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Societies are built on the balance between right and wrong. Cliché as it may be, we all need something more than our personal moral compass to guide us along. After all, we all have different perceptions, but the law—outright and clear—allows us to navigate society.

Every child is taught what's fundamentally good and what isn't. But what happens when people start looking for loopholes? Well, people on Reddit raised an interesting question about what should be considered illegal from their point of view, even if the thing or action is not explicitly forbidden by the law. 

People jumped at the chance to criticize anything from laws to societal structures; children's beauty pageants didn't escape without scathing comments thrown their way and the governmental ruling sparked more than one discussion. Someone even raised a very valid question about Naboo's blockade (if you know, you know).

The Reddit thread, started by user Musuhubber, caught the attention of more than 68K redditors, with 36K comments. And the issues that are being discussed are quite valid or, at the very least, the thread is a good place to vent after your day was disturbed by an unasked-for solicitor.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group In the US, people going bankrupt and losing their homes over medical bills.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Oh yes, and the people defending the healthcare system that's great when you're either healthy or rich.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Dog ear cropping and cat declawing edit I'm in the USA and a registered veterinary nurse. It's brutal

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Blondhorsecrazy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If someone does this at home on their pet, they should be charged with felony animal abuse. I've heard of pit bull owners actually using scissors! Grr. Also, backyard breeding should be banned & person caught doing so without a license should be jailed & fined.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Child marriage

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Bunny Girl
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh, yes, I read a story a while back where a 12 year old was marrying a 30 year old man. It's disgusting, it makes me sad even thinking of it.

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#4

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Congress members being able to trade stocks at the same time they are receiving intelligence and passing laws that could effect the performance of said stocks.

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Patrick O'Harris
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd agree with the idea, that politicians who get sponsored need to wear the logo of the person paying them. It's normal in sports, it should be normal in politics. I'd love to know who got bought by whom.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Child beauty pageants

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I 100% agree, I f*****g hate child beauty pageants. A lot of the time it seems to be the mums that want it and not the actual kids. And don’t get me started on the stage mums that wax their kids eyebrows, dress them provocatively, cake on the makeup like a cheap hooker, teaching their kids that looks are everything and they have to fit a certain mould, spray tanning them in the colour of an Oompa Loompa, padding the chest area, promoting plastic surgery and more. These are kids for Christ sakes, if the parents want to be in a beauty pageant then they should go ahead but a beauty pageant is not a place for kids. Especially when they don’t have the cognitive ability to think of the consequences.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Wages for fulltime jobs that don't even cover basic living costs.

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I am Security in Canada trying to get enough experience to work for the Govt, and even with Covid going on None of us got extra pay. At 41 Im making the same wage I did at 23.

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#7

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group The size of the "x" button on pop-up ads

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Iris Post
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NOW THIS is a problem!! When I’m tryna click the teeny weeny x, instead I just click the ad and it takes me to the App Store! 😡

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#8

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Marital rape and "honor killings" in countries like the one I live in (generally the middle east). Most of that stuff is in the process of being banned now (thank God)

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#9

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Sweatshop labor outsourced by tech and Fortune 500 companies. It’s essentially contemporary slavery we collectively allow.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ricky Gervais put it perfectly - Apple product manufacturing outsourced company's 18 employees (Foxconn) committed suicide. Apple makes products which are heavily marked up. It's a trillion dollar company. Yet sanctimonious celebs have no problem working for Apple TV. People have more problem with Amazon than they do with Apple!

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#10

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Not the worst thing, but it used to be illegal for commercials on TV to be louder than the actual show but not any longer suddenly.

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Ugh, this one annoys me so bloody much. Especially when I am wearing headphones watching catch up tv.

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#11

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Selling textbooks at ridiculous prices.

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A.M. Pierre
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I would add "editing those textbooks in one or two little ways every year so that the students can't buy last year's used textbooks since they 'aren't the correct edition'"

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#12

40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Conversion therapy. "Hey, let's make children hate themselves so much that they'll either lie about who they are for the smallest crumbs of validation or just commit sucde! Either way that's one less gay to worry about!" Now excuse me as I go throw up.

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Colin L
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Florida banned it, but then made a religious exemption for it. Let's be clear: it's okay to torture gay kids in Florida if you *sincerely believe*.

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Neva Nevičica
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

But also, i have seen posts on internet from parents who decide that their child is gay or transgender at 4 years old. How can you do that to a kid that doesn't even know that people can be something or not. Let them be children at least till they hit puberty, life will be hard enoug for them even without you deciding that your boy is gay because he likes his sisters dress or because she likes playing with trucks or something.

Nia Loves Art
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When it comes to being trans a lot of kids feel like they are in the wrong body starting as young as three. If a male child for example wants to go by a girl name and wear girl clothes it doesn’t hurt for the parents to follow their lead. The child can always go back to being a boy if they want.

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Wolfstar
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Conversion therapy is a pile of sh*t. It nearly killed my friend. You need to accept your kids for who they are, no matter what they believe in or who they love. If you can't, then why the hell did you have kids at all?!

Kari Panda
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Same goes for other 'therapies' like the 'attachment therapy'. Candace Newmaker, if anyone wants to read up. (Warning about disturbing content though. Still makes me cry to think about that little girl...)

Joanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The practitioners and the parents subjecting their children without remorse should be prosecuted.

ramen noodle is screaming
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is just sad. why is it anyone's concern about who you like, or what gender you are? and why do they feel the need to force you to change it?

Bex Hallihan
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'd go even further and say "all religious teaching" Lets tell the child they're worthless and sinful unless they conform to this narrow set of guidelines set out by some Bronze-age sheep/camel herders to control a tiny breakaway tribe in the a**e-end of the desert.

Queen fhk
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your comment is offensive and racist Wat do you mean by "bronze age sheep camel herders?????

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Livvy
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think some schools do this too, except they call the child by their birth name around their parents and then the other name otherwise. So messed up.

Party Poison
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

i ASKED the teachers to call me by my birth name in front of my parents for a while. i was out, but not to any of my family, so it was acutally a good thing for me at that time

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Lorelai Dewrell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

conversion therapy makes me cry at night as a pansexual it also makes me mad as a christian i promise where not all like this you can be gay and christian

Lorelai Dewrell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

this is not fair for those kids their parent are like oh your gay the kids dont have a choice to go your not gay by choice this infuriates me also it makes Christians look bad i promise nit all are bad im a pansexual christian i cry about this when i hear the stories

Leslie Burleson
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not legal. It is however still practiced in some places , being hidden as a religious practice

Kanga9ine
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet they are the messengers who judge everyone as harshly without love for even that which they had so much hope would stay in the same, safe boring and artificial world they allow to restrict to their kind. Shame on anyone who dare speak to me of Love when they abandon their own flesh AMF blood. I guess it's your fault you created such a big mistake. Rethinking Yhat whole pro choice thing if you'd known the gift you were given would be just a diasspoibting branch in your family tree. Would a daughter, pregnant at 16 be judged so harshly. Hypocrites. You don't deserve any of these babies you

Scott
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is shocking how many "homosexuals" are just victims of other homosexual predators.

soni w
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hmm conversion therapy. These days if you don't transgender or are not in one of the LGBT+abcdefg groups you are not considered normal and have to convert. Fuckn # has so much to answer to.

Biljana Malesevic
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Isn't conversion "therapy" illegal? If not why it isn't? That's just abuse.

El Dee
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've just found out this is still legal in my country too!! The politicians have said that they ARE going to ban it but that it will now have to wait until next year..

AroAcePanda
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How is it still legal? It is basically abuse dressed up to seem good.

Isaac Hoppe
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone horrified by this should look up Ivar Lovaas and read some perspectives on ABA by autistics. ~ signed, gay trans autistic

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Your preference of whom you have sec with is a choice. Shut up and live your life. We do not need to know about it.

Ary Elizabeth
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

it’s not a choice. and if straight people don’t have to shut up then us queers don’t 🤷🏻‍♀️

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group For profit prisons.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Because you will get this: A company that has operated a private prison in Estancia [New Mexico] for nearly three decades has announced it will close the Torrance County Detention Facility and lay off more than 200 employees unless it can find 300 state or federal inmates to fill empty beds within the next 60 days, according to a statement issued Tuesday by county officials. https://www.dailykos.com/stories/2017/8/1/1686101/-Private-for-profit-prison-threatens-to-close-unless-government-finds-them-more-prisoners

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"We've investigated ourselves and decided we didn't do anything wrong".

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

No, in the US Internal Affairs is hated by regular officers, and in Canada it is done by Civilians who are a third party.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group A parent keeping their kid from the other parent when there’s no good reason to and leveraging the courts to do it.

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Foxxy (The Original)
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES, YES, YES. Parents should NEVER use their child as a p**n in a custody game or lie and manipulate to get what they want. You have to be completely selfish to do things like that, only thinking of yourself and getting revenge and not what is right for the child and their needs/wants etc.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Impossibly hard to cancel subscriptions.

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WilvanderHeijden
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most European countries have laws against this. In the Netherlands you must be able to unsubscribe as easily and in the same way as you subscribe. Companies that are failing to do so can expect hefty fines.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Unskippable Double ads

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M O'Connell
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wouldn't mind the ads so much if the robot overlord could use its AI powers to figure out that I don't want to buy a damn Buick, and I won't drink shitty alcohol!

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group Being forced to fork up your personal data and access to EVERYTHING in your phone to use a stupid app that makes a picture of your dog sing. It should not be allowed at all

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The point theyre trying to make is EVERY APP DOES THIS! Even AVG anti virus wants to be allowed to look at your texts and change what happens on your phone. None of them need to be able to do anything or see anything on your phone. It isnt even things they could relate to advertising to you

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Putting unrelated crap into bills to sneak it into law. I know they're supposed to follow some kind rules related to germaneness, but they clearly don't, and clearly need actual laws with actual punishments for pulling this crap.

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Stille20
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. I was horrified by all the garbage in the bill for covid relief.

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Being rude to someone who is just trying to do their job

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group College book prices and practices.

Change a few words in a math book, that'll be another $100 please.

Oh you realized that you can use the book from 10 years ago and succeed? Actually we require you get the new book.

Oh you realized you can get the book cheaper from a friend? Actually we're doing online books now and you need the personalized code. We change it every year even though there have been no breakthroughs in this subject!

Knowing the college struggle i have no f****** clue how this is allowed to exist. It should literally be illegal.

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ProfessionalTimeWaster
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Even pharma companies frequently add a supplement to a medicine, apply for patent and sell for an increased cost.

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#22

Big businesses lobbying politicians in order to get bills passed in their favor.

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#23

No-knock warrants. We've seen time and time again where Law Enforcement has the wrong address and some innocent person ends up dead because of a logistical mistake.

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Scared crowd - obedient crowd. Unfortunately, no one cares about consequences/effects to single individuals.

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40 Worst Things That Are Legal, Discussed In This Online Group I'm just gonna have to say little girl's beauty pageants. It just doesnt sit right with me. And not only because of the fact it's creepy, but I feel like it's stressful on the kid and on their body image.

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Joanna
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3 years ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I truly question the motivations of any adult who wants to watch or be involved with such a thing.

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Being penalized for calling out sick from work. Edit. Even while the whole world is trying to survive this pandemic, we’re still dealing with this major issue by employers. I work in health care, and I feel like I get shamed by my managers and coworkers when you call out. Especially when you work night shift.

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Jeff Requier
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who work for different parts of the Canadian Govts get to use their sick days for going on trips. Have to use them up, and also get General Illness so theyre paid just a tiny bit less while being off work and could go on for years

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#26

Robo Calls. Bothering someone with something THEY paid for

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#28

Our media driving a wedge between the populace to fuel division in order to satisfy ratings, purely for the purpose of entertainment and profit. Not facts.

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#29

Socks: “Fits size 6-12”

Bulls***.

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#30

Exploitation of nature, to the level that hurts everyone.

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El Dee
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Short sighted in the way that only huge corporations can be. It's like the plot from one of the 'Damien' films has been followed almost exactly (honestly - rewatch it and see just how accurate it is - scary)

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The troubled teen industry. Parents pay a company to kidnap kids while they're sleeping and send them off to "therapeutic" boarding schools where they are abused in every conceivable way. It's f******

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#33

Marriage. Specifically a 14 y/o getting married to a 40 y/o with the parents constent. Thats just wrong

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Rose the Cook
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

With the parents consent or being forced by the parents? I strongly doubt many 14 year olds find a man that age attractive. Either way it shouldn't be allowed.

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Old legally blind folks driving cars!

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B-b-bird
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

thats true, should be some sort of mandatory eyesight examination after certain age in order to keep a license. Had once from 80yo driver: "oops, sorry, but it's just a scratch, no big deal, you will repaint it for 20$" which actually costed insurance 700 bucks full door repaint and dent reparation. His vision wasn't even good enough to see what he did :))

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Multi level Marketing

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Joanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I will never understand how generation after generation continues to fall for this stuff. It's really painful to watch a friend get duped, and then really annoying when said friend is constantly nagging you to buy their crap.

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#36

Pay-day loan practices. Technically not illegal, but hella predatory.

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#37

Scam calls and solicitation calls. I swear they USED to be illegal at one point.

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Lis A
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is actually illegal if you are in the US to solicit by phone if you are on the do not call list. The problem is that the phone numbers they call from are fake and they live outside of the US so no punishment can be enforced

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#38

Spice/K2/Synthetic Weed. This may have changed in the last few years but I found it embarrassing that our country locks up thousands for actual marijuana but allowed that s*** to be sold at every gas station and liquor store knowing damn good and well that it was hurting and killing people.

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Joanna
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

THIS! I worked inpatient psych for years. People with cannabis-induced psychosis (yes, it's real, it can happen but it's not terribly common) get better. I have never seen anyone with K2-induced psychosis (much, much more common among K2 users) get better. It is far better to use the cannabis nature intended.

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#39

The fact car radio commercials are allowed to have police sirens or car crashes in them as a way to Get your attention

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Ava Musselman
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I cant reply to Jeff so might as well say something. Jeff I was driving one day and I heard a siren on the radio. making me slow down so they can pass. I ended up causing a bit of a traffic jam thanks to that Tim button moxie auto sales commercial

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#40

Groom your stepdaughter for over a decade, then when she's 18, divorce her mom and hook up with your stepdaughter.

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dido74
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3 years ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Woody Allen did this. He waited until she was legal then left Mia Farrow and married her adopted daughter. Disgusting man!

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