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Societies are built on the balance between right and wrong. Cliché as it may be, we all need something more than our personal moral compass to guide us along. After all, we all have different perceptions, but the law—outright and clear—allows us to navigate society.

Every child is taught what's fundamentally good and what isn't. But what happens when people start looking for loopholes? Well, people on Reddit raised an interesting question about what should be considered illegal from their point of view, even if the thing or action is not explicitly forbidden by the law. 

People jumped at the chance to criticize anything from laws to societal structures; children's beauty pageants didn't escape without scathing comments thrown their way and the governmental ruling sparked more than one discussion. Someone even raised a very valid question about Naboo's blockade (if you know, you know).

The Reddit thread, started by user Musuhubber, caught the attention of more than 68K redditors, with 36K comments. And the issues that are being discussed are quite valid or, at the very least, the thread is a good place to vent after your day was disturbed by an unasked-for solicitor.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group In the US, people going bankrupt and losing their homes over medical bills.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh yes, and the people defending the healthcare system that's great when you're either healthy or rich.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Dog ear cropping and cat declawing edit I'm in the USA and a registered veterinary nurse. It's brutal

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Blondhorsecrazy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone does this at home on their pet, they should be charged with felony animal abuse. I've heard of pit bull owners actually using scissors! Grr. Also, backyard breeding should be banned & person caught doing so without a license should be jailed & fined.

Lis A
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There would be a loophole with this as it can be medically necessary. Happy Tail is when dogs wag their tail too hard and hit things causing it too bleed. It gets reopened daily and is just a mess to the poor thing.

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Firefoxy3121
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Declawing cats should be illegal everywhere! It's literally cutting off the tips of there fingers

Cecilia
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Uh...sorry to say, but it's not just the fingertips. Declawing a cat means removing the entire skeleton from their oaws

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Brigs
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cropping of tails and ears is illegal in South Africa

Mer☕️🧭☕️
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Both should be summarily outlawed and made into a felony unless there's a demonstrable medical need for the procedure.

InfectedVoice
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also a dog with cropped ears always looks aggressive to other dogs, ears play a big part of dog communication of course, terrible stuff.

Ozacoter
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And electric and choke collars. My 'aunts in law' have a beautiful GSD and she is all the time coughting because they gave her a horrible choke collar instead of an harness.

Paizleypie
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I always like the way they looked BEFORE they were mangled. Never could understand why people did this.

I want cake
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Anyone who thinks declawing cats is fine please read this: https://www.humanesociety.org/resources/declawing-cats-far-worse-manicure#:~:text=Medical%20drawbacks%20to%20declawing%20include,an%20uncomfortable%20pair%20of%20shoes.

Jonathan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A couple in Scotland are banned from breeding dogs for life after cropping the ears of an American bully puppy and stitching it up with fishing line.

Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They should be banned from OWNING a dog. Or anything, really. Also, punishment should fit the crime, right??

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Bored Little Panda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

IF YOU CAN HANDLE A CAT OR DAY AND THINK THESE KINDS OF THINGS ARE NECESSARY TJEN DONT OWN ONE!

TJ Palmer
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Cropping tails is stupid. Dogs can’t balance without them.

Mad Mar
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also that tail thing they do too. If you have a pet love it the way it was born. Cat declawing should be against the law honestly. Ask the owners if they want their fingernails torn out an tips clipped off their fingers.

Mourlie
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most people in dog groups on Facebook think ear cropping, tail docking, shock collars, prong collars, etc. are all perfectly fine. It's infuriating.

AlphaPuck
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry foxy but if you wrap a rubber band around a brand new puppy's tail, it has zero sensitivity and will fall off in a matter of a couple weeks. Cattle dogs do this because if their tail gets stepped on, they can be paralyzed. There is zero blood involved. But yes lets tell the guy who grew up on a ranch how that works. People like you are why Pop Tarts come with instructions.

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Alethia Nyx
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had never seen a dog with cropped ears until recently, I had no idea it was was thing. When I saw it I was absolutely appalled!! I couldn't believe anyone would do that to a dog!! I am glad I live in Australia where it has been illegal since before I was born (since 1986 in Victoria).

Karen Stanford
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had never even heard of cat declawing until I went to the USA, disgusting and cruel!

Biljana Malesevic
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree! But I would also make whole fur industry illegal. It's too brutal! No living being deserves that kind of torture just so that some rich ass can wear fur coat.

Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed! I can get behind shooting the animal yourself to make a coat. that way, it was happy and lived in freedom until its (quick) death. Actually... I wouldn't mind that for our food-animals, too.

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GFSTaylor
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Don't forget, docking horse's tails is still legal in America too. Defenders say it's to stop tails getting caught in harness. Other countries manage just fine. Don't be lazy - tie the tails up while working, if necesary. Don't mutilate your animal.

Shinomi Chan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I have known about this practice, but I didn't know it was considered LEGAL.

Patti Vance
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i rescued a baby doberman from a puppy mill that had had her tail docked with bolt cutters...at eight weeks! also, docked so short it wasn't even a tail or a nub. we called it a nubbin. had that sweet girl for 13 years. still talk about her and miss her.

Sue Knerl
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Declawing of cats is cruelty and should be banned in the entire US.

Leslie Burleson
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I didn't know about declawing a cat being bad until it was too late. It was 10 years ago and I still feel horrible

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Memento Mori
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh my gosh I cannot upvote this enough times. This is so f*****g cruel to animals and should never be legal in the first place. If you don't like how your dog's ears look, then, instead of chopping them off and putting them through unimaginable pain, give the dog to a family who will actually love them and GO F**K YOURSELF. (Sorry about the intense ending, I just feel very strongly about this)

sizzle like a sausage
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My cats actually had their front claws removed because they both had 2 nails in one toe and it was hurting them, so sometimes it's necessary.

Marlowe Fitzpatrik
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'M pretty sure they can. There are no medical reasons FOR docking, so I don't see how they couldn't refuse a service they don't want to perform.

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Astra Clendenning
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I admit I got one of my cats declawed a long time ago. Wouldn't have done it except he couldn't retract them and would get stuck all the time. Most of the time it wasn't a danger, but he twisted his legs several times and hurt himself pretty bad before I finally did it. He was happier after, but I wouldn't ever do it just to get rid of scratching or anything like that. It is cruel.

AnimalsRuleHumansDrool
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And de-barking, in Australia de-barking is legal in one of the states.

Steve Wilson
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Also removing a dog’s tail. The main way they communicate their feelings to you.

Yong-Sheng Lin
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Dog ear cropping", didn't know such thing exists till today... wtf

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I think that cat declawing might be ok, but it MUST be done professionally

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Child marriage

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Bunny Girl
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh, yes, I read a story a while back where a 12 year old was marrying a 30 year old man. It's disgusting, it makes me sad even thinking of it.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Congress members being able to trade stocks at the same time they are receiving intelligence and passing laws that could effect the performance of said stocks.

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Patrick O'Harris
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd agree with the idea, that politicians who get sponsored need to wear the logo of the person paying them. It's normal in sports, it should be normal in politics. I'd love to know who got bought by whom.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Child beauty pageants

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I 100% agree, I f*****g hate child beauty pageants. A lot of the time it seems to be the mums that want it and not the actual kids. And don’t get me started on the stage mums that wax their kids eyebrows, dress them provocatively, cake on the makeup like a cheap hooker, teaching their kids that looks are everything and they have to fit a certain mould, spray tanning them in the colour of an Oompa Loompa, padding the chest area, promoting plastic surgery and more. These are kids for Christ sakes, if the parents want to be in a beauty pageant then they should go ahead but a beauty pageant is not a place for kids. Especially when they don’t have the cognitive ability to think of the consequences.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Wages for fulltime jobs that don't even cover basic living costs.

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am Security in Canada trying to get enough experience to work for the Govt, and even with Covid going on None of us got extra pay. At 41 Im making the same wage I did at 23.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group The size of the "x" button on pop-up ads

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Iris Post
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NOW THIS is a problem!! When I’m tryna click the teeny weeny x, instead I just click the ad and it takes me to the App Store! 😡

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#8

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Marital rape and "honor killings" in countries like the one I live in (generally the middle east). Most of that stuff is in the process of being banned now (thank God)

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Sweatshop labor outsourced by tech and Fortune 500 companies. It’s essentially contemporary slavery we collectively allow.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ricky Gervais put it perfectly - Apple product manufacturing outsourced company's 18 employees (Foxconn) committed suicide. Apple makes products which are heavily marked up. It's a trillion dollar company. Yet sanctimonious celebs have no problem working for Apple TV. People have more problem with Amazon than they do with Apple!

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Not the worst thing, but it used to be illegal for commercials on TV to be louder than the actual show but not any longer suddenly.

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh, this one annoys me so bloody much. Especially when I am wearing headphones watching catch up tv.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Selling textbooks at ridiculous prices.

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would add "editing those textbooks in one or two little ways every year so that the students can't buy last year's used textbooks since they 'aren't the correct edition'"

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Conversion therapy. "Hey, let's make children hate themselves so much that they'll either lie about who they are for the smallest crumbs of validation or just commit sucde! Either way that's one less gay to worry about!" Now excuse me as I go throw up.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group For profit prisons.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because you will get this: A company that has operated a private prison in Estancia [New Mexico] for nearly three decades has announced it will close the Torrance County Detention Facility and lay off more than 200 employees unless it can find 300 state or federal inmates to fill empty beds within the next 60 days, according to a statement issued Tuesday by county officials. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/1/1686101/-Private-for-profit-prison-threatens-to-close-unless-government-finds-them-more-prisoners

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"We've investigated ourselves and decided we didn't do anything wrong".

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, in the US Internal Affairs is hated by regular officers, and in Canada it is done by Civilians who are a third party.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group A parent keeping their kid from the other parent when there’s no good reason to and leveraging the courts to do it.

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES, YES, YES. Parents should NEVER use their child as a p**n in a custody game or lie and manipulate to get what they want. You have to be completely selfish to do things like that, only thinking of yourself and getting revenge and not what is right for the child and their needs/wants etc.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Impossibly hard to cancel subscriptions.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most European countries have laws against this. In the Netherlands you must be able to unsubscribe as easily and in the same way as you subscribe. Companies that are failing to do so can expect hefty fines.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Unskippable Double ads

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't mind the ads so much if the robot overlord could use its AI powers to figure out that I don't want to buy a damn Buick, and I won't drink shitty alcohol!

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Being forced to fork up your personal data and access to EVERYTHING in your phone to use a stupid app that makes a picture of your dog sing. It should not be allowed at all

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The point theyre trying to make is EVERY APP DOES THIS! Even AVG anti virus wants to be allowed to look at your texts and change what happens on your phone. None of them need to be able to do anything or see anything on your phone. It isnt even things they could relate to advertising to you

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Putting unrelated crap into bills to sneak it into law. I know they're supposed to follow some kind rules related to germaneness, but they clearly don't, and clearly need actual laws with actual punishments for pulling this crap.

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Stille20
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. I was horrified by all the garbage in the bill for covid relief.

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#20

Being rude to someone who is just trying to do their job

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group College book prices and practices.

Change a few words in a math book, that'll be another $100 please.

Oh you realized that you can use the book from 10 years ago and succeed? Actually we require you get the new book.

Oh you realized you can get the book cheaper from a friend? Actually we're doing online books now and you need the personalized code. We change it every year even though there have been no breakthroughs in this subject!

Knowing the college struggle i have no f****** clue how this is allowed to exist. It should literally be illegal.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even pharma companies frequently add a supplement to a medicine, apply for patent and sell for an increased cost.

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#22

Big businesses lobbying politicians in order to get bills passed in their favor.

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#23

No-knock warrants. We've seen time and time again where Law Enforcement has the wrong address and some innocent person ends up dead because of a logistical mistake.

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Scared crowd - obedient crowd. Unfortunately, no one cares about consequences/effects to single individuals.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group I'm just gonna have to say little girl's beauty pageants. It just doesnt sit right with me. And not only because of the fact it's creepy, but I feel like it's stressful on the kid and on their body image.

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Joanna
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I truly question the motivations of any adult who wants to watch or be involved with such a thing.

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Being penalized for calling out sick from work. Edit. Even while the whole world is trying to survive this pandemic, we’re still dealing with this major issue by employers. I work in health care, and I feel like I get shamed by my managers and coworkers when you call out. Especially when you work night shift.

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who work for different parts of the Canadian Govts get to use their sick days for going on trips. Have to use them up, and also get General Illness so theyre paid just a tiny bit less while being off work and could go on for years

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#26

Robo Calls. Bothering someone with something THEY paid for

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#28

Our media driving a wedge between the populace to fuel division in order to satisfy ratings, purely for the purpose of entertainment and profit. Not facts.

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#29

Socks: “Fits size 6-12”

Bulls***.

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#30

Exploitation of nature, to the level that hurts everyone.

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El Dee
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Short sighted in the way that only huge corporations can be. It's like the plot from one of the 'Damien' films has been followed almost exactly (honestly - rewatch it and see just how accurate it is - scary)

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The troubled teen industry. Parents pay a company to kidnap kids while they're sleeping and send them off to "therapeutic" boarding schools where they are abused in every conceivable way. It's f******

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#33

Marriage. Specifically a 14 y/o getting married to a 40 y/o with the parents constent. Thats just wrong

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Rose the Cook
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With the parents consent or being forced by the parents? I strongly doubt many 14 year olds find a man that age attractive. Either way it shouldn't be allowed.

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Old legally blind folks driving cars!

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

thats true, should be some sort of mandatory eyesight examination after certain age in order to keep a license. Had once from 80yo driver: "oops, sorry, but it's just a scratch, no big deal, you will repaint it for 20$" which actually costed insurance 700 bucks full door repaint and dent reparation. His vision wasn't even good enough to see what he did :))

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Multi level Marketing

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Joanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never understand how generation after generation continues to fall for this stuff. It's really painful to watch a friend get duped, and then really annoying when said friend is constantly nagging you to buy their crap.

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#36

Pay-day loan practices. Technically not illegal, but hella predatory.

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#37

Scam calls and solicitation calls. I swear they USED to be illegal at one point.

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Lis A
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is actually illegal if you are in the US to solicit by phone if you are on the do not call list. The problem is that the phone numbers they call from are fake and they live outside of the US so no punishment can be enforced

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#38

Spice/K2/Synthetic Weed. This may have changed in the last few years but I found it embarrassing that our country locks up thousands for actual marijuana but allowed that s*** to be sold at every gas station and liquor store knowing damn good and well that it was hurting and killing people.

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Joanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS! I worked inpatient psych for years. People with cannabis-induced psychosis (yes, it's real, it can happen but it's not terribly common) get better. I have never seen anyone with K2-induced psychosis (much, much more common among K2 users) get better. It is far better to use the cannabis nature intended.

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#39

The fact car radio commercials are allowed to have police sirens or car crashes in them as a way to Get your attention

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Ava Musselman
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cant reply to Jeff so might as well say something. Jeff I was driving one day and I heard a siren on the radio. making me slow down so they can pass. I ended up causing a bit of a traffic jam thanks to that Tim button moxie auto sales commercial

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#40

Groom your stepdaughter for over a decade, then when she's 18, divorce her mom and hook up with your stepdaughter.

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dido74
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Woody Allen did this. He waited until she was legal then left Mia Farrow and married her adopted daughter. Disgusting man!

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