“I Get Called Gay For Doing That”: 35 This ‘Real Men’ Would Never Do, According To Women
Some people have wildly different understandings of masculinity and what it means to be a “real” man. These attitudes can put a lot of pressure on folks to fit certain stereotypes out of fear that they’ll be left out. When, in reality, “real” men do whatever it is that men do, from growing flowers to crying.
After going on a slightly bizarre date, internet user u/Bikini_baby767 sparked a candid and important discussion on r/AskMen. The members of this popular online group opened up about the times that they’ve been called out for not being “real men” while doing completely ordinary things. Scroll down to see what they’ve experienced.
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I like flowers. I grow flowers around my property and sometimes post pictures on Facebook.
Very often I get called gay for doing that. I don’t give a s**t.
How fragile must your masculinity be if you can't even appreciate nature?
So let me get this straight: women call this guy gay because he likes flowers, and he doesn't care that they call him gay, but somehow HE'S the problem? How is HE the problem?
Load More Replies...Imma 6'2"(189 cm), hairy as Bigfoot, boringly straight man, and I will stop and smell as many beautiful flowers as I want! I've got my petunias on my balcony and I love them. Gotta problem with that? I REALLY do not care lol
can I have some of your height lol, i'm 5'4 and a half
Load More Replies...As a woman, I thank God every day for men like my dad and my grandfather for teaching me a love of gardening and bright pretty flowers.
so... lemme get this straight, if you're a man working your a*s off in a field as a farmer, it's manly, but if you're doing the same thing in your garden for enjoyment, it's gay? ffs i hate this world sometimes.
I plant flowers and plants too. I had to manually dig up and contour my own flower beds, which is hard manual labor. Then every year I remove the old top soil, shlep in fresh nutrient soil and mulch, use it to plant the new plants, etc. What is not manly about that? Plus the results look nice and you show it with pride
Oh man! My favorite are all the little clover and grass flowers that come up in the yard in early spring. Love it!
Same. Also, by women and not men just so we're clear. My bros think it's cool. I just love bees and hummingbirds. I want them to be ok.
I once had a girl I was interested in laugh at me for drinking tea and said "what kind of guy drinks tea?"
B***h half my family is British, what do you expect?
Heck yeah, as I sip from my morning pint of tea... A pint is about one banana high and about 14 golf balls in volume for anyone across the pond...
That, and she's too stupid to think that only women drink tea.
Load More Replies...There's nothing manlier than that: Tea-Machin...10b467.jpg
Real men apparently just skip the water, rip open the tea bag, and snort it.
Question: "what kind of guy drinks tea?" Answer: the kind of guy who likes tea. Anything else you want to know?
She wot? He's british yeh! Why wouldn't 'e drink tea? Bit of a charlie in't she?
All my family is British. And I have between one and four cups of tea a day before leaving the house.
Sent my kid to an EPISCOPALIAN (Anglican church in the U.S.A.; famously the most liberal of trinitarian churches) pre-school in the most bitterly partisan left-wing county in America outside of DC and Market Street, SF, CA. Kid comes home thinking drinking tea is gay. "The Fat Controller (Sorry, we watched ancient Thomas episodes with the original voiceovers together) drinks tea." "He's gay I guess." "He has a wife." "Doesn't mean he's not gay; only means he doesn't want people to THINK he's gay." WTF taught my son about beards????
Because I'm not into cars. I think some look nice and some look bad, but I don't care what engine they have. I don't care how fast they can get to 80mph (there's no highway around that even let's you go that fast). And I don't care what rims or spoiler is on them. They're just methods of transportation to me, but that apparently makes me an undesirable non man.
Well then OP then I too am a non man, wheels go round it's blue and makes a click click noise sometimes....#mycar....
I have a sticker on the back of my beat-up truck which says, basically, that i used to fly A-4 Skyhawks, so i don't give a s**t about cars.
My SIL made my brother buy a ridiculous huge American pickup truck. Because her dad always drove one, and "men drive trucks". Women can be just as toxic as men.
I am like that, i am really really not interested by cars or engines and motorsports. I never have been discriminated about that but i feel sometimes lost when a group of dudes talk about cars.
Toxic masculinity is a narrow group of characteristics that have been traditionally associated with what it means to be a “real man.” Often, these attitudes are damaging not only to the individual’s mental, emotional, and physical health, but they also have a negative impact on the people around them.
To put it bluntly, toxic masculinity is when men are pressured to be aggressive, competitive, selfish, and violent. They’re expected to dominate, take risks, and be promiscuous. They’re also expected to hide “feminine” qualities such as being emotionally vulnerable, asking for help, or showing their true feelings.
Ordering a hot cocoa instead of beer.
I love flowers.
And I love to cuddle.
Oh plz!! You know guys like that aren't on the market
Load More Replies...cuddling is the best. i'm gonna go cuddle my cats instead of finishing this listicle.
I like hot chocolate and beer (not at the same time). What does that say about me?
A woman came to my house and criticised how neat and clean it was. Apparently, men don't live like that. Turns out her house was an absolute pig sty.
My wife actually hates how clean I am. I hate clutter and untidiness. But, that's due to being raised by my military stepfather who threw a fit whenever anything was out of place or a spec of dust in my room (A KID'S ROOM!) So now, I'm pretty much brainwashed into cleaning all the time.
My only objection to a man cleaning would be if he moved my clutter around. Husband doesn't do much housework, but he likes to shove my s**t were he won't see it. On the other hand, he's not totally wrong.
Load More Replies...Me and my sister are super messy but my brother has always been the clean one
What an odd uno reverse card she played... Also she was embarrassed by her own home. Also also, her standards must be at a very unhealthy low for significant others if she's basically offended at this man being both straight, AND able manage basic upkeep of a home.
If she was criticizing the guy because his room was dirty while her home is messy, then it would be hypocrisy, but since she isn't neat herself, it's kind of consistent with her character that she's critical of a tidy home.
Load More Replies...Men always keep cleaner homes! Or at least, for the most part! I lived in rented properties for a little over 10 years and all the landlords told me they prefer to rent to males or couples because they had bad experiences with female only renters about cleanliness... But I guess that's more of a cultural thing because here, in Romania, most men don't mind cleaning or cooking!
If I met a man who kept his house clean and tidy (especially his bathroom and kitchen) that's an instant turn-on.
Girl in high school told me once if I didn’t drink or smoke I wasn’t a real man. A teacher she liked (they were both Vietnamese and he had been helping her with adjusting to Canada) intervened and said that taking care of your health is what a real man would do….
So if you’re not dying of lung cancer by your 40’s you’re not a real man? Guess I’ll choose not to be a real man then
I used to think the two Bs (bunts and booze) maketh the man, all because of peer pressure. After nearly hacking out a lung on my first cigarette, one of those notions died pretty much immediately. I did enjoy booze for a bit until I realized all it did was made me rush to the nearest bathroom for a #2. Nowadays, wine just does it for me. I did experiment with weed for a bit but ultimately decided against investing in it because a friend told me about dependency issues that may develop in the long run. Do as you must, Pandas and Pandettes, but be safe.
I'm assuming you mean "catnip" ya know, for your cats.
Load More Replies...Smoking is just stupid, you end up paying a high price for it down the line for a short moment of pleasure now... and smoking just to look smart is even more stupid. Everyone can give in to group pressure, the strong ones are those that can resist it. The easiest time to stop smoking is before the first cigarette, and the SMART guys have figured this out.
May 31 is World No Tobacco Day. If you don't smoke, tell others. If you do, quit. [ https://www.who.int/campaigns/world-no-tobacco-day ]
smoking causes impotence. I'm not just saying, it is a medical fact.
Vulnerability can be a powerful way for you to connect to the people around you. Human beings respect each other more when they’re authentic and honest, instead of trying to put up some sort of front.
The irony is that by being open about our weaknesses and embracing our flaws, we actually end up becoming emotionally stronger and more accepted. If, on the other hand, we try to hide our insecurities, we can come off as untrustworthy or “fake.” Alas, even in this day and age, many men are still expected to “just deal with it” on their own if they’re struggling with anything.
For crying AT A FUNERAL. A lifelong friend of mine lost his sister tragically, and as my friend and I knew each other for almost twenty years, she was like a sister of my own. I was devastated at the service.
I’m so sorry for your loss. It’s understandable that you would be devastated. There’s absolutely nothing wrong with showing your feelings & crying. Women who insist that men not show their emotions are shallow.
What kind of woman would say a guy isn't a "real man" for crying at a funeral.....like what the fvk?
Many, unfortunately. But mostly older women. Thank goodness they will have their funeral soon and without crying men (supposedly).
Load More Replies...And even in this post he felt the need to justify it. Friend's sister? I don't care if it was your dog walker's third cousins estranged parakeet. If it's sad to you, it's sad. No excuse necessary.
I feel free to cry at any funeral, with the exception of my own. There I'll display a stiff upper lip.
My nephew died way too young. His Air Force buddies attended the viewing and funeral. One of them - a tall, strapping young man - walked up to me and hugged me. He broke down and cried on my shoulder for several minutes. That took a lot of bravery on his part, and I love him for showing me his vulnerability. I commend it.
Sadly the world doesn't conform to ideals, it kinda sucks.
Load More Replies...What kind of woman wants a man who holds it all in until he punches a wall or her? I'm very stoic when need be - like an emergency. But when a loved one dies and I'm sad I cry. Mom, dad, step--dad, grandmother, long time friend. I'm reminded of the song 'Alone Again'... "I remember I cried when my father died Never wishing to hide the tears"
After the death of a relative, I commented that I was a bit surprised my husband didn't cry at the funeral as it was his relative. He said he didn't need to cry to be sad. I love this guy. He's the manliest man I know and he likes flowers and cats and values like fairness, mentoring others, and being helpful. He doesn't have anything to prove.
Wearing pink. Imagine being so insecure about a colour.
Fun fact: pink was actually used for boys,and blue for girls,let a woman say I'm gay or feminine for wearing anything pink,I'll sit her down like a little girl in school and give her facts to sink into her empty head
If you cobble together a couple time periods worth of outfits, this can result in wearing a very masculine bright pink miniskirt (medieval tunic) and high heels( intended for cavalry)
Load More Replies...In the 19th century boys often wore pink as it was seen as a masculine colour. Think it has something to do with wounds and war if I remember correctly.
You mean 18th century. By the 19th century, men were wearing brown and black and navy almost exclusively.
Load More Replies...A shell pink fender stratocaster with a maple fretboard is next on my list of guitars to acquire
Personally, I'd go for a Fender Jazzmaster in shell pink 🙂
Load More Replies...I'm a woman, and I hate pink. But I will not care what anyone else wears.
I actually won't wear rainbows because I don't want to be catogorized
I had a guy friend in high school who had a pink t-shirt that said "keep laughing, this is your girlfriend's t-shirt". I loved that kid!😂
If you don't do what a woman wants you to, she will try to shame you into it by attacking your masculinity. It's selfish, unkind and childishly, transparently manipulative. Stupid, selfish, childish women are not worth keeping in your life.
Not all women are like that. I'll be out in our driveway changing the oil in my car while husband cooks dinner anytime I have to work on either of our vehicles. I certainly don't think of him as less manly. He doesn't think of me as less feminine.
Do NOT be like macbeth. Part of the reason he died was because of his wife attacked his masculinity for not wanting to kill the king-
I love Shakespeare. I find Macbeth hilarious. Wait ... Does that make me gay?
Load More Replies...Correction, not "women" but "insecure immature women". It's an important distinction.
Please do try to not paint with so broad a brush. Not all women do this. Some are pretty level-headed, actually.
It’s hard to build any real connection—or even foster a brotherhood of sorts—if everyone’s constantly avoiding talking about the truth out of fear of “damaging” their reputation or being ostracized.
If you’re struggling with your mental health issues, the rational thing to do would be to ask for help and support. That way, you instantly jump to solving the problem. And that’s much more efficient than suffering alone while putting up a facade of nonchalance. Similarly, if your health is suffering, the logical thing to do is to immediately see your doctor. If you try to ignore the issue or pretend that it’ll all go away on its own, you’re only harming yourself more.
Owning a cat.
So true! My top fave guys have all been cat lovers. It's how I knew they were sweeties ❤️
Load More Replies...Yes, in ancient times, cats were worshipped. They never forgot that.
Load More Replies...But cats are the best? but dogs are also the best. so are rats. and birds. hell, just hand me the the cute lil animal so i can make baby noises at it already!
I'd rather be gay than not have a cat. Appreciating a wonderful companion is supposed to be gay? When was this person born, in the 13th century? As a pumpkin?
Men who loved cats were the sexiest men to me when I was younger, lol. Also: cats are not obedient like dogs: I'd feel the guy is someone who doesn't crave control over his partners. Just my take.
I wore an apron while cooking.
"I don't want to ruin my clothes while I cook" "Well then you're not a real man!"
I wonder if OP calmly expressed his displeasure like Gordon Ramsey.
Load More Replies...These are making my head want to explode. A neat partner, a partner that likes to cook. Sign me up.
Not to mention the cuddly partner! If I hadn’t been married 40 years I’d be tempted!
Load More Replies...Lol! My ex used to wear just an apron when frying bacon for breakfast. I will have to say that at the time, as a bacon loving newlywed, him being gay was the last thing I thought!
Invite her to dinner. Cook while wearing an apron. JUST AN APRON - AND NOTHING ELSE!!
Dinner with an ex and her roommate a long time ago. Ordered a salad with grilled salmon on it, roommate thought it was embarrassing because real men are supposed to eat steaks and s**t when going out to dinner. Laughed my a*s off at her.
Eat what you want. And then get out of that date. Real men, what a joke.
And that was the reason why she is your ex.. just enjoy your salad.
Hey William-some-people-are different, where are you, we miss you and your sharp-witted comment here! Come back, pretty Please?
Imagine how some people were brought up, and what they believe. Not necessarily something I would hold against them. Sometines they do not know any better.
Try being vegan and see what these jackass's say. I laugh it off any time.
Moving away from a culture of toxic masculinity toward healthy masculinity is a long process. It takes years of education to get people to accept the importance of things like vulnerability, emotional intelligence, and embracing who we are instead of fearing social backlash.
However, on an individual level, everyone can foster healthy masculinity. And it all starts with self-awareness. You can try to catch yourself whenever you start judging someone based on stereotypes. Meanwhile, you can encourage your social circle to open up and feel safe around you by showing that you’re not scared of being vulnerable either. Slowly, that should build a shared environment of trust among you, your friends, and your relatives.
I paid a moving company to move a bunch of furniture. She massively disrespected me in front of the movers, commenting about how they were "real men" (implying I wasn't). We are no longer together.
The look on her face when you call the same movers to move you out of her place...lol...
"Actually guys, can you take that to the truck? I'll show you the route to my house."
Load More Replies...Look I work out and I still threw my back out lifting a sofa because the weight was awkwardly distributed, I couldn't grab it properly, and my brother and I didn't lift at the same time.
Oh, yes. Being born with a penis somehow makes you able to lift things when called upon.
Only if you're really, really happy.
Load More Replies...Wow. I must smoke poles all day then. Exchange money for my back not hurting? Deal.
I can think of two weird things: for wearing a seat belt while driving and for using an umbrella to stay dry. Not the same woman, and the examples happened years apart.
Nothing says “macho” better than a lacerated head, as you fly through a windscreen.
That's beta male. A real alpha will get his neck snapped from it.
Load More Replies...Yeah, if you have a car accident at least die like a REAL MAN! /s
I am female, I wear hearing aids, an umbrella keeps my hearing aids dry. If it works for me, why would it not work for a man? I imagine men would like to keep their hearing aids dry also
Likely there are some who would say that wearing hearing aids isn't macho enough, either.
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I rejected her sexual advances. Made me "girly"
I asked another how she felt. That wasn't very manly either, apparently.
Insulting and questioning a man and his sexuality just cause the guy turned her down is toxic femcel behaviour.
Load More Replies...Well it's mildly embarrassing if a chap rejects your interest, but how can it possibly be girly
Maybe some women feel that if a man rejects her he must be gay, because no straight man could resist her?
Load More Replies...This is just one of the many examples of conflicting pressures put on men every day. It's best to just be yourself and that should attract the people who appreciate you for you.
Yeah, women are like "I need to consent", but if a man doesn't pressure you that you so that need to throw out the "consent" card (I am not denigrating the issue of consenting). dammed if you do, dammed if you don't
Load More Replies...Talk about a Catch -22. Men aren't supposed to care about a woman's feelings (apparently) but get called AHs if they don't.
But if SHE rejected YOUR advances that would make her strong and brave... Get in the fuc*ing bin with this macho bullshi*....
A friend ask me about this Me: " if you dont want to do it dont do it". Friend: Are we men allowed to do this? Me: Yes we are. He was relieved, I was shocked ( for me its normal ).
My dad said I was a big fairy for wearing deodorant and not just using a bar of soap to wash my hair. Using shampoo made me a big fairy powder puff, apparently.
One of many pearls of wisdom he tried to give me.
He would s**t himself if he knew that I use moisturiser on occasion.
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Load More Replies...My father in law is the same, and my husband used to buy bars of soap or these multi-purpose shower gel/shampoo/car wash/ paint stripper combos because everything else is "unmanly". However, a few years back husband decided to grow his hair and as it turns out, multi-purpose cleaners don't work for longer hair. Now, he has his own shampoo and conditioners. FIL is mortified. But, to quote the husband, he'd rather follow hair care tips from his wife who has long hair herself, than his father who went bald.
Oh, some people just don't understand that other people are different from them!
Oh i think they do understand, they just refuse to accept it or let others live.
Load More Replies...Bar of SOAP to wash your hair?? My father's a Vietnam veteran and even he thinks that's the stupidest thing he's heard today.
I didn't know shampoo was unmanly? Getting cleaned up and using deodorant is at least very gentlemanly, I thought it was just doing extra stuff like moisturizing or styling hair was not masculine, which is BS cuz I haven't known a man who doesn't do extra or who hasn't cared how his hair and face look. Bizarre. Hygiene is a basic human activity
Liking opera music. Pursuing a PhD instead of construction work or being a trucker idk. Not groping her on our first (and last) date.
So being cultural and intelligent and a gentleman is gay? Then I'd rather be gay to avoid women like her.
"You didn't grope me." "Uh, well of course I didn't!" "What kind of man are you?"
Got to be a red flag because a real man wouldn't wave a pink flag, right?
Load More Replies...Because "Va pensiero, sull'ali dorate" from Verdi's "Nabucco", "Der Freischutz" by Carl Maria von Weber or the works of Richard Wagner can only be enjoyed by feminine people?
My husband is a trucker. But he also has a cat, likes flowers, and uses an umbrella. Should I be worried?
Ten to one if he HAD groped her on the first date, she'd have yelled bloody murder and called him a perv.
Because I called an Uber instead of getting in the car with her when we were both heavily day drinking on a 3rd date. Red flags aplenty all day while bar hopping.
I won’t have a single drink and get into my car. I don’t care what the BAC limit is, for me it’s a zero reading (I do have a morning-after breathalyser).
This is actually a thing, I can't find the term for it but a lot of people feel tipsy the first drink or two but then because if the judgement impairment stop being able to determine their own safety. No driving after one for me, I am done til the next day(the morning after breathalyser seems a good idea though!)
Load More Replies...Because you have more common sense than her, you're not a "real man" - by her standards, anyway. Fekking heck! Hope there wasn't a 4th date, after that.
Ok, so it's manly to drive around drunk or let other drunks drive you around? Got it. 🙄
Not exactly a "you're not a real man" moment but close. I had a girl once explain that as a girl she gets to do whatever she wants and I need to make sure to hold down the bills and accept her decisions as the man. So I get the only restrictions in the relationship. We broke up, now I am married and welcoming my first child with a perfect woman.
"So, I'm the woman, you're the man. I do what I want, and you pay for it, without question"
Don't forget the part where his willingness to follow these insane demands will be rewarded with mediocre sex which she'll think is either mind blowing sex on her part or blame him for not fulfilling her needs. Women like this are the bottom feeders of the human race.
Load More Replies...I would be interested to know how that worked out for her.
Sounds like she wants you to 'be a real man', but she wants to 'wear the pants'.
She's going to say that to the wrong man some day and it's not going to go well for her 😔
My ex-wife: A real man makes seven figures. If you can't handle me physically hitting you, then you're not a real man.
Your wife hitting you is spousal abuse - it works both ways. She has no respect for others. If she’s not willing to stop hitting you then get out while you can.
I'm a woman and my opinion on this is if a woman can hit like a man then she can BE hit like a man. Too many women get away with physically abusing a man because they use the "But I'm a GIRL!" excuse. If it's abuse when a man does it to a woman then it's abuse if a woman does it to a man.
Load More Replies...I would so badly want to tell her (hypothetically of course) that she's not a real real woman if she can't take a hard right hook.
And explain to everyone that she walked into the door frame
Load More Replies...Not advocating violence against anyone, but I'd tell her " I can handle you physically hitting me. Whether you can handle the self-defensive reflexes I'll show is another story". I've seen spousal violence work both ways before so I'm inclined to believe in self-defense, regardless of gender >:-(
Welcome to earth, you can stay for a week but then return to whatever planet you're from.
As a child, I was taught this by my father: "A gentleman never hits a lady, and if she hits him, she's no lady"
"seven figures"? Can somebody please explain to me what that means?
Women who hit men and believe that 'never hitting a woman' will protect her is the worst kind of trash.
I went on a first date and when we sit down the woman stares at me and gives me a look of utter disgust and asks in an equally contemptuous voice, “Um…. Do you normally wear glasses?”.
I usually just get by by using sonar like a bat or a dolphin.
**takes off glasses*** "Oh you're right! Much prettier without them..."
OMG... You wanna actually SEE may God have mercy on your unmanly soul🤣🤣🤣
'No, i can wear them abnormally!' (Removes glasses, inverts them, puts them back on.)
Yup, they help me see clearly. Like the cannonball I'm about to dodge in front of me... -_-"
Me too... and I don't find walking around in a blur and bumping into stuff to be fun. Or manly ;)
Load More Replies...I told a girl I wanted to stay at my 5'8 and 140lb lean build given I'm a competitive marathon runner. She said a real guy would be trying to bulk up and be as big as possible.
Eh, different sports need different body compositions? Ever heard of that.
I don't know a single sport that requires you to be as big and muscular as possible. Even in, say, football (american style). Being big may help you overpower someone, but if you're just a block of solid muscle you're not going to be very agile or quick. Also, how do you scratch your own back? lol
Load More Replies...As big as possible can get into the absurd, and at some point it straight up start becoming impractical, and isn't really sexy anymore.
Date what you want, don't turn someone else into something you want.
A svelte and fit man can win a fight by dodging and quick punches to vulnerable spots, and against any goon of any size.
I consider myself a man. Men who work out and really bulk up and have lots of muscles is so gross to me.
Using coupons.
She fully believed that a man should not use coupons. She said it embarrassed her, and often made fun of me for it.
So saving money is unmanly, eh? Welp, let me just put on one of me mum's blouse and dress pants, shove them to the brim with coupons, and head to the supermarket for groceries -_-"
Grab a purse, the pants won't have enough pocket room.
Load More Replies...Then I guess my husband isn't a man. He's usually the one looking for grocery coupons and asking me if they'll be useful since I'm the one usually making the list every week.
Weird cuz I encourage unmanly behaviors like not wasting money and helping out around house and cooking--nothing more attractive on a man than being sensible and contributing to the household however they can.
Not me, but I remember one time a woman was talking about how "guys who change a tire with gloves on are pussies." Spoken like someone who had never changed a tire and scraped their knuckles on asphalt lol.
Sorry, but aren't work gloves exactly made for the purpose of... well, doing work with them?
So, she likes rough, calloused hands on her body? To each their own, I guess.
I work with metal and I always wear gloves. I just don`t like to get my hands all dirty and greasy and it`s hard to wash off. Am I unmanly?
Not unmanly, you're pratical. I wear gloves when staining wood, working with epoxy, mineral spirits, etc. Like TotallyNOTAFox said above, work gloves are for work
Load More Replies...I have been in situations where I needed to change a flat. Not fun and any help would have been appreciated, more so gloves (which I regretfully didn't have at the time and got a few good gashes from the asphalt). That woman probably wouldn't know how to work a jack, IMO.
Wow! liberal BP didn't block out pussies? Oh my!! Someone slipped a nip... :)
I hate working with gloves on, I don't like the cramed feeling around my fingers, and would rather get a few bruises and scratches, than loosing the delicate feeling with what I am doing. However, I have an understanding for those who feel different and prefer gloves, so I don't comment on it or shame them. We are just different in this regard, and if I work with some nasty chemicals, or am handling thorny branches gloves comes on.
That's whay gloves are for. This woman clearly has never even held a screwdriver in her hand, my husband would not touch my car as he hates grease and the smell of it. Me on the other hand i 'll get under my car and his if necessary. That's just childish, god forbid if her husband changed the babies diapers one day!!!!
Had someone tell me it's cringe as a man to live with your parents as an adult, but it's perfectly fine for women to live with their parents as an adult as long as they want. Always been a weird one to me. Like, so I fall on hard times and my parents want to help, so I guess I'm no longer a man 🤷.
Don’t judge someone if you don’t know their circumstances. It’s understandable for a parent to help their offspring, no matter the age. And if I hit a bad patch, and someone who cared about me wanted/could help, I’d have the good grace and gratitude to accept. My sister’s ex, on the other hand, is nearing 40 and has never even explored the idea of finding his own path away from his mother. (It’s a slightly weird dynamic)
Or just don't judge people unless they do something that hurts others.
Load More Replies..."never judge a man until you've walked a mile in his shoes. That way you're a mile away and got his shoes"
I think that's unfairly mixed up with the man-childs whose moms still bring snackies down to basement for game time . Tbh, not ideal mate material. But lots of men rightly need their parents and conversely, actually help their parents. Intergenerational living should be normalized and not restricted to the ladies (who get treaTed like minors when they do). I recall single dad of 4 asking his dad if they could all stay with him cuz of hard times (tho he had a great job, bills and childcare add up) and he said no! Cuz "real men" figure it out I guess? Poor dads:(
In today's world, your wages don't meet your housing costs. If your parents take you in, that's great. No matter what your gender is.
Especially in California. I was lucky enough to buy in 2009 when real estate went to h.e.l.l. No way I could afford my own place now. I also purchased a 2 bedroom for family or friends that might need housing if down on their luck.
Load More Replies...For a lot of Italian-American men, it's traditional not to move out of your childhood home until you're married. Some of them might say it's unmanly to not be able to make a woman take care of you
This is 90% of young women I poland. When I was dating 8 years ago, I was earning rather bad money and had to live with parents. I had biiiig problems because of this. My younger friend is dating right now and he is in his own appartmen but he get the question (and voice of relief) all the time.
Easy - I was engaged, she had a baby. We break up, turns out baby isn't mine. Her sister ran into a friend of mine and claimed I was the father of said child. When my friend pointed out that the DNA conclusively determined that I was not the father, the ex's sister loudly proclaimed, "A real man would have stepped up and taken care of the baby anyway!" Pure insanity.
No, not the baby either. the baby has a father. That is who should step up.
Load More Replies...If the father was a real man, he would already have stepped up and taken care of his baby.
WTF? So, he's not manly because he doesn't let some crazy b***h baby-trap him?
Don't tell her what a 'real man' in her eyes would have done, because it would not have been pretty.
No-one should be held responsible for the consequences of an ex's cheating.
...yes, someone should: The ex, and whoever she cheated with. It is their business to deal with, not his.
Load More Replies...The actual father is a POS who can't hold down a job. Now she wishes she managed to keep OP
Every time I’d call out my ex for being rude to me, she’d say “be a man. A man would just take it. Instead of complaining over a little thing.” Every single day she would say the meanest things to me and she expected me to just take it cuz that’s being a man. I found it ironic cuz I thought a man WOULD defend himself against a mean person. That’s what a man would do.
I had an ex who would be really rude to me, and when I spoke to her about it she said “it’s just the heat of the moment - in future just tell me to stop being so rude and I’ll calm down”. Next time we had an argument it started again and I said “Please don’t talk to me like that”. Her response? “I’ll talk to you however I f*****g like”.
Yeah, no. That's bullying. No other word for it.
Load More Replies...Inconsistent logic on manliness, she going with whatever suits her unequal partnerships ideals to enable her s****y behavior
I still shave with an actual straight razor made by rolls razor in 1942 in London England. My ex told me shaving with that razor was womanly and should only be used for decoration. And to quote her ( any man that uses British steel is a b***h ) and quote.
Everybody knows that real men shave with a viking battle axe, during a raid to plunder a cloister in east Britain.
I sharpen the bones of my vanquished enemies and shave with them. Didn't know there was another way.
Not sure I'd trust myself with a straight razor. I'd end up with more cuts than the original Blade runner.
What? Since when was a shaving razor "womanly"?? Hello? Sweeney Todd anybody? (Okay maybe not the best example but still)
So let me get this straight, the guy does something that is stereotypically manly, that's how an action hero shaves in a movie. And she calls it womanly? She is, let me put it as politely as I can, fùcking dumb.
So... what were you supposed to use? Blade? Your knife? Flame? What would be "manly enough"?
A KA-BAR combat knife of course, everything else is for sissies! /S
Load More Replies...Wearing flip flops with a strap between the toes, using lotion, crying at my grandpa's funeral, crying at my grandmas funeral, not wanting to have sex after a child abuse case, not wanting sex just because I wasn't in the mood, taking baths, getting a massage.......... women love telling men what's a real man.
Sorry, but it's both. Odious beliefs and behaviors do not, a gender change.
Load More Replies...I will say I've dated more than one girl who has felt that as a man I should immediately jump at the opportunity for sex any time she's even slightly in the mood, regardless of if I've worked 18 hours or been going through s**t or any other reason. An oddly high number of women seem to think being a man means always being ready for sex regardless of circumstances.
Your masculinity must be quite fragile if you can't handle what other men choose to wear on their own feet.
Load More Replies...I didn't simply give her money whenever she asked for it. She deemed herself entitled to men's money - even if she didn't even know them.
Except her own. Clearly she needs a J.O.B. (edit - And an Attitude Adjustment and maybe some therapy)
Load More Replies...I, a man, am also entitled to mens' money. Now, how to convince THEM of that...
"You need to grow a beard." "You need to get some tattoos." Because *real men* grow beards and get tattoos. Funny story -- I had a buddy who was single and a female friend who was single. She liked guys with tattoos, and my buddy had many. The three of us are hanging out, but I could tell they weren't connecting. I talked to her later on and she explained that he was all right, but she didn't like all the tattoos he had. I pointed out that she liked guys with tattoos. She further explained that while this was true, he "didn't have the right kind" of tattoos. My friend had tattoos relating to comic books, and she found that to be a turn off. She even went so far to say that "real men" don't get tattoos like that.
I know a guy that's gay, has a unicorn tattoo and a tweety bird tattoo. He's also a former Green Beret, worked as a bouncer and a bad @ss MF in general. Women might not consider him to be a "real man" but I've got nothing but respect for him
I have a beard but no tattoos. And I have a beard because I'm too lazy to shave.
Well, comic book tattoos would be a turn off for me too. But I consider that different taste, not a barometer of 'manliness', lol. To each his own, we're all different.
I have a beard and tattoos! Not sure if they are the right kind though. How do I find out which are the right kind?
When I met my first girlfriend, I had long hair and a beard, and wore a leather jacket and engineer boots. She thought that was so sexy that she wouldn't leave me alone until I took her home. Later, we got engaged, and she got me to cut my hair and shave, and wear khakis. That didn't last and neither did we
So if OP HAD gotten tattoos, she would have expected to have say on what tattoo styles he put on his own body.
Not making a move or trying to have sex with her while she was drunk. She called me gay and lame lol.
I'd say she's already been through a few and thinks it's normal.
Load More Replies...Because you know this is the kind of girl that will change their story in the morning.
Load More Replies...It is called respect, and caring about her, if not for yourself. Drunk sex can very easily lead to a lot of problems and or misinterpretations. So a smart man puts his own desire aside (if he even has that desire) and postpone the act til the timing is better, and he is absolutely sure that she can make a proper decision and that he 100% has her concent. It is a simple act of selfprotection, as a misunderstanding caused by her being to drunk to communicate clearly, can easily have him jailed for a long time for a sexual assault
He doesn't have to apologize in the morning while she will eventually be calling emergency numbers.
Using moisturizer in winter and sunscreen in the summer cuz it's not manly. Heard this from an ex and my own mother. Also, I use hand gestures to articulate my body language as I was taught in my pulbic speaking classes, but that's gay and effeminate. Same culprits. One I was able to run away from, but the other one just makes me sad.
So Italian men are pretty much all gay, who knew? (Sorry about the gesticulation stereotype, I couldn't resist)
Ever been in Italy? Everyone there always seems so hyper gay! (Reference to the old meaning of the word)
Load More Replies...When my very pale, purple, see through son was 4ish, my half Mexican best friend took him fishing. When he picked him up that morning, I said "Make sure you put sunblock on him". He did. Once. They both learned a very valuable lesson that day. My son is 18 now and we all went kayaking last summer and watching the whole gang, me, my son, my friend, and his two daughters regularly stop to reapply made my heart and skin happy. Sunblock and moisturizer is important for everyone, even if you don't think so. Sometimes all it takes is watching giant blisters developing on your fairer friends on the drive home.
If you come to australia, you buy sunscreen at the airport when you arrive and slather yourself with it before you leave the terminal. Otherwise you'll probably end up with a nasty sunburn while you're waiting for a taxi or bus.
yeah real men goes through the pain of a sunburn, and die early and leave their family behind due to skincancer, instead of taking precaution and deal with these easily preventable problems in the smart way. You must suffer for your stupidity and your pride, THAT is the manly thing to do.
Ex wife told me I wasn’t a man because I “curled up” when I bundle up with a blanket on the couch.
Not only do I curl up on the sofa sometimes, I do it with a blanket and cuddling the dog!
Best place to be sofa with a blanket and a beer with what ever animals and a movie or TV programme on
Load More Replies...My best friend says that she finds it cute how I sleep because I remind her of a dog the way I curl up
well laying on your side not curled up will easily lead to you rolling over, and if you e.g. want to watch tv from the couch, laying on your back will make you stare into the ceiling and laying on your tommy will make you have a coshion in your face.
First gf said I'm not a real man for using a shower loofah to wash myself. She would just put soap in her hands and spread it on herself.
This is the second time where women are calling someone 'not a man' for something they themselves *don't* do. I'm so confused.
Don't be, your head will explode with the unreasonable and unmanly nonsense some women spew out of their mouths.
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Load More Replies...Once an ex told me I wasn't a real man for not being able to support both of us financially when she quit her job. I was still a student & an intern at a law firm at the time. That one stung for a while.
My wife and I met at university. We were poor together, we scraped for our first house and our wedding together. We saved together. We are now both close to retirement after successful careers (I’m already there, she’s semi-retired). A real man works in partnership with his SO. As does a real woman. They don’t just quit a job (unless there are extenuating circumstances) when they know their partner is low-paid, but working towards a better future. I trust your future became better without her.
I'm glad that you both have done well for yourselves, and have a fulfilling life together
Load More Replies...I wouldn't approach some random woman's friend at a bar. She said that I wasn't a "real man" and I was "obviously gay." The backstory was I was out with a few friends having dinner and a few drinks. At the time, my mental health wasn't the best. I was stressed from work, had some personal issues, and I wasn't in the right head space to date anyone. This random woman comes up to me and tells me her friend thinks I'm cute and wanted to meet me. She then proceeded to try and convince me to go over to her table and talk to her. When she realized her first attempts weren't working, she then began berating me, and making false assumptions, I guess to save her friend's ego.
Before I came out, when I was still pretending that I was the male my physical body presented, I had a woman at a bar come up to me and say "you've got a d1ck, buy me a drink". When I politely said no, she slugged me in the face, cutting my cheek open with one of her rings. My vision cleared up just in time for me to see the bouncers *throw* her out of the pub. That was an interesting evening.
Years ago at a high school dance a friend of mine walked up to the gaggle of popular girls and asked one to dance. She snarled "No way" and then they all started laughing at him, he snapped back, "That’s OK, I got to take a sh*t anyway"...............Priceless, the look on their faces.
Wow, some women really need to learn how to gracefully accept a no without insulting or questioning the guy or his sexual preference. I don't care who you are, no means no.
I had a woman call me gay for asking for her ID to buy alcohol. Honestly I knew she was old enough, she wasn't even close to passing as under 21, but our payment system required an ID be scanned before we could cash out a purchase
Years ago, I was out to dinner with a guy who looked pretty young. We were in a restaurant and he was carded. The guy was 30, but looked younger. We both just laughed about it.
Load More Replies...Cleaning. Even weirder considering she came over right after I got done working out and was cleaning and oiling the barbells in my home gym when she said it.
Implied here is that working out is more manly somehow. OP has slightly fallen into the trap. Not gonna downvote them for it because I'm a real man.
TBF he's really just pointing out the inconsistency of someone judging him on one ridiculous 'real man' attribute and ignoring another much more commonly-assumed one.
Load More Replies...Either: - Once my grandma said I “wasn’t a real man” because I was crying and “boys don’t cry”. Lady I had a whole surgery… - Someone I knew said I “wasn’t a real man” because I couldn’t lift them up, so apparently I couldn’t “protect” them at night.
Head_up_his_butt (also known as Head_on_a_Stick) has never been in severe pain. I've walked into the ER with a migraine crying like a baby, and I'm not ashamed to admit it.
Nearly had my arm broken doing Jiu-Jitsu, and my eyes were a bit watery. Heck, a hyperextended finger had me tearing up.
Load More Replies...Why are people stuck in the middle ages? As a woman I'm quite capable of taking care of myself. I don't need a knight in armor to protect me.
I wasn't a real man because she saw I had this ["girly" song](https://youtu.be/ViB4IR-7mtk?si=WbyexS9BHRsAX4hI) in my YouTube history when we were just chillin watching random funny clips. "Seriously? Hard men don't listen to girly s**t like this lololol" That was her reaction upon listening to it when she wanted to hear it out of curiosity. Killed the vibe for me. I stopped talking to her after that. Yea I do listen to rap 95% of the time but I get bored of that s**t sometimes. Different types of music can move me.
I enjoy everything. Lindsay Sterling to The Genitortures can be found on my playlist. Used to like turning people on to Enya in the 90s. A lot of women called would call me girly or gay but most men enjoyed it. Put it on while having some beers with my neighbors and their friends once. One of the guys I knew fairly well, big redneck and listened to nothing but country music looked at me and said, "I don't know what this is but I know I like it".
Upvote for Lindsay Sterling! No clue who The Genitortures are, but they sound badass, so I'm going to check them out :)
Load More Replies...The song is sung by a woman, yes, but I don't see how that makes it "girly."
Let's see some chump call Nemophila "girly" (an all woman band from Japan): [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5qABnfChpbk ]
Load More Replies...Try this. I heard it a couple of months ago and can't get enough of it. [ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X7kMP24N2UI ]
Quite a girly song indeed I would say, but if it sounds good for the person it shouldn't matter
Because I liked a song from Sweeney Todd.
"If you can not chop wood with an axe all day, you are not a real man".
Whole day? Either you don't know how to chop wood, or you have bad axe for the job or you burn crazy amount of wood. Or you want to prepare wood for whole winter in one day.
I've been cutting firewood most of my life. It's pretty rare anybody uses an axe. We mostly use saws of one kind or another. An axe wastes a lot of wood. Plus you can really hurt yourself with an axe.
Driving a Ford Focus.
Because I don't care about watching most sports (I'm super active and do many, I just don't care to watch), don't eat steak and don't love beer.
Ford Focus, world rallies champion car twice (2006 and 2007) and winner of 44 rallies. Rally is more macho than NASCRASH will ever be.
I get called girly by women all the time because I take care of myself like crazy. I have a skincare routine, I go to the spa, I get manicures, grooming on point. Dressing on point. I pamper myself. I like the finer things in life. I guess I'm pretty metro, but I'm good looking and very clean cut. They learn to love it and always come back for more. So whatever bruh, call me girly all you want.
Carry on with your routine, sounds like you have an excellent arsëhole filter there
Patric Bateman takes care of himself very well. it's his morning routine. does OP return videotape quite often?
They jealous! I mean, I wish I had a routine like that, I have never done half those things. Can I say that, it is girly, but in a totally good way? Welcome to girls club, guys are welcome here.
This list seems to be constructed mostly from words of toxic women who didn't get their way so they attacked the guy's masculinity.
yes!! dudes, dump these ladies and find someone who appreciates you! you deserve better!
Load More Replies...Sounds like people trying to hammer down all kind of different shapes into à plain, rectangular mold. There are no more "real men" than there are "real women". Only a vast variety of human beings. Every one of us is unique, and that's all right!
For me, the definition of a man is that he does what he thinks is the right thing to do, not what anyone tells him he should be doing.
I got one. My gf has a friend who's had nothing but bad, occasionally abusive, relationships with macho dudes for yeeeears. Which is dumb, cuz she's super pretty, funny, independant, smart, all that stuff. So I tried to set her up with a friend of mine. Dude's a gym rat, really buff, super sweet, all around a great guy. Could have been a perfect match... EXCEPT that my buddy works in IT. She said she can't be attracted to IT guys. Just not manly enough. My friend is tougher than half the insecure men she's dated, but being good with computers is apparently the line. Okay, dude, turn down a stable 6 figure income and move into a trailer because the current formula is clearly working great. Lost a lot of respect for her that day.
My answer when someone implies something I'm doing isn't what a "real man" would do is always the same. "See and here I thought what made you a real man was that you got to do whatever the f**k you want."
Does it count when my ex-wife asked me if I was on my period? This was a go to comment from her when I got upset with her, or even if I got teary eyed watching a movie/show.
I got called gay for kissing my boyfriend :p Joke's on them, I'm Bisexual
This list seems to be constructed mostly from words of toxic women who didn't get their way so they attacked the guy's masculinity.
yes!! dudes, dump these ladies and find someone who appreciates you! you deserve better!
Load More Replies...Sounds like people trying to hammer down all kind of different shapes into à plain, rectangular mold. There are no more "real men" than there are "real women". Only a vast variety of human beings. Every one of us is unique, and that's all right!
For me, the definition of a man is that he does what he thinks is the right thing to do, not what anyone tells him he should be doing.
I got one. My gf has a friend who's had nothing but bad, occasionally abusive, relationships with macho dudes for yeeeears. Which is dumb, cuz she's super pretty, funny, independant, smart, all that stuff. So I tried to set her up with a friend of mine. Dude's a gym rat, really buff, super sweet, all around a great guy. Could have been a perfect match... EXCEPT that my buddy works in IT. She said she can't be attracted to IT guys. Just not manly enough. My friend is tougher than half the insecure men she's dated, but being good with computers is apparently the line. Okay, dude, turn down a stable 6 figure income and move into a trailer because the current formula is clearly working great. Lost a lot of respect for her that day.
My answer when someone implies something I'm doing isn't what a "real man" would do is always the same. "See and here I thought what made you a real man was that you got to do whatever the f**k you want."
Does it count when my ex-wife asked me if I was on my period? This was a go to comment from her when I got upset with her, or even if I got teary eyed watching a movie/show.
I got called gay for kissing my boyfriend :p Joke's on them, I'm Bisexual
