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Mom Knows Daughter Can’t Eat Meat, Forces Her To Still Do It And Faces The Consequences

Mom Knows Daughter Can’t Eat Meat, Forces Her To Still Do It And Faces The Consequences

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Getting family to actually accept, much less understand your dietary choices can be a chore. Older folks in particular often simply can’t understand a person not eating something for any reason, whether a moral obligation, religious restriction or even an actual medical inability. The results can, at times, be pretty explicit.

A vegan woman shared her experience with being forced to eat a steak and kidney pie and then immediately throwing up at the dinner table. We reached out to her via private message and will update the article when she gets back to us.

A steak and kidney pie is the last thing someone should serve a vegan

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But that’s exactly what happened to a woman when her mother didn’t inform her aunt that she didn’t eat meat

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There have been people who have rejected meat for thousands of years

While most people avoid animal organs if “real” meat is available, it’s important to remember that for much of history, we simply didn’t have as much food as we’d want. As a result, humans started using more and more parts of the animal, including the kidneys. Generally, not the most appetizing dish, it would often be used as an ingredient to bulk out better cuts, in, for example, the British classic, the steak and kidney pie.

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While more “old-fashioned” folks tend to see veganism as a modern phenomenon, or perhaps a rebellious fad, its origins are considerably older. Vegetarianism has been practiced in the Indian subcontinent since as far back as 3300 BCE. While they might not have been as strict as modern vegans, it’s also important to note that the people of the past also had fewer products produced from animals, so this distinction was not as important.

Similarly, there have also been examples in ancient China, often as a result of Buddhist beliefs. This would even include abstention from any animal products or byproducts, including fabrics made from animals, or other items. In other words, a three-thousand-year-old version of veganism. Indeed, there is evidence that ancient China was producing multiple meat alternatives, from the two thousand year old tofu to seitan, a food made from wheat gluten.

The ancient Greeks (for example, Plutarch) and Romans (including Ovid and Seneca the Younger) also had noted individuals who abstained from meat and some animal products. This is all to say that a variety of religions and schools of thought all came to a pretty similar conclusion at some point in the past, so veganism has the credentials to back it up.

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Making someone eat against their will is horrible behavior

The real issue here is not the woman’s veganism, even if it’s unrelated to any ethical beliefs, it’s the fact that her mother seems to have no regard for her preferences. “Disagreeing” with someone’s dietary choices is already questionable, but then forcing them to eat something they literally can’t stomach is just cruel and abusive.

The details the woman shares in the comments, as well as this story do point towards a truly abusive relationship. Pinching someone to make them eat something they can’t stomach after requesting a larger portion is a horrible way to treat your offspring. This is important to note as some readers felt the story was insincere. It is entirely possible one struggles with certain kinds of foods, so they would naturally avoid it.

Rather, we have to understand that the woman who shared it was going through an immense amount of stress at this moment, not just due to the pie, although a poorly prepared kidney is its own hell, but due to the fact that her mother was no doubt controlling in many other ways. While she doesn’t give the details, “forcing” someone to eat requires a lot of coercive power, which the mother clearly has, given the results.

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LaserBrain
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2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not many things send the message quite as well as barfing on someone.

LillieMean
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have such bad lactose intolerance that just smelling milk makes me want to throw up. The brain has developed an aversion to it. Not my proudest moment in life, but on the spur of the moment I smelled my husband's ice cream cone and dry heaving in a public place was a bit embarrassing. I'm not the sharpest pen in the box.

Cee Cee
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I haven't eaten fish since I was 5 following surgery for appendicitis. First meal was fish, mashed potato and ice cream. Threw up the fish immediately after eating it. Never again and I'm now 72! My mother often insisted that I ate fish fingers. No I bloody well don't and never have. She really used to anger me with her wilful deafness.

Ash
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I remember learning in psych class about the causes of the phenomenon where if you barf a food, even if wasn't the thing that made you barf, it can then cause you to barf forever afterward. (googled it, and apparently the term I couldn't remember is "conditioned food aversion")

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Ash
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So your mother knows that you have a serious health problem where you cannot eat meat safely. She has therefore never made you eat meat since you were a baby. And then all of a sudden she thinks it's a good idea to force you to eat organ meat? Was she INSANE??????

whineygingercat
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I (43F) STILL won't eat ANY mayonnaise-based picnic salads (Macaroni Salad, Potato Salad, etc) all because of an incident at a church picnic when I was 8 y/o. I, and half the church, ate some potato salad that we didn't know had not been properly refrigerated. Cue food poisoning. Here's the thing, The lady who made it, was rushing because her husband was running late. She forgot the bowl of salad in the car. The normal procedure for this picnic was, go to church service, then go to picnic. As such, all refrigerated foods were placed in the church kitchen refrigerator. Then placed on ice at the picnic. As she had left it in the car, in the summer heat, she had decided not to bring it out. Her husband, who refused to waste food, brought it out. The lady didn't know this until she saw her, nearly empty, dish on the buffet table. She felt SO awful about it.

Al Fun
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who TF eats kidney pie. It’s a crime to mix a perfectly good steak into this.

Mike Loux
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tried steak and kidney pie once, at a lovely pub in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My own choice, and I knew there was a very high chance the kidneys would taste like p**s. And they did. I finished it anyway (I mean, the steak and the pie parts were fantastic) and am very happy to never order that ever again in my lifetime.

Ben Aziza
Community Member
1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every time my mom or brother (The best cooks in our family when I was a teen) would add kidneys to the cummun based soup/sauce with sheep/cow organs and meat, a regional dish called cammouniya (I know such a perfect name)... I wondered why they do it. It just makes everything worse... Even when you avoid it... There is the permeating taste! I insisted they make it with just heart and meat. I was ok with liver and to me heart was the tastiest part by far so I asked them to just keep the best parts Heart and red mead and try that... EVERYBODY loved the change! From then on that is how my family prepares the dish! Turns out traditional dishes CAN be improved if you figure out that ppl "IN THE BEFORE TIMES" HAD NO CHOICE ahahah. They had to eat the disgusting kidneys!

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Cyril Sneer
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do you really need to be British to understand what a steak and kidney pie is? I mean, it is literally a pie filled with steak and kidney.

Traveling Lady Railfan
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True. It's pretty descriptive. "What's in the steak and kidney pie?" "Steak. And kidneys" PS I love your BP name..."the Raccoons" fan, or just coincidence?

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Wendy Miller
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My Mom & sister are naturally meat aversive. They do eat meat, but on their terms. My Dad hated cucumbers and zucchini. I have food intolerances, mainly anything cow related including diary, cucumbers, watermelon, etc. I find it interesting that certain foods I loved my body no longer does. But some of them are things people in my family naturally don't like. Makes you wonder about genetics and diets.

fan of phish
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been there. I’ve always been disgusted by cooked peas. Mom was the cook, so she knew and never put any on my plate. One night she was working so Dad cooked and didn’t believe me that I would throw up if I ate the peas. He made me. Needless to say, he never made me eat them again. 😉

Anna Drever
Community Member
10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents used to make a game of eating steak and kidney pudding. Just disgusting! Being made to count how many pieces of kidney you got doesn’t make it any better. 🤮

Voice of reason?
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It can often be a texture thing, not necessarily the specific food. We talked my young son into finally trying mashed potatoes at a restaurant once and we ALL paid the price for that one, including surrounding tables! 30 years later and he's never touched them since. For me, it's mushrooms. Veg masquerading as meat. Disgusting texture, no matter how they're prepared. And the smell of cooked mushrooms...🤢🤮

Learner Panda
Community Member
17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was little, artificial colouring in foods was just various chemicals and they affected me badly and made me vomit. At a children's party I asked for milk instead of the violently orange drink. The mum refused as she thought I was just being special. I wasn't and because I was only about 8 or so, she had to clean up.

MoMcB
Community Member
18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the kidneys smell of urine, they haven't been prepared properly. Tbf, I'd only ever eat it if my mother had prepped it, and don't at all now. Sales of steak & kidney pies are mainly into care homes now with the wholesale company I work at.

Sue User
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a kid, we tried everything and ate most everything. So if we didnt like it, we didnt have to eat it. Mom would make steak and kidney pie and tell me to eat everything but the kidneys. But it all tasted like kidneys. Years later, mom and stepfather were having kidneys. I declined and he waved a fork full of them at me. I started gagging just as mom screamed " dont !".

Paulina
Community Member
1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At first I wanted to say it's weird that grown woman gave in to such demands. Then I realized from the comments OP was 12yo at the time! Something similar happened to me when I was around that age. My mother is also the type of person that would not get "no" as an answer in terms of food preferences... She used to make this horrible concoction of warm pasta, cold twaróg (think cottage cheese but with less liquid) and fruit or fruit joghurt on top. Truly disgusting. But she insisted we ALL liked it, when in reality SHE liked it, my brother and father didn't mind, and I was nauseated by mere sight of this. Usually I would just refuse and fix something else for myself (she wasn't happy), but one time she insisted... After a while I gave in, but (predictably) instantly vomited on my own plate and table all around. She finally got the message 🤦‍♀️😆

Parmeisan
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think it's appropriate to mark the image credits as "anonymous" and not link the original article, just because you want to censor their username. You have to credit the author of the story, or not use the story at all.

Janelle Collard
Community Member
Premium
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She knew she just didn't care. If your kid has been vomiting up - since they were a baby - any meat item, you'd really have to be an AH to continue to feed your kid meat.

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FreeTheUnicorn
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2 days ago

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I don't think the above story is real, I don't think there's a place where you can go "over the mountains" where they serve half-kidney pie. But if anyone gets vomiting/diarrhea from mammal meat, it can be due to a tick bite. The immune system gets confused and identifies mammal meat as dangerous and gets it out of your body asap. it lasts around 5nyears and then the immune reaction wears off. Also there's a genetic condition which cases pork from a female to taste like urine. That's a lifelong thing. But the above is a weird fever dream.

Rayne OfSalt
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you need to broaden your horizons then, if you don't think you can travel somewhere and get some badly made food.

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G A
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2 days ago (edited)

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Vegan propaganda. Kidneys are not sliced in half and put in a pie. They are diced. And the moron that claims they ordered "kidney pie", no such thing exists. And why would you expect such a thing to be kidney BEANS if it said KIDNEY? And who would/could eat such a thing? Clear Bull Sh1t.

Virgil Blue
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The English do have steak and kidney pie. Pies are generally savoury food items in England I think I remember. Still silly to assume it would be beans without it mentioning it.

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LaserBrain
Community Member
2 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not many things send the message quite as well as barfing on someone.

LillieMean
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have such bad lactose intolerance that just smelling milk makes me want to throw up. The brain has developed an aversion to it. Not my proudest moment in life, but on the spur of the moment I smelled my husband's ice cream cone and dry heaving in a public place was a bit embarrassing. I'm not the sharpest pen in the box.

Cee Cee
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I haven't eaten fish since I was 5 following surgery for appendicitis. First meal was fish, mashed potato and ice cream. Threw up the fish immediately after eating it. Never again and I'm now 72! My mother often insisted that I ate fish fingers. No I bloody well don't and never have. She really used to anger me with her wilful deafness.

Ash
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, I remember learning in psych class about the causes of the phenomenon where if you barf a food, even if wasn't the thing that made you barf, it can then cause you to barf forever afterward. (googled it, and apparently the term I couldn't remember is "conditioned food aversion")

Load More Replies...
Ash
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So your mother knows that you have a serious health problem where you cannot eat meat safely. She has therefore never made you eat meat since you were a baby. And then all of a sudden she thinks it's a good idea to force you to eat organ meat? Was she INSANE??????

whineygingercat
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I (43F) STILL won't eat ANY mayonnaise-based picnic salads (Macaroni Salad, Potato Salad, etc) all because of an incident at a church picnic when I was 8 y/o. I, and half the church, ate some potato salad that we didn't know had not been properly refrigerated. Cue food poisoning. Here's the thing, The lady who made it, was rushing because her husband was running late. She forgot the bowl of salad in the car. The normal procedure for this picnic was, go to church service, then go to picnic. As such, all refrigerated foods were placed in the church kitchen refrigerator. Then placed on ice at the picnic. As she had left it in the car, in the summer heat, she had decided not to bring it out. Her husband, who refused to waste food, brought it out. The lady didn't know this until she saw her, nearly empty, dish on the buffet table. She felt SO awful about it.

Al Fun
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who TF eats kidney pie. It’s a crime to mix a perfectly good steak into this.

Mike Loux
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Tried steak and kidney pie once, at a lovely pub in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My own choice, and I knew there was a very high chance the kidneys would taste like p**s. And they did. I finished it anyway (I mean, the steak and the pie parts were fantastic) and am very happy to never order that ever again in my lifetime.

Ben Aziza
Community Member
1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Every time my mom or brother (The best cooks in our family when I was a teen) would add kidneys to the cummun based soup/sauce with sheep/cow organs and meat, a regional dish called cammouniya (I know such a perfect name)... I wondered why they do it. It just makes everything worse... Even when you avoid it... There is the permeating taste! I insisted they make it with just heart and meat. I was ok with liver and to me heart was the tastiest part by far so I asked them to just keep the best parts Heart and red mead and try that... EVERYBODY loved the change! From then on that is how my family prepares the dish! Turns out traditional dishes CAN be improved if you figure out that ppl "IN THE BEFORE TIMES" HAD NO CHOICE ahahah. They had to eat the disgusting kidneys!

Load More Replies...
Cyril Sneer
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Do you really need to be British to understand what a steak and kidney pie is? I mean, it is literally a pie filled with steak and kidney.

Traveling Lady Railfan
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

True. It's pretty descriptive. "What's in the steak and kidney pie?" "Steak. And kidneys" PS I love your BP name..."the Raccoons" fan, or just coincidence?

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Wendy Miller
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My Mom & sister are naturally meat aversive. They do eat meat, but on their terms. My Dad hated cucumbers and zucchini. I have food intolerances, mainly anything cow related including diary, cucumbers, watermelon, etc. I find it interesting that certain foods I loved my body no longer does. But some of them are things people in my family naturally don't like. Makes you wonder about genetics and diets.

fan of phish
Community Member
8 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been there. I’ve always been disgusted by cooked peas. Mom was the cook, so she knew and never put any on my plate. One night she was working so Dad cooked and didn’t believe me that I would throw up if I ate the peas. He made me. Needless to say, he never made me eat them again. 😉

Anna Drever
Community Member
10 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents used to make a game of eating steak and kidney pudding. Just disgusting! Being made to count how many pieces of kidney you got doesn’t make it any better. 🤮

Voice of reason?
Community Member
13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It can often be a texture thing, not necessarily the specific food. We talked my young son into finally trying mashed potatoes at a restaurant once and we ALL paid the price for that one, including surrounding tables! 30 years later and he's never touched them since. For me, it's mushrooms. Veg masquerading as meat. Disgusting texture, no matter how they're prepared. And the smell of cooked mushrooms...🤢🤮

Learner Panda
Community Member
17 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When I was little, artificial colouring in foods was just various chemicals and they affected me badly and made me vomit. At a children's party I asked for milk instead of the violently orange drink. The mum refused as she thought I was just being special. I wasn't and because I was only about 8 or so, she had to clean up.

MoMcB
Community Member
18 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If the kidneys smell of urine, they haven't been prepared properly. Tbf, I'd only ever eat it if my mother had prepped it, and don't at all now. Sales of steak & kidney pies are mainly into care homes now with the wholesale company I work at.

Sue User
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a kid, we tried everything and ate most everything. So if we didnt like it, we didnt have to eat it. Mom would make steak and kidney pie and tell me to eat everything but the kidneys. But it all tasted like kidneys. Years later, mom and stepfather were having kidneys. I declined and he waved a fork full of them at me. I started gagging just as mom screamed " dont !".

Paulina
Community Member
1 day ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At first I wanted to say it's weird that grown woman gave in to such demands. Then I realized from the comments OP was 12yo at the time! Something similar happened to me when I was around that age. My mother is also the type of person that would not get "no" as an answer in terms of food preferences... She used to make this horrible concoction of warm pasta, cold twaróg (think cottage cheese but with less liquid) and fruit or fruit joghurt on top. Truly disgusting. But she insisted we ALL liked it, when in reality SHE liked it, my brother and father didn't mind, and I was nauseated by mere sight of this. Usually I would just refuse and fix something else for myself (she wasn't happy), but one time she insisted... After a while I gave in, but (predictably) instantly vomited on my own plate and table all around. She finally got the message 🤦‍♀️😆

Parmeisan
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think it's appropriate to mark the image credits as "anonymous" and not link the original article, just because you want to censor their username. You have to credit the author of the story, or not use the story at all.

Janelle Collard
Community Member
Premium
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She knew she just didn't care. If your kid has been vomiting up - since they were a baby - any meat item, you'd really have to be an AH to continue to feed your kid meat.

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FreeTheUnicorn
Community Member
2 days ago

This comment is hidden. Click here to view.

I don't think the above story is real, I don't think there's a place where you can go "over the mountains" where they serve half-kidney pie. But if anyone gets vomiting/diarrhea from mammal meat, it can be due to a tick bite. The immune system gets confused and identifies mammal meat as dangerous and gets it out of your body asap. it lasts around 5nyears and then the immune reaction wears off. Also there's a genetic condition which cases pork from a female to taste like urine. That's a lifelong thing. But the above is a weird fever dream.

Rayne OfSalt
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think you need to broaden your horizons then, if you don't think you can travel somewhere and get some badly made food.

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G A
Community Member
2 days ago (edited)

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Vegan propaganda. Kidneys are not sliced in half and put in a pie. They are diced. And the moron that claims they ordered "kidney pie", no such thing exists. And why would you expect such a thing to be kidney BEANS if it said KIDNEY? And who would/could eat such a thing? Clear Bull Sh1t.

Virgil Blue
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The English do have steak and kidney pie. Pies are generally savoury food items in England I think I remember. Still silly to assume it would be beans without it mentioning it.

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