freakin' PHONE??) is useful. But shipping off a text or email and not having to engage when the recipient is figuring out the answer is very useful.
Ok...this might be the first point on here that I “waffle” a bit...I do like the convenience of texting but when my kids try to have long conversations through text I just want to say....pick up the phone and call me!! 😂😂😂. Also, I think texting can lead to more misunderstanding. I know at times when I was just trying to get my message across as short and sweet as possible it has been misinterpreted as being snappish or as though I was upset or angry...when this happens and someone responds in such a manner that I realize how my message sounds...then I’ve been able to straighten it out...but I wonder how many times it happens and the other person just doesn’t say anything. 😢 I try to really watch what/how I text these days.
Boomer here - context is all. Someone I volunteer with is a lot younger than me, but will insist on calling rather than texting. Sometimes it's great to chat, but usually she's calling to tell me someone's contact details and it would be much better if she would just text them over. I wouldn't dream of texting my 88 year old mum (that way lies madness) but message with my daughters all the time.
Unless you are extremely gifted and have a way to demonstrate it, social class is becoming more locked in than it has been in generations.
The social mobility that started to become available in the first half of the 20th century, but amplified much more so in the 40's, 50's and 60's started to decline in the 80s and by the 2010s was is straight up freefall.
If you do not have parents that are willing and able to support your social and financial progress from childhood through higher education (or through training in a steady trade) you are at very real risk of falling through the cracks of this society through no fault of your own.
The US has a system of equality where the more you own, the more equal you are and the more civil rights you have.
The US has turned into George Orwell's Animal Farm - "All animals are created equal but some are more equal than others."
Load More Replies...What happened in the 1980's to change the direction of our society in the US? Oh, yeah.... The rise of the conservative political movement. Once the majority started voting against their own self interests it has been downhill ever since.
better to keep it is very important "Tradition" Tradition is a guarantee of the future! Roots that are Important, like a tree without roots the tree dies! Traditions and Roots of Older People Are Indispensable! Don't Despise Older People Can Amaze Everyone More Than You Can Imagine!
Load More Replies...How does 'blaming the parents for not sacrificing enough for you' make you an adult, or even a person with empathy or any level of discernment? And you wonder why the world considers US people 'self-entitled'?
actually social mobility is higher now than it was in the 80's, 70's, 60's, etc. Every 10 years a full 1/5 of people switch what quintile you are in. That mean 1/5 of the top 20% moved down, 1/5 of the bottom 20% move up, and 1/5 of the other groups move up or down. a full 20% of the 1% move down out of it every 10 years. When they use that chart showing the amount of wealth the top 1% had in 1979 compared to 2019, they also leave out that less than 15% of the same families of people in 1979 are in the top 1% today. In fact nearly 25% are in the bottom 50% today. THere is a lot of mobility, just also more instability. Europe has more stability but less mobility.
Life isn't fair. You get the equality and justice you can afford, that is just reality. It is more equal in the US than most places so try living in another country and compare.
Social mobility in the US is dependent on two things: Opportunity and Effort. No amount of effort is enough without an opportunity, no opportunity is enough without effort. The trick is in knowing how to use enough effort to first create opportunity, wise enough to recognize the opportunity and bold enough to take the opportunity. Not everyone has the same opportunities Bill Gates had because of where he was and what was available to him, BUT with effort the education and information is available to anybody to make the best of their efforts and create their own opportunities.
The whole concept of social mobility is annoying at best anyway. No one should have to work hard and strive to improve themselves just to have an acceptable quality of life. Everyone should be able to stay right where they were born if they want to, and life be okay. Let the ambitious and driven be socially mobile if it matters to them, let everyone else just live the life they have in comfort.
I actually disagree with this. My father tried to help me, but couldn't. I actually got through because my husband was a wizard at mathematics and computers. His earnings helped me get through. We pulled ourselves up from poverty.
Your father may not have given you that support but your husband did. That still means that you were supported instead of just doing it all on your own.
Load More Replies...I am sorry, but whining about parents' inability to finance you from childhood to adulthood burns my corn. I was raised by a single mom who worked as as a grocery store clerk. She did clothing alterations on the side and picked wild blueberries to sell in the summer in order to buy firewood to heat the house in winter. There was no money for college for me. Did I whine? No, I worked for 5 years at minimum wage (which when I started was $4.75 an hour), bought a used car, then went to university, studied hard and won bursary my second year. I then went on to join the foreign service and had a wondeful career for 31 years, working as an assistant to 10 ambassadors, sometimes in war-torn countries. I was able to retire at age 57 with a pension. I worked hard in my life and I am proud of it of being a baby boomer. I did not turn down a minimum paying job because I thought it beneath me. So no, this type of whining does not hold water with me.
That electronics don't rot your brain,and that vaccines ARE effective.
I think boomers - the smallpox generation - are well aware of the efficacy of vaccines. It's younger people (mainly in the usa) who seem to think otherwise.
The over-65 demographic is actually *more* likely to get vaccinated. We have hard data on that.
Load More Replies...Vaccines are effective, but electronics are harmful. Ironic and hypocritical, I know as I write this on my phone. I work with kids and there are just way too many that are addicted to their phones. Many are exposed to so much sexualized and graphic images that are not meant for a young audience. I caught one kid (3rd grade) watching Hostel (not for the faint of heart) and another watching porn. Too many parents don't put restrictions and that has a horrible effect on the child's mental development.
It concerns all current generations. Just a matter of education & common sense.
Right? My mum’s a boomer and she was frustrated that my country has been slow in procuring vaccines.
Load More Replies...But sitting all day every day WILL rot your brain and body. Video-game-loving millennial here (on the internet), but too long without unplugging will make you REALLY stupid and frazzled.
Screens are a problem. This isn't superstition or opinion. It is science. Check out the book, "A Deadly Wandering," and look up pretty much any journal article on the neurobiology of screen usage. There is a problem with it, and this isn't a boomer thing. It's a science thing. And, yes, vaccines are effective and most boomers actually have had them during their lifetime and have gotten the COVID-19 ones. Younger people (gen x and millenials) are far more likely to be anti-vax than boomers.
electronics are good, but you can have 'too much of a good thing'.. the key, like everything, is *MODERATION* - vaccines INCLUDED. *Most* vaccines are good and helpful, but there are some to be wary of... Just b/c a new vaccine pops up for something, doesn't mean you should run out and get it right away. take the time, do research and decide what's best for YOU.
Just because I know where/how to find the answer to something doesn't mean I "think I'm smarter than you."
I'm just trying to save both of us from wasting time.
Or when someone knows more about some topic. It's natural, we all develop bigger knowledge about something. I know more about history, you know more about space. IT'S NORMAL
I have been called a "know it all" - actually I have a good memory and am a warehouse of useless knowledge. LOL I will say I am smarter than some (actually it is more that I can learn easier), and not as smart as many (neighbors not included lol).
Load More Replies...Yeah... I haven't gotten this from the older generation. I usually get the butthurt snark backlash response from people my own age or younger... and then I am promptly ignored... and about a week later when they come up with THE EXACT SAME THING... they nearly dislocate a shoulder patting themselves on the back for how incredibly smart they are.
I work closely with a Millennial. We each have different strengths. I have no problem asking them for help if they can help, and vice versa.
There was hope in your time. You felt like you could change the world. Nowadays, our economy is f****d, our environment is f****d, our privacy is gone, our governments are pitting us against one and other, and the planet is going to kill us off within the next century regardless of what we do about it.
So don't look down on us as "weak" or call us "entitled" if we're a little pissed off and/or depressed about it, ok?
Finally someone who gets it. It isn't left vs. right. It's society vs. government. Stop falling for the idea that we should be pissed at each other. Wrong!
Right-wing governments are STILL denying the climate crisis, putting their rich friends ahead of a decent standard of living for ordinary people, and fomenting lies. in the US, they're adhering to the Big Lie that is attempting to install autocracy, and signing on to levels of voter-suppression that will destroy democracy. IT IS LEFT VS RIGHT. The left is far from perfect but they care about the climate, they care about people, and they want people to vote. You are astonishingly naive if you can't see that.
Load More Replies...Your privacy isn't gone. You just sold it yourself for internetpoints and that shiny star next to your avatar on social media.
Um, boomers faced these issues growing up too. Ever watch footage of riots from the 60s-70s, with cops bashing hippies on the head (much worse than the riots these days)? Or see the commercials from that era about pollution? Or listen to the music calling for peace in the war-torn world?
Gen X had hope for about two years. Then.... post-Reaganomics bit. Yep. We're all in the same sinkin gboat, so stop yelling about who sunk it, and start fixing the dang boat! ---- (adopted from my gramps)
I am almost 60 and relate to this perfectly. You should be pissed and depressed. But not at us as the generation. You are spot on in pointing out that it is the government's doing. It is the politicians of my generation who are largely to blame for this. They were/are the selfish ones. They were/are the entitled ones. They were the spo iled children of WW2, too petrified by the Korean War and Viet Nam to believe that there was a future for the country. So they placed, and continue to place, all their efforts on short term (as determined by how long they have until retirement) personal gains at the expense of all else...including social order. Democrat and Republican alike, ALL are guilty. What we can not afford to do though is allow our anger and depression to weigh us down into inaction. Our country is collapsing, yes. But its people are not. We need to be preparing for what comes next.
Term limits on ALL Politicians and better guidelines /controls on campaign spending could go far in getting things back on track. Thesevtwo changes would also allow the younger generations to have more of a say in Givernment and the commitments, both monetary and social, that are being made. My thought is that spending your time and effort in making constructive change to the system would be a better use of your time than just complaining about your parents and previous generations in general... Just saying....
Load More Replies...You're weak because all you do is complain instead of doing something about it. You don't think other generations faced the same problems? Forced service in the armed forces to fight a war nobody wanted, etc. etc.
Duck And Cover. 1950's school children drill for when the Russians dropped the A--Bomb.
And was still being used in the 80s, during the Cold War.
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That I’m not a lazy entitled CHILD. I’m in my mid 30s and most of my peers that are younger than me are smart and hardworking as well. It’s productivity and efficiency that matters, not the amount of time you spend at work.
There's a story here in Germany called "the seven lazy ones". It's about seven men, who are known to be incredibly lazy. Eventually, they left the town to find work. Years later, they came back and start improving things immensely: they build a dam to protect the town from floods, they build a pathway and houses for themselves and dig a well. But no matter what they do, the neighbors always find a way to keep calling them lazy because they're making life easier and obviously only lazy people would want an easier life.
"I can be just as productive at 30 hours a week as other are at 50 hours" Boss: "OK, work at that same productivity rate, for 50 hours a week."
this is something said to every generation since my great-grandma was told it by her parents, and since she was born in the late 1800s....
it's also teamwork and making yourself available for support during the hours you're paid for...not simply finishing your singular task and walking away because you're finished.
Unfortunately you're not always in a position where your work can speak for itself. Here, people are learning the importance of your appearance. Sure, the vendor that shows up to pitch their service wearing sweatpants might have a better product, but compared to the company that sent someone in business clothes, guess who makes the better first impression and is taken seriously. Appearances matter, and that's not just clothes - that's your attitude, your punctuality, and whether your boss thinks you're a dependable employee and not just looking to leave early all the time.
I've actually been criticized for working to quickly because it reduces chargeable hours....
Whoever is the last at work and the first to leave yet gets the work done is a genius, not lazy!
Years back, I had a colleague who left work fifteen minutes early because he was so efficient. The business owner pressured him to work long hours. The colleague left. He was replaced by someone who worked long hours because he made mistakes and had to stay late to correct them.
Load More Replies...This is the one that really blows me away when I hear other boomers say this.....this is the EXACT same thing the older generation said about us!! And I certainly see no indication of this in younger people. I see far more of that feeling of entitlement within my own generation.
we live in a different world with different skills. Much of these skills have to do with computers. And we have new tools and gadgets that make work easier too. "Working hard" does not mean working 30+ years in a factory until you're in a wheelchair with cancer coursing through your body. That is nothing to be proud of doing to yourself.
That the cost of education far outpaced inflation and wage growth in the US. If I had a dime for each boomer who lectured me about working my way through school like they did, I might almost be able to buy a house!
Wow, a young person who knows 200,000 crotchety old people. Where do you live, in Hyperbole?
The main problem is they figured people do beter after getting their degree, so they started pushing *everyone* to get *a degree* no matter how expensive or worthless that made those degrees.
Pro-tip, go to a "not for profit" college. They are out there and are fully accredited.
Please give a few examples and how much they actually cost.
Load More Replies...Boomers were one of the first generations who even needed a higher education to become employed. IT HAS NOT EVER BEEN EASY FOR ANY GENERATION.
It was easy for the lucky few. Zero tuition at UC Berkeley. Affordable rent. Good jobs at graduation. "Bliss it was in that dawn to be alive, but to be young was very heaven! And so it was for the young adults of the fifties, those fortunate ones born in the low birth rate era of the 1930s." Wordsworth, the Prelude; Richard Easterlin, Birth and Fortune, Chapter 2
Load More Replies...😢 It is not the same world it was when I went to college!! The cost of tuition and books alone have exploded while wages have stagnated. There may eventually still be a positive return on your investment when it comes to wages...but it is no where near what it ince was and it may take years or even decades before student debt is paid down or off enough to realize any of the return. It’s amazing to be that people of my generation would not want better for our children and grandchildren. Are we so wrapped up in ourselves that we haven’t even stopped to really look at how different things are?? 😢
Yes yes yes.....I have been a part of post-secondary education in one aspect or another over the last 30 years. So many kids are making BAD choices for education that you have to wonder if they should be let out in public unsupervised. Yeah that theatre-arts degree is going to be soooo lucrative. At the moment a lot of well-paid trades jobs go vacant because millenial and GenZ's parents sold them the lie that a degree will improve their opportunities. The employers jumped on the bandwagon since a lot of HR folks can cover their collective fat asses on a bad hire by "They has a degree! I had no way of knowing they would be a problem!" Toss in a systems that has become a "paper mill" and will charge as much as the market will bear, and you have poor, naive kids stuck with huge debt and worthless paper.
No one fired you to go to college. You chose to. You chose the school. There are cheaper alternatives.
"Working their way through"... yeah, I did that, as a GenXer. I burned out so badly physically that I almost didn't *finish* my education. If Millennials think they hate boomers? Talk to Gen X. Oh wait, nobody talks to us. So tired of hearing millennials whinge like thery're the first ones to get hosed by Boomers.
Don't blame all "boomers" blame politicians and universities. Thanks to guaranteed student loans offered by the government, universities realizing that they were getting their money one way or another, suddenly had an influx of money. They built too many and too big buildings, brought in too many "professors" and staff, and offered non-usable degrees. Then the students, being informed by college recruiters and the media, decided that college was the only route to employment. Students then cashed in on the loans, even the government loans are predatory, and went to school...Only to find out they were lied to all along.
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That technology exists to enable people to work from home, and just because they do doesn't mean they are sat watching Netflix
It doesn't mean that, but admit it. You are on BoredPanda and Netflix more than you would be in the office.
I’ve seen way too many people in the office doing what they’re not supposed to be doing on the computer. If you have the work ethic, it really doesn’t matter where you work from.
Load More Replies...Omg yes. I’m 100% at home with no office and I also don’t work in my pajamas, nude, or from bed. And I can’t pick up your kids or go get your UPS package. I’m actually ‘at work’.
I mean no office as in no dedicated workspace outside my home. I do have a home office.
Load More Replies...In manufacturing, there is a subset frame of mind that "If you aren't in the office for 2 weeks (working at home or not) you probably weren't needed here in the first place". It's very strange.
Teacher here. I have been told by so many people that one day we would not be needed, because students could just go to school online. How did that work out during the pandemic?
I have been working from home for more than a year. There will be downtimes even in the office and I do slack off. So do my staff. That is human nature. It's a job not a slave trade. They can still chat with colleagues and joke around over coffee. In fact I encourage it. A harmonious team is a good feeling to have at work.
There are so many people who seemingly cannot or will not grasp this. "You have to be in the office to work" and "If you can work from home, your job can be off shored, and you should have a pay cut". My team were office based and their roles were moved to Manila. This one winds me up.
That technology apparently let you down in the proper English department. "they are sat (sitting) watching Netflix"
That it is reasonable to not want kids and enjoy life with your spouse.
I can’t have kids, buy a house, and go on vacation even with my $100k+ salary. At least, not if I want to have money saved for emergencies.
Either older generations played it looser with less savings, or s**t was different.
$100k a year and you can't do those things? What the f**k ARE you spending your money on? Few people reading this will have much sympathy for someone earning a vast amount more than they are
Depends on where he lives. I'd live well, here, on that salary. If I lived in a big city, maybe not so much.
Load More Replies...Don't blame it on the money. 100 K p.a. is a great deal. Just say that you don't want kids. Nothing wrong with that.
Finally, one that this old man agrees with 100%! And btw, both are true...we did play it looser with less savings (because we set up our lives with much fatter margins of error, this was feasible), AND s**t was different. In many ways, but mostly socially. That said, my daughter is a single mom whose salary matches yours. She is raising 3 kids on her own with no help from anyone, owns her house, and they go on a vacation for 2 weeks every summer. So perhaps you should review your financial situation and distinguish between needs and wants.
It's about choices and sacrifice. You chose not to have children. Previous generations chose to sacrifice their comfort and enjoyment in order to have children. Maybe they didn't see that they had the choice not to based on societal norms of the time. Why dont you just enjoy your f*****g priveledge and stop blaming previous generations for your choices?
It is also ok to not be married. I dont get the obsession about marriage in USA.
It's the Puritanical Origins... Puritans were so nucking futs, they got kicked out of their own country and then stole the one for their own, 300 years later, here we are.
Load More Replies...In Europe people earning half of that amount are perfectly capable of buying a house, having kids and go on vacation because they do not have to have $250 000 at hand in case someone needs medical help or loses their job. Yep, it's hell living in a "socialist" country.
Houses here in the north of belgium are between 400k and 500k. Even a persone earning 50k a year has issues finding a home.
Load More Replies...Amen to Eduard’s comment! I did all that, with international vacations, on $39000 a year in the 90’s. You need to hire a money manager.
Apparently sleeping till 11 AM makes you lazy regardless of whether or not you had to work until 12:30 AM at your s****y Wendy's location.
Not exclusively a boomer thing, though. There's still very little regard for people working in nightshifts.
night custodian here .... wholeheartedly agree with that one
Load More Replies...I hate smug morning people. (not all morning people, just the self-superior ones). They make comments of "oh, you got up at 11:00, I've been awake for 6 hours and have accomplished so much already".... yet if you say "oh, you went to bed at 9:00 PM, I stayed awake another 6 hours and accomplished things too"... you just get a confused blank look.
Well I'd already worked 8 hours and been home for an hour before your lazy ass showed up at 9am.
Load More Replies...Our internal clocks change as we age. And we are all different. So grandpa may be super productive after getting up at 5 am but I can assure you he isn’t doing sh*t after 7pm. And is probably asleep by 8. Meanwhile, I’m still active and doing things until 10-11. So give me a break.
It's important to be really clear about your boundaries when you don't work a "standard" workday. I used to do contract jobs where I'd work 80-90 hour weeks for several straight months, and then I'd have a few weeks off until the next job. Inevitably, people would call me during my time off to ask me to take them to the airport, help them move, take care of their dog. etc. ("...since you'r'e not doing anything anyway.") I had to be the one to put my food down, even if it annoyed people.
I'm an owl rather than a lark, so annoying when people call/text at 7.30 am and say 'oh, were you in bed?'. I wouldn't dream of calling someone after 9 pm so don'e call me before 9 am!
No calls after 10:00pm & no calls before 8am. These are generally the rules. Emegency, call any time.
Load More Replies...THIS one, I wholeheartedly agree with. I've been there, working nights:' bed by 6 a.m., sleep in late till noon... Therr's always some shmuck that calls you at 10 a.m. & wonders WHY you're still asleep! Them: "What do you do, sleep all day?" Me: "What time did you wake up this morning?" Them: "6, 6:30..." Me: "GREAT - THAT's what time I Went to SLEEP." Them: a sheepish soundly "oh...."
I'm a boomer and have worked either a later shift or from home for years and constantly was harassed by my Silent Gen dad about my laziness. All those morning hours you are wasting, he would say. I reminded him of all the evening hours he was wasting by falling asleep in his chair at 8pm.
Kids use computers/phones for more than just playing video games and scrolling through social media. I basically live on my computer. My best friends are online. My favorite activities are coding and making games. But no, my parents assume the devil computer is rotting my brain and making me stupid. As a wise man once said: phone bad, book good.
Ask the same people if back in 1960 they were writing with charcoal on stones or went for the convenience of pencil and paper.
Which they had to take the horse and buggy to the store 50 miles away to get.
Load More Replies..."I basically live on my computer" - that statement is a bit scary and sad to me. I want to live, be outdoors, talking and looking at people, using all my senses. Computers should be just one part of your life, not your whole life.
I would prefer to be outdoors also, but the outdoors comes with the constant din of road noise, which is part of the reason I spend too much time in the quiet basement.
Load More Replies...What's lost with computers though is face to face in person interaction.
Yeah, tell that to my kid who's always on video chat with 5-6 friends!
Load More Replies..."I basically live on my computer." And you don't see a problem with this...?
I basically live on my computer and no, I do not see any problem with it. I'm introverted, have a social phobia and find it easier to talk to people online. I also work from home, have my own business, so I find all my clients and work online. My friends are all over the world - so I connect with them online. And this does not mean that I do not enjoy the outdoors or traveling or nature - I do it all as well.
Load More Replies...I have really good friends online. I met them in game years ago, we eventually met in real life. I don't think it's sad. You can build a strong relationship online.
Load More Replies...The point is that if you spend your life in computers (or books) you will be socially inept as an adult because you lack experience dealing with people face to face. Further, if you don't get that experience while you are young, you will never be able to develop normal social skills. It was never about computers or video games or tv or books. It has always been about mental health and social development.
That “just get a better job” is not all that easy
This isn't new. Older generations kept getting that useless come back
No we don't. We admire the younger generation who get a job and keep it.
Load More Replies...There is no "better job" these days. They're all unstable and unpredictable.
Nothing has changed. It has always been this way.
Load More Replies...You know, some of us old people don't think any of these things. A lot were invented by old people too, bike helmets, vaccinations, IT!!! Some of us worked in these areas. Stop perpetuating myths that all old people do or think stuff like this. I use GPS on my phone you know, I worked in IT, I can out IT you.....I paid a student loan as well....never worked in a supermarket, the pay ALWAYS sucked. And I gave my house to my son and moved in with even older mum as carer.
I hear this all the time or even worse when someone mentions the low pay and awful conditions people have to work in and they say “they choose to work there” 😳 Really....like what is their other choice....homelessness and starvation???? 🙄
How about another job? Or education? Simple minded on your part at best.
Load More Replies...Getting a better job entails experience and knowledge. It just does, and it always has.
that "better job" takes a lot of work. Especially when everyone seems to want a college degree for s**t that doesn't need one. And they want you to have the experience and work history of 3 people to do one job.
There sure are a sh*t-ton of 'better jobs' out here (Silicon Valley). My company has over 600 openings - we're struggling like hell to fill them. Extremely high salaries. There simply aren't enough available engineers and programmers out there to fill them. We have a huge number of employees from overseas on work visas.
It all depends. As a woman, legal or not, I've been told flat out that the company doesn't hire women, that they're afraid clients will lose confidence in the company if they see my face, or that they're not willing to offer me the same salary as a man. It's hard to call them on this and win. I've also been told generic things like they don't feel I'd make a good fit for the company, only to hear from friends working there later on about HR complaining in private that the department has too many women already and they wanted to hire a man this time. So it's not always easy finding a good job even if there are a lot of openings.
Load More Replies...*slaps forehead* Well why didn't I think about that? Let me just go back here to the job tree and get a better one. Oh wait it doesn't work like that does it! That really pissed everyone off
That not everything can be solved with immediate aggression. That being patient and thinking on the right thing to say rather then saying what comes to mind first goes a lot further
This was one of the first things they tried to teach me at the hospital. I kept calling it 'plotting' and they didn't like that. It's one of my most used pieces of advice, every time I get an email from head office, I click reply, delete the addressee and type my angry response. Then delete the email and start anew with a more measured and planned response.
😂 I told someone once that they’d never believe how many comments I never posted or how many emails were in my draft folder.
Load More Replies...I suspect this is not strictly generational. What's considered appropriate or inappropriate varies by era, but stopping to think is more personal and cultural.
And within what work place? I can say stuff in, say, patient advocacy that would get my a** in huge trouble if I said it if working in IT. Bad example, probably, but all I could com eup with.
Load More Replies...This is the reason I mind my own business more now that I'm older. You want my help then quit the bloody drama and listen. I'm getting too old and creaky to deal with the drama.
I’m not sure this is a generational thing though...I think this can be found in all generations...there are people who tend to have a knee-jerk response and others who can keep a more level head.
It's also ok to no respond within 0.03 seconds of hearing something. Take in what you've heard, process the info, take a deep breath and only respond when you're ready. Saying something like "gove me a second please" or "I need a minute" is a perfectly good response to any question asked of you and anything said to you. Never think otherwise
Always stop, step back, and take the emotion out of the situation. ALWAYS!
That we're not that lazy and we have a good reason to be depressed, cynical, and pesimistic. People like my grandma always talk how "at your age i was married, had a house, and 2 kids blah blah" not realising they did all that on 1 paycheck, while simultaneously complaining how money isnt worth anything nowadays and they just went grocery shopping and spent 25 % of their income while chanting "dont worry, its gonna get better". How can you not put those two together
1) Your grandma got married and had kids at your age because she didn’t have a lot of other options...but because it was necessarily what she would have otherwise chosen.... those good old days weren’t always so good if you dig a little deeper. Anyone who wants to go back to the “good old days” is either living in a fantasy world or they like a world where white men were the only ones with any rights (it’s not been so many years ago that a woman couldn’t get credit in her name without a male counter-signer). 2) Your grandma didn’t send her kids to school every day worried that today might be the day some sick person will target their school for a mass killing. 3) While her generation should have been worried about climate change and its effect on the future of this planet, she was not faced with the urgency that your generation is.
I am a boomer and too many people in that generation don’t get that we were fortunate to have had things better economically in the post-wwII economy for a long time although the downhill slide has been in mostion for years. The way things are now with wages low, cost very high, less freedom,etc have been closer to the norm many times in the u.s. and elsewhere many times. Things don’t always get better, that is reality.
And remember: that generation directly dismantled a much more egalitarian (and frankly socialist) America that had the middle class that grounded their world.
Do not miss the point grandma was making. It was hard, but she made it.
Because they didn't consume as much as you do. Consumerism has exponentially exploded since WW2. I remember getting clothes twice a year.
This economic system is never gonna get better. It's because of interest rates and inflation. this is build in by default. This system is a snake that eats its own tail.
The American Dream is a powerful thing. A lot of people really, really hang onto the belief that it's true, even when their own personal experience is showing them differently.
How much college and housing really costs compared to when they bought those things.
And it's just a domino effect, too. The less reasonable college is, the harder it is to buy a house with all your loans.
And both of those things make it very difficult to have children.
College does not serve the same function it did even 30 years ago. College is no longer about educating people. It is purely a money making venture based on outdated social expectations. As such it is one of the most socially destructive forces going these days.
Gonna jump on this too; once uni/college was a place to learn about the larger world. You got outside the cloister of family and community in which you were raised. You had your mind expanded with new ideas, and met people from many different places. You were sometimes challenged with knowledge and beliefs that contradicted what you thought was 'correct'. Once university was the counter-culture and opposite of politically correct. Not the PC thought police have taken charge and Uni is now a creche to protect youths from the dangers of the big bad world. They no longer allow contradictory thoughts, ideas and speech. Knowledge is watered down and history ret-conned so as to avoid triggers for (mostly) imaginary traumas. It has become the bastion of woke culture, SJW's, and de-construction.
Load More Replies...When Dad had this house built in 1974, they had a $140k mortgage. Due to medical costs, they added a HELOC. And made only minimum due payments for 45 years. We bought the house from them for the remainder due - $200k owed.... At least it was worth 3x that. We KNOW we're lucky even so.
My grandparents bought their house in Grenich, CT for $28,000 in the late 50s. Sold it about 12 years ago for over $500k and moved to Houston. Bought their new home with cash for about $260k. Now they just sold that home to move into assisted living and sold their house for nearly $400k. So $28,000 investment turned into $612,000 profit over 60 years. Tell me where I can do this today. Please tell me.
My In-laws bought their house for £100K around 30-35 years ago. During that time they have spent exactly £60k maintaining and upgrading it. It's now worth £1M!!! It's a 2 bedroom house FFS, not some mansion! If it was 2 miles down the road it would be worth £700k. No, the younger generation have zero chance of owning property unless they inherit.
Same for my folks. In the 70s their first house was two or three times their annual salary. I just bought my first place for ten times mine. They bought a three bed house and I bought a small one bed flat. They got on the property ladder in their twenties, and I’m in my forties. Despite all this, I know I’m lucky to have done it at all. The world is very different. Edited for grammar.
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You told us that if we didn't go to college we would be working at McDonald's or the supermarket. Well we are. Why? Because we are lazy? That's because every "entry level job"s require 5+ years of experience and a degree. You got your foot in with a degree. A degree that may not even have been related.
Oh, and you say we need to work temp jobs and internships? Guess what: That experience mysteriously doesn't count when it comes to applying. Apply anyway? Auto trash.
In Poland people had similar attitude, but more regarding a degree, than experience. "Oh I see that you don't have a degree? Hmm... Do you plan to have one? No? Well, it's great that you have the experience we're looking for, but you don't have a degree". And it's not like they're expecting specific one. You can have a degree in psychology and work as an accountant, because all they care about is papers
I applied for several jobs here in the USA and was turned down because I had the experience but didn't have a master's degree. So I put myself in debt to get one. Then I got turned down by all the jobs I applied for because they wanted people with experience instead of degrees. Sometimes you just can't win.
Load More Replies...Internship is just another word for exploitation. You actually have to pay some firms now to get an internship. How is that even legal?
I did an internship in the 90's, got paid for travel & food. Offered a job at the end of it and worked 10 years with that company.
Load More Replies...Yeah, this one bothers me most. How am I suppose to gain experience, if no one wants to hire me because I "only" have a degree and no experience?!
I don't think so. I have seen this hiring attitude in fields where the employers shouldn't be able to be picky. But apparently leaving the position vacant for years and complaining that you can't find skilled workers while your own groan under the workload is better than hiring people and training them.
Load More Replies...Being LBGTQIA+ doesn’t change who we are and it shouldn’t affect how they treat us.
It does get confusing when they keep adding more letters to the list faster than I celebrate birthdays...
I agree it doesnt change who you are and everyone should be treated well, I agree. Truthfully though , unless we are starting a relationship I don't need to know anyone's sexual preferences.
Amen to Neil. I have to confess, I don’t understand what many of those letters stand for, and I definitely don’t understand the relationships that result after someone becoming one of those letters.
Lesbian Bisexual Gay Transgender Queer/Questioning Intersex Asexual/Agender
Load More Replies...It shouldn't. But like virtually every aspect of living on this planet with other human beings...what should be is only rarely what is. You need to accept that and find a way to live in this imperfect world happily. You can't rely on others to conform to you.
that the old work schedule isn’t the best work schedule. i’d get more done in 4 10 hour days and be happier then i would in 5 8 hour days
The "best" work schedule is subjective. What works for you may not work for someone else.
I declare that nobody really gets anything done after they've completed the two important tasks of the day. The rest is tedious daily routine that could be done in a couple of minutes and the whole working day shouldn't be 8 hrs when it could be three.
I suppose this would depend to the field of work. I would hate a 10hr day! When would I see my Wife & animals?
Many other European countries have moved away from 5 8s. As with every other logical benefit, the USA will reject it to the death.
CLIMATE CHANGE. Reduce, reuse, recycle. Save our planet
Um, Gen X (in ths US) is between boomers and millennials, and we were doing this before millennials were born in some cases, so stop with the assumption you can't trust anyone over 40, okay? Thank you.
Unfortunately generation X and millenials are more to blame than any other. Those are the eras where plastic started being produced on a mass scale, products are of lower quality now as well so we are more of a throw away society. People over the age of 60 mainly used paper bags, made their own food from scratch, had nowhere near as much consumerism, only bought what they needed, made clothes and darned socks instead of buying new when they got holey etc.
Load More Replies...To be honest I don't really believe we, as ordinary people can change a lot about this issue as long the industry won't take responsibility and our governments stop subsidies those industries instead of investing in alternatives
Is there an in-between of millenials and boomers coz the older generation from 60yos onwards, were much more resourceful and sustainable.
Generation X, I think. We're just pretty quiet and let the boomers and millennials fight it out.
Load More Replies...I'm not lazy, I'm tired. There's a difference between not wanting to do something and not having the mental capacity to something this very moment.
Wow,try that on my Asian Parents they'll look at you like you're from Pluto.
How many times are you going to ask that? Are you getting paid for it?
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We're not lazy, and we don't see anything wrong with "paying our dues." We just want to be fairly compensated for our work, and also the job market is a lot more competitive (so advice that worked for you 30+ years ago simply doesn't work for us today).
"Fair" in compensation is in the eye of the beholder. It will never really be fair, for the entirety of your career. Best you can do is the best you can. Sometimes the best you can get is not going to be fair to you.
I have mixed feelings about this as I went through a similar experience. In order to work through college, I needed the work to be flexible and preferably related to my choice of study. I accepted a job that paid me 1/10 of what the bossman is charging the client (for a solo job). Minimal base salary (more like meals and transport compensation), everything else is based on jobs I did. Basically I did the work but the bossman takes most of it. But I eventually learnt enough to do side jobs on my own.
That the American economy is f****d and unbelievably slated against younger generations. Because those with power and money exerted their influence to gain more power and money. So now all the resources have been sucked up to the top and young people are left fighting over table scraps.
Everyone is fighting for table scraps, not just the "younger generations".
Had a lady at church telling me to buy a house the other day. NO WAY! I don't care how many tens of dollars I can save on my taxes. It won't offset getting into the market at the peek and loosing $100,000 in the first 10 years.
The American economy is not f-cked. It's the strongest and most powerful in the world. It's doing just fine. This person is complaining about the exploitation of it.
You don't need to go to university or college to be successful and if you go there's a massive debt
It's all about the degree you get. If you major in Art History or Gender Studies and you are still working at Wal-Mart, that is because your degree is useless. Find something that is marketable. Going to a university is fine if you do the actual research and determine the field you are going into has a projected increase of growth.
Colleges receive large sums of money and subsidies from the government. Yet they are not held accountable for job placement ratios. How about we tie funding to job placement and increased quality of living? That would help reduce the amount of worthless degrees.
Load More Replies...College is a scam, and totally unnecessary for 90% of the world. That said, my son and one of my daughters worked and saved while going to community college part time until they had enough money saved up to finish their degrees at a regular uni without loans. Yes, it took them a lot longer, but it is not a race and there are no age restrictions.
Success after college really does depend on how hard and how smart you worked. A smart degree is in STEM.
And on connections - without connections it's 10 times harder to find a job
Load More Replies...Why is there a push to forgive college loans? Were they illegal? Were the borrowers coerced? Can somebody forgive my mortgage, or credit card bills?
For profit colleges do coerced uneducated borrowers and employ unqualified teachers. I know because I worked for ITT for 3 semesters as an adjunct professor. For the first two semesters I taught accounting and into to finance while being paid a messely $14/hr. Classes were from 6pm to 11pm at night. All but 1 of my students were high school drop outs with GEDs. The dean told me to give bonus points for them showing up and offer extra credit each class. For exam days we were told to buy pizza, donuts and or coffee to encourage students to show up and this was out of our own pocket. My last semester there, they had me teaching two classes under the college of engineering. I have 0 engineering background. I was given the textbook two weeks before class started and was told to just read ahead of the students and teach what I had learned. FOR PROFIT COLLEGES ARE A SCAM
Load More Replies...My husband works at the US Mint. His two bachelor degrees didn't get him a single job. He got the job because he spent 8 years as a Marine and they hire with veteran preferred. Even that job barely pays the bills where we live, but it's a good job with possibilities and benefits. His degrees for business and IT were useless.
Stop telling me directions, I'll just use GPS.
No really, just give me the end address. Stop. STOP TELLING ME DIRECTIONS. I'M NOT LISTENING TO YOU. JUST GIVE ME THE ADDRESS AND ILL USE GPS.
But they just keep going "and then at the 3rd light, go left, go straight for about 3.5 miles, then make a right at the farmhouse..."
Quite a few numpties have died, and tons more have got lost, when their sat nav told them the wrong directions.
Or worse, when they follow their sat nav and drive directly into a flooded tunnel.( That's how the wife of one of our neighbors wrecked their new BMW.)
Load More Replies...Uhhh, why don't you open your mind a little bit and accept help when it's offered. OR AT LEAST FRIGGIN LISTEN, even if you're going to ignore it. Who knows, there maybe be some valuable information being passed along that your precious GPS is unaware of. Someone is offering their help, the least your entitled ass can do is listen to it, even if you don't take it.
I'd take knowing the way without GPS to GPS any day. Phone battery dead. Phone broken. ETC. Nothing like being able to actually navigate.
The younger generations can't wipe their asses without their electronics.
Load More Replies...Ok then, STOP ASKING ME FOR THE ADDRESS, I'M DON'T WANT TO LISTEN TO YOU. JUST LOOK IT UP ON YOUR PHONE. I also hate people who call my store but then ask where we are. How did you get this number? Online? Guess what, the address is right next to the number.
People have driven into rivers because they rely far too much on GPS.
If they lacked the mental fortitude to observe what was in front of their vehicle, they shouldn't have been driving it anyway.
Load More Replies...There are a few places in rural America that you need directions for. For those, the person will usually give you the closest address GPS can help with and then give you directions from there to the destination.
This is pretty annoying. But to be fair I hated it even as we used paper maps. Tell me the address, I'll find it. There is no way I can remember your 20 minutes long explanation how to get there for longer than 10 minutes
It's true, that GPS is very heloful, but sometimes a useful tip, like, " you'll see a fountain on the left and you'll just go 50 meters past that and turn right ", can be very useful. If nothing else, I always appreciate hearing the nearest cross-streets and a tip or two of what I should expect to see along the way... The conversation is also a nice way to accept the kindness and caring of the person sharing the information. Try it, you might like it...
Load More Replies...I had a GPS once. It failed halfway way through a very long trip. Was VERY glad I had backup, AAA Trip Tiks!
That their "help" isn't help unless I've asked for it. And that they need to stop it with the unsolicited advice.
I have a guess about the maturity of a person that would say or think this. Once you get a few more years behind you, you may come to appreciate learning from others' mistakes and not learning everything the hard way. Besides, most of the time these things come from a place of love, and should be accepted the same way.
Just general cost of living, especially for young families. I was at a baby shower yesterday and the mom mentioned that daycare she looked into near work was $3,000 a month. That’s for an infant so I know that’s always more expensive but, man, that means most of my paycheck would be going there. On top of that, it was a hustle to get where I am, graduating into the recession, and it’s just now really paying off (literally and figuratively). I need to save for retirement so it’s not like I can just stay home. Plus, what if there is a downturn, and my husband loses his job? His parents were totally f****d by the recession. Plus COL is so high. Homes, cars, food, phones…everything costs more. Our whole goal is having a mortgage we can pay off stocking shelves at Trader Joe’s if we have to.
"I cannot and don't know how to raise my own child, and it is too expensive that other 'trained especialist with 8 degrees' raise my child for me because I know nothing and poor me, I've not be trained for that, is so unfair"... only milenials. Also milenials " you are so unresponsible, raising your own kids, you should pay all the money for a real breeding trained specialist, therapy and every need a human might have, because being only a parent is a shame"
Throughout most of human history, children have been too expensive. We have just changed our expenditure preferences.
Why we need immigrants! Negative population growth is already happening!
And of course, we'd have no way of knowing the cost of living these days, because we don't buy groceries, pay rent and utilities, have phones, put gas in our cars, etc... Please don't call us clueless when you're spouting nonsense like this.
stupefying. Doesn't the state acknowledge the need to care for her working mums?
I don't want the moon. I just want what I was promised after doing everything you asked me to.
you guys where asked? , boomers told us what we where doing
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That we aren’t completely oblivious to what happened when we were born, when I was a kid we still had a vhs.
Not even close. This is VHSC, C for "compact" and was relatively popular in camcoders.
Load More Replies...Picture is of a compact VHS cassette, not a regular VHS one that everyone used.
I'm old then. When I was a kid there were only three channels on television, cable didn't exist, and there was no recording anything. ..//... It's MUCH better now!
My ability to find the power button on a computer does not make me anymore a genius than your grasp of the dewy decimal system makes you a genius.
Yes, but I do know it's spelled "Dewey", and it does mean that in case of a power outage, I can still find information in crazy things called "books".
The Dewey Decimal System. The categorization of nonfiction books. Escape From Mr. Lemoncello's Library and its sequel have some great information on that sort of stuff, and it's all around 6th grade level. It's an amazing book, and I love it.
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That at this rate, my future grandkids will ask me where Santa lives, and I'll sigh when I remember the North Pole melted years ago.
The North Pole will still be there regardless as to where it's covered in ice or not
....and how is Santa going to live there when it's open ocean?
Load More Replies...Really? I Santa's sake what you are concerned of?? No one has told you Santa is a FICTIONAL CHARACTER created for marketing purpuses? Have you not googled it? Or asked Alexa, Siri? Would you now need therapy for coping with that?
I know that you were able to get by on $15 an hour, but there’s also been an 800% inflation rate since then, Grandpa.
I worked for $2.75 an hour as well - when the minimum wage was around $7.00. I was a waiter. Then, as now, the restaurant industry gets a pass for paying below minimum wage as it's assumed (and argued by the lobbyists) you'll get compensation through tips.
That the earth isn’t full infinite resources.
exactly. while I agree with much of what millennials are saying, I think they're giving themselves a persecution complex in the process.
Load More Replies...Resources aren’t infinite, but this “destroying the planet” hyperbole is pure idiocy. Earth has been around for over 4 billion years. Humans have existed for a snap of a finger. This planet has endured FAR more catastrophic periods than anything humans could ever throw at it. It’s survived just fine - numerous times. *We’re* the ones who aren’t going to survive. The Earth will continue on for billions more years after we’re long gone. Just as it did before we got here.
That back in their day, one person could work an average 40 hr job and still afford a mortgage, car and a family. Im in my early thirties and my spouse and I both work more than 40 hrs each at well paying jobs. With side hustle jobs and can only afford a house. We have no kids and have no time to vacation cause we need to work work work to afford our mortgage we millennials were 'oh so lucky' to get. I dont want to work so much just to afford basics.
I worked 4 jobs and was barely making it. Fortunately, I had great disability insurance. Although my body is too wracked to "enjoy my retirement".
My grandfather worked for the railroad in the forties and fifties. His wife was a stay at home mother of five little girls (including triplets), he bought his own house and car. One job supported all of them. The same job today wouldn't pay enough, and his wife would have had to get a job as well, to make ends meet.
I dont know what "day" you are thinking of! My Dad spent half his income on house payments and the rest on other bills. Mom worked to pay for food. Got their first new car after 20 years together. Lots of hours doing auto repairs, plumbing, upkeep etc, on old cars and house because they couldnt afford to hire it out. Christmas presents that are necessities (clothes). It was no better for my generation. Now they think the world is ending if they cant get the new $1000 cell phone. Pay attention to what is important. Buy what you can afford and take care of it. Dont buy what you dont need. The point is to have real expectations. If you have to save for 15 years and drive awful cars you can get to the point of owning a house. In that there is hope. Despair never accomplished anything.
School is much harder. In high school, both of my parents only required one algebra class to graduate. Today, I needed algebra I, algebra 2 and geometry to graduate and another math class if you plan on going to college.
BS, I'm probably your parents age and I needed more than just one algebra class to graduate.
This irks me. I had to have four years of math to go to college/ uni too. And I'm early GenX. Soooo..... they're nto the first.
I guess I went to a weird school in 1970's I had to take almost all those math classes also. Not the 3rd math for college. I do have to say that my son took a lot of math classes in HS ( but he was a math major) and I stopped being able to follow his homework back in grade school.
OMG you have to know something to go to college! Wow. Can you cope with that? Are you confortable with this? How do yo feel? It is ok to struggle with this new information. Need therapy?
I tried helping my kids with their school work and have to say, I have the upmost respect for younger generations, it is harder, they have to work harder than I did
We do need our phones. Yes, there's lots of ways to use them just for fun, but you are not employable or socially viable if you don't have a smart phone. It's not a point of pride to "not mess around with those darn texting machines," it's annoying and dangerous. I can never get a hold of my 72 year old father, and it is not cute because that's not how the world works anymore.
Yeah this is true. I'd love to ditch my phone, but you have to have one these days. It's annoying.
It is amazing both how useful and how stressful these can be. I have started the habit of turning it off for a day and after a few hours, I can tell my mood has improved. Unfortunately we don't have a land-line for emergencies anymore and due to health issues with family I am unable to drop of the network for anything but short periods anymore.
Load More Replies..."I can never get a hold of my 72 year old father, " Maybe he wants some peace and quiet.
Things change.
A lot of boomers have seen tons and tons of change, but are stuck in a certain set of years (seventies, eighties, etc) , and don't want to let go. A lot of that, as well, is the perception of the US as being run by 'old white guys', as the 'way it should be', and a real fear of non-whites as a growing percentage of the country - and how they will affect representation. Some of my relatives in the south straight-up say 'this is a white nation, and should be run by white men'. Anything else scares the daylights out of them.
Millennials are grown ass adults. Literally the youngest conceivable cut point for millennials (ability to candidly remember pre-9/11 at least for US in my opinion) is in the latter half of their mid 20s. The oldest possible cut point is in their early 40s. Millennials didn’t kill industries. Complacency and a lack of forethought killed them. Taxi monopolies had a decade or more to make an app or whatever that was transparent about pricing, route and at least vastly more secure for riders than an anonymous pickup. We didn’t kill Applebee’s, the world is just more accessible now and I’d rather eat something more interesting than frozen and microwaved dishes I can make at least as well at home for 10% of the cost. Industries committed suicide because they thought being the best when we were 6 was going to be good enough. You gave us participation trophies although I agree they’re dumb. You were the snowflakes who couldn’t let your precious little angel grapple with the fact that he wont be one of the like 500 NBA players one day. It is wholly unnecessary to spend 10 minutes giving me directions somewhere.
Did Applebee's finally die?! That would be great. The food is awful
unfortunately no, they're still around, low-key catering to the ultraconservative crowd
Load More Replies...That you can't just walk outside and get jobs stuck in your hair or on the soles of your shoes anymore, also that minimum wage jobs will in no way allow you to earn enough money to get on the property ladder. If you do manage to land a job you have to jump through a billion hoops such as uploading a CV as well as filling in a form asking for the exact same information that's included in your CV, group assessments and all that carry on. It's not enough to just hand a CV over anymore and get an interview. Even if you know how to game the system getting a job is bloody difficult. Maybe back in the 60s you could afford to support a family with a full time job flipping burgers, but not anymore.
Yes, I fully appreciate how cumbersome and annoying it is to upload your resume only to also fill in the same information on the form. Been there. But guess who gets the job. Lesson: ya do what ya gotta do, even if you don't like it. Who knows, maybe it's a test and part of the recruitment process. Can you see this from an employer's perspective? Do you want to hire the person that won't fill out a form because they've built up this moral opposition to it and think they shouldn't have to do it?
Seeing "help wanted" signs also doesn't mean that they'll hire anyone, or that the rate of pay for that job is competitive, or that the job doesn't have significant qualifications.
I wish they could understand that we are not playing edgy...we are legitimately depressed, as the years go by life is supposed to be better, improving ! but no...just because you see us as kids doesn't mean we can't do any good, stop the condescending behavior and let us help fix the mistakes you don't even consider as real.
the catch is this: YOU have to improve your life. right or wrong, other generations see millennials as waiting for someone else to come along and fix their depression and lives for them. obviously not true for all millennials (just as all these assumptions about boomers and gen X aren't true for all) but that's the overall impression being left.
They took everything. They are still taking everything. Their lifespan is draining our whole society from pensions, healthcare, education housing, tax policy, the list goes on and on. They took advantage and were bad stewards of the society they inherited. The me me me generation is not millennials... it's the baby boomers.
Millennials and Gen Z - remember this when the succeeding generations talk the same smack about you.!
More human nature, we are hard coded by evolution to hord stuff as survival instinct. Same reason why the "oh so good" socialism/communism will always fail as well as why we will go extinct way earlier than necessary through ever increasing world population.
Load More Replies...Boomers invented the technology this person uses to whine about boomers.
The Boomer generation didn't "Take" anything that belonged to the younger generations... Most of us have worked very hard and contributed a great deal. When the younger individuals and generations have done the same, you will have earned our respect.... Until then, to say that the Biimers " have taken more than our share, taken advantage, have been bad stewards, and the list goes on and on" while you even complain about our lifespan, makes me really think that, those that feel that way, are really the ones that need a major attitude adjustment and I'm fine with letting you hit rock bottom! .... I also hope my lifespan is extended by several extra years!!!
... I meant Boomers"... not Biimers.... I just got myself too worked up when I saw that there are those that are even begrudging the continued existence of our Boomer generation. Glad now that I don't have children or grandchildren... this is so insulting in addition to being heart-breaking! I will still help and share where it is appreciated.
Load More Replies...That my gender, sexuality, and romantic orientation are valid and not “made up labels to make me feel special.” Also that the US education system is f****d up and desperately needs reform for many reasons. Actually that a lot of systems in the US need reform
The article should be called "AMERICAN millenials share things they wish older generations knew"
Came here to say the same thing. I'm also pretty sick of this artificial separation of people into millenials and boomers. Those groupings are useful tools for social studies, not everyday life.
Load More Replies...OK, I'll get hated, but can other GenXers from the US back me up? We had all this and nobody gave a rat's butt, and millennials then tell us we didn't have it that bad. How about we stop whinging about what sh*t we had, and just say, "Hey, thanks for this!" and make things *better*? Can we just try that? Without posting on social media about it? (I write with clear awareness of the irony, thanks.)
All the debates I've seen are "millennials vs boomers". Gen X is pretty much ignored.
Load More Replies...Gen X’er here, and I think they’re confusing “conservatives” with “older generations…” 🤦🏽♀️ SO many misunderstandings here.
First of all, BP, can we refrain from posting things that pit young people vs "old" people. It's not helpful. So many of the issues are absolutely true and I try not to think that way or say those things. This "argument" has existed in some form or other for each generational divide. I remember mine. As far as us boomers & technology, we have experienced a rapid explosion unlike any generation in history. Things are changing so fast it's overwhelming. You grew up on it & so dealing with rapid change is part of who you are. But consider this fair warning. What goes around comes around. At some shocking moment it will hit you that what you just said sounded just like your parents. 😱😭 There will always be new things & changes in society that when you get there you'll fail to understand. Trust me, "When I was young" & "In my day" WILL COME SHOOTING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Hopefully, like more boomers than you think do this, 💡! Shut up and remember.
Tired of the "boomers are stupid" stuff on here. I despise labels. This thread isn't "heartbreaking". Many of these comments apply to any generation, age, etc. depending on THE person's worldview, idiocy level, experience...etc. etc. I despise generalizations. I get tired of people looking for labels and "you did this to us, you did that to us!" stuff to divide people. I dislike all these articles that just seem to want to fan the flames, where I had been enjoying reading BP and didn't see a need for any flames.
Why is it that millennials seem to believe they/we are the first to have different beliefs/feelings/expectations etc to the generation before? It seems we expect respect for our lifestyles but refuse to do the same in reverse. On a side note the whole argument for the value of money being less now although partially true it doesn’t take into account facts like there was no such thing as ‘fast fashion’ in previous decades a person in the 50s for example had to save for a new item of clothing and would wear the same pair of shoes for years by getting them fixed at a cobbler, in essence people lived within their means
To hear my Baby Boomer aged relatives talk, they were the first. *sigh*
Load More Replies...Interesting but it is sad to see another USA centric article. It seems that most of them are.
Jip, it seems that some BP editors have an obsession with the USA.
Load More Replies...The article should be called "AMERICAN millenials share things they wish older generations knew"
Came here to say the same thing. I'm also pretty sick of this artificial separation of people into millenials and boomers. Those groupings are useful tools for social studies, not everyday life.
Load More Replies...OK, I'll get hated, but can other GenXers from the US back me up? We had all this and nobody gave a rat's butt, and millennials then tell us we didn't have it that bad. How about we stop whinging about what sh*t we had, and just say, "Hey, thanks for this!" and make things *better*? Can we just try that? Without posting on social media about it? (I write with clear awareness of the irony, thanks.)
All the debates I've seen are "millennials vs boomers". Gen X is pretty much ignored.
Load More Replies...Gen X’er here, and I think they’re confusing “conservatives” with “older generations…” 🤦🏽♀️ SO many misunderstandings here.
First of all, BP, can we refrain from posting things that pit young people vs "old" people. It's not helpful. So many of the issues are absolutely true and I try not to think that way or say those things. This "argument" has existed in some form or other for each generational divide. I remember mine. As far as us boomers & technology, we have experienced a rapid explosion unlike any generation in history. Things are changing so fast it's overwhelming. You grew up on it & so dealing with rapid change is part of who you are. But consider this fair warning. What goes around comes around. At some shocking moment it will hit you that what you just said sounded just like your parents. 😱😭 There will always be new things & changes in society that when you get there you'll fail to understand. Trust me, "When I was young" & "In my day" WILL COME SHOOTING OUT OF YOUR MOUTH! Hopefully, like more boomers than you think do this, 💡! Shut up and remember.
Tired of the "boomers are stupid" stuff on here. I despise labels. This thread isn't "heartbreaking". Many of these comments apply to any generation, age, etc. depending on THE person's worldview, idiocy level, experience...etc. etc. I despise generalizations. I get tired of people looking for labels and "you did this to us, you did that to us!" stuff to divide people. I dislike all these articles that just seem to want to fan the flames, where I had been enjoying reading BP and didn't see a need for any flames.
Why is it that millennials seem to believe they/we are the first to have different beliefs/feelings/expectations etc to the generation before? It seems we expect respect for our lifestyles but refuse to do the same in reverse. On a side note the whole argument for the value of money being less now although partially true it doesn’t take into account facts like there was no such thing as ‘fast fashion’ in previous decades a person in the 50s for example had to save for a new item of clothing and would wear the same pair of shoes for years by getting them fixed at a cobbler, in essence people lived within their means
To hear my Baby Boomer aged relatives talk, they were the first. *sigh*
Load More Replies...Interesting but it is sad to see another USA centric article. It seems that most of them are.
Jip, it seems that some BP editors have an obsession with the USA.
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