That guy needs reported. And I’m all for a 15 dollar minimum and getting rid of tipping. My old lady and I didn’t get a come up until the pandemic when we were considered essential enough to get a raise.

@Scrogginj...I tried to report him to Dept of Labor & Industries and to the Health Department (after getting moldy food.) L&I wouldn't take the complaint unless it came from a worker. The servers were all too scared of retaliation to do it. And the Health Department...well his wife worked for them so she could give him a heads up every time they planned an inspection. One place he hasn't been reported to, and I'm tempted to do so, is the IRS...because I can guarantee he's not only not reporting the extra money...but he's probably getting funds from the government to supplement his employees income and is pocketing it instead of passing it on.

I don't know who you spoke to, but that's a crock. I turned in my ex~husband's employers to the Labor Board due to them refusing to pay OT wages. I certainly didn't work there. Try again.

Retaliation is exactly why servers, myself included, aren't demanding higher wages. The second any of the management start to hear or even suspect any their servers discussing higher wages, those servers are out of a job so fast ', it's not even funny. That conversation isn't one we'll discuss with even our closest friend/coworker because of what will happen. You're shifts start getting cut, you begin to get less and less tables, knocked out of getting any larger groups or parties, your coworkers treat you differently, you find yourself getting written up for essentially nothing and if you don't quit from the frustration of all that (most will) the next step is doing what it takes to get you fired. You can't trust anyone in the restaurant industry, it's every, man for himself, so to speak. As for those of you assuming any of our education level, just don't. I have a college degree and 80% of my coworkers are college educated. There's not many jobs where we live.

Then his employees should turn him into the Labor Board & the IRS. Again, if you can't survive at a job, DON'T WORK THERE.

Their issue appears to be multimillion to billion dollar companies are expecting us to pick up the slack bc they don't want to pay normal wages. I'd think it's pretty obvious what their issue is. So now my issues: 1. Passive aggressively defending something doesn't provide as much cover as you think: you absolutely out yourself as someone who has no issue stepping on the backs of others. Issue 2 is your last sentence requires a question mark, bc I don't always Grammar Nazi, but when I do it's over people trying to defend abusive practices.

Missed opportunity not throwing their pretentious wording back at them by starting off with, "You're simply wrong on the law, Bruno".

Yup. Typical greed scenario.

Well then it might be a good time to check out how all the restaurants in almost every country outside of Canada and the United States make it work without forcing their employees to rely on tips?

*although unfortunately that’s the hard part :/ many people who are passionate about the tipping/no-tipping debate are less passionate about lobbying for change (I have an opinion on it and even I’ve honestly done 0 about it but casually complain), and it’s not high on a lot of politician’s radars in North America. So, honest question to anyone who feels like chatting, how should we do this? 🤔

I am disgusted by the fact that this comment has been downvoted while the "it's not my responsibility" has upvotes. No wonder the USA is in so much trouble if the general attitude is like that.

It's not the customer's responsibility, though. A person shouldn't accept a job that is underpaying them. Both parties should prioritize legislature that improves quality of life. But a customer walking into a restaurant shouldn't be obligated to throw money at waitresses, as if they're street urchins, when the restaurant is abusing their workers behind the scenes.

Agreed. This is the land of capitalism, the land of plenty and opportunity, yet it's also the land where restaurant owners foist the responsibility to pay their employees' salaries onto the customer. Plenty of other countries don't have this problem...

The guilt of one person in no way assuages the guilt of anyone else. Even if someone shoots someone in the gut and leaves them bleeding out in the street, you can't rob them and say it's the shooter who's guilty. If you don't think the restaurant owner's employment practices are good, don't eat there. If you do eat there, you are obliged to treat the waitress FAIRLY.

Yeah I'd just much rather eat at home anyways, cheaper and I cook better food then most restaurants anyway, this type of mindset is the main reasoning why I don't go out to eat, I work hard for my money if I want to go out cause I don't want to cook then I'm going to pay for my meal and the staff and servers do the job their hired to do or go find another profession cause it's obviously not for anyone who b***h and moans cause they didn't get a Optional gratiuty, I stg the way people have made this makes it to where people don't wanna eat out and tip y'all for doing y'all's job y'all got hired to do knowing what'd you be paid hourly. If finding a better job isn't In the books for you then maybe y'all need to sit down and think about yalls life choices, cause if everyone decided to stop going to restaurants or tipping then where does that leave y'all? Without a job cause everyone bitched at everyone and made them run off

I don't have a problem treating the waitstaff fairly, but I take issue with the expectation to pay them separate wages above and beyond what their EMPLOYER is supposed to be paying them.

Thank you thank you

I do not know the employment practices of a restaurant I eat at. And I should not need to. And I am not under any obligation to tip the waitress. If the service is deserving of a tip, and I have money available for a tip then I will. But other than that, no.

Nice dodge, but you do know that in America, waitresses make most of their income from tips.

Because of flawed employment practices and an over reliance on the tipping culture. Which needs to stop.

So you're "revenge" on "flawed employment practices" falls on the victims.

Propping up the tipping culture just drags on the nonsense. Owners and managers will not change the corrupt system whilst people are guilted into supporting it.

Again, though: You're continuing to pay the "owners and managers"; It's the waittresses you're f*****g over.

But they're pay is better than waitstaff minimum. Example here in new jersey minimum starting wage is 13, but if you are waitstaff it is only 5.13. so that's why there is tip culture. Mcds BK Starbucks etc all get the 13. A waiter at somewhere like olive garden gets 5.13

Then those people at olive garden's need to start putting apps into BK and McDs consistent pay is always gonna be better then inconsistent/variable pay

Only for the moment. Why do you think tips have been added to the system. I promise it's NOT for the workers benefit. It's so that 5 to 10 years from now they can be considered wait staff, and get wait staff pay. But they're all for it now, too blind to see. I have family in ceo positions as well as family in store manager positions... some fast food places have yet too see tips on their pay. Yet it's being given. Let that sink in. Also, they don't let store managers claim tips. Why is that? Job protection for higher ups. That's what. People need to think about what they are actually tipping for and who. It's no benefit to the worker in the long-term, I guarantee it.

A good server builds an experience, a McDs employee takes my order. Used to work at a restaurant where you could call in an order. The person working that role clocked in under a higher pay code because the understanding was that they weren't serving, just taking orders.

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Tipping aside, if you only have enough money for your meal you really need to make better priorities for spending and saving. Restaurant food doesn't even taste that good you can make a better meal for 10% of the price at home with a little patience and practice...

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If they covered everything you said you wouldn't be able to afford the meal then. And if you can only afford a few dollars but someone else can afford to be more generous it hopefully evens out. But leaving nothing is a D@ck move

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Of course you feel entitled unironically. You’re entitled to get carry out all you want. If you want service, you have to pay for it. Even if you’re poor, this isn’t a tough concept. Tipping is paying for labor. That’s how words work. It isn’t always literal like you’re taking it.