Friend Thinks Woman’s Abusive Mother Can Be Excused Because “It’s Hard Being A Parent,” So She Compares Her To Her Ex To Open Her Eyes
It’s no big news that abuse can occur in all kinds of relationships, even within families; however, some tend to believe that just because someone is blood, they are incapable of being morally flawed – and the pal of today’s original poster is also not an exception!
The thing is, the woman cut ties with her emotionally abusive mother a year ago and was recently encouraged by her friend to reconcile – but to make her point, she decided to draw a comparison with her buddy’s ex-husband, which resulted in some ugly fight.
More info: Reddit | Jessica Tett’s Instagram
Woman cuts ties with her emotionally and mentally abusive mother
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Gets told she should step up and make amends because “it’s hard being a parent”
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“AITA for using my friend’s ‘logic’ against her and making her cry?” – this internet user took to one of Reddit’s most honorable communities, asking its members if she’s indeed a jerk for making her mate cry after comparing her abusive mother to her ex-husband. The post managed to garner over 24K upvotes as well as 2.5K comments discussing the situation.
Nobody is perfect – it’s inarguable.
We make mistakes and do things we regret; it applies to your dearest friends, your elderly neighbors, that smiley cashier at your local Walmart, and even the late Queen of England.
However, what many folks tend to turn a blind eye to are their parents. I mean, it’s understandable, to a certain degree, as how could a person that willingly brought you into this world do you harm? It’s absurd!
Well, it turns out that they can.
Expecting kids to agree with everything they say and not seeing them as individuals, not believing in the child’s privacy, physical/verbal/emotional abuse, constant blaming, manipulation – the list can go on and on.
Yes, some are lucky to have loving and caring parents that wouldn’t dare to inflict any sort of pain on their offspring, which is why they might find it hard to understand others’ struggles – take the friend of the original poster, for instance.
Nevertheless, nobody expects people to fathom what they’re going through and why they decided to do this or that, as everyone goes through different things in life – but having the audacity to lecture someone on their own relationship with their mother just because it might seem bizarre and illogical in your eyes is a jerky thing to do, especially if it’s still a touchy subject.
Perhaps the author’s response was a little harsh, but let’s face it, we all need that punch of reality at some point or another. Plus, who knows, maybe the woman didn’t storm out because the post’s creator took it “too far” but because she was made to understand exactly how her friend felt.
To make a point on how abuse isn’t OK from anyone, she compares her mother to her friend’s ex
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Now, to get a more professional outlook on the matter, Bored Panda decided to reach out to Jessica Tett! First things first, we invited our expert to introduce herself to our readers: “I’m a person-centred counsellor. That means I work together with a client to explore and describe what their life is like for them. Going through this process can mean that clients identify patterns, work out connections, and get to know their feelings and emotions. They often start to want to prioritise themselves more, and become better able to organise their lives the way that suits them best.”
Then, to understand the science behind emotionally abusive parents and perhaps assist those who might be struggling, we pondered how to cope with such an issue: “You might feel torn in two – one part of you wanting to cut off contact with them, and another part of you wanting to stay close, maybe even get closer. Maybe you have tried for years to ‘keep the peace’ and to build a relationship with them, and also had periods when you’ve had to stay away because of their behaviour and [the] impact of past hurts. Some people around you may be telling you to cut off all ties, while others are telling you that blood is thicker than water.”
“And then, into that mix of difficult feelings, add the impact on you of the emotional abuse itself. The impact isn’t always clear to us, as adults. Sometimes we can’t quite remember how we felt as a child, when we were the victim of the abuse, but we can feel that child’s confusion: how come the people who are meant to love me most, seem to be the people who are hurting me most? For some of us, this feeling of confusion – and perhaps feelings of shame and sadness as well – hangs around for a long time. These feelings might make it harder to manage relationships, trust people and feel good about ourselves.”
“If you are in this situation, with emotionally abusive parents, and it feels right for you, spending some time and money on exploring the impact of the abuse can be very helpful. Doing this can mean that you become aware of patterns in your own behaviour and feelings. Getting to know yourself in this way means that you have better information to make your decisions with. When you know yourself better, you’ll know better what you want to happen next in your relationship with your parents, so that you get the outcome that is going to suit you best.”
However, it all goes south and she storms out crying
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BP also asked why some hold the mistaken belief that just because someone is family, they can’t be bad, and Jessica replied: “If we have a deep belief that all parents love their children and treat them well, anything that rocks that belief can feel incredibly difficult. It might feel literally impossible that parents could hurt their own child. We believe parents are good, partly from our own intuition and partly because of the stories we see around us about families. We see mums who’d do anything for their kids, hero dads, loving siblings, families sticking together – we certainly don’t often see emotionally abusive family members. Culturally, we’re told that because blood is thicker than water, this means that we must protect family members above others, we ought to be loyal and faithful to our families, and tolerate anything from them.”
“The OP’s response to her friend sounded like it came from a place of real hurt: both hurt that her friend wasn’t able to understand her, as well as all the hurts the OP had felt at the hands of her family. Often when we are hurt, what we really want is for someone to listen and do their best to understand what’s going on for us. When we aren’t heard and are misunderstood, we can feel hurt all over again, and in an attempt to protect ourselves, we can respond with anger” – our expert said when we wondered if she believed that the OP’s response to her friend was a tad excessive.
Last but certainly not least, the woman added: “Always do your best to be as kind to yourself as you can. If you can, choose soft words and a gentle attitude to yourself internally. And go outside in nature as often as possible.”
What is your take on this story, though? Do you think the author was right, or would you have done something differently?
Fellow online community members shared their thoughts and opinions
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Share on FacebookPeople do not realize how much it takes for kids to go no contact with parents. Most people desperately want parents and will put up with all kinds of stuff to have them. If it gets to the point that the child has decided to go NC things are really bad and the child has tried everything. Other people need to understand that. It's up to the estranged parent to go-OH. Here's how I abused you. I was a jackass and I was wrong. Until the parent is able to acknowledge what they did wrong they will just keep doing the same thing over and over. No one needs to be in an abusive relationship. Even if it's with your parents.
I agree, I think it takes a lot more to walk away from a parent or a family member than anyone else. If you're a parent whose child has decided to go no contact chances are pretty good you earned it.
Load More Replies...I stopped talking to my best friend since childhood when I was 24. She grew up with me until I was 12 and moved and she continued to visit me so she knew how strict and crazy my mother was. Her mom was like a second mom to me and she died of Parkinsons in 2007. It was horribly sad. I worked for my mother at the time and she was not supportive in me going to the funeral. She said I could not take off work that Saturday. Luckily I got paid that week and took nearly my entire check and bought a round trip ticket to CT so I could attend. Our families were so close I'm surprised she didn't insist we all go even to keep up appearances. This was the person I could tell anything, that I could go to with any crazy thing in my life because she had always been there for me. I was there for her when her dad left her mom while she was sick after starting an online relationship with a woman in FL. It seemed so out of character but I didn't question it I wad there for her. He moved her mom into a nursing home and this woman and her daughter into my best friends childhood home. It was very painful for her. 2 years after her mom died and I had been to rehab and had a baby of my own I realized my mother was trying to destruct my entire life because she couldn't control me anymore. I finally saw sense and thst she was dangerous to me and my family. My friend lectured me that I'm lucky to still have a mother and it's a slap In her face tharmt I don't appreciate it. Throughout the whole conversation I could tell my mother had already gotten to her and that she already had an opinion and knew everything I was going to say. It hurt immensely and still does but I stopped talking to her after that. I don't know what my mother said to her but she was completely different towards me and I knew our friendship would never be there again. I could have told her the truth about the shitshow I caused by going to her mom's funeral because I wasn't allowed but I didn't. It hurt me badly. My mother has done this to every friendship I have had and don't understand how people are believing her when they were there to witness how psycho and controlling and abusive she was emotionally to me.
Some abusers are very, very good at making their victims the villain. I hope you're able to cut off your mother. Giving up on a relationship with her will be a gift to yourself and probably to your children, too.
Load More Replies...I am very blessed to have two very loving and supportive parents. They have seen me through at least two nervous breakdowns and stand by my side through everything. Unfortunately, not everyone is able to have parents like mine and no one should force them to have a relationship with them. Some parents should not be parents, but because they are, they decide to mistreat their children. Children deserve love and protection, not someone's anger and complaining. Unless you were there to see what was going on in that person's house, keep your opinion to yourself.
The medicine is most bitter when it has to be taken by the hand that administered it to begin with, right? At some point, I've been on both ends of that spectrum so I am more careful about what I say now. In that sense though, OP did well to school her "friend" about her brand of hypocrisy seeing as she tried to play the "stress of being a parent" card. When she had to wake up and smell the coffee on her end, OP rightfully served it extra bitter, I'd say. Moral is, watch your words or they will bite your behind big time. I speak from a "been there, done that, experienced it" standpoint.
I have no contact to my narcissistic mother and it triggers me immensely if someone is trying to persuade me to reach out again. Especially if they don't have any understanding. Do you really think it was easy to break off contact? How hard it is to be judged almost every time from the older generations? I'm so tired of this.
You are not obligated to maintain contact with a toxic person just because you share DNA.
This fool got what she deserved. SO glad my parents are both awesome.
Ooh. She got brought into the BUUURRRNNN unit and fed some of her own medicine. Good. "PaReNtInG iS hArD." Ffs. Sounds like she's got a guilty conscious.
It's hard to be a parent? Of course, but it's the choice she made. Even if somebody forced her to become a parent, it was most definitely not her child. They didn't ask to be born in that s****y family.
I think I need to save this... and forward it to ALL the people (and that'd be... let's see 99.9% of the people who know about the bs my mother churned me through) that gave me the SAME garbage "She's your MOM"... "Oh, surely YOU misunderstood HER, it's not her fault". Bull. sh**. There is no other way to interpret the sentence: "I didn't want to have you." and... "You were such a disappointment; that's why we had your brother", etc. Not exactly SUBTLE. And NO, I'm NOT 'forever grateful' for her giving me life because she tried to ensure every day of that life was sh**ier than the next.
And you did not ask to be born. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that c**p. And F*** anyone who tries to get you to talk to her!
Load More Replies...YTA, but sometimes you have to be. In 57 years I've had to be be the rectal chapeau a handful of times, and every time the other person had left me no alternative but to hurt their feelings, and I gave warning every time.
Time for the JAH flag (Justified AH). Being the AH is sometimes necessary when no other tactic works. Had this been the first time the friend mentioned it, and this was OP's response I'd say it was the nastier YTA, but they kept pushing, not listening, and insisting that they were right because they're a parent (?!). So Justified AH was the only response to get through.
Load More Replies...My brother and I are polar opposites. If we were not brothers I wouldn't be his friend, not for one second. Some people seem to think of "family" as this everlasting bond that should overcome fundamental differences in personalities, beliefs, ideologies, experiences, perspectives, etc etc. Nothing could be further from the truth. If this abusive parent were instead an abusive friend, for example, would you continue to take the abuse? No. Would anybody blame you for cutting this person off from your life? No. But, somehow, if it's family, they get an infinite supply of do-overs and second chances. These people don't deserve it. But here's the true tell, see if the mother, instead, reaches out to reconcile. We already know the answer to that.
Not the arsehole. I have been in your shoes and I understand your reaction, however using someone's abuse as a weapon against them is not really cool. There was perhaps a more empathetic way you might have delivered the message.
He didn't "weaponize" her situation against her. He just turned around what she said to him so she can recognize and reflect what it sounds like on the other end. Doesn't feel good and it's not supposed to. He was actually being empathetic. Empathy means to show and share the feelings of another. Doesn't necessarily mean warm, fuzzy feelings. Just feelings, both nice and not so nice. He showed his disapproval and shared how her remarks made him feel by example. You may be thinking more along the lines of sympathy, meaning understanding how the other person feels, but not sharing their feelings. This mom was lacking sympathy towards this guy's situation in the first place. Since she can't sympathize he had to empathize to get through to her. Some people need that no matter how unpleasant it is. I'm sure now she will take a second thought before giving advice on things she isn't 100% informed on.
Load More Replies...My Dad & I were estranged for several years, but we were working on it. My "new" SIL whom I'd only known for about 2 years, tells me what I "need" to do about my relationship with my Father. I shut that sh*t down right quick. I very firmly informed her that "how I conduct MY relationship with MY Father is none of your f*cking business and you need to step off".
People do not realize how much it takes for kids to go no contact with parents. Most people desperately want parents and will put up with all kinds of stuff to have them. If it gets to the point that the child has decided to go NC things are really bad and the child has tried everything. Other people need to understand that. It's up to the estranged parent to go-OH. Here's how I abused you. I was a jackass and I was wrong. Until the parent is able to acknowledge what they did wrong they will just keep doing the same thing over and over. No one needs to be in an abusive relationship. Even if it's with your parents.
I agree, I think it takes a lot more to walk away from a parent or a family member than anyone else. If you're a parent whose child has decided to go no contact chances are pretty good you earned it.
Load More Replies...I stopped talking to my best friend since childhood when I was 24. She grew up with me until I was 12 and moved and she continued to visit me so she knew how strict and crazy my mother was. Her mom was like a second mom to me and she died of Parkinsons in 2007. It was horribly sad. I worked for my mother at the time and she was not supportive in me going to the funeral. She said I could not take off work that Saturday. Luckily I got paid that week and took nearly my entire check and bought a round trip ticket to CT so I could attend. Our families were so close I'm surprised she didn't insist we all go even to keep up appearances. This was the person I could tell anything, that I could go to with any crazy thing in my life because she had always been there for me. I was there for her when her dad left her mom while she was sick after starting an online relationship with a woman in FL. It seemed so out of character but I didn't question it I wad there for her. He moved her mom into a nursing home and this woman and her daughter into my best friends childhood home. It was very painful for her. 2 years after her mom died and I had been to rehab and had a baby of my own I realized my mother was trying to destruct my entire life because she couldn't control me anymore. I finally saw sense and thst she was dangerous to me and my family. My friend lectured me that I'm lucky to still have a mother and it's a slap In her face tharmt I don't appreciate it. Throughout the whole conversation I could tell my mother had already gotten to her and that she already had an opinion and knew everything I was going to say. It hurt immensely and still does but I stopped talking to her after that. I don't know what my mother said to her but she was completely different towards me and I knew our friendship would never be there again. I could have told her the truth about the shitshow I caused by going to her mom's funeral because I wasn't allowed but I didn't. It hurt me badly. My mother has done this to every friendship I have had and don't understand how people are believing her when they were there to witness how psycho and controlling and abusive she was emotionally to me.
Some abusers are very, very good at making their victims the villain. I hope you're able to cut off your mother. Giving up on a relationship with her will be a gift to yourself and probably to your children, too.
Load More Replies...I am very blessed to have two very loving and supportive parents. They have seen me through at least two nervous breakdowns and stand by my side through everything. Unfortunately, not everyone is able to have parents like mine and no one should force them to have a relationship with them. Some parents should not be parents, but because they are, they decide to mistreat their children. Children deserve love and protection, not someone's anger and complaining. Unless you were there to see what was going on in that person's house, keep your opinion to yourself.
The medicine is most bitter when it has to be taken by the hand that administered it to begin with, right? At some point, I've been on both ends of that spectrum so I am more careful about what I say now. In that sense though, OP did well to school her "friend" about her brand of hypocrisy seeing as she tried to play the "stress of being a parent" card. When she had to wake up and smell the coffee on her end, OP rightfully served it extra bitter, I'd say. Moral is, watch your words or they will bite your behind big time. I speak from a "been there, done that, experienced it" standpoint.
I have no contact to my narcissistic mother and it triggers me immensely if someone is trying to persuade me to reach out again. Especially if they don't have any understanding. Do you really think it was easy to break off contact? How hard it is to be judged almost every time from the older generations? I'm so tired of this.
You are not obligated to maintain contact with a toxic person just because you share DNA.
This fool got what she deserved. SO glad my parents are both awesome.
Ooh. She got brought into the BUUURRRNNN unit and fed some of her own medicine. Good. "PaReNtInG iS hArD." Ffs. Sounds like she's got a guilty conscious.
It's hard to be a parent? Of course, but it's the choice she made. Even if somebody forced her to become a parent, it was most definitely not her child. They didn't ask to be born in that s****y family.
I think I need to save this... and forward it to ALL the people (and that'd be... let's see 99.9% of the people who know about the bs my mother churned me through) that gave me the SAME garbage "She's your MOM"... "Oh, surely YOU misunderstood HER, it's not her fault". Bull. sh**. There is no other way to interpret the sentence: "I didn't want to have you." and... "You were such a disappointment; that's why we had your brother", etc. Not exactly SUBTLE. And NO, I'm NOT 'forever grateful' for her giving me life because she tried to ensure every day of that life was sh**ier than the next.
And you did not ask to be born. I'm so sorry that you had to go through that c**p. And F*** anyone who tries to get you to talk to her!
Load More Replies...YTA, but sometimes you have to be. In 57 years I've had to be be the rectal chapeau a handful of times, and every time the other person had left me no alternative but to hurt their feelings, and I gave warning every time.
Time for the JAH flag (Justified AH). Being the AH is sometimes necessary when no other tactic works. Had this been the first time the friend mentioned it, and this was OP's response I'd say it was the nastier YTA, but they kept pushing, not listening, and insisting that they were right because they're a parent (?!). So Justified AH was the only response to get through.
Load More Replies...My brother and I are polar opposites. If we were not brothers I wouldn't be his friend, not for one second. Some people seem to think of "family" as this everlasting bond that should overcome fundamental differences in personalities, beliefs, ideologies, experiences, perspectives, etc etc. Nothing could be further from the truth. If this abusive parent were instead an abusive friend, for example, would you continue to take the abuse? No. Would anybody blame you for cutting this person off from your life? No. But, somehow, if it's family, they get an infinite supply of do-overs and second chances. These people don't deserve it. But here's the true tell, see if the mother, instead, reaches out to reconcile. We already know the answer to that.
Not the arsehole. I have been in your shoes and I understand your reaction, however using someone's abuse as a weapon against them is not really cool. There was perhaps a more empathetic way you might have delivered the message.
He didn't "weaponize" her situation against her. He just turned around what she said to him so she can recognize and reflect what it sounds like on the other end. Doesn't feel good and it's not supposed to. He was actually being empathetic. Empathy means to show and share the feelings of another. Doesn't necessarily mean warm, fuzzy feelings. Just feelings, both nice and not so nice. He showed his disapproval and shared how her remarks made him feel by example. You may be thinking more along the lines of sympathy, meaning understanding how the other person feels, but not sharing their feelings. This mom was lacking sympathy towards this guy's situation in the first place. Since she can't sympathize he had to empathize to get through to her. Some people need that no matter how unpleasant it is. I'm sure now she will take a second thought before giving advice on things she isn't 100% informed on.
Load More Replies...My Dad & I were estranged for several years, but we were working on it. My "new" SIL whom I'd only known for about 2 years, tells me what I "need" to do about my relationship with my Father. I shut that sh*t down right quick. I very firmly informed her that "how I conduct MY relationship with MY Father is none of your f*cking business and you need to step off".
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