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Someone Online Asked, ‘What Do People Pretend Is In The Bible But Is Absolutely Not In The Bible?’ And 25 People Delivered
The Bible is known to be one of the most important books that people tend to live by. Its contents teach and inspire people as well as help them to change for the better. Despite it being widely used, studied, and referenced, very often its contents encourage people to discuss various interpretations of matters that are being written about in this collection of religious texts. Having this in mind, Reddit user @LoneShark81 asked people online to share what are the things that people pretend to be in the Bible when, in fact, these things are not there. This question gave a green light to those who have noticed some discrepancies between what is written in the Bible and how people understand these matters. Some of the things that were mentioned by users online include speculations about what Jesus or angels looked like, explanations on how hell really works, and what well-known sayings are not actually taken from the Bible.
Do you know any things that people pretend to be in the Book of Books when in reality it isn’t the truth? Which one of these matters shared by others online do you agree with? Don’t forget to leave your thoughts in the comments down below!
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#1
Jesus being a white skinned, long haired, white boy.
Dude looks like how most black haired Middle Easterns would look like today. He was a Jew from south Israel but every European and American Christian seems to think he looks like a hippie from a middle-class suburb in the 90s.
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#2
israfilled wrote:
That Mary Magdalene was a prostitute. A pope conflated her with Mary of Bethany and an unnamed "sinful woman," because he didn't like the fact that a woman was important to Jesus and wanted to discredit her.
gentlybeepingheart responded:
Mary Magdalene was, according to the Bible, a wealthy woman who chose to support Jesus from her own resources out of gratitude for him driving demons from her. This was problematic to that Pope because it didn't quite fit what women were supposed to be like.
Mary, mother of Jesus, was important because she had been chosen specifically by God to bear Jesus and that was her main role. Mary of Bethany was the one who anointed Jesus' feet with perfume and her hair because of him saving her brother. Mary Magdalene chose to follow and support Jesus of her own free will. Mary Magdalene was successful and was not acting in response to the actions/status of a male guardian. This independence was not what the Pope and that society wanted from women, so they decided she was a prostitute. She followed Jesus instead of getting married and bearing children because nobody would marry a prostitute, not because of her own beliefs.
ShriSha Kamboj 3 years ago
yet again casting women to be lower than men and punishing them for their "crimes"...........and also a controversial opinion......prostitute is not supposed to be an insult....gigolo isn't...
#3
That money is the root of all evil. The correct quote is actually the *love* of money.
#5
“Thou shalt hate the gays. Forget all of thy commandments specifically when dealing with queer folk, and thee will be blessed with a Facebook group.”
Thorfin Wolfsbane 3 years ago
Disciple: "should we love even gay people?" Jesus: "Yes, we should love even those who ask stupid questions"
#6
The_Max_V wrote:
All those people that think they're better than the rest because they openly demonstrate they're SO religious? The Bible literally say to pray and worship In secret.
beththebookgirl responded:
And, if I remember correctly, to do good deeds privately.
giosaraiv replied:
Yup. "But when you give to the needy, do not let your left hand know what your right hand is doing, so that your giving may be in secret. And your Father who sees in secret will reward you." Mathew 6:3-4.
Huddo's sister 3 years ago
Doing good deeds should be in secret, as getting praise from others for them defeats the purpose. Celebrating God can be done in public, but it is often more powerful to worship with one or two people in private than publicly claiming you know the truth. In other words you can have more meaningful impact sharing the word of God through the way you treat others and live your life than being someone who constantly tells people they should be doing x,y,z because that is what God wants. (I don't know if that last part makes sense)
#7
Most stuff about Satan and Hell. He doesn't actually show up that much in the Bible and most stuff about him is taken from other previous cultures like Hades. Most of what people think of Hell is from Dante's Inferno.
#8
RodMunch85 wrote:
The seven deadly sins
Shadrach451 replied:
However, listed in Proverbs 6:16-19 are "Seven Things God Hates" and people should maybe pay some attention to those. These are almost definitely the source of what people later construed into The Seven Deadly Sins.
I should point out that Proverbs is not a book of the law, per say. So, it's not the same as calling these things "sins". But six things "The Lord Hates" and Seven he Detests should not be taken lightly.
Proverbs 6:16
There are six things the Lord hates,
seven that are detestable to him: haughty eyes,
a lying tongue,
hands that shed innocent blood, a heart that devises wicked schemes,
feet that are quick to rush into evil, a false witness who pours out lies
and a person who stirs up conflict in the community.
I feel like these are particularly meaningful in today's world, and Christians especially should be paying attention. There is a strong emphasis on that last item. It's highlighted in the wording. Stirring up conflict in the community is directly in opposition to the nature of God, and that sort of division is deeply embedded in our American culture right now. God hates division.
#9
So many Christian and Non-Christian alike get “goodness” and “worthiness” wrong. People somehow got to thinking that being Christian makes you good and that believing Jesus makes you somehow less fallible or more worthy in some regard. The entire Christian belief is that humans and humanity is so completely corrupted and beyond redemption by themselves that they required Jesus to come to atone for their sins. That doesn’t mean that they’re inherently better once they believe in Jesus nor does it believe they have increased worth amongst humans as a result. Christians should be the ones who recognize that they’re the beyond redemption and need Jesus and should NOT be parading their beliefs as if they’re better than someone who doesn’t believe the same thing. This is entirely contradictory to the entire purpose of Jesus in the Christian lore. Even still, Christians use their beliefs as a prop to hate on Abortion Clinics or for some to even go on “mission trips” to people less fortunate with a seriously effed up attitude that “I’m better than them and they need my service”. I see it all the time. It’s their moment to be better than someone and it sickens me to see people pretend to be better in the name of Christianity.
Imogene Cargeaux 3 years ago
Dude. Thank you. I have been talking about this for yrs . Mostly bcuz I grew up kinda poor n I went to a very good catholic school (my grandma left the Catholic school tuition $ in a trust for us when she died bcuz she was very religious n demanded we learn the ways of the lord) so I had to go to school with all the rich kids. N don't get me wrong I got a very good education but I was treated like a charity case. Ppl would bring me their old clothes, announce it to the class like they were the nicest ppl for doing so, PARENTS DID THIS S**T TOO! N all the other parents/students would be like "omg Karen, you're such a good Catholic.. god is going to reward u for being so compassionate." the biggest problem was that WE WERENT THAT POOR nor did my family EVER ask for a damn thing from ppl. Nor did we announce we weren't wealthy. We just lived in a small house so everyone assumed we needed to be their charity show Pony. It was so disgusting n so embarrassing. Also....
#10
That people become Angels when they die. Nope.
Jacob Ross 3 years ago
Interesting that that meme is starting to take root into how people perceive angels. Actually read the passages in Ezekiel chapter1 to get a better idea. They aren't described as humans with wheels for their heads. Those particular angels have calf's feet, metallic skin, and four faces in their heads. The faces being human, lion, eagle and bull. The wheels are the wheels of the chariot of God, and are next to the angels. This was a vision, and is quite possibly not how the angels would actually look. Angels predate the creation of the earth and its creatures, so this is probably just an illustrative representation. In the interactions that angels actually have with humans in the Bible, the angles are often confused for human. Even when they aren't in disguise as humans, they aren't described as monstrous.
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Daniel Marsh 3 years ago
Angels often had human form. The scarier heavenly beings, angels in the broader sense, are seraphim, cherubim, and ophanium.
ZAPanda 3 years ago
This is a discussion of popular culture. Few people here actually believe any of this stuff.
Scagsy 3 years ago
Biblical angels don't look anything like that either. They are actually quite scary in appearance. Saw it on the internet so it must be true.
Jef Bateman 3 years ago
In the gospel of Matthew, Jesus does say, "At the resurrection people will neither marry nor be given in marriage; they will be as the angels in heaven." So I guess there are different interpretations of what it means by, "as the angels." Also, there are definitely biblical angels who look horrifying, but at least according to Paul, there are some who look just like people: "Do not forget to show love to strangers, for many have entertained angels without being aware of it" (Hebrews 13:2).
ZAPanda 3 years ago (edited)
Yep, there's also the incident in Genesis 19:8 when the angels come to stay over and the crowd of men want to rape them. Clearly if they looked like burning wheels of fire or whatever Ezekiel 1:1-28 says, they'd not be interesting to the crowd as potential objects of rapine. Unless of course that happened to be a crowd with a burning-wheel-of-fire fetish.
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Rysavy Weisz 3 years ago
Angels be like D: -cringe!- "that is not the 'Love' we are supposed to see! Get the flamethowers!!"
Rysavy Weisz 3 years ago
The disconnect at home versus theology classes as nun acolyte (didnt do it in end) had always had me confused about Saints and deceased loved ones "watching over" or "meeting later". To be as an angel is to be content and unknowing except while singing praises of God for pepetuity. Like um, no time to chit chat should you somehow Know the fellow entity was connected to your former life.
smugdruggler 3 years ago
Angel comes from the Greek word for a messenger. As such, the word doesn't always mean the same thing when it's used in various biblical texts.
Gregg Long 3 years ago
This bs about god gaining another angel has been posted so many times on facebook when one of the unvaxed dying of covid on the HermanCainAward on reddit.
Kines Tezja 3 years ago
According to Vladimir Propp, "popcultural" angels are probably a relic of old pagan beliefs that a soul of a dead person kind of turns into a bird and flies to the land of the dead.
Mary Jaye 3 years ago
who knows. Imho it will be all different. we only know what we experience and our experiences are limited to the senses we have and the brain we have.
ZAPanda 3 years ago
Well, those senses and brains have done pretty well if you consider things like computers, cellphones, satellites, spacecraft, aircraft, etc. Significantly impressive. We can see billions of years into the past with our telescopes. So I think when scientists say this is mythology, they might be right. "A 1998 survey based on a self-selected sample of biological and physical scientists of the National Academy of Sciences in the United States found that 7% believed in the existence of God, 72.2% did not, and 20.8% were agnostic or had doubts." - wikipedia.
Rikke Visby Wickberg 3 years ago
There is a reason angel's start out by saying, do not be afraid!
Ashley Coe 3 years ago
"Angels" are merely messengers in the bible, they are not magical beings. Mercury had wings, he was a messenger. Its allegorical. Not magical beings. Messengers, thats it.
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Mary Peace 3 years ago
Angels are messengers. Everyone is very keen to quote from Revelation, but in the Gospels, angels usually came to give someone a message like, "Get up and come quickly", or that they were being given a certain job, the supreme example being the Virgin Mary would give birth to the Son of God.
Indra Servo 3 years ago
Only doing what they programmed, incomprehinsible to most people, nearly emotionless....angel is closer to advanced AI than human
christie lowe 3 years ago
Yes, people get angels confused with cherubs. Angels are huge and terrifying
Robert Robi Z 3 years ago
Thank you! It is sickening when people call their dead, especially children, angels. That being said, angels are in no way cute little chubby babies fluttering around with their naked butts and bows and arrows. Angels are in fact terrifying and dangerous creatures.
Jacob Nunez 3 years ago
Whoa whoa whoa there bucko, angles have thousands of eyes literally covering thier entire “body” sooooooo no i sure hope not
Chloe *Leah* Pheonix 3 years ago
And angels do in no way look like humans. They say "do not be afraid" for a reason lol
Deson 3 years ago
Concerning Angel statues. Especially children as Angels. I was in a gift shop a number of years ago and observed a lady ooohing and aweing over a statue showing a number of children with wings and lambs on a hill. I couldn't resist. I looked at her and said "You know that in order to become an Angel you have to be dead right?" (I paused and let that sink in) "You realize that you are ooohing and aweing over Graven images of Dead Children right?" I then quickly left.
Kim Shannon 3 years ago
I always heard that angels are corporeal beings-that they were never human.
Allan Breum 3 years ago
Biblical angels are so weird and F'ed up looking that they'd make Cthulhu crap himself.
#11
That Satan is in any way in charge of torture in hell.
𝖊𝖆 3 years ago
The word hell in Hebrew didn’t exist, Sheol translates best as grave. It was a place for the dead. “ the dead know nothing at all… all memory of them is forgotten” Ecc 9:5. In the Greek scriptures the term ‘fiery Gehenna’ is used. Gehenna was a literal place outside the gates of Jerusalem where refuse was burned, as well as the carcasses of animals that had been used in sacrifice or ones that were diseased etc. Everyone was familiar with it. On occasion, criminals were given the severest punishment by having their bodies burned there too, AFTER their death. This was severe as Jews carried a lot of significance with burials. It represented they were destroyed, eternally, and likened to refuse. Whenever the Greek scriptures refer to someone going to fiery Gehenna, it represented this shameful cremation after death. It never had any meaning whatsoever to torture, being burned alive, or their soul being held in an afterlife.
#12
Kind of a reverse of the question, but a lot of people pretend that "taking the Lord's name in vain" isn't about using other people's faith against them in order to acquire ridiculous wealth, privilege, and power. God most certainly does not approve of people like Joel Osteen and Kenneth Copeland and any of the other mega millionaire preachers but tons of Christians ignore it because it's "spreading Christianity".
#14
CaesarWrap said:
That god wants your sports team to win.
PokemonMaster619 responded:
Leviticus 15:22. “And the Lord said, “Go, Lions!”
Two_rolling_black_eyes 3 years ago
The book of Daniel shows God is not a Lions fan. He does seem to like Rams though.
#15
The levels of hell. Dante wrote about his journey through hell. The levels are not biblical.
#16
God helps those who help themselves, that actually comes from the Greek myths, Aesop’s fable "Hercules and the Waggoner." where a guy was having trouble with a muddy road and was praying Hercules for help, Hercules appeared and told him how to help himself, the moral being thee gods help those who help themselves.
#17
"Neither a borrower nor a lender be"
I have had a minister 'quote' that to me as a Bible quote.
It's from Hamlet.
Edit: Lots of comments about the bible having stuff like this. Yes I know but a quote is a quote and from a christian professional you would at least expect an accurate quote from the bible but this is as wrong as quoting Hamlet and saying "Alas Poor Yorik, I knew him well"
Hugh Willie Mungous 3 years ago
The English language is liberally sprinkled with words invented by Shakespeare and with many of his pithy writings that have become our sayings.
#19
The vegan teacher says that being vegan is being closer to God because he doesn't want animals to die even though God was the first one to murk an animal
#20
My brother has a friend that will argue with you that Jesus said in the Bible "Do as I say, not as I do".
#21
el_muerte17 wrote:
"This, too, shall pass" isn't in the Bible at all.
meowtiger replied:
for clarity: it most likely originated from one of three noted 11th-13th century persian poets
#22
Half the s**t Shakespeare said.
#23
That Noah took two of each animal into the Ark.
He took 14: 7 male and 7 female of clean creatures and only a pair of unclean animals.
Gen 7:2 Of every clean beast thou shalt take to thee by sevens, the male and his female: and of beasts that are not clean by two, the male and his female.
Give that he sacrificed one of each of the clean animals that would be quite a facepalm if he only had a pair.
Gen 8:20 And Noah builded an altar unto the Lord; and took of every clean beast, and of every clean fowl, and offered burnt offerings on the altar.
#24
That angels are humans with wings. They're not. As far as I remember there are some depictions of them in the Revelation but not in much detail (I'm pretty sure that the four animals next to the throne aren't angels, but I may be wrong on that).
Zedrapazia 3 years ago
The biblical angel is some circling Sauron with many eyes, rings and wings.
#25
Pythia007 said:
That Jesus said anything about children suffering. “Suffer the children to come unto me” means to allow them.
mcoombes314 responded:
Yeah, the word "suffer" is a weird one where the meaning has changed so much that it doesn't make sense in modern English. Same goes with "thou shalt not suffer a witch to live".
Thorfin Wolfsbane 3 years ago
I would be willing to bet that Jesus never ever said the words 'suffer' or 'children'. Pretty sure he spoke Aramaic.
What do you think ?
Helen Haley 3 years ago
Believe what you want. Discuss what is and is not in the religious text of your choice. So long as your beliefs don't become laws I have to live by.
Lovin' Life 3 years ago (edited)
I am a Christian, but we are all free to believe and worship as we wish. I try to do things to live a Christian life but never try to suffocate or push my beliefs on anyone. I just read my Bible and do good things, not for recognition, and live the way I feel I am supposed to live in accordance with God's word. Your religion is as important to you as mine is to me. I respect you all. Therefore I have made no comment in this post but it was a good read. Hugs and love to all.❤
just another drone 3 years ago
The problem is what you think are "good things" are not always good things. Plenty of Christians think they're doing good when they force gay kids into conversion therapy, or think they're doing good when they protest abortions. Religion is the main source of evil in this world.
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Stephanie Keith 3 years ago
What you're speaking of is not a good Christian. Those of us that are do not behave the way you are describing. It is people that twist the words of God to their will. Make no mistake about it. Doing any evil is not what God or his people do. Unfortunately the good ones get lumped in with the bad.
Summer Mason 3 years ago
Exactly. I'm Christian myself and couldn't ever think of being like what I've seen others be. Just cause there are bad apples doesn't mean we are all bad. I stopped going to church because they gay bashed. I have alot of lbgtq (I'm not sure if I'm getting that right anymore) friends and family. And I could never hate them cause my church told me to.
Squiddles 3 years ago
Speaking of junk that’s not in the Bible…abortion is a biggie where you gotta really twist it to make it seem like it’s mentioned at all.
HarperTheCentaur (they/them) 3 years ago
The only part of the abortion debate that really matters is whether a fetus is a person. All the stuff about bodily autonomy is secondary; a murderer can't say he has the right to kill because of bodily autonomy. Different people have different beliefs about the personhood of a fetus, I'm personally still on the fence, but when you have the perspective that it IS a person, it's as simple as "murder is bad". It's really not an unreasonable mindset and there are definitely bible passages implying that unborn babies are people.
jpaul 3 years ago
i'm sorry but to me the basic right to do what you want with your own body comes first. You can't force a woman to carry a child, the same way you can't force her to keep a child after birth. I remember an edifying video once. an anti abortion woman was annoying another woman trying to convince her to keep the child. the carrier finally kept the baby. Then she realized she couldn't do it, and put the child to adoption. A guy came out, and asked the first woman to adopt the child. The woman literally went mad. and she didn't adpt the baby of course
Just saying 3 years ago
You are aware of course that the biggest genocides and wars in the 20C were caused by Fascism and Communism?
Colin Leamon 3 years ago
Well said. I just made one comment (degrees of hell - but some will suffer more than others)
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago (edited)
I saw one of your comments on one of the posts above about Job and Satan. “ And Job never lost his patience and his faith and love for God remained intact.” What an odd thing to lie about.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Whatever religious text you believe, take it with a grain of salt. The words you read aren't the words of God. They are the interpretation of what someone long ago thought was a gods will, and those words have been filtered through time and the minds of people, who we know are very capable of being corrupted. How many things have been changed, added or removed to benefit someone or some group? And no one would know because much of the population was illiterate Only the rulers and the clergy would know when there was a change here or there...
Daria B 3 years ago (edited)
"Whatever religious text you believe, take it with a grain of salt." I second that. But this goes beyond religion. Everything you hear, even when presented as "fact", has to be taken with a grain of salt. Never stop questioning, comparing, hearing more sides of the same story and from different points of view. Even "scientifically approved" information can become obsolete with new discoveries.
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ERIKA H. 3 years ago
Absolutely true. It's why i describe myself as spiritual but not religious. I personally believe in a higher entity, but I don't believe in religion.
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
That’s good but I think most people who say this are fully influenced by religion to have a god / higher power belief. If religions hadn’t presented it to you, you probably wouldn’t have just made up a higher power on your own.
Om 3 years ago (edited)
that's my main issue with the bible. After so many edits it had, not to mention everything that was lost between translations, it's hard to trust what it says. Even if we all knew the original language it was written with, and had the unedited texts, we couldn't know for sure what the authors meant almost 2000 years ago, because we're not living in that place and time. And even if we did know what they meant, we still don't know if they were just making up everything lol In the end, people is blindly trusting stuff made/written by humans, like any of us. No different than worshipping that Dante's Inferno this post talked so much about.
Brandy Grote 3 years ago
That women should stay home. Proverbs praises a good woman who works in her fields, then goes into town and sells her goods, and talks to people, who praise her to her husband.
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
Doesn’t it also say that women can’t lead in church and shouldn’t speak in church?
Lilith the Demon Panda 3 years ago
but to be fair - bible and christian mythology are just modifications of much older religions, much older mythologies... it doesnt matter what bible says because it was already twisted from the original story... so what, someone made up a myth, a story that became a legend, it evolved over the centuries and at some point someone wrote it down... but it kept evolving and now our mythology is also different from what was written down... someone changed things on purpose to fit their agenda, some got lost in translations or during the retelling the stories from generation to generation... but all that already happened with the bible too
Sean Harrison 3 years ago
My experiences with people that have religion have taught me that the more religious the person professes to be, the less they know about their own religion.
GoddessOdd 3 years ago
I've always thought you could sum up almost every religion with just a few basic tenets. Be loving and kind, be charitable, be helpful, strive to be better than you are. I am no religious scholar by any means, but when I read comparative religions decades ago, I was struck by the many similarities.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Boom...I really think you hit the nail on the head right here. I think alot of those basic things you mentioned should be what we take from religions, and I mean all of them.Sum it all up with "Be cool to each other, help each other, don't be an ass, try to be a better person..."All the weird nit picky rules and laws are someone trying to push and agenda or something.
Sasquatch The Almighty 3 years ago
Those who think the Bible condems tattoos. It never mentions tattoos, once. In Leviticus, it says "don't cut cross-hatching marks into your flesh in remembrance of the dead". That's it.
Jo Choto 3 years ago
It's very hard to pinpoint details in a series of documents written over centuries, that have been translated by random people hundreds of times, and completely adulterated by men in the Catholic church, with half of the fantasy books being removed from the bible, now known as the apocrypha. Religion is lunacy, and that's not a problem if you don't mandate it for others.
ZAPanda 3 years ago
I think the general consensus is the King James kinda sucks so I'm going to recommend finding the originals and re-doing the translation.
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Tiffany Wilson 3 years ago
Literally because I believe that King James was openly gay. I know, I'll see myself out.
Kevin J. Henning 3 years ago
Some people will believe anything they are told because they don't take the time to verify their information. This applies to the bible, history, science and about 70% of the information on the internet.
Kevin J. Henning 3 years ago
The worst enemy of the Christian faith is not atheists, agnostics, or other faiths. In my experience the most damage to Christianity is done by ignorant, intolerent, bigoted "christians."
Stannous Flouride 3 years ago
This whole post and its comments shows one of the best things about BP- its members. Though there were believers and atheists there was no name-calling (that I saw anyway). It also showed the wide and very diverse audience, with people from all over the world. When a person from Sweden apologizes (in better English than that spoken by many of my fellow Americans) for his grammar on a site started and run by Lithuanians and is complimented for it by people who, like me, "som inte pratar svenska," (thanks Google) it demonstrates what a global community this place is.
Lioness Nature 3 years ago
When White American patriotic conservatives say "it's their God given right in this country to do X,Y, and Z, republicans use this as a campaign tool all the time. No it is NOT, he did not agree to that bullsh**. He did not give you a right to do or say any of the sh** you're doing and or saying.
Brian Bennett 3 years ago
As in all writings isn't the Bible a matter of interpretation - some Christians interpret portions of the Bible differently Catholics are different from Protestants Jews interpret it another way and so on. This book has been translated into all languages - something could be lost or gained in the translation and over the many years the Bible has existed - has anyone added or subtracted to these translations I think this is a great possibility.
Marnie 3 years ago
This type of article really should only be here if it was written by knowledgeable people and with provided sources. Too many people post things online with all the confidence in the world, just because they read it on some meme somewhere. Therefore, I can't trust any of this and therefore it's useless to me. But I'm very interested!
Oskar vanZandt 3 years ago (edited)
"Live your own truth and I will live mine." I think living according to the most important notions[IMHO] of "Primum non nocere" (transl. "First, do no harm")-usually associated with the field of medicine- and "treat others the way you want to be treated" would resolve most problems human beings create on this planet...
jpaul 3 years ago
i love all the most think; they all think. that stigmatization of christians is really bad. bigotry exists, but this is not the majority. the Bible is a translation, and an interpretation made by the reader. this is why this should be kept into the private sphere. and this is why secularism is so important here where i live. if you want a good translation of the Bible i suggest the Chouraki Bible. this is probably the most accurate translation to date. Also it's not the first time i see it. but often people speaking of religion have a pretty mind blowing ignorance of the subject they're talking about
Elmie Pumpkinbush 3 years ago
WHY is the bible written in such a weird archaic language? It is a TRANSLATION, and given the number of believers surely they can maintain some sort of a readable modern version?
Helen Haley 3 years ago
Believe what you want. Discuss what is and is not in the religious text of your choice. So long as your beliefs don't become laws I have to live by.
Lovin' Life 3 years ago (edited)
I am a Christian, but we are all free to believe and worship as we wish. I try to do things to live a Christian life but never try to suffocate or push my beliefs on anyone. I just read my Bible and do good things, not for recognition, and live the way I feel I am supposed to live in accordance with God's word. Your religion is as important to you as mine is to me. I respect you all. Therefore I have made no comment in this post but it was a good read. Hugs and love to all.❤
just another drone 3 years ago
The problem is what you think are "good things" are not always good things. Plenty of Christians think they're doing good when they force gay kids into conversion therapy, or think they're doing good when they protest abortions. Religion is the main source of evil in this world.
Load More Replies... Stephanie Keith 3 years ago
What you're speaking of is not a good Christian. Those of us that are do not behave the way you are describing. It is people that twist the words of God to their will. Make no mistake about it. Doing any evil is not what God or his people do. Unfortunately the good ones get lumped in with the bad.
Summer Mason 3 years ago
Exactly. I'm Christian myself and couldn't ever think of being like what I've seen others be. Just cause there are bad apples doesn't mean we are all bad. I stopped going to church because they gay bashed. I have alot of lbgtq (I'm not sure if I'm getting that right anymore) friends and family. And I could never hate them cause my church told me to.
Squiddles 3 years ago
Speaking of junk that’s not in the Bible…abortion is a biggie where you gotta really twist it to make it seem like it’s mentioned at all.
HarperTheCentaur (they/them) 3 years ago
The only part of the abortion debate that really matters is whether a fetus is a person. All the stuff about bodily autonomy is secondary; a murderer can't say he has the right to kill because of bodily autonomy. Different people have different beliefs about the personhood of a fetus, I'm personally still on the fence, but when you have the perspective that it IS a person, it's as simple as "murder is bad". It's really not an unreasonable mindset and there are definitely bible passages implying that unborn babies are people.
jpaul 3 years ago
i'm sorry but to me the basic right to do what you want with your own body comes first. You can't force a woman to carry a child, the same way you can't force her to keep a child after birth. I remember an edifying video once. an anti abortion woman was annoying another woman trying to convince her to keep the child. the carrier finally kept the baby. Then she realized she couldn't do it, and put the child to adoption. A guy came out, and asked the first woman to adopt the child. The woman literally went mad. and she didn't adpt the baby of course
Just saying 3 years ago
You are aware of course that the biggest genocides and wars in the 20C were caused by Fascism and Communism?
Colin Leamon 3 years ago
Well said. I just made one comment (degrees of hell - but some will suffer more than others)
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago (edited)
I saw one of your comments on one of the posts above about Job and Satan. “ And Job never lost his patience and his faith and love for God remained intact.” What an odd thing to lie about.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Whatever religious text you believe, take it with a grain of salt. The words you read aren't the words of God. They are the interpretation of what someone long ago thought was a gods will, and those words have been filtered through time and the minds of people, who we know are very capable of being corrupted. How many things have been changed, added or removed to benefit someone or some group? And no one would know because much of the population was illiterate Only the rulers and the clergy would know when there was a change here or there...
Daria B 3 years ago (edited)
"Whatever religious text you believe, take it with a grain of salt." I second that. But this goes beyond religion. Everything you hear, even when presented as "fact", has to be taken with a grain of salt. Never stop questioning, comparing, hearing more sides of the same story and from different points of view. Even "scientifically approved" information can become obsolete with new discoveries.
Load More Replies... ERIKA H. 3 years ago
Absolutely true. It's why i describe myself as spiritual but not religious. I personally believe in a higher entity, but I don't believe in religion.
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
That’s good but I think most people who say this are fully influenced by religion to have a god / higher power belief. If religions hadn’t presented it to you, you probably wouldn’t have just made up a higher power on your own.
Om 3 years ago (edited)
that's my main issue with the bible. After so many edits it had, not to mention everything that was lost between translations, it's hard to trust what it says. Even if we all knew the original language it was written with, and had the unedited texts, we couldn't know for sure what the authors meant almost 2000 years ago, because we're not living in that place and time. And even if we did know what they meant, we still don't know if they were just making up everything lol In the end, people is blindly trusting stuff made/written by humans, like any of us. No different than worshipping that Dante's Inferno this post talked so much about.
Brandy Grote 3 years ago
That women should stay home. Proverbs praises a good woman who works in her fields, then goes into town and sells her goods, and talks to people, who praise her to her husband.
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
Doesn’t it also say that women can’t lead in church and shouldn’t speak in church?
Lilith the Demon Panda 3 years ago
but to be fair - bible and christian mythology are just modifications of much older religions, much older mythologies... it doesnt matter what bible says because it was already twisted from the original story... so what, someone made up a myth, a story that became a legend, it evolved over the centuries and at some point someone wrote it down... but it kept evolving and now our mythology is also different from what was written down... someone changed things on purpose to fit their agenda, some got lost in translations or during the retelling the stories from generation to generation... but all that already happened with the bible too
Sean Harrison 3 years ago
My experiences with people that have religion have taught me that the more religious the person professes to be, the less they know about their own religion.
GoddessOdd 3 years ago
I've always thought you could sum up almost every religion with just a few basic tenets. Be loving and kind, be charitable, be helpful, strive to be better than you are. I am no religious scholar by any means, but when I read comparative religions decades ago, I was struck by the many similarities.
Chucky Cheezburger 3 years ago
Boom...I really think you hit the nail on the head right here. I think alot of those basic things you mentioned should be what we take from religions, and I mean all of them.Sum it all up with "Be cool to each other, help each other, don't be an ass, try to be a better person..."All the weird nit picky rules and laws are someone trying to push and agenda or something.
Sasquatch The Almighty 3 years ago
Those who think the Bible condems tattoos. It never mentions tattoos, once. In Leviticus, it says "don't cut cross-hatching marks into your flesh in remembrance of the dead". That's it.
Jo Choto 3 years ago
It's very hard to pinpoint details in a series of documents written over centuries, that have been translated by random people hundreds of times, and completely adulterated by men in the Catholic church, with half of the fantasy books being removed from the bible, now known as the apocrypha. Religion is lunacy, and that's not a problem if you don't mandate it for others.
ZAPanda 3 years ago
I think the general consensus is the King James kinda sucks so I'm going to recommend finding the originals and re-doing the translation.
Load More Replies... Tiffany Wilson 3 years ago
Literally because I believe that King James was openly gay. I know, I'll see myself out.
Kevin J. Henning 3 years ago
Some people will believe anything they are told because they don't take the time to verify their information. This applies to the bible, history, science and about 70% of the information on the internet.
Kevin J. Henning 3 years ago
The worst enemy of the Christian faith is not atheists, agnostics, or other faiths. In my experience the most damage to Christianity is done by ignorant, intolerent, bigoted "christians."
Stannous Flouride 3 years ago
This whole post and its comments shows one of the best things about BP- its members. Though there were believers and atheists there was no name-calling (that I saw anyway). It also showed the wide and very diverse audience, with people from all over the world. When a person from Sweden apologizes (in better English than that spoken by many of my fellow Americans) for his grammar on a site started and run by Lithuanians and is complimented for it by people who, like me, "som inte pratar svenska," (thanks Google) it demonstrates what a global community this place is.
Lioness Nature 3 years ago
When White American patriotic conservatives say "it's their God given right in this country to do X,Y, and Z, republicans use this as a campaign tool all the time. No it is NOT, he did not agree to that bullsh**. He did not give you a right to do or say any of the sh** you're doing and or saying.
Brian Bennett 3 years ago
As in all writings isn't the Bible a matter of interpretation - some Christians interpret portions of the Bible differently Catholics are different from Protestants Jews interpret it another way and so on. This book has been translated into all languages - something could be lost or gained in the translation and over the many years the Bible has existed - has anyone added or subtracted to these translations I think this is a great possibility.
Marnie 3 years ago
This type of article really should only be here if it was written by knowledgeable people and with provided sources. Too many people post things online with all the confidence in the world, just because they read it on some meme somewhere. Therefore, I can't trust any of this and therefore it's useless to me. But I'm very interested!
Oskar vanZandt 3 years ago (edited)
"Live your own truth and I will live mine." I think living according to the most important notions[IMHO] of "Primum non nocere" (transl. "First, do no harm")-usually associated with the field of medicine- and "treat others the way you want to be treated" would resolve most problems human beings create on this planet...
jpaul 3 years ago
i love all the most think; they all think. that stigmatization of christians is really bad. bigotry exists, but this is not the majority. the Bible is a translation, and an interpretation made by the reader. this is why this should be kept into the private sphere. and this is why secularism is so important here where i live. if you want a good translation of the Bible i suggest the Chouraki Bible. this is probably the most accurate translation to date. Also it's not the first time i see it. but often people speaking of religion have a pretty mind blowing ignorance of the subject they're talking about
Elmie Pumpkinbush 3 years ago
WHY is the bible written in such a weird archaic language? It is a TRANSLATION, and given the number of believers surely they can maintain some sort of a readable modern version?
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