Mom Knows Daughter Can’t Eat Meat, Forces Her To Still Do It And Faces The Consequences
Getting family to actually accept, much less understand your dietary choices can be a chore. Older folks in particular often simply can’t understand a person not eating something for any reason, whether a moral obligation, religious restriction or even an actual medical inability. The results can, at times, be pretty explicit.
A vegan woman shared her experience with being forced to eat a steak and kidney pie and then immediately throwing up at the dinner table. We reached out to her via private message and will update the article when she gets back to us.
A steak and kidney pie is the last thing someone should serve a vegan
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But that’s exactly what happened to a woman when her mother didn’t inform her aunt that she didn’t eat meat
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There have been people who have rejected meat for thousands of years
While most people avoid animal organs if “real” meat is available, it’s important to remember that for much of history, we simply didn’t have as much food as we’d want. As a result, humans started using more and more parts of the animal, including the kidneys. Generally, not the most appetizing dish, it would often be used as an ingredient to bulk out better cuts, in, for example, the British classic, the steak and kidney pie.
While more “old-fashioned” folks tend to see veganism as a modern phenomenon, or perhaps a rebellious fad, its origins are considerably older. Vegetarianism has been practiced in the Indian subcontinent since as far back as 3300 BCE. While they might not have been as strict as modern vegans, it’s also important to note that the people of the past also had fewer products produced from animals, so this distinction was not as important.
Similarly, there have also been examples in ancient China, often as a result of Buddhist beliefs. This would even include abstention from any animal products or byproducts, including fabrics made from animals, or other items. In other words, a three-thousand-year-old version of veganism. Indeed, there is evidence that ancient China was producing multiple meat alternatives, from the two thousand year old tofu to seitan, a food made from wheat gluten.
The ancient Greeks (for example, Plutarch) and Romans (including Ovid and Seneca the Younger) also had noted individuals who abstained from meat and some animal products. This is all to say that a variety of religions and schools of thought all came to a pretty similar conclusion at some point in the past, so veganism has the credentials to back it up.
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Making someone eat against their will is horrible behavior
The real issue here is not the woman’s veganism, even if it’s unrelated to any ethical beliefs, it’s the fact that her mother seems to have no regard for her preferences. “Disagreeing” with someone’s dietary choices is already questionable, but then forcing them to eat something they literally can’t stomach is just cruel and abusive.
The details the woman shares in the comments, as well as this story do point towards a truly abusive relationship. Pinching someone to make them eat something they can’t stomach after requesting a larger portion is a horrible way to treat your offspring. This is important to note as some readers felt the story was insincere. It is entirely possible one struggles with certain kinds of foods, so they would naturally avoid it.
Rather, we have to understand that the woman who shared it was going through an immense amount of stress at this moment, not just due to the pie, although a poorly prepared kidney is its own hell, but due to the fact that her mother was no doubt controlling in many other ways. While she doesn’t give the details, “forcing” someone to eat requires a lot of coercive power, which the mother clearly has, given the results.
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Not many things send the message quite as well as barfing on someone.
Wonder if OP's mom finally got the hint - don't feed OP meat.
Load More Replies...I have such bad lactose intolerance that just smelling milk makes me want to throw up. The brain has developed an aversion to it. Not my proudest moment in life, but on the spur of the moment I smelled my husband's ice cream cone and dry heaving in a public place was a bit embarrassing. I'm not the sharpest pen in the box.
I (43F) STILL won't eat ANY mayonnaise-based picnic salads (Macaroni Salad, Potato Salad, etc) all because of an incident at a church picnic when I was 8 y/o. I, and half the church, ate some potato salad that we didn't know had not been properly refrigerated. Cue food poisoning. Here's the thing, The lady who made it, was rushing because her husband was running late. She forgot the bowl of salad in the car. The normal procedure for this picnic was, go to church service, then go to picnic. As such, all refrigerated foods were placed in the church kitchen refrigerator. Then placed on ice at the picnic. As she had left it in the car, in the summer heat, she had decided not to bring it out. Her husband, who refused to waste food, brought it out. The lady didn't know this until she saw her, nearly empty, dish on the buffet table. She felt SO awful about it.
I haven't eaten fish since I was 5 following surgery for appendicitis. First meal was fish, mashed potato and ice cream. Threw up the fish immediately after eating it. Never again and I'm now 72! My mother often insisted that I ate fish fingers. No I bloody well don't and never have. She really used to anger me with her wilful deafness.
Yeah, I remember learning in psych class about the causes of the phenomenon where if you barf a food, even if wasn't the thing that made you barf, it can then cause you to barf forever afterward. (googled it, and apparently the term I couldn't remember is "conditioned food aversion")
Load More Replies...Tried steak and kidney pie once, at a lovely pub in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My own choice, and I knew there was a very high chance the kidneys would taste like p**s. And they did. I finished it anyway (I mean, the steak and the pie parts were fantastic) and am very happy to never order that ever again in my lifetime.
Every time my mom or brother (The best cooks in our family when I was a teen) would add kidneys to the cummun based soup/sauce with sheep/cow organs and meat, a regional dish called cammouniya (I know such a perfect name)... I wondered why they do it. It just makes everything worse... Even when you avoid it... There is the permeating taste! I insisted they make it with just heart and meat. I was ok with liver and to me heart was the tastiest part by far so I asked them to just keep the best parts Heart and red mead and try that... EVERYBODY loved the change! From then on that is how my family prepares the dish! Turns out traditional dishes CAN be improved if you figure out that ppl "IN THE BEFORE TIMES" HAD NO CHOICE ahahah. They had to eat the disgusting kidneys!
Load More Replies...Do you really need to be British to understand what a steak and kidney pie is? I mean, it is literally a pie filled with steak and kidney.
True. It's pretty descriptive. "What's in the steak and kidney pie?" "Steak. And kidneys" PS I love your BP name..."the Raccoons" fan, or just coincidence?
Load More Replies...My Mom & sister are naturally meat aversive. They do eat meat, but on their terms. My Dad hated cucumbers and zucchini. I have food intolerances, mainly anything cow related including diary, cucumbers, watermelon, etc. I find it interesting that certain foods I loved my body no longer does. But some of them are things people in my family naturally don't like. Makes you wonder about genetics and diets.
My children always tried a no thank you bite. They were not picky eaters by any means. My daughter would gag at peas and it was obvious if she were to eat them they wouldn't stay down. Unfortunately when she spent the night at a friend's house and I specifically informed the mother of her allergy, she deliberately cooked peas. Yes, she made my daughter sit there for over an hour and eat every pea she had served her. We received a phone call at about 2 am asking us to come pickup our daughter as she was ill and vomiting all over the bedroom. Served that woman right! My daughter and I still laugh about it to this day, 40 years later.
This poor lady and her brother have had a medical problem since they were babies and their mother was an idiot that day. For some people it's textures that will make them gag or puke. My son has ADD and Tourettes at 33 he still won't eat applesauce, yogurt, cake frosting and cool whip are the top 4. When he was a kid we would have to scrape the frosting off his piece of birthday cake.
I eat meat but I would never, have never and will never eat organ meat. My husband loves giblets and chicken hearts. My dad loved chicken livers. Barf. lol
Been there. I’ve always been disgusted by cooked peas. Mom was the cook, so she knew and never put any on my plate. One night she was working so Dad cooked and didn’t believe me that I would throw up if I ate the peas. He made me. Needless to say, he never made me eat them again. 😉
My parents used to make a game of eating steak and kidney pudding. Just disgusting! Being made to count how many pieces of kidney you got doesn’t make it any better. 🤮
It can often be a texture thing, not necessarily the specific food. We talked my young son into finally trying mashed potatoes at a restaurant once and we ALL paid the price for that one, including surrounding tables! 30 years later and he's never touched them since. For me, it's mushrooms. Veg masquerading as meat. Disgusting texture, no matter how they're prepared. And the smell of cooked mushrooms...🤢🤮
When I was little, artificial colouring in foods was just various chemicals and they affected me badly and made me vomit. At a children's party I asked for milk instead of the violently orange drink. The mum refused as she thought I was just being special. I wasn't and because I was only about 8 or so, she had to clean up.
As a kid, we tried everything and ate most everything. So if we didnt like it, we didnt have to eat it. Mom would make steak and kidney pie and tell me to eat everything but the kidneys. But it all tasted like kidneys. Years later, mom and stepfather were having kidneys. I declined and he waved a fork full of them at me. I started gagging just as mom screamed " dont !".
At first I wanted to say it's weird that grown woman gave in to such demands. Then I realized from the comments OP was 12yo at the time! Something similar happened to me when I was around that age. My mother is also the type of person that would not get "no" as an answer in terms of food preferences... She used to make this horrible concoction of warm pasta, cold twaróg (think cottage cheese but with less liquid) and fruit or fruit joghurt on top. Truly disgusting. But she insisted we ALL liked it, when in reality SHE liked it, my brother and father didn't mind, and I was nauseated by mere sight of this. Usually I would just refuse and fix something else for myself (she wasn't happy), but one time she insisted... After a while I gave in, but (predictably) instantly vomited on my own plate and table all around. She finally got the message 🤦♀️😆
She knew she just didn't care. If your kid has been vomiting up - since they were a baby - any meat item, you'd really have to be an AH to continue to feed your kid meat.
Load More Replies...No comment on her mother PINCHING HER to force her to eat?! What fresh hell is this?! I’d have had her arrested! (And I say that as someone who was beaten often, even.) Christ. I’m awfully sad, though, that apparently people won’t eat heart; it tastes JUST like steak but without the fat. I eat beef and chicken hearts; they’re WONDERFUL. (And chicken hearts have a lump of fat on the outside if, like me, you need that moisture.) I grew up on a farm and tasted all the organs, though, and agree that brain (the texture! 🤮) and kidney are disgusting. (Just dawned on me: I’ve never heard of anyone eating lungs; they must be genuinely awful across the board.) Tip: I boil chicken hearts with some salt; beef heart is cooked just like steak. Because it’s not fatty, you’re not gonna want it well-done, though, as just like buffalo, it’ll be hard and dry.
I think you need to broaden your horizons then, if you don't think you can travel somewhere and get some badly made food.
Load More Replies...The English do have steak and kidney pie. Pies are generally savoury food items in England I think I remember. Still silly to assume it would be beans without it mentioning it.
Load More Replies...Not many things send the message quite as well as barfing on someone.
Wonder if OP's mom finally got the hint - don't feed OP meat.
Load More Replies...I have such bad lactose intolerance that just smelling milk makes me want to throw up. The brain has developed an aversion to it. Not my proudest moment in life, but on the spur of the moment I smelled my husband's ice cream cone and dry heaving in a public place was a bit embarrassing. I'm not the sharpest pen in the box.
I (43F) STILL won't eat ANY mayonnaise-based picnic salads (Macaroni Salad, Potato Salad, etc) all because of an incident at a church picnic when I was 8 y/o. I, and half the church, ate some potato salad that we didn't know had not been properly refrigerated. Cue food poisoning. Here's the thing, The lady who made it, was rushing because her husband was running late. She forgot the bowl of salad in the car. The normal procedure for this picnic was, go to church service, then go to picnic. As such, all refrigerated foods were placed in the church kitchen refrigerator. Then placed on ice at the picnic. As she had left it in the car, in the summer heat, she had decided not to bring it out. Her husband, who refused to waste food, brought it out. The lady didn't know this until she saw her, nearly empty, dish on the buffet table. She felt SO awful about it.
I haven't eaten fish since I was 5 following surgery for appendicitis. First meal was fish, mashed potato and ice cream. Threw up the fish immediately after eating it. Never again and I'm now 72! My mother often insisted that I ate fish fingers. No I bloody well don't and never have. She really used to anger me with her wilful deafness.
Yeah, I remember learning in psych class about the causes of the phenomenon where if you barf a food, even if wasn't the thing that made you barf, it can then cause you to barf forever afterward. (googled it, and apparently the term I couldn't remember is "conditioned food aversion")
Load More Replies...Tried steak and kidney pie once, at a lovely pub in Halifax, Nova Scotia. My own choice, and I knew there was a very high chance the kidneys would taste like p**s. And they did. I finished it anyway (I mean, the steak and the pie parts were fantastic) and am very happy to never order that ever again in my lifetime.
Every time my mom or brother (The best cooks in our family when I was a teen) would add kidneys to the cummun based soup/sauce with sheep/cow organs and meat, a regional dish called cammouniya (I know such a perfect name)... I wondered why they do it. It just makes everything worse... Even when you avoid it... There is the permeating taste! I insisted they make it with just heart and meat. I was ok with liver and to me heart was the tastiest part by far so I asked them to just keep the best parts Heart and red mead and try that... EVERYBODY loved the change! From then on that is how my family prepares the dish! Turns out traditional dishes CAN be improved if you figure out that ppl "IN THE BEFORE TIMES" HAD NO CHOICE ahahah. They had to eat the disgusting kidneys!
Load More Replies...Do you really need to be British to understand what a steak and kidney pie is? I mean, it is literally a pie filled with steak and kidney.
True. It's pretty descriptive. "What's in the steak and kidney pie?" "Steak. And kidneys" PS I love your BP name..."the Raccoons" fan, or just coincidence?
Load More Replies...My Mom & sister are naturally meat aversive. They do eat meat, but on their terms. My Dad hated cucumbers and zucchini. I have food intolerances, mainly anything cow related including diary, cucumbers, watermelon, etc. I find it interesting that certain foods I loved my body no longer does. But some of them are things people in my family naturally don't like. Makes you wonder about genetics and diets.
My children always tried a no thank you bite. They were not picky eaters by any means. My daughter would gag at peas and it was obvious if she were to eat them they wouldn't stay down. Unfortunately when she spent the night at a friend's house and I specifically informed the mother of her allergy, she deliberately cooked peas. Yes, she made my daughter sit there for over an hour and eat every pea she had served her. We received a phone call at about 2 am asking us to come pickup our daughter as she was ill and vomiting all over the bedroom. Served that woman right! My daughter and I still laugh about it to this day, 40 years later.
This poor lady and her brother have had a medical problem since they were babies and their mother was an idiot that day. For some people it's textures that will make them gag or puke. My son has ADD and Tourettes at 33 he still won't eat applesauce, yogurt, cake frosting and cool whip are the top 4. When he was a kid we would have to scrape the frosting off his piece of birthday cake.
I eat meat but I would never, have never and will never eat organ meat. My husband loves giblets and chicken hearts. My dad loved chicken livers. Barf. lol
Been there. I’ve always been disgusted by cooked peas. Mom was the cook, so she knew and never put any on my plate. One night she was working so Dad cooked and didn’t believe me that I would throw up if I ate the peas. He made me. Needless to say, he never made me eat them again. 😉
My parents used to make a game of eating steak and kidney pudding. Just disgusting! Being made to count how many pieces of kidney you got doesn’t make it any better. 🤮
It can often be a texture thing, not necessarily the specific food. We talked my young son into finally trying mashed potatoes at a restaurant once and we ALL paid the price for that one, including surrounding tables! 30 years later and he's never touched them since. For me, it's mushrooms. Veg masquerading as meat. Disgusting texture, no matter how they're prepared. And the smell of cooked mushrooms...🤢🤮
When I was little, artificial colouring in foods was just various chemicals and they affected me badly and made me vomit. At a children's party I asked for milk instead of the violently orange drink. The mum refused as she thought I was just being special. I wasn't and because I was only about 8 or so, she had to clean up.
As a kid, we tried everything and ate most everything. So if we didnt like it, we didnt have to eat it. Mom would make steak and kidney pie and tell me to eat everything but the kidneys. But it all tasted like kidneys. Years later, mom and stepfather were having kidneys. I declined and he waved a fork full of them at me. I started gagging just as mom screamed " dont !".
At first I wanted to say it's weird that grown woman gave in to such demands. Then I realized from the comments OP was 12yo at the time! Something similar happened to me when I was around that age. My mother is also the type of person that would not get "no" as an answer in terms of food preferences... She used to make this horrible concoction of warm pasta, cold twaróg (think cottage cheese but with less liquid) and fruit or fruit joghurt on top. Truly disgusting. But she insisted we ALL liked it, when in reality SHE liked it, my brother and father didn't mind, and I was nauseated by mere sight of this. Usually I would just refuse and fix something else for myself (she wasn't happy), but one time she insisted... After a while I gave in, but (predictably) instantly vomited on my own plate and table all around. She finally got the message 🤦♀️😆
She knew she just didn't care. If your kid has been vomiting up - since they were a baby - any meat item, you'd really have to be an AH to continue to feed your kid meat.
Load More Replies...No comment on her mother PINCHING HER to force her to eat?! What fresh hell is this?! I’d have had her arrested! (And I say that as someone who was beaten often, even.) Christ. I’m awfully sad, though, that apparently people won’t eat heart; it tastes JUST like steak but without the fat. I eat beef and chicken hearts; they’re WONDERFUL. (And chicken hearts have a lump of fat on the outside if, like me, you need that moisture.) I grew up on a farm and tasted all the organs, though, and agree that brain (the texture! 🤮) and kidney are disgusting. (Just dawned on me: I’ve never heard of anyone eating lungs; they must be genuinely awful across the board.) Tip: I boil chicken hearts with some salt; beef heart is cooked just like steak. Because it’s not fatty, you’re not gonna want it well-done, though, as just like buffalo, it’ll be hard and dry.
I think you need to broaden your horizons then, if you don't think you can travel somewhere and get some badly made food.
Load More Replies...The English do have steak and kidney pie. Pies are generally savoury food items in England I think I remember. Still silly to assume it would be beans without it mentioning it.
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