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The first thing I’ll do after quarantine and this pandemic mess is go to a restaurant. I want to see how it feels to be welcomed, seated, asked ‘what would you like to order?’, be showered with ‘excellent choice,’ poured a glass of Chardonnay, and make up my mind what to get for dessert.

Most importantly, it’s the opportunity to be smiled at and smiled to, joyfully and with ease, like nothing else exists in this world except that restaurant, the food, your companion… and the server.

But this is where it gets tricky. In such a lovely environment like a restaurant, servers still have to deal, time to time, with a fair share of serial a-holes. And it’s not a-holes per se that annoy the heck of them, it’s their a-hole behaviors that refuse to abide by unwritten rules.

For those who’re wondering what the unwritten rules actually are, I’d say it’s half common sense, half being polite, patient, and understanding. But let’s hear from the servers themselves who shared honest responses to the “What unwritten rules do restaurant servers wish patrons would abide by?” question posted on Quora.

#1

Crying Children And Adults Who Ignore It

Crying Children And Adults Who Ignore It When children cry and cry and cry and cry in a restaurant, other people find it annoying. Please, take your child outside for a moment to calm him down.

Edith Deween Report

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Hans
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Many people think of this as "that spoiled brat", but it usually are the adults to condemn and the children to pity.

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#2

Snapping Your Fingers At Servers

Snapping Your Fingers At Servers Don’t ever snap your fingers at a server, bartender, anyone. Ever.

Sofia Korkala , Kate Townsend Report

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was at a restaurant in Munich with maybe 10 friends and friends of friends. One of the friends of friends drank a little too much of the strong Munich beer before dinner and started snapping her fingers at the server. We were mortified and apologized to him. He was gracious and laughed at off. A few minutes later, he asked her what she wanted to eat. When she didn't look up, he snapped his fingers at her. She got mad. We all thought it was hilarious.

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#3

Flirting

Flirting Don’t hit on waitresses. Don’t touch waitresses. I’ve cooked in bars where my job included removing such people from the establishment with force.

Sara Thorn , Boganm9p Report

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also, don't assume that a server smiling at you and being nice to you means they like you. Being. Nice. Is. Their. Job.

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#4

Touching Their Servers

Touching Their Servers When people touch their server. I'm not to be touched. I don't like it, and I'm not your pet. I'm not your buddy, baby, friend, or lover.

Mike DiGirolamo , Tim Ford Report

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Linda van der Pal
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The reverse is also true: waiters please don't touch your clients! (Much, much more rare, I know, but it happened to me once. It was just my lower arm, so no sexual intentions, but still not appreciated.)

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#5

Coming In Minutes Before Closing

Coming In Minutes Before Closing If Google says that the restaurant closes at 11, the right time to order is not three minutes before closing.

The staff are not people willing to work every single day overtime like they had no lives of their own.

They are people with loved ones and hobbies as well.

Sofia Korkala , Tim Mossholder Report

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the Netherlands you can order all you like, but when the kitchen is closed, the kitchen is closed.

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#6

Being Impolite

Being Impolite Please, get off your cellphone when I’m taking your order

Edith Deween , 7shifts Report

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen servers just walking away if the customer was phoning and ordering at the same time. I'd always tip these servers extra.

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#7

When People Go And Sit At A Dirty Table

When People Go And Sit At A Dirty Table PLEASE DO NOT HELP YOURSELF TO A SEAT AT A DIRTY TABLE.

First of all, it’s gross. Why would you sit yourself down in someone else’s mess?

Second of all, if it’s not clean, we aren’t ready for you at that table yet. Now someone has to awkwardly bus the table and wipe it down while your impatient ass just sits there being all in-the-way.

Natalie Knowles , Kent Wang Report

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로희
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does this happen frequently in most countries? Because in the two countries I live in, customers usually wait at the restaurant's entrance until a server attend to them. Except for fast food restaurants, but usually all the tables are not dirty because customers normally clean after themselves.

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#8

Ordering Something That's Not On The Menu

Ordering Something That's Not On The Menu Do not order anything that isn’t on the menu. I’ve run into so many situations where customers want to make up their own dish that isn’t on the menu (ordering fish and chips at an Italian restaurant). Perhaps it’s because they don’t know how to read, and therefore can’t understand anything the menu says. That menu is there for a reason. Read it. This is not a private chef service

Maxwell Arnold , Amanda Vick Report

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Hans
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A good restaurant will have waiters who are able to explain the menu, and they will be able to advise in case a customers has certain allergies or disliked. Simply ordering something that is not on the menu is rude, **asking** for something that is not on the menu is just fine in my opinion. Asking for example whether a certain ingredient you do not find in any other dish is available should just be fine – an example would be particularly hot peppers in a place that does not regularly have so spicy dishes. If asked politely, you will just get a polite answer, sometimes even met with gratitude for real interest in what the place can offer.

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#9

Acting Like You Own The Place

Acting Like You Own The Place This restaurant is not your house. You’re a paying customer. We get that, and we respect that. But do not forget that you are a guest. In addition, you are not the only guest. There are other people here too. So when you request that we turn down the music, turn up the lights, or adjust the heat/air conditioning, you should know that we may not be able to make this accommodation, even if you ask nicely. If you go on to demand such accommodations, you’re not only disrespecting us (because you’re essentially treating the restaurant like your house, and us like servants who run it for you), you’re also disrespecting the other guests (because they may not desire the same accommodations that you desire). This is not your house, and this is a space that you’re sharing with other people - and if you’re the only one asking for something to be changed, we’re unlikely to do it if it will affect other guests.

Maxwell Arnold , Syed Ahmad Report

#10

Helping Without Being Asked To

Helping Without Being Asked To I hated when customers tried to help me. Don't get me wrong. I appreciated the sentiment, but when a customer took things from my tray or grabbed things from my hand it became dangerous.

Sheila Blohm , Jay Wennington Report

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Mrs_ Possum
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yup, this. I worked in a restaurant for a bit, some years back, and people grabbing things off the tray can really unbalance a heavy tray. If the server removes things from the tray themselves, they can adjust their own balance, but not when people just randomly take things while you're trying to set it down, etc. Especially with lots of drinks. I once had someone plunge their hand into a load of drinks on a tray to get to their one, and they nearly knocked over all the others.

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#11

Not Understanding When The Bar Is Full

Not Understanding When The Bar Is Full Understand that when the bar is full, the bar is full. No, I'm not going to go and 'see if anyone's done' at the bar so you can squeeze in for free corn chips at happy hour. I've politely told you you're more than welcome to stand at the bar, but all the seats are taken. And for the love of god, don't try to take other customers' seats while they're in the bathroom.

Kyle Redman , Alexander Popov Report

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Iron Eddy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Taking others seats while they're in the bathroom?? What.the.fu*k?!?!?!???!?!?!?

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#12

Being Glued To The Phone

Being Glued To The Phone Please do not be glued to your phone, especially if you're in a large party. I work in a tapas restaurant, which means everyone orders small plates to share. We recently had a table of ten do this, ignoring runners and servers that were bringing their food, causing the food to be returned or eaten by different table members, and so the person who ordered the food would finally look up from their phone and start complaining that they never received the food they ordered. Of course, the other table members neglected to tell them they had received it and eaten it. Why? Because THEY were now on their phones. They nearly made a server cry with rude comments about her intelligence and figure (“that skinny bitch probably ate them, she needs to put on weight before her hips cut me”) is just one thing I heard. It's worth mentioning that these were all morbidly obese people.

Kyle Redman , Isaac Matthew Report

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80 Van
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That sounds less like a “don’t be on your phone” issue and more of a “treat your servers with basic human dignity” issue. Pulling out your phone should not be a problem to the server as long as you know how to be kind to others and not be a jerk to your server.

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#13

Not Considering The Hard Work In The Kitchen

Not Considering The Hard Work In The Kitchen Allergies. If the truth is you don't like a food, then just say that. Say you don’t like bell pepper. The amount of work that happens in the kitchen is hardly ever seen in the dining room. Respect the staff by not adding to that amount of work if it’s not necessary.

Sofia Korkala , Tim Meyer Report

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James016
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes I ask for ingredients to be taken out, gherkins in burgers for example. If they can't do it because the food has been prepped already, I'll just order something else.

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#14

Clients Who Can't Manage Their Time

Clients Who Can't Manage Their Time Don’t order a well-done steak if your movie starts in 15 minutes.

Edith Deween , Thanti Nguyen Report

#15

Being Overly Picky And Making It More Difficult For The Staff

Being Overly Picky And Making It More Difficult For The Staff The menu is not a canvas for your wildest imagination, unfortunately. I have come across customers who ask what ingredients do we have, and start building their own portion based on them.
I know the struggle of being a hard customer and not being able to take whatever from the menu due to dangerous allergies, but don’t be picky in vain. The staff is usually crowded with special orders anyway.

Sofia Korkala , Sunrise Photos Report

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Dilly Millandry
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Check with the restaurant first perhaps with what they can and cannot do. Leaving out an ingredient isn't always that much of a problem. Let's face it though, if it has a menu where you can't find anything you like or can eat then pick somewhere else.

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#16

Disrespectful Behavior

Disrespectful Behavior Do not address us as “waiter”/“waitress”, or snap your fingers at us.
This is basic human respect. I will openly ignore such requests for my attention, and you’ll be waiting a while for me to come back.

Maxwell Arnold , Jessie McCall Report

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Winx
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What are we supposed to call them then? It's not like we know their names. When I worked in food service people would call me "honey" and I found that more disrespectful than being called "waitress". At least waitress is the proper title.

Whatshername
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Waited plenty of tables in The Netherlands. No feelings were ever hurt when I was called waiter. Or actually the Dutch "ober". There's no feminine version of the word, and I am a woman. I must ad this was in a nice restaurant, not a super super fancy one. And there's rarely an occasion when the use of any word is necessary to draw the attention of the waiter/waitress. A simple raised hand/nod or any gesture (except the finger 😉) usually will do.

Boopie Dew
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't mind people calling me waitress. I'd prefer that than strangers knowing my name tbh. I think a lot of it is intent. If I knew someone was sincerely trying to get my attention and not just being rude, that was different. Its in the tone . Just be nice. Its not hard.

David Retsler
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been told to NOT call them by their name as that's "condescending" and now I can't address them "waiter" for the same reason. I usually use "sir" or "ma'am" and have been rebuked for that as well. So, how in the f**k do I address them?

Colin Mochrie At Its Finest
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who says you can't call them by their names? At least where I go they introduce their names when they meet. I never recall but still. I do childcare and I am ALWAYS called "teacher". So I joke back "student". I then say "teacher is my job, not my name."

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Lisa Shelton
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sometimes just saying miss or sir isn't enough though, especially when it's busy. I've tried to get someone's attention like that in vain only to be ignored 4-5 times. In that case I will resort to waiter because that way everyone knows who I am trying to talk to.

AlmightyOne
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Personally, if I don't know their names, I use ma'am or sir to address them or simply ask.

CatWoman312
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If we don’t know your name how should we call you? Hey lady? You there? Hey fellow human?

Marilyn Helling
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've had customers throw things at me when I'm taking other orders just because they think their the only important ones in the place. Somehow they are the last to be helped or they leave which does not bother me one little iota

Giles McArdell
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Okay I guess it might sound a bit rude. What then is acceptable? "Excuse me", "ahem", hand waving? In the UK I think we always start with "Sorry..." but that's pretty much for everything, not just restaurants.

lara
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

W#ell, what are you supposed to call them? Madam? Your highness? Master? Hey you? or should we just grovel. I am not going to say "hey" or snap my fingers, but what am I supposed to call a waitress or waiter? I can say that I will NEVER go back if I have a waiter or waitress get pissy because I addressed her as waitress.

Lucas
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because they were polite it doesn't mean they liked it. Personally, I have never had problems with just judging the timing and saying politely 'excuse me'.

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Neva Nevičica
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't see it as really disrespectful and i don't mind when people call me by my profession, as long as they are polite. They just can't remember something else. I call people 'sir' or 'madam' when i need something, even if they have a name tag. It's considered kind of disrespectfull to call people you are not close to by their name.

Lucas
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm afraid that Madam or Ma'am doesn't go down well in some countries. The reason appears to be centred around ego bruising. Madam or ma'am is usually aimed at older women and before a certain point they'll get called miss. The point and which it changes is subjective. Just say 'excuse me' when they are nearby. I can't think of any real benefit in adding Sir or Madam anyway... 🤔 You aren't likely to be calling across to a random customer (if you are in normal non-covid life get up and go over to them and stop shouting across the restaurant) and the staff do tend to know you mean them.

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Colin Mochrie At Its Finest
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mom, who has been a restaurant cook, is one of those loudly opinionated oeople who doesn't care. I tell her she will get shot one day. She complains openly before food arrives. Geez, mom, wait for the food to at least be cleared away so they don't p***k with your food.

JustAWeirdoGirlChild
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

what i say is i go up to them and say "miss/sir" or i try to politely get their attention when i need something, or if they are busy i just wait

Jaybird3939
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How should we get your attention? I'm a pretty respectful diner, but if you don't wear a name tag, or haven't introduced yourself, and it's been 15 minutes since I sat down, I'm going to have to get your attention somehow.

Caroline Overill
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've been learning a little bit of french and german lately and in the "At the Restaurant" lesson we are taught the word for waiter/waitress so I assume that is what they expect you to call them. Should we pass this disrespectful idea on to other professions so we shouldn't say nurse in a hospiital or officer to the police. I agree people shouldn't snap their finger or whistle , that's just rude but surely calling someone by their job title in a respectful way is OK.

Bruce B
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Omg and never whistle for my attention… I am not a dog!

Lynn Morello
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Their position is a Service Provider, Waitress or Waiter, People regularly refer to them as Waiter or Waitress, not Hey-You, or Scuse Me and waving their hand. Waiter and Waitress is or has always been an acceptable term. As long as you are polite because any fault is not usually theirs.

Concept-Peter Roosdorp
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I worked as a bartender in a nightclub before. One time a customer stood at a full bar waving his card in the air. I took it from him, put it on a shelf and continued to serve the others that where before him. He stood there not understanding anything, and when he asked why I took his card, I told him "Oh, I'm sorry, I thought you had found a card and I put it away so that it wouldn't get lost"

M Kate McCulloch
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not all servers wear name tags and not all of us idiots out in the world can remember names the first time we hear them and properly associate them with the correct individual. I waited tables for 14 years and never got mad at the rando who would forget my name. I get it. I forget, too. So I just called them all Honey, Baby, Sweetie, and Doll. Especially the older men - loved calling them "Doll..." It cracked me up.

Happy Happy Gay Guy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you're going to be a server, "waiter" or "waitress" is not automatically disrespectful. Snapping fingers is. A manager should ask such people to leave.

Mama Panda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you do not wear a badge with your name on it or introduce yourself to me, then how do I get your attention? Of course I will never snap my fingers at you but I need to call you something to get you to look at me. If you are rude and make me wait on purpose because you have the common sense of a flea, then your tip will shrink the longer you make me wait. It's just that simple.

Johnny
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What are we supposed to call them? Not all waitstaff wear a name tag (even if I could remember their name), plus it seems weird to call a stranger by their first name. "Sally! We'd like the check". If the waiter/waitstaff is walking by the table and I need something, I always address them "waiter or waitress". Is there a better term to use? "Hey you!" seems worse.

pinkytoes
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get this one. How is calling a waiter or waitress "waiter: or "waitress" rude? and saying sir or ma'am how does the server know if you are talking to them? maybe Im saying excuse me sir to the table next to me Let's try this at my job. I'm at my workplace and someone says "nurse" instead of calling me by my name or saying "miss". so I openly ignore them, and they'll be waiting a while for me to come back. sounds horrible doesn't it?

Joey Marlin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've never said waiter/waitress just found 'excuse me' sufficient'. Even in a hospital I've never said just nurse and always said 'excuse me'. Though they've usually been in the room, or I'm waiting my turn or a call button brought them to my side. Miss... what if they're older? I find the whole madam/miss thing a bit liable to cause offence tbh.

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Jackie Sheppard
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most places don't make their servers wear name tags anymore....thank God. I always tell my tables my name after I take their order. They tend to remember it better than if I told them as soon as I walked up to the table.

Alex Little
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whether or not to snap your fingers is actually a cultural aspect. Fully agree that it is very rude in US and Europe (so I would never do it there), but in some countries (Ethiopia for example) it;s very normal. It took me some time to adjust depending on what country I was in. I think whistling might be the same - certainly not in US/Europe, but maybe in other countries it;s considered acceptable?

Jojo Dancer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rule#1: Don't f*ck with people that handle your food. It's a pretty simple concept that far too many people don't seem to understand.

80 Van
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Usually your server will tel you their name when they introduce themselves. Write it down if you struggle with names, and then call them by their name. If you haven’t met them yet and have been waiting a while, politely walk up to the dining room host and ask them to ask a server to come by your table. If it’s not a restaurant that has a host, or you don’t have a designated server and you need to get their attention, it’s ok to address them as “waiter” once, politely ask their name, and then use that name the rest of the visit when you are speaking to that individual.

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#17

Wasting Servers' Time

Wasting Servers' Time This is a more Spanish restaurant specific thing than anything, but please for the love of god do not order 6 plates and then ask me which are spicy, having me bring back the ones that are. Please. It's a Spanish restaurant, nearly everything is spicy. Stop wasting our time. You wouldn't believe how often this happens.

Kyle Redman , Peijia Li Report

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LOttawa
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most restaurants I've been to solve this by having little drawings of peppers next to the meal description. Green for mild, orange for medium and red for spicy (and those for from 1 to 3 depending on how spicy it is).

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#18

Complaining That The Food Takes Longer To Come Out When The Place Is Busy

Complaining That The Food Takes Longer To Come Out When The Place Is Busy Food takes longer to come out when we’re busy

When a restaurant is busy, it’s usually no secret. It’s loud, it’s full, staff are running around, the whole deal. You can also anticipate when a restaurant will be busy, like on Friday and Saturday nights. If you choose to dine at such times as these, you can expect your food to take longer to come out. Why? More people, more orders, more work for the kitchen to do. So if you’ve just placed your order now, it could take 20, 30, 40 minutes, or even longer than that. If that’s too long for you, none of us have any sympathy for your complaints. You knew it was busy, so you knew it would take long. You chose to dine at this time, so you knew what you were getting into. We don’t care that you’re hungry. Everybody is hungry. That’s why they’re here! What do you think we’re going to do? Bring your food out first before someone else’s, just because you’re complaining? Dream on.

Maxwell Arnold , Zahir Namane Report

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Ripley
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Rubbish. If diners are having to wait more than half and hour for their food the kitchen needs more staff, or to review their practices. 40 minutes is too long, even on a busy night.

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#19

Not Accepting Where You're Being Seated

Not Accepting Where You're Being Seated Please accept where I seat you. I understand you want a booth. But we only have four, and by dinnertime, I've already reserved them for my six other 6:30 reservations. And if you're a party of two, you're going to get placed at a two top. Not a full-size table.

Kyle Redman , K8 Report

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Hans
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Frankly, why again not ask politely? There might be a perfect rationale behind the place you are seated, which is hiden to you as a customer, but it might have been a random choice out of many options.

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#20

Sitting At An Empty Table Without Asking

Sitting At An Empty Table Without Asking If you see a table with no one at it, that is not necessarily your table! There might be a reservation plotted for your table later that night. The restaurant limits how many people can sit in each time-block.

Jesse Sutton , Hitesh Dewasi Report

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LOttawa
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If it's reserved, shouldn't there be a note on the table saying so? If not, and there's no hostess to sit us down, how are we supposed to know which table is free and which one isn't? *Just mentioning that I said if there are no hostess, I did not say, what if the hostess is unavailable. The post makes no mention wether there is one or not, makes no mention of what type of restaurant it is (fancy or not).

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#21

Tipping Is Important

Tipping Is Important Tipping is not mandatory, but servers live off of our tips.

Edith Deween , Sam Dan Truong Report

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