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Diner Starts Debate After Waiter Rejects $25 Tip: “Tipping Culture Has Gotten Out Of Hand”

Diner Starts Debate After Waiter Rejects $25 Tip: “Tipping Culture Has Gotten Out Of Hand”

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Tipping culture can be very different depending on which part of the world you look at. In some places, like Japan, it is seen as unnecessary or even disrespectful, as excellent service is considered part of the job. In others, it’s expected.

But even there, Reddit user Koiguy94 believes there has to be a limit. In a recent post on r/stories, they described a visit to a restaurant that made them wonder at which point gratuity becomes extortion.

This person had a nice diner with their friends, and the gang paid almost $200 for it

Image credits: Lala Azizli / unsplash (not the actual photo)

They left a $25 tip for the service, but the waiter refused it because it was too small of a tip

Image credits: Jessie McCall / unsplash (not the actual photo)

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As the post went viral, its author acknowledged that the culture is very nuanced

Image credits: Koiguy94

Six in ten Americans believe there’s at least one aspect in which the tipping culture is broken

A 2024 survey from Bankrate found that 59% of Americans view at least one aspect of tipping negatively, agreeing with the the following statements:

  • 37 percent believe businesses should pay their employees better, rather than relying so much on tips;
  • 35 percent believe that tipping culture has gotten out of control;
  • 34 percent are annoyed about the pre-entered tip screens they encounter at coffee shops, food trucks and elsewhere;
  • 14 percent would be willing to pay higher prices in order to do away with tipping;
  • 11 percent are confused about who and how much to tip.

Older generations like baby boomers and Gen Xers have more negative attitudes about tipping—with 72% and 62%, respectively, having at least one negative view—than younger generations, like millennials and Gen Zers (51% and 45% of whom had at least one negative take).

The quality of service is still the biggest factor for the majority of tippers, the survey found, with 64% of people saying they size their gratuity according to it, while just 10% say they always tip the same amount, regardless of how good or bad the staff is.

Another problem is that “Customers are being asked to tip at the more traditional service encounters [and] also app-based services, ride-share and delivery apps. This gives the perception that tipping is everywhere, which does seem the case,” said Tim Self, an assistant professor of hospitality at Austin Peay State University in Clarksville, Tennessee.

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“Ultimately, it comes down to the consumer making that choice and I think more people will get comfortable saying ‘no.’”

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Image credits: Lala Azizli / unsplash (not the actual photo)

Many people were as appalled by the server’s behavior as the client

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Virgil Blue
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14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its amazing that instead of joining hands and demanding fair pay with no tips Americans want to die om the hill of people being shamed into 25% tips just because your bosses like making you squabble and grovel for handouts.

ZGutr
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And as also mentioned above .... WHY getting more paid for bringing out 5 steaks than for 5 burgers? ( the next step will be angry waiters for folk ordering a cold beer instead of a bottle Champaign )

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ZGutr
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15 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To give a tip is a choice. To accept tip is also a choice.

Uncommon Boston
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41 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going out to eat is a choice. Currently in the US, the cost of going out to eat includes a tip of approximately 15%. It is how the restaurant industry works. Changing the wage structure of an entire business category is a major undertaking. $15/ hour isn't enough, which is why there are tip jars everywhere. If you can afford to only work one job, most likely you are earning more than minimum wage. It is unlikely you know how difficult it is to make ends meet when making minimum wage.

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marcelo D.
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14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people that don't agree with OP are so brainwashed. "a tip of 15% is expected", by whom? Doing a job gives you the expectancy of a salary, not money from patrons. Since they decided to give you extra free money, for a job they didn't hire you to do, shut up and take it, or leave it, but you got no right to "expect" more money from anyone. Want more money, go to your employer and ask for a raise.

Uncommon Boston
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32 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tip is considered part of the cost of going out to dinner. A waiter splits their tips with the bartender and bus staff. Their wages count on tips as well. Unfortunately the way restaurant finances currently work, tips are needed to pay staff. It is part of the cost of eating out in the US. You may not like the system, but don't take it out on restaurant employees. They did not create the tip culture, but their salary is based on the assumption they will earn tips. Waiter usually make only a few dollars an hour without tips. More than 15% requires better than average service.

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Verena
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13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are areas in this world where a tip means "Thank you for the extra effort" and not "Thank you for doing your underpaid job". Americans are full of "freedom", "greatness", "independent" ... but the majority chooses to vote for the contrary.

Uncommon Boston
Community Member
Premium
25 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In other countries restaurant finances are structured differently. The cost of the food, overhead, and wages is must be less than the cost of the meal regardless of location. How that is done varies greatly. The US system may be terrible, but it is real. Not tipping prevents servers bartenders, and others from make enough to pay their bills.

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Schnitzel
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I give you money-you don't want my money-I take my money back, thank you.

James016
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people calling the OP for spending $200 and a $25 tip a cheapskate are wild

ValdaDeDieu
Community Member
41 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know why people are downvoting decency. A waitress/waiter needs tips to live. It's not your fault; it's not their fault either. So tip when in America until things change. When in UK or non-tipping countries, don't tip. But have a f*****g heart and some compassion. Can't afford to tip - then don't eat out!

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KatSaidWhat
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a dumb boss move - I would have said ok, picked up my money and said to the table "drinks on me at the next bar" just to see his soul leave his eyes.

Angie May
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah so the waiter wants no tip then. Heard him loud and clear.

The Scout
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tipping out system where a 15% tip is necessary even not to actively lose money is an absurdity. Wages that need waiters to score a 25% tip on average just to go by are nothing more than wage theft. And, of course, the omnipresent cue to "get a second job if you can't afford". No. A second job is not a sign of motivation but a sign of resignation against an absurd system of modern day slavery. I do not know when "Someone working a full time job should be able to live off it" has become a left wing extremist thought. It is NOT in the rest of the world, and it was NOT in the USA some decades ago, either.

Jaaawn
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad we only tip for exceptionally great service in the UK. I could not imagine being in the USA and having to pay more money on top of what I've already paid for pretty much everything.

Angie May
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's ridiculous. Almost EVERYWHERE here you go to now has the machines you use to process a credit/debit card payment asking if you want to tip, not just in restaurants or the like. Some places even charge you, the customer, to run a credit card instead of paying for the card company's processing fees themselves. It's totally out of hand and it's only going to get worse.

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Agat
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeez, those YTA comments about 12% being an insult, good god... A couple months ago my friends went to NY on vacation. You know, regular tourists. One time they went to a restaurant, and a waitress started screaming at them for a tip too low for her liking. The point is that we're from Europe, and they left something like 10-15%, and she actually yelled at them in front of their 10-y-o daughter. Left me speechless when they told us about it.

Miki
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These comments who are think the guy is an AH are so funny :D are ppl really that stupid? :D

Inglourioustmnt
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Id take my tip back and peace out. People saying if you cant afford a nice tip dont go out, like its our job to subsidize a business’s employees. Heres a counter, if you cant afford to be a waiter, dont be one.

Laura Fleig
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who worked in the service industry for 7 years, that waiter was WAY out of line. While I completely understand how s****y it feels to get tipped less than 18%, that’s NEVER something you mention to the customer. You can make a lot of money in the service industry for pretty basic work. Not easy work, and it does require skill and practice, but it’s not that complex once you’ve done it for a while. In America, the mainstream expectation is that people will tip 20% at restaurants, so that’s what servers expect. From my experience, about 85% of people tip 20%. Of course, it depends what kind of restaurant you work in. All this to say, the waiter was way out of line. Bad tips happen, you just accept it and move on with it. For everyone complaining about tipping culture, how about you open a no-tip restaurant and see how it goes? Not being rude, I genuinely think it’d be a good experiment.

James Twong
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's absolutely not my responsibility to subsidise a waiters wages. If I get exceptional service I will leave a tip but that's my choice.

María Hermida
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are not actually subsidising the waiters' wages but the owners' profits, because if you tip they can get away with paying miserable salaries.

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Rosie
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10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BS. Tipping 20% is ridiculous. If you're rich &/or have $$$ to spare, more power to you, feel free to give extra. I don't have it. I try to tip to the best my wallet allows (yes, I'm American), but I save that for people who have to do some extra work (grocery shoppers who deliver to my home, pizza delivery in poor weather). Everyone else gets just a token tip unless they've been bad, then they get less. I save & pinch pennies for a little treat once in a while, I'm not giving away $$$ just because someone brought me a plate from the kitchen. And no, I don't tip in regular stores/cafes. Just handing me over my order is not "service". For this guy refusing his tip, I'd have thanked him for his service & left forever. He got a decent tip & decided to try & shame his customer, negating any "good" service provided until then. I've heard of a$$ customers leaving nothing even on big bills. He may not have been happy, but should have been grateful. His entitled attitude lost him a customer.

Hisseefit
Community Member
3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on the shop owners that expect people to tip their employees so they don't have to pay a living wage. I have been discussing this very fact with my friends. I am Gen-X and when I was growing up my father and mother (silent generation) made sure I knew a decent tip was 10%, great service was 15%. Everyone knew this. Somewhere along the line, customers are now expected to pay the wages of staff where many times I pay 20% - 30% tip. Plus some of it is just ridiculous, as someone hands you a soda from behind a counter and expects a tip.

Ceil
Community Member
3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never be convinced that I have to tip for worthless service. On Mother's Day three years ago my boys took me out, I was served the same meal as my youngest instead of what I had ordered; sent the order back. Everyone else started eating, we chatted, no hurry, everyone finished eating, I still had not received my actual order. I finally had to flag down the server to tell her to cancel my order and bring the check! didn't even get an apology from the server or even a look of embarrassment for obviously forgetting about my order. My Mother's Day meal was a glass of water; yet I'm expected to leave a tip that is at least 15%? That's a no from me.

R Dennis
Community Member
4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had an airport transport that I couldn't board because the lift was broken - at the time a partial wheelchair user. I couldn't get out of the airport to roll the mile to the hotel. My wife came back on the transport (he was doing his route, he did not make an extra trip). She helped me up the stairs and he stood there while she loaded the wheelchair (60 lbs) by herself... to be fair, he asked another passenger to help her, my wife said no thank you. When we got to the hotel, she unloaded the wheelchair and helped me off (I almost fell). She went to hand him $5 and he shoved it back at her expecting more... f**k that guy. He got $0, a negative Google review, and a written complaint to the company.

Alyssa Phillips
Community Member
5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand if the server works in a place that uses tips to determine hours or sections. I worked in a restaurant that did that. I never gave a tip back if cash, but cc tips were sometimes not entered if it would drop my percentage down and result in fewer tables/hours.

Anony Mouse
Community Member
5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad we get to have the tipping culture debate for the 45th time this year. Enough repetitive, self-righteous comments and the problem will surely fix itself.

notlikeyou1971
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Employees depend on tips? Well that's sure an employee who wouldn't get one. That's awful nervy of a server to in not so many words to demand more money and embarrassing a customer in front of other people in a restaurant. You don't want what is offered? Guess you get nothing. You're lucky the customer doesn't go to management and tell them about your behavior. They took a gamble these days on that .What if they got a Karen customer? Not only would there be a scene, but management, the corporate office and online ratings would hear about it. Oh and of course the server would be paying out of pocket for Karen's meal. Is it worth it? If it was me, thanks for the extra money back. I wouldn't tip you at all. Think I would take the money back for your attitude and spend it elsewhere. That server is an AH. As I have said a million times " act like an AH, get treated like an AH "

J. Maxx
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you make the choice to become a server, then you make the choice to accept whatever, if any, tips come your way.

Doe
Community Member
10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The WORST example of a requested/expected tip was when I saw a tip jar at a RETAIL store, I live in New York.

G Bono
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My father owned a restaurant. Back then the 10% was standard and 15% for great service. You don't tip on the tax. Also, you don't tip the owner of any establishment. Now, everyone wants a tip. The reason waiters are/were tipped is their lower hourly rate. Many also make out like bandits because taxes, unless they reports all tips (including cash tips) they pay an estimated amount based on their hours - the only way to estimate them. Its become insane and I only tip waiters, hairdresser and my dog groomer (I want the groomer to take care of him, so I tip her very well) the others, if they say something, I say it was a mistake and take back the check and give them nothing, but the trade is I never return there

Steve Robert
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where we eat breakfast, prices have nearly doubled since 2020. So a15% tip in 2024 is now 30% in 2020 dollars. Would be fine if you're salary doubled as well. But it hasn't. Those who say if you can't tip at least 20%, should stay home. That's smart. So nobody eats out and the restaurant closes, and everyone now makes 0 money. Great solution/s

Cee Cee
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazeee Americans. Obviously not all Americans just the YTA ones..I had my hair washed, cut and blow dried last week - £26. Tipped her £10 for a good cut and cutting a bob is tricky to get right, plus there are 3 gorgeous Pomeranians in the salon!

K. LNU
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What some people don't understand is that yes, the server does split tips with bussers and food runners (and some places host), in Washington State, the server also pays taxes on all food sold automatically. The IRS takes its share during tax season. So, if one tips 15%, and sales tax is 10%, the server makes 5% less tipping out the staff that helped. It is stupid, and we need to fix things. However, until we get a system that can support cost of living, I will continue to tip well for good service!

Lola July
Community Member
8 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

RESTAURANTS Have to take out TAXES based on a SERVERS TOTAL SALES !!! So in a Quarter if you "Sold $45,000" in Food in a quarter. The Restaurants report that to the IRS and you are being taxed at least 8% ($3,600 ) That is added to your income and you OWE Tax on that amount. Even if you did not make tips!

Inglourioustmnt
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is extremely stupid and should be criminal and is not how it works in any other country than yours

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Kerry Fletcher
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now that does seem low. If service was ok, bare minimum, 18%. Especially on a bill like that. If it was bad, sure 12%. If he comments like that I'd go ok thanks and take the tip and never come back.

Miki
Community Member
4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bare minimum is 0%. And bigger bill does NOT mean more % tip.

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Virgil Blue
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Its amazing that instead of joining hands and demanding fair pay with no tips Americans want to die om the hill of people being shamed into 25% tips just because your bosses like making you squabble and grovel for handouts.

ZGutr
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And as also mentioned above .... WHY getting more paid for bringing out 5 steaks than for 5 burgers? ( the next step will be angry waiters for folk ordering a cold beer instead of a bottle Champaign )

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ZGutr
Community Member
15 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

To give a tip is a choice. To accept tip is also a choice.

Uncommon Boston
Community Member
Premium
41 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Going out to eat is a choice. Currently in the US, the cost of going out to eat includes a tip of approximately 15%. It is how the restaurant industry works. Changing the wage structure of an entire business category is a major undertaking. $15/ hour isn't enough, which is why there are tip jars everywhere. If you can afford to only work one job, most likely you are earning more than minimum wage. It is unlikely you know how difficult it is to make ends meet when making minimum wage.

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marcelo D.
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people that don't agree with OP are so brainwashed. "a tip of 15% is expected", by whom? Doing a job gives you the expectancy of a salary, not money from patrons. Since they decided to give you extra free money, for a job they didn't hire you to do, shut up and take it, or leave it, but you got no right to "expect" more money from anyone. Want more money, go to your employer and ask for a raise.

Uncommon Boston
Community Member
Premium
32 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tip is considered part of the cost of going out to dinner. A waiter splits their tips with the bartender and bus staff. Their wages count on tips as well. Unfortunately the way restaurant finances currently work, tips are needed to pay staff. It is part of the cost of eating out in the US. You may not like the system, but don't take it out on restaurant employees. They did not create the tip culture, but their salary is based on the assumption they will earn tips. Waiter usually make only a few dollars an hour without tips. More than 15% requires better than average service.

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Verena
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are areas in this world where a tip means "Thank you for the extra effort" and not "Thank you for doing your underpaid job". Americans are full of "freedom", "greatness", "independent" ... but the majority chooses to vote for the contrary.

Uncommon Boston
Community Member
Premium
25 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In other countries restaurant finances are structured differently. The cost of the food, overhead, and wages is must be less than the cost of the meal regardless of location. How that is done varies greatly. The US system may be terrible, but it is real. Not tipping prevents servers bartenders, and others from make enough to pay their bills.

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Schnitzel
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I give you money-you don't want my money-I take my money back, thank you.

James016
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people calling the OP for spending $200 and a $25 tip a cheapskate are wild

ValdaDeDieu
Community Member
41 minutes ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't know why people are downvoting decency. A waitress/waiter needs tips to live. It's not your fault; it's not their fault either. So tip when in America until things change. When in UK or non-tipping countries, don't tip. But have a f*****g heart and some compassion. Can't afford to tip - then don't eat out!

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KatSaidWhat
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a dumb boss move - I would have said ok, picked up my money and said to the table "drinks on me at the next bar" just to see his soul leave his eyes.

Angie May
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ah so the waiter wants no tip then. Heard him loud and clear.

The Scout
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A tipping out system where a 15% tip is necessary even not to actively lose money is an absurdity. Wages that need waiters to score a 25% tip on average just to go by are nothing more than wage theft. And, of course, the omnipresent cue to "get a second job if you can't afford". No. A second job is not a sign of motivation but a sign of resignation against an absurd system of modern day slavery. I do not know when "Someone working a full time job should be able to live off it" has become a left wing extremist thought. It is NOT in the rest of the world, and it was NOT in the USA some decades ago, either.

Jaaawn
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad we only tip for exceptionally great service in the UK. I could not imagine being in the USA and having to pay more money on top of what I've already paid for pretty much everything.

Angie May
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's ridiculous. Almost EVERYWHERE here you go to now has the machines you use to process a credit/debit card payment asking if you want to tip, not just in restaurants or the like. Some places even charge you, the customer, to run a credit card instead of paying for the card company's processing fees themselves. It's totally out of hand and it's only going to get worse.

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Agat
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Jeez, those YTA comments about 12% being an insult, good god... A couple months ago my friends went to NY on vacation. You know, regular tourists. One time they went to a restaurant, and a waitress started screaming at them for a tip too low for her liking. The point is that we're from Europe, and they left something like 10-15%, and she actually yelled at them in front of their 10-y-o daughter. Left me speechless when they told us about it.

Miki
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

These comments who are think the guy is an AH are so funny :D are ppl really that stupid? :D

Inglourioustmnt
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Id take my tip back and peace out. People saying if you cant afford a nice tip dont go out, like its our job to subsidize a business’s employees. Heres a counter, if you cant afford to be a waiter, dont be one.

Laura Fleig
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As someone who worked in the service industry for 7 years, that waiter was WAY out of line. While I completely understand how s****y it feels to get tipped less than 18%, that’s NEVER something you mention to the customer. You can make a lot of money in the service industry for pretty basic work. Not easy work, and it does require skill and practice, but it’s not that complex once you’ve done it for a while. In America, the mainstream expectation is that people will tip 20% at restaurants, so that’s what servers expect. From my experience, about 85% of people tip 20%. Of course, it depends what kind of restaurant you work in. All this to say, the waiter was way out of line. Bad tips happen, you just accept it and move on with it. For everyone complaining about tipping culture, how about you open a no-tip restaurant and see how it goes? Not being rude, I genuinely think it’d be a good experiment.

James Twong
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's absolutely not my responsibility to subsidise a waiters wages. If I get exceptional service I will leave a tip but that's my choice.

María Hermida
Community Member
4 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You are not actually subsidising the waiters' wages but the owners' profits, because if you tip they can get away with paying miserable salaries.

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Rosie
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10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BS. Tipping 20% is ridiculous. If you're rich &/or have $$$ to spare, more power to you, feel free to give extra. I don't have it. I try to tip to the best my wallet allows (yes, I'm American), but I save that for people who have to do some extra work (grocery shoppers who deliver to my home, pizza delivery in poor weather). Everyone else gets just a token tip unless they've been bad, then they get less. I save & pinch pennies for a little treat once in a while, I'm not giving away $$$ just because someone brought me a plate from the kitchen. And no, I don't tip in regular stores/cafes. Just handing me over my order is not "service". For this guy refusing his tip, I'd have thanked him for his service & left forever. He got a decent tip & decided to try & shame his customer, negating any "good" service provided until then. I've heard of a$$ customers leaving nothing even on big bills. He may not have been happy, but should have been grateful. His entitled attitude lost him a customer.

Hisseefit
Community Member
3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Shame on the shop owners that expect people to tip their employees so they don't have to pay a living wage. I have been discussing this very fact with my friends. I am Gen-X and when I was growing up my father and mother (silent generation) made sure I knew a decent tip was 10%, great service was 15%. Everyone knew this. Somewhere along the line, customers are now expected to pay the wages of staff where many times I pay 20% - 30% tip. Plus some of it is just ridiculous, as someone hands you a soda from behind a counter and expects a tip.

Ceil
Community Member
3 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never be convinced that I have to tip for worthless service. On Mother's Day three years ago my boys took me out, I was served the same meal as my youngest instead of what I had ordered; sent the order back. Everyone else started eating, we chatted, no hurry, everyone finished eating, I still had not received my actual order. I finally had to flag down the server to tell her to cancel my order and bring the check! didn't even get an apology from the server or even a look of embarrassment for obviously forgetting about my order. My Mother's Day meal was a glass of water; yet I'm expected to leave a tip that is at least 15%? That's a no from me.

R Dennis
Community Member
4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Had an airport transport that I couldn't board because the lift was broken - at the time a partial wheelchair user. I couldn't get out of the airport to roll the mile to the hotel. My wife came back on the transport (he was doing his route, he did not make an extra trip). She helped me up the stairs and he stood there while she loaded the wheelchair (60 lbs) by herself... to be fair, he asked another passenger to help her, my wife said no thank you. When we got to the hotel, she unloaded the wheelchair and helped me off (I almost fell). She went to hand him $5 and he shoved it back at her expecting more... f**k that guy. He got $0, a negative Google review, and a written complaint to the company.

Alyssa Phillips
Community Member
5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I can understand if the server works in a place that uses tips to determine hours or sections. I worked in a restaurant that did that. I never gave a tip back if cash, but cc tips were sometimes not entered if it would drop my percentage down and result in fewer tables/hours.

Anony Mouse
Community Member
5 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So glad we get to have the tipping culture debate for the 45th time this year. Enough repetitive, self-righteous comments and the problem will surely fix itself.

notlikeyou1971
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9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Employees depend on tips? Well that's sure an employee who wouldn't get one. That's awful nervy of a server to in not so many words to demand more money and embarrassing a customer in front of other people in a restaurant. You don't want what is offered? Guess you get nothing. You're lucky the customer doesn't go to management and tell them about your behavior. They took a gamble these days on that .What if they got a Karen customer? Not only would there be a scene, but management, the corporate office and online ratings would hear about it. Oh and of course the server would be paying out of pocket for Karen's meal. Is it worth it? If it was me, thanks for the extra money back. I wouldn't tip you at all. Think I would take the money back for your attitude and spend it elsewhere. That server is an AH. As I have said a million times " act like an AH, get treated like an AH "

J. Maxx
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you make the choice to become a server, then you make the choice to accept whatever, if any, tips come your way.

Doe
Community Member
10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The WORST example of a requested/expected tip was when I saw a tip jar at a RETAIL store, I live in New York.

G Bono
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My father owned a restaurant. Back then the 10% was standard and 15% for great service. You don't tip on the tax. Also, you don't tip the owner of any establishment. Now, everyone wants a tip. The reason waiters are/were tipped is their lower hourly rate. Many also make out like bandits because taxes, unless they reports all tips (including cash tips) they pay an estimated amount based on their hours - the only way to estimate them. Its become insane and I only tip waiters, hairdresser and my dog groomer (I want the groomer to take care of him, so I tip her very well) the others, if they say something, I say it was a mistake and take back the check and give them nothing, but the trade is I never return there

Steve Robert
Community Member
11 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Where we eat breakfast, prices have nearly doubled since 2020. So a15% tip in 2024 is now 30% in 2020 dollars. Would be fine if you're salary doubled as well. But it hasn't. Those who say if you can't tip at least 20%, should stay home. That's smart. So nobody eats out and the restaurant closes, and everyone now makes 0 money. Great solution/s

Cee Cee
Community Member
14 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Crazeee Americans. Obviously not all Americans just the YTA ones..I had my hair washed, cut and blow dried last week - £26. Tipped her £10 for a good cut and cutting a bob is tricky to get right, plus there are 3 gorgeous Pomeranians in the salon!

K. LNU
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What some people don't understand is that yes, the server does split tips with bussers and food runners (and some places host), in Washington State, the server also pays taxes on all food sold automatically. The IRS takes its share during tax season. So, if one tips 15%, and sales tax is 10%, the server makes 5% less tipping out the staff that helped. It is stupid, and we need to fix things. However, until we get a system that can support cost of living, I will continue to tip well for good service!

Lola July
Community Member
8 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

RESTAURANTS Have to take out TAXES based on a SERVERS TOTAL SALES !!! So in a Quarter if you "Sold $45,000" in Food in a quarter. The Restaurants report that to the IRS and you are being taxed at least 8% ($3,600 ) That is added to your income and you OWE Tax on that amount. Even if you did not make tips!

Inglourioustmnt
Community Member
6 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That is extremely stupid and should be criminal and is not how it works in any other country than yours

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Kerry Fletcher
Community Member
9 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Now that does seem low. If service was ok, bare minimum, 18%. Especially on a bill like that. If it was bad, sure 12%. If he comments like that I'd go ok thanks and take the tip and never come back.

Miki
Community Member
4 hours ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Bare minimum is 0%. And bigger bill does NOT mean more % tip.

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