Creep is a creep, attractive or not. Creepy or rude behavior shouldn't be just forgiven because someone is attractive.

On the other hand, there’s no amount of physical attractiveness that makes it OK for a guy to wordlessly follow me around and then slam his stuff around when I pair up with another male classmate for group work, to give an example from my uni days. Sometimes the creepiness isn’t about what you look like.

Hmmm, maybe what the difference is is that some men pick up on (because they care to look out for) whether their behaviour is appreciated and other men plough on with no consideration of how they are making the woman feel. Thus a man that is attractive to a woman can behave in certain ways without her feeling threatened etc because he is acting on her cues, whereas a man that isn't attractive to that woman and is being given the cues to stop and move on, but carries on regardless is being a creep. I find it depressing that this is so hard to grasp.

I don't agree to this 100%, If you make me feel uncomfortable, it's what you do, not how you look. Some "Pretty boys" just think they can get away with s**t because of their looks, it's not the case.

No. Of course pretty a**holes exist as well. Mostly this is a question of consent and this here is the excuse of the rejected party (often male, but definitely a fair share of women too). If someone is not interested in flirting/whatever with you for whatever reason (shallow or not), it is his or her right to reject you. Period. If you (gorgeous or ugly) respect that, good. If you don't respect that, you are creepy. Don't stare at people, don't stand too close to initiate a flirt or whatever, never grope and never follow them around (even if you are simply working up your courage to introduce yourself, no one is a mind-reader and it just comes across as super creepy). But yeah, apparently a lot of people (male and female) didn't get that memo.

Yeah, no. Creepy behaviour is creepy no matter who is doing it. If an unattractive guy is being branded a creep it's because he's being a creep.

Nope, creepy guys are creeps no matter what they look like, or do for a living, or how rich/poor they are. DON'T BE A D**K!

this behavior is not gender specific.

Long known fact: if you're good looking, it's flirting. If you're ugly, it's harrassment.

I've heard this one before, but I've not myself, nor have I seen another woman give a pass to an attractive man when he talked or acted nasty.

Probably because the attention from a guy who the woman is attracted to is wanted while the attention from the guy who she isn't attracted to is UNwanted. That's the difference. Any unwanted attention if persistent is creepy

I don't really care what they look like, if they act like jerks, I'm calling them jerks. They can be the most attractive guy in the universe to me and I'll still call him out if he thinks being a dickbag is acceptable.

Yes, cause it's only okay if the person is attractive.

Also, sulking when unattractive women get rejected by attractive guys, whilst doing the same to unattractive guys.

So as goodlooking guys often get away with shitty behaviour (as do goodlooking women) you demand that unattraktive guys get to behave just as horrible without getting called out either??? And also: non-verbal communication and consent: if a goodlooking guy pulls off a line like "hey chick, want to suck my d*" and the girl is in for it, I personally might wish she wouldn't go for such behaviour, but at least the guy presumably read her right (instead of just overstepping some women's bounderies)

It isnt about attractive or not...it's about unwanted attention. Men, in general, need to learn to read non-verbal cues better and accept the first sign of disinterest. You become a creep when it is offensive or repeated attempts...just leave us alone.

Creeps = smiling predators.

The records specialist at work was very attractive and was dating a racecar driver. She came over to show me how to fix a spreadsheet that I had mangled. I paid her a compliment by saying, "You really should get an agent and look into modeling work. You look like the ladies I see in fashion magazines" after we finished. Wow, the fireworks went off after that. Any woman but her would have appreciated the compliment. I was not flirting, pressuring for a date, or trying to do anything but be nice. She told me that I creeped her out. She then complained in writing to H.R. for sexual harassment. Huh? What did I do? She reacted just as strongly as if I had fondled her in the ladies' bathroom. So I got suspended. The boss told me over the phone I had to stay out for three days, and then we were going to have closed-door meetings with the 2nd level supervisor, which is serious. I checked my bank account, and they had just dropped 15 minutes before that a $3900 performance/longevity bonus into my bank account. Fine, I went home & sent a resignation email to H.R. explaining my side of what happened. I was working as a staff hire at a new position with better pay & benefits by the next Tuesday. I missed exactly one day of work. Who needs them and their crap. See ya! They had a long-term turnover problem at that plant. The boss who suspended me was the source of the turnover problem with his amazingly bad management. He got in trouble for suspending me. Also, they eventually forced Ms. Overly-Sensitive to resign. The joke was on her.

Plenty of good looking guys are creepy!!

Delicate issue: The difference between unwanted attention and wanted attention is huge, but how much of this is based on what the guy can know and how much is based on the woman holding men to different standards. If a waitress flips out how terrible it is that a "creep" acts flirty with her when she works, does she allow attractive guys to pick her up at work? How much offense boils down to, "Ewww! You're gross! You're supposed to know your place as a loser!" (Don't take this example to mean that it SHOULD be okay to hit on waittresses, only that sometimes women reinforce to men bad lessons about socialization.)

Lest ye not forget...Ted Bundy was a handsome man by all accounts. He was educated, smart and charming. Which also made him a very prominent serial killer.

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Not surprised that the persons starting this one are men. That is the sort of thing that incels tell themselves, but I don't know a single woman like that.

always blame it on the ugly guy aii

Yep. Say it louder!

Perfect example of this is the song "Glad You Came" by The Wanted. The song is literally a misogynistic tribute about getting a girl drunk and taking her 'where no one else can see". I can't help but wonder how many girls and women didn't even hear the lyrics because they were too enthralled by a bunch of cute guys singing at them.

In another words: I know that you're lying but you look good.

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toxic females with low self-esteem will get on the phone with their girlfriends & blast away with gossip that says a man is gay after he stops dating them after two dates. This is because the man did not try to seduce them or have sex with them. These low self-esteem women are sure the only reason that was the case was that the man is gay, since after all, they are such ravishing beauties. No dear, you need to lose some weight, stop buying your clothes at the mark-down rack at Goodwill, learn how to wear make-up, and discover the virtues of deodorant. It would also help if you treated the man with a little respect, friendship, kindness, and positive encouragement instead of your usual obnoxious act. Sad to say, people are very quick to put the "gay" label on a man for the slightest reason or no reason at all. Toxic feminist females like to do this for the feelings of power and control it gives them. Also it provides a convenient, face-saving excuse for why the man doesn't date them anymore.