True feminism is giving everybody the choice to live the life they want, regardless of gender or stereotypes.

Yup

Tell that to the cops.

Or thinking other women can't be too

My wife had a c-section and our daughter and my wife couldn't take to breastfeeding, and people would make comments about how natural birth and breastfeeding makes real bonds. This hurt my wife, caused some early depression and made her worry about the bond with our daughter, but this really has had no impact on their relationship. My wife now gets angry because of the stupidity of the people saying this and the snobbiness of these fools.

Sounds like the other woman was probably insecure.

You're unique! Just like everybody else.

100% this.

Or even a conversation.

There is not justification for treating other people bad!

This is not "Toxic femininity", this is "toxic feminism". Sounds very similar, but different concepts. Other examples on this thread are good, but this slightly misses the mark

this is a common behaviour, attacking others that made different choices, because somehow you feel that your choices are being attack, by them...meat eater vs vegetarians(I eat meat myself), childfree vs parents. believers vs non believers...very human, jet very stupid

So glad I have met few like this. Bitchiest person I know is my brother in law,

OMG I can soooo relate to that being a single dad to two daughters... I understand and appreciate social awareness and so on, but single mum with two sons will not meet with the problems I deal with. And honestly, people who think it's shady for a guy to live alone with two teen daughters are real pervs. I mean s**t, they're my kids, what's in your head? This is not solely a toxic feminity thoug, applies to men as well.

This is unrelated, but I like the picture.

Funny, only people who have commented on my weight recently were men. Wrong whoever does it.

That's just f****d up. Guess I shouldn't expect anyone to care when I die then coz I am far from pretty lol. Such a stupid thing to say.

If I had a choice i would definitely choose to be a mermaid.

I've no doubt that this is something that some spiteful and resentful women do. However, I'm also aware that narcissistic abusers (of either gender) will also say this exact same thing when they are actually the one in the wrong, as that it basically their MO. Having been through a couple of victim survivor programmes for abused women myself, I've seen far too many wonderful, abuse-survivors being slated like this by their exes. Women who are like this post also make it worse for those who aren't but are being portrayed as being so by their abusers. Hope I make sense

When my husband and I got divorced, it was a mutual agreement. We even used the same lawyer because we only needed someone to do the legal stuff. I left him the house but took the furniture. I only asked for a one-time lump sum payment, instead of continuous maintenance payments. That lump sum was to help with the down payment on my new house in another state. He thought he was getting a raw deal until the lawyer explained to him what I was actually entitled to but not asking for. I only wanted to part ways and live my own life, and let him do the same. We're still friends. In fact, we get along better now that we don't live with each other than we did when we were married.

I genuinely needed a protection order against my abusive ex. He sabotaged my vehicle to the point it almost blew up on me, shut utilities off in my house in the middle of winter with his children in the house no less, stalked me, destroyed my reputation, etc... I couldn't get a protection order because I needed to be physically abused despite proof of his abuse otherwise. He was physically abusive when we were still together mind you. The police never did anything about it when they were called except take him a few blocks away to "cool down". I definitely got it later when he came back. These manipulators make me sick.

This is something that happens in rich countries which are in minority, mostly women pull the short end of the stick in divorce. At least in my country. And this trope is so misused to judge women as "getting everything in life easily" when that is really not the case.

i worked in a court house. most guys there wouldnt get married or have kids after seeing the THOUSANDS of dollars a month and house and car women would get. like living off the govt, you have no incentive to not be useless when your being paid a years salary per month to sit on your ass.

The first rule of divorce is you don't talk crap to the kids about the other one. No matter what they did to you, your ex is still their parent and a role model. Its fine to answer questions or alleviate kids fears but there's a big difference between "daddy was drinking yesterday and made a decision that hurt himself and others" and "your dad is useless #*$%& drunk who should be locked away forever". Even worse is "you can't have ice cream because mommy refuses to pay child support". You just made a fight between the two of you into a child feeling unloved and abandoned.

That's the awful-person version, yes. I've seen the much more tragic side of divorce: where a genuinely abused spouse refused to get a divorce because she thought she could "fix" him. She couldn't; he tried to kill her. And it took all 3 of her kids telling her so for her to finally admit that he was beyond redemption.

And this is why you have no-fault divorce and split everything 50-50 regardless. Then noone can abuse the system

On the note of divorce, if a married guy tried to hook up with you on a dating app, and you found out he's married after, is it toxic femininity to not let the wife know? Should women be telling on their cheating husbands? As a wife would you want to know?

It happened to me. My mistake was lowering myself to her level to cope with her abuse, making her entitled to feel she was the victim, and putting our daughter in between. I should have been smarter back then, but considering how mentally unbalanced she is, she would have found any excuse to seoarate me from my daughter.

it's why prenups exist

I would bet good money on the fact this is extremely rare- and there are 1000% more actual abusers who not only go unpunished but continue the psychological abuse using the kids as weapons

Or you can do what I did. I left with the clothes on my back and went to my parent's house and started over my life. Completely. No spousal support, no nothing.

I can sort of relate. There were no allegations of abuse in my case, but it wasn't fair. I thought things were going well up until the day she said she was leaving. 2 weeks later I learned that she'd moved in with the guy she was cheating on me with, who owns several businesses, nice house, cottage; clearly a wealthier guy. Result of the divorce was that I had to surrender a hefty portion of my retirement savings, half the equity in the house I owned, and pay her $500 a month for three years or until she re-marries - whichever comes first. She got re-married a month after the 3 years was up.

This is a sad story my husband told me happened when he was young, every thing to the tee

Poor little MRA! :((((((

Someone's bitter. You've seen it happen to more than one guy? I've seen those same guys be physically, emotionally, and verbally abusive to their wives and kids while everyone in the community and their buddies only have good things to say about them. I grew up in one of those abusive households. My dad was abusive. After things got really bad, we went and got a restraining order, which, btw, they don't just give out because you come in acting like a drama queen, so that's a HUGE red flag right there about what kinds of guys these are. We didn't do family court since my sisters and I were all 16 and older, and my mom wanted nothing from my dad, so she didn't file for alimony. And my sisters and I did enough s**t-talking with each other. My guess is your kids know you're pieces of s**t and don't need any encouragement.

Gee, who wrote this? Maybe a guy??

Yep, I’m the breadwinner in my household due to my husband’s physical disability, woman that think like this brings us back a hundred years

Add burping, farting, even doing poops. Yes women poop, shocking, I know.

I think this goes for both genders. My husband tries this with cooking ("oh but I dont know how to cook that" / "but you are better at cooking anyway"). Or when he does something he does it badly so I want to do it myself next time (i.e. cleaning).

This comment kills me and I'm not gay. The "Have you ever TRIED XXXX" bit. To me, that's the same as asking if I've ever tried dating a guy to know if I was gay or not.

This is what 4 carrots looks like to me and most men. 4-carrots-...04e6bc.jpg

Both my hubby and I let/ask each other if or where we are going out of respect, not control. All I ask is the latest he will be home, so if he isn't home by that time I should start to worry and vice versa. Also to make sure neither of us had already made other plans.

I've experienced this too, but what they don't realize is that if they're talking about others with such spitefulness, what's to say they won't be the next one on the 'we dislike list'..