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Person Wonders Whether It Was OK To Confront Their “Childfree” Sibling For Consistently Mistreating Their Little Cousin
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Person Wonders Whether It Was OK To Confront Their “Childfree” Sibling For Consistently Mistreating Their Little Cousin

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People are mean – there’s no denying it. Especially teenagers. Some might say it’s because their prefrontal cortex – you know, the thing that’s responsible for moderating social behavior – is still developing.

Well, whatever it is, this Redditor that goes by u/Spirited_Spare1177 has a story to tell. Their brother has always been exceptionally mean to their little cousin – and when they finally decided to call him out on it, the 16-year-old justified his behavior by calling himself “childfree,” which to him meant that he didn’t have to acknowledge children, even if they’re his own family.

More info: Reddit | Emma Palmer

Teen leaves his 4-year-old cousin in tears by not acknowledging her

Image credits: Lukas (not the actual photo)

When a sibling calls him out on it, he claims to be childfree, which he seems to think frees him from having to interact with kids

Image credits:  Dobromir Dobrev (not the actual photo)

Image source: Spirited_Spare1177

AITA for telling my brother he is not childfree?” – this netizen took to one of Reddit’s most favorite communities to ask its members if they’re indeed a jerk for calling out their 16-year-old sibling for making his little cousin cry because he believes he doesn’t have to acknowledge her just because he’s childfree. The post managed to garner over 10K upvotes as well as 1.5K comments discussing the situation. 

There are many reasons people choose a childfree life. Financial stability, a lifestyle not conducive to kids, the fact that the world’s on its edge – whatever the reasoning is, it’s a respectable decision. However, the brother of the original poster really needed that reality check.

The thing is, the teen isn’t so fond of his 4-year-old cousin. The family has dinner every other weekend at their grandparents’ with all their aunts, uncles, and their kids, and “Brandon” never acknowledges the little one. Since he decided he’s childfree, he thought this meant that he could get away with being blatantly rude to his cousin, and when the 16-year-old left her in tears once again, just because he didn’t feel like looking at her drawings, the author of the post decided that it was time to confront him.

Naturally, the teen didn’t seem to accept the fact that he was being mean, so he blamed his behavior on being childfree. The post’s creator reached their boiling point and told the guy that he can’t be childfree when he is a child himself, which essentially prompted them to take the matter online and find out whether they might’ve overstepped the line as they didn’t mean to disregard his choice about not wanting kids.

To get a more professional outlook on the situation, Bored Panda reached out to Emma Palmer. First things first, we invited our expert to introduce herself: “I’m a Bristol-based psychotherapist and I’m childfree by choice. In 2018 I was honoured to be named Childfree Person of the Year on International Childfree Day – 1st August: https://internationalchildfreeday.com/qa-2018-childfree-person-of-the-year/. I’m also an author. My second book, ‘Other than Mother’ came out in 2016 https://www.johnhuntpublishing.com/earth-books/our-books/other-mother-childlessness. I researched and wrote it when it gradually dawned on me that having children isn’t compulsory! I spent some fascinating years researching childlessness and talking to parents and non-parents alike about the parenthood/non-parenthood decision.”

The author tells him he’s not childfree because he’s a child himself and provokes a fight

Image credits: Ketut Subiyanto (not the actual photo)

We then asked Emma to tell us more about voluntary childlessness: “It’s now more commonly known as being childfree or being childfree by choice, rather than voluntary childlessness – that phrase and the term elective childlessness were more commonly used 20+ years ago when I first started researching this fascinating area of life, which back then, was hardly discussed. The distinction back then wasn’t even drawn between being childless through choice or circumstance, etc., so things have changed a lot. Now the terms childless and childlessness have come to tend to represent those people who do not have children and who haven’t chosen that, so childless through being unable to have children, through circumstance and loss. Whilst there are grey areas between the childfree and childless, and they’re not always as polarised a group of people as some might think (e.g. as well as in terms of the effect of living with the overall societal stigma of not being a parent), it feels important and respectful to acknowledge the very big difference between choosing and not choosing to have children, particularly given that childless people can often be grieving the loss of children and/or a life without the children they were unable to have.”

BP then wondered about Emma Palmer’s take on our society that tends to “look down” upon childfree folk, and the woman replied as follows: “Because in some peoples’ eyes, it’s still seen as subversive to not have children. Society is still pretty pro-natal, in terms of expecting women to be mothers, and that being an expected and key part of their identity, even though this has noticeably changed in my lifetime, thank goodness, and there’s a lot of welcome change in gender and identity.”

We also pondered whether one can be too young to know if they want children: “I think this is a deeply personal thing and there isn’t one straightforward answer. I’ve known some people who decided early in life not to have children and that always remained true for them. I was the opposite. I always assumed I would have children, then decided in my late 20s that I didn’t want children – I realised how conditioned I had been by the expectation of others that I’d be a mum one day.”

And last but certainly not least, Emma added: “I think it’s important that childfree folk aren’t automatically typecast as not liking children! That’s not generally my experience, even though I have encountered a handful of childfree people who are vocally not into children. That’s not true in most childfree communities I’m part of. Personally, I love being an aunt, and I enjoy the company of children as much as I do adults. Being childfree doesn’t mean you automatically either dislike or aren’t kind to children! In fact, it could be quite the opposite. Part of my decision-making about remaining childfree was wishing we would take better care of the children who are already here, and of the planet we all share!”

Fellow online community members shared their thoughts and opinions on the situation

 

 

 

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Tabby
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whyyyyyyy are the parents not getting involved here? You’re never too busy talking to keep at least one eye on your kids (whether they be a 4 year old or arsehole teenager)

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe they do, but because the parents are cool with Brandon’s behaviour the OP prefers to play it down.

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Andy
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is being a d**k, but at the same time it's just the usual stroppy arsehollyness you get from most teenagers. What 16 year old wants to spend every second weekend hanging out with small children? Childfree is just a buzzword he has picked up and probably used because he thinks is makes him sound cool and different.

Jp@nda
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nowhere does it say that he's being forced to hang out with this kid. What he's doing is being cruel to a small child on purpose. I don't care who you are, you have every right to excuse yourself, but you don't get to ignore and make kids cry because you're a douche

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Josh Gilland
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm likely to be child free (open but only to the very right person), I'm also not a fan of young kids. However that doesn't entitle me to be a douchebag to kids. Sadly he's a perfect example of a lot of people. Using a term they have no clue what it means. Also feeling he's entitled to be a douchebag because of his beliefs. He really needs an adult in his life.

Bina Wei
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. Even people not comfortable with kids or spending time with them would've at least said "I'm busy, why don't you show (other person)?" Or something similar. Not just pretend they're not there.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually loved this and could not stop laughing at this lil shithead. As someone who is ACTUALLY child free I hate to burst his bubble. That does not mean children no longer exist in your hemisphere. And he IS a child. Does this mean I would be within my rights to just ignore him if he were to speak to me? Teenagers are so awful so often. Ironic HE reminded me why I am glad to not be a parent.

Anna Jefferson
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's 16 so not really a child. He's almost an adult. But I agree he didn't need to be a douchebag to his cousin. I'm child free too but still treat my cousin's kids with kindness when I see them (I dont see them that often because they live over 200 miles away).

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deanna woods
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This Brandon kid is a sad individual. I am child free, but when they are around me, I try to be as kind to them as possible. I work in retail and they like to play with the shopping bag carousel. I don't say anything to them and I am still very polite with them. Children like to talk to older people, especially family members, and this guy's behavior shows that he is truly the immature one.

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d have more sympathy for this view if we heard Brandon’s perspective.

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Valden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one gave flashbacks. I'm not sure how old I was, but it was less than sixteen because I was not working at the time. My uncle was visiting from out of state, and his young children wanted to go play at the local park. No big deal. I walked with my uncle to show him where it was. I stuck around helping to push his kids and my younger brother on the swings. Well, the youngest of his children, a girl about 3 or 4 yo, wanted to get in the swing. I said, "Wait, and let me ask your dad." She started freaking out and crying like I slapped her upside the head. I never wanted children, but that day cemented the belief in my mind. I realized just how much I can't handle irrational people, and children are a powderkeg of irrational. Since then, I have been a huge anti child person. Never once held a baby or infant. When my younger brother had his first child, my wife told him not to get upset when I refuse to hold his baby. However, even as a teen, I have never been a jerk to a child. I helped babysit my nieces and nephews when they were little. Children crying in public does not even phase me. My point being, I don't think it's natural behavior for anyone to be mean to a child. Even a teenager.

Best Behave
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You called him out, he explained his position. There’s not much more you can do. …. Except… it is possible that Brandon doesn’t know how to interact with young kids. It doesn’t come natural to everyone. The bluster is a way from deflecting that if challenged. It may well be worth approaching from that position again. If that Is the case B is unlikely to be feeling good about it, and may be open to exploring strategies when not on the defensive. I can already hear the clicking of downvotes , however if this is successful it will benefit B, but more importantly mean that his little cousin is then able to have the attention she wants from big cousin Brandon

The Other Guest
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't have to know how to act around kids to know that generally speaking it's rude to ignore someone. A simple, "That's great, why don't you show Auntie your drawings?" is sufficient.

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Carole G.
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow! Hurting a 4 years old feelings. He's gonna grow up to be some piece of work...I hope his parents step up & teach him to be a better person.

Ron Baza
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1 year ago

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Wow! Shaming your family online, and trying to cause trouble for your siblings with both your parents and your wider family. The OP is gonna grow up to be some piece of work… I hope their parents step up & teach them to be a better person.

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Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We don’t have Brandon’s version of events. We do know that he has to spend every other weekend with a four-year-old, which is no 16-year-old’s idea of fun. We do know that, whatever the reality of his behaviour, it doesn’t bother the four-year-old’s parents. And if this is something that’s been the case every other weekend, they’ve had plenty of time to form a view. We also know that Brandon’s sibling is keen to stick their oar in, cause of argument in fro t of their family, and try to shame them to strangers on the internet. And we know the worst thing Brandon has done is… walk away from something he doesn’t like? There may be some compelling details that I’m overlooking, but in lieu of that I’m firmly on Team Brandon.

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's irrelevant what the circumstances are. Just walking away from a little kid showing you a picture is mean. HE is a mean child. Does he want someone to treat him that way? I'm guessing no. Being s****y to people smaller than you is generally a good habit to break.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find male children who declare they will be child free HILARIOUS. Watch their faces when you ask when they are getting a vasectomy.....ohhhhh behbeh. What they mean is they are going to refuse responsibility for any children they may cause 4/5. They aren't clear on how to be a child free man guaranteed i e. Celibate or snipped. They think it's just like a moral declaration. And anti abortion AND planning to be child free? They give me the sillies.

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Cassi Lyris
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Deciding to be childfree is absolutely 100% fine, even at 16. Deciding to be an àsshole is wrong at any age.

Alex Mosby
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That kid is a jerk and on a power trip. I doubt he'd be so rude to someone he didn't like that was older.

Bina Wei
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Literally not what childfree means too. - Someone who is childfree bc of health and trauma reasons. If a kid came up to me I wouldn't be like ignoring them. I might not respond with the most enthusiasm bc I'm not used to dealing with kids and i have social anxiety (so mostly it'd be confusion and awkwardness), but i wouldn't pretend they don't exist. That's what my house is for - bc they actually don't exist there.

R Dennis
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh. My daughter is 16. Says she doesn't want kids. But hangs out and plays with her younger cousins and niece.That kid isn't being a teen, he is being a jerk. As a parent, we would be having a conversation about behavior, kindness, and how to treat others. The world doesn't need more a******s.

Ray Arani
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One, Brandon should be taught what child free means, and that he still needs to treat children he finds himself around with common decency and respect, since he will find himself around kids throughout his life even if he chooses none for himself . Childfree doesn't mean you decide not to ever have to interact with children. They are people and have just as much a right to exist and be treated with respect as adults. Second, this is a teaching moment for OP with the 4 year old. Four is old enough to be able to have a conversation about safe and unsafe people of different types, and that sometimes you'll also encounter people who aren't nice, and that it's not our job to teach them to be nice. Teach her that people who are openly mean don't deserve her attention. She can choose an a*****e free lifestyle. Might want to pick a different label for it, (or not if she won't get in too much trouble for the swear). Demonstrate by doing so yourself and icing him out entirely until he learns

GingerPanda
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this situation is partially the AITA subreddit's fault. They are often so vehemently pro child-free that jerks are starting to use it as an excuse to be rude. I'm child-free myself, and I hate when people act like I am less of an adult because I don't have kids, but sometimes I think these ruling go too far to approve of people banning children from family events. But to each, their own. It's good that they shut down this kid as well as that 20-year-old bride who wanted to ban her friend who was a couple years younger so that her wedding could be "child-free." Maybe it acts as a kind of checks and balances.

Anna Jefferson
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

18 is an ADULT. since 18 is two years younger than her it doesn't male sense. But she is entitled to a child free wedding because its her and her fiancé's wedding.

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Mine Truly
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that he shouldn't treat her like that. But if he can't stand to be civil to a 4 year old, he needs to completely remove himself from the area when she's around. He should go to a friend's house or the mall or something so he's not putting himself in a situation where the only way he can enforce his boundaries is by being rude to a little girl. The solution for not wanting to be around someone is to not be around them, not to be around them and then punish them for their existence.

Elizabeth Bearup
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is true. He feels Uncomfortable around children and chooses not to be a childbearing parent in the future for the same reasons perhaps

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Randy Perez
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this generation of people that can justify running away from unpleasant situations and needing their "space". He has every right to not want to be with the child, especially if he's obligated to take care of a child, but he has no right to hurt that little girl that clearly likes him. Her parents are garbage and his parents are also garbage. Sibling should call him out but also be big enough to tell the parents

Pandroid Rebellion
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was JUST talking about this! It is GREAT to be aware of mental health and treat it like actual health care. Fabulous to advocate for one's needs....but they have ZERO ability to just suck it up and handle s**t. Your fefees are not going to put a roof over your head, kids. Might want to figure out how to handle stuff without just walking away, throwing up your hands or calling a mental health day. They're all going to be living in cardboard boxes talking about how self aware they are hahaha

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Joe Hurd
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a parent and despise other people's kids for numerous reasons

Elizabeth Bearup
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel this Brandon falls in that category also. Why does he not want kids.. he likely feels that others - on this case, his aunt and uncle probably shouldn’t have for the same reasons…?

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Pattie B
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is such a hilarious interpretation of childfree. I'm a vegetarian, I'm gonna start pretending meat and meat eaters don't exist. "You had a WHAT for lunch? A hamburger?! There's no such thing as a hamburger! Get out of here with your damn dirty lies!"

Ash Conner
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You need to have a talk with your parents and the little girl's parents. If he doesn't want to participate with her then they need to help him come up with something polite to say to her. What he's doing is abuse. He may not understand it's abuse but somebody needs to explain that to him like your parents. When he does this around a girl he likes he'll get the message when the girl thinks he's a huge a******. Or even his friends would probably think he's a huge a******. Everybody should treat everybody with respect. She is a family member and has every right to be there without being mentally abused.

Houseof No
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks to me like this person's rudeness has nothing to do with being childfree. Apparently he is an equal opportunity a-hole to everyone. If it were me, I would not only ban this person from my home but disown that person totally. I might add he is setting a terrible example by his disrespect. Looks to me like this person has some sort of antisocial personality disorder. Hope this disrespectful person can get some professional help.

Liesl English
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don't understand the person who said it's not her problem because the parents also don't care? It's said but just move on? I'm glad SOMEBODY is trying to look out for this 4 year old and her feelings. I'm annoyed it's not the parents, but I'm not going to shame or put down the cousin for trying to be a decent, compassionate person.

Lois Forbes
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree. Bradon needs to state just as defiantly to his parents, that he is child free and refuses to associate with his young cousin. Let's see how far that gets him. I imagine his sister has probably protected the young cousins feelings more than once. She sounds considerably more mature than her brother.

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michele mbennett1010@att.net
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brandon is a teenager exhibiting typical socially ineptitude along with their incredibly self centered a*****e behavior. This does not mean he gets to get away with boorish rude behavior. He needs a total attitude adjustment and understanding of what is acceptable when interacting with ANYONE regardless of age, gender or relationship. His parents are failing to teach him these very important social mores. His declaration that he is "childless " is straight up BS!

Lathrop L. d S T
Community Member
1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pfft. I was stuck with my younger cousins and it was battle royale. They attacked me and I swatted them around. It's family tradition and I never saw it differently. They were conniving, scheming little monsters that made themselves impossible to ignore - eye-poking, shrieking, biting. I feel for this guy. I was left alone and to my own devices growing up, made to be just another adult in the group. I detested my birthday and begged not to have "any disgusting kids" in it. I was four when I stated this. Still avoiding children as much as I can, to this day. (Luckily, there are not many of them in the Swiss canton where I live)

Deitra Pawley
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You were probably a lot of fun to be around as a child, also I find it ironic that you didn't want any disgusting kids around at four years old considering how you yourself were a child too,you brat.

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Ivana Bašić
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wonder how Brandon, being still a kid himself, would feel if people just got up and walked away from him when he tried to talk to them. He doesn't sound very charming.

Misa Ashizuri
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My question would be if the cousins are being forced to stick with and interact with the toddler. He doesn't have to be an a*****e to her, and getting acclimated to kids is not a bad thing at all- children deserve kindness. However, it is a pain when the little ones are dumped on you without a by-your-leave, and are expected to babysit without any kind of compensation. That probably isn't the case here, but being forced to interact ain't right, either. MOST teenagers have no idea how to deal with toddlers unless they have them in their family. I remember being the baby cousin wishing that my cousins would stop getting older so I could catch up and play with them. But thing is, I WAS the baby cousin and the stuff that a self-interested teen likes would have been boring as hell, and this kid ain't learned his elbow from his a*s. I think better expectations and communication would help everyone- expectations of behavior, letting the teen know that people DO care about his feelings, too.

Nonya Business
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is totally a pain to be forced to babysit, and I would get it is Brandon expressed his frustration towards the people who are expecting him to watch his cousin without his consent. That said, shunning a child for being a child is a horrible punishment for something she has no control over. It sounds like the parents of the 4 year old are not concerned about her emotional/social well-being and I am scared for this kid.

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Jade Hei
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This boy seriously needs to be taught some manners and basic humanity. I'm child free but I like spending time with the kids in my family. Kids are great! It's of course also okay to not like spending time with kids, but it is not okay to act poorly when around children. Everyone should treat kids with basic kindness, even if they don't like them. That's the bare minimum.

Sami-Jo Ross
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not good with kids, but I'll be damned if I decide to be a prick to a little kid. The parents need to step in and discipline him somehow.

Spalding Monn
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

16 uear old doesn't have to play or I teract much with a 4 uear old cousin. However, his actions are those of an AH. Being a teenager has never been an acceptable excuse for being an AH and that is what he is.

Deitra Pawley
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my older brother was 16 he said "I don't ever want kids" cut to two decades later he has five kids lol 😆. Hopefully Brandon will mature, but right now he's an A hole . The kid just wants to show him their drawings, not that hard even if he has to fake enthusiasm would be better than just ignoring the kid and yes kids do remember stuff. They may get timelines wrong but they remember.

Chris Conley
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hey OP. You say the adults are busy talking with each other, why didn’t you bring their attention to this situation right when it happened? Would your parents/aunt/uncle/grandparents tolerate this kind of behavior?

Kristine Masta
Community Member
1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I found this post disturbing. Is there more to this story? Is this 16 year old showing anti-social behaviors? Why are the parents/family allowing this behavior towards a 4 year old? We, unfortunately, live in a world which behaviors like this can turn violent I never had the baby clock, it also did not happen at 16 - I also adore children and have such wonderful influences upon their growth and development Something is really wrong here

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sick so I have had waayyyy too much time to read all the comments. And make them. There seems to be 3 camps. 1) The "when a little kid brings you a play phone you answer it or you are nuts" mentality. 2) The " he is within his rights to behave that way but it wasn't nice" mentality. 3) And " It is fine to act however, wherever, for whatever reason cuz you do you, boo" mentality...Very interesting. I want to know if it is generational. I would bet a body part it is. Best wishes to all the Pandas.

Jp@nda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm interested, and I do enjoy some good statistical analysis. So what age ranges do you believe that these three camps can be broken down into?

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LayDiva in the Zone
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WTH is wrong with people? Parents should be paying attention to a child in distress. Why is he against this particular child? There's something else going on, but it's time for the poster to bring it up to the parents. This young adult shouldn't have to deal with this weirdness, tell ALL of them that you're child and sucker free, and deal with their kids. Drop mic and exit stage left.

Mary Pigott
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody cared that, as a child, I was the youngest of everyone. My closest in age cousin ignored me, my brothers ignored me, the parents mostly ignored me at gatherings until people got drunk. Sometimes the wrong people would notice me. Luckily I was on to perverts at an early age.

Deep One
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brandon needs his butt kicked up between his ears. At 15 only a sociopath hurts a 4 year old.

Rita Rose
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here's a script for the teen when he doesn't want to interact with a 4 year old showing her art - "wow that's nice, but do you know who would like it even more? Mummy and daddy!!!!"... Simple and works!

The Last Silent Tiger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are there no comments on OP being an AH? One sided article. I think OP is an AH. I am disregarding Brandon's status on AH for this. 1. OP's own account, they accosted B about his actions. They didn't open up a conversation and discuss it with him, they told him. Strike 1. 2. It's B's decision who he wants to interact with and OP shouldn't force him to interact with someone he doesn't want to. Why does it seem like there is an underlying issue with Brandon and why he doesn't want to interact. From all accounts he's not mean to her, just ignores her and removes himself from the situation. Not antagonistic or offensive towards child.

The Last Silent Tiger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is Brandon AH? I don't think we have enough information. 1. What is underlying situation? Sound like it's possible that family is expecting B to be babysitter and/or entertain young cousin. 2. What is B's attitude? Is his attitude misogynistic or other problems? Like to know before I judge B

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donkey high
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hope he ends up in debt, then the cousin wins the lottery. So when he pops over to beg for money, she'll just have her butler open the door, look around some as if he can't see anyone, then yell back to her "yea there's no one here, must have been some kids or the wind.." as he closes the door in the face of the douche.. Then when he asks the other family members why she won't help him, they can tell him she said she's "poor-free", so she won't acknowledge him.

Venice
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think he knows what " childfree" really means. He's gonna be interacting with children in some capacity or the other in life. At a store, in the mall, possibly his work. He may be in a position to save a child life one day, so unless he plans to live under a rock, he needs to start growing up. His cousin won't be a kid forever and someday may need help from them. Someone needs to give him a sit down and serious lecture. Good manners cast nothing. He sounds very spoilt.

Melissa Krainski
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't childproof the world, you must worldproof the child. Just tell the 4 year old that "Brandon" is just mean and to stay away from him. But "everbody else wants to see your drawings. Can I see?"

Markus He/It/E/Cloud/Ti
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm 16. I hate young children on multiple levels. Anyone below the age of 12 can get tf away from me. But I know how to play nice, and I will when my brother has kids. I may not know what to do with kids but I'll do my best to not be mean. But at the same time, I can understand why this kid wants to just ignore the child instead

Marko Požarnik
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people just hate children, no matter whose they are. If they don't want to interact with them, they don't. I don't understand why anyone should be forced to interact with children and pretending to be interested or whatever. Leave the boy alone, tell the child to stay away from him and the problem is solved.

Jonathan Nichols
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His parents should decide they are childfree and stop housing and feeding such a worthless little s**t

Kevin Felton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My instinct is to stick up for this kid because I think it's important to encourage teenagers to make responsible decisions, but honestly it sounds like he's just using this as an excuse to act like a douche. I get it children are the worst. Having a child intentionally is the most selfish thing anyone can do on this overpopulated rock. But this is a 4 year old girl trying to show you a picture, not a gold digger poking a holes in your condoms. Take 2 seconds to smile and complinent the picture you entitled little prick.

David
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good Lord BP, PLEASE stop using super obvious AITA threads as 'filler'. Nobody in their right mind is going to say OP is the Ahole or that Brandon ISN'T the Ahole.

GuyYouMetOnline
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get why people like the OP think they even MIGHT be in the wrong in situations like this. There's no question the brother is the one in the wrong here.

Dick Keith
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At 16 we're pretty sure we completely figured the world out. Anyone who disagrees isn't as bright as us. Basically, we're often a******s at 16. Naive, ignorant, & completely sure in our convictions no matter how wrong they are or how little sense they make. Logic isn't a strong suit at 16. It eventually goes away for almost everyone by our mid-20's. Seeing someone past the age of 30 still acting like a 16 year-old, it serves as a kick in the a*s to grow up because no one wants to be that guy. Fortunately, we get wiser once we start understanding how little we actually know in the broad scheme of life. Basically, just ignore a 16 year-old being stupid. It's what 16 year-olds do. Ten years from now, you'll make fun of him for his "child free" phase. He'll be a little embarrassed & everybody will get a good laugh. By then the 4 year-old cousin will be in her know-it-all teenager phase & circle of life will repeat.

Guess Undheit
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're demanding a 16 year old babysit for free, then whining when he doesn't want to do it. He doesn't insult, attack, or abuse the toddler, so they can all STFU.

Eliza May
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We understand small children want attention, as she should, and as she needs. Walking away from someone you are not interested in being around is not actively cruel. Because it hurts her feelings that she doesn't get what she wants, is resulting in the child's family pressuring the other young child to spend time with her. When is it all right to force a relationship? Yes, it would be *ideal* if at his age & stage of maturity, he'd take a few moments to acknowledge her & spare some kindness to her. But even in animal families, the least cruel way to escape a sibling or any othernunwanted play attention is to quietly get up and walk away. The rest of the family/relatives who have more maturity & generousity of spirit/patience should be addressing the smaller child's needs, not expecting the older child to tolerate what he is TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR - without physically pushing or telling her go away - that he can not.

Hoshi Reed
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This 4 year old bugging an adolescent is no different than a forced kiss or cheek pinch from aunt or hug from the smoking uncle. Everyone should be able to consent to their boundaries and comfort zone. If one is introverted enough, talking IS part of one's boundaries. Boundaries are not just limited to touch. Instead of being upset at the teen, use it to create/build a 4 year old and her own personal boundaries. NO doesn't have to be verbal or emphatic, YES does. Get ride of the whole: just be nice and say hi attitude. Get ride of, play along just this once, they will change their mind eventually so it is okay to push, etc. It is okay to just walk away if someone asks you a question or for help finding a lost puppy, so too can your cousin walk away from you.

Hoshi Reed
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wouldn't we WANT a teen with anger, jealousy or other issues, to be "rude" and walk away rather than please the kid until they can't take any more and hurt the kid? What if the teen says: nice picture 1-2 times then, I don't care, go away the 3rd? Isn't that more hurtful? Or if he humors the kid until he can't take it any more and slaps her for being too pushy? Or, say they are fighting pedophilic tendencies (not all act on them but removing temptation is the best way to keep it that way). They are NOT going to say the truth to your face, why not let them hide behind a benign "child-free" lie?

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Giobemo
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP should get the parents involved so they can tell their daughter to stay away from Brandon and give him his space. You can't force someone to interact with anyone they don't want to. Why is no one respecting Brandon's wish to be left alone? If the 4-year-old were older she would be able to take a hint and steer clear, but instead she keeps trying to engage him against his express will. Can you imagine if it were the opposite and a 16yo uncle wouldn't leave his 4yo niece alone? If he just kept pushing and pushing? They would definitely tell unks to leave her alone and cool it. If it makes you feel better, it probably is just an obnoxious little phase he's going through, but forcing him to interact with someone he chooses not to is not going to help anyone. Teach him some good polite ways to shoot someone down instead and empower him to claim his space in a more socially acceptable way.

Sordatos
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BS, you don't have to interact with the kids if you don't want to, that's their parents job, or babysitter...

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1 year ago

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Nadine H
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The kid doesn't wanna be pestered by an annoying 4 year old. Neither do I. And I am 74 and I never liked kids. I think you guys are parents and get all soppy about kids. The real solution here is to keep him away from the 4 year old. He is entitled to a little respect too. But no one is thinking of hime--only the little kid. I would blech if a toddler showed me her drawings. Mind you, I would say, "very nice, dear" of course. But I would then find something else I had to do just then. Leave Brandon alone and let him be blissfully childless. There are way too many little kids in the world, as it is.

Elena Guerrero
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I was once his age and felt the same, I didn’t want kids till my late 30s but my thing is if he doesn’t want to be around kids then he shouldn’t be look down upon, eventually he’ll grow out of it…maybe.

Nathan Temple
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should send his brother links about people who had children that didn't plan on it, because I'm pretty sure that's like 70% of everyone ever born.

Boblawblaslawblog
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really think something deeper is going on here. I think OP's brother is resentful of the toddler "sucking the air out of the room", so to speak. He probably has got less and less attention from family since he's getting older, while the family pays attention to the cousin now. He's acting like this for some reason. Honestly, rather than shaming and admonishing him, his family, including OP, need to root cause this behavior. It could be an indicator of something more serious.

Joseph Matthews
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how 'child free' people are. They hate their parents and take it out on other parents while never acknowledging the harm they are doing to other children. Just a more direct example. It's like the new 'atheist' it used to mean you just didn't believe in or really even think or care about religion then it morphed into 'actually I know everything about religion and I can prove you wrong if you are religious with my ten point plan.' 'child free' used to mean you just didn't want or even think much about having kids and now it means having children makes you the enemy.

Scott T Brynildsen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of you are attempting to put your opinions onto a child who has already established his boundaries, and you're all failing. You're calling him a monster for not doing what YOU WOULD DO. You're not him. He's a teenager. Would you rather he engaged and then was dismissive? Would you rather he was rude? Would you rather he tell this little girl that he doesn't want to talk to her? You're all being a******s based on what YOU would do, but IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. He had his reasons. Let him have them because there are other options as to how he could be interacting with her, so be grateful he's being polite.

Vicki Mathison
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is he REQUIRED to interact with this 4 year old. Why is a ah if he doesn't. Hes old enough to say no I don't want to play or even acknowledge that child. Its not his child. Leave him alone. Yes most who choose to be child free actually like child. Some DONT. He is ALLOWED TO NOT LIKE KIDS. Most of my youth I HATED CHILDREN. I like those who i have formed a relationship with now like neighbor kids or SOME of my friends kids. But as a whole NOPE, not a fan.

Aria Whitaker
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who cares if it is "not his child"? My God, the kid is still a PERSON. Were you not taught to treat others with respect? To not act rudely towards others? I dont give a flying fig how old a person is, you dont ignore them when they are doing NOTHING untoward to you (but being a certain age, forgot about that SIN) ...you dont just walk away when others are speaking...why don't you know this?? Basic manners and decency! Something we were supposed to learn as...wait for it....kids and teens!! Clearly he was not taught either by his parents...and he is not the only one.

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Christina Swindell
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people badmouthing Brandon have clearly forgotten what it's like being a teenager. The 4yr is not going to remember the incident as they get older and start hanging out with their friends. The parents just need to talk to them both and not force him to do something that he clearly does not like to do. He will eventually start interacting with the kid and others when he gets older and becomes a mature adult. Right now he is just a kid who doesn't like being pestered by other kids.

Yargarble
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sheesh! Everybody going on about what this kid does or doesn't know, how he should act towards children, blah blah blah. He's a SIXTEEN yr. old little punk that thinks he has the whole world figured out when what he really knows is Jack Sh*t! And Jack left town. If all he's doing is ignoring and walking away, consider it a blessing. That is so mild it isn't even abuse when it's coming from a SIXTEEN yr. old boy. Get a grip people.

Just saying
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's possible he's realised he's attracted to kids and wants to avoid them.

Stephanie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op literally say he's not being rude or mean. What's the issue. So he's using the term childfree wrong. No one should be mean to innocent kids but sounds to me like he just wants the kid kept away from him and no one is respecting his wishes. Why does a kid cry when someone walks away? Seems fishy

Saara-Elina Kaukiainen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA and so is your brother. Teenagers can be stupid and act stupid. Just leave him be and play with the kid yourself.

FuzzyOtterPaws
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So? Kids are f*****g annoying and they need to be treated like adults. I was extremely sheltered and it's been ruining my life only just now learning stuff about life I should have known before. There's NOTHING making you talk to annoying kids. Their drawings suck and I'm not wasting energy "pretending" to like something. Kids need to learn life isn't all sunshine and rainbows and there's many people who don't like socialization. I'm not apologizing for going with what I feel instead of PRETENDING. If people don't like it, too bad. I don't need to talk to random people or kids if I don't want to. People are too controlling.

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm child free. I'm also really blunt and kind of a b***h....you might want to talk to someone professional. You are radiating rage and saying some really inaccurate stuff about being a mentally healthy person. You won't listen cuz nobody on the internet does. But I feel bad for you. Life doesn't have to feel so hard. If you feel behind in development don't try to power thru. Get some help. Therapy for life!

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Spooky Scary Skeletons
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This smells of a BS story a breeder made up because they're jealous of child-free people.

Tamra
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet, if it weren't for "breeders" you wouldn't be here on the internet, posting your edgy little comments. Give your "breeders" a call today and thank them.

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Alina Mihai
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I can't believe the comments on this post. Not everyone likes your little angels or wants to interact with them. I've known since my earliest memories that I was childfree.

Tabby
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Whyyyyyyy are the parents not getting involved here? You’re never too busy talking to keep at least one eye on your kids (whether they be a 4 year old or arsehole teenager)

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Maybe they do, but because the parents are cool with Brandon’s behaviour the OP prefers to play it down.

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Andy
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He is being a d**k, but at the same time it's just the usual stroppy arsehollyness you get from most teenagers. What 16 year old wants to spend every second weekend hanging out with small children? Childfree is just a buzzword he has picked up and probably used because he thinks is makes him sound cool and different.

Jp@nda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nowhere does it say that he's being forced to hang out with this kid. What he's doing is being cruel to a small child on purpose. I don't care who you are, you have every right to excuse yourself, but you don't get to ignore and make kids cry because you're a douche

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Josh Gilland
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm likely to be child free (open but only to the very right person), I'm also not a fan of young kids. However that doesn't entitle me to be a douchebag to kids. Sadly he's a perfect example of a lot of people. Using a term they have no clue what it means. Also feeling he's entitled to be a douchebag because of his beliefs. He really needs an adult in his life.

Bina Wei
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Agreed. Even people not comfortable with kids or spending time with them would've at least said "I'm busy, why don't you show (other person)?" Or something similar. Not just pretend they're not there.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I actually loved this and could not stop laughing at this lil shithead. As someone who is ACTUALLY child free I hate to burst his bubble. That does not mean children no longer exist in your hemisphere. And he IS a child. Does this mean I would be within my rights to just ignore him if he were to speak to me? Teenagers are so awful so often. Ironic HE reminded me why I am glad to not be a parent.

Anna Jefferson
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He's 16 so not really a child. He's almost an adult. But I agree he didn't need to be a douchebag to his cousin. I'm child free too but still treat my cousin's kids with kindness when I see them (I dont see them that often because they live over 200 miles away).

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deanna woods
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This Brandon kid is a sad individual. I am child free, but when they are around me, I try to be as kind to them as possible. I work in retail and they like to play with the shopping bag carousel. I don't say anything to them and I am still very polite with them. Children like to talk to older people, especially family members, and this guy's behavior shows that he is truly the immature one.

Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I’d have more sympathy for this view if we heard Brandon’s perspective.

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Valden
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This one gave flashbacks. I'm not sure how old I was, but it was less than sixteen because I was not working at the time. My uncle was visiting from out of state, and his young children wanted to go play at the local park. No big deal. I walked with my uncle to show him where it was. I stuck around helping to push his kids and my younger brother on the swings. Well, the youngest of his children, a girl about 3 or 4 yo, wanted to get in the swing. I said, "Wait, and let me ask your dad." She started freaking out and crying like I slapped her upside the head. I never wanted children, but that day cemented the belief in my mind. I realized just how much I can't handle irrational people, and children are a powderkeg of irrational. Since then, I have been a huge anti child person. Never once held a baby or infant. When my younger brother had his first child, my wife told him not to get upset when I refuse to hold his baby. However, even as a teen, I have never been a jerk to a child. I helped babysit my nieces and nephews when they were little. Children crying in public does not even phase me. My point being, I don't think it's natural behavior for anyone to be mean to a child. Even a teenager.

Best Behave
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. You called him out, he explained his position. There’s not much more you can do. …. Except… it is possible that Brandon doesn’t know how to interact with young kids. It doesn’t come natural to everyone. The bluster is a way from deflecting that if challenged. It may well be worth approaching from that position again. If that Is the case B is unlikely to be feeling good about it, and may be open to exploring strategies when not on the defensive. I can already hear the clicking of downvotes , however if this is successful it will benefit B, but more importantly mean that his little cousin is then able to have the attention she wants from big cousin Brandon

The Other Guest
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You don't have to know how to act around kids to know that generally speaking it's rude to ignore someone. A simple, "That's great, why don't you show Auntie your drawings?" is sufficient.

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Carole G.
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wow! Hurting a 4 years old feelings. He's gonna grow up to be some piece of work...I hope his parents step up & teach him to be a better person.

Ron Baza
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Wow! Shaming your family online, and trying to cause trouble for your siblings with both your parents and your wider family. The OP is gonna grow up to be some piece of work… I hope their parents step up & teach them to be a better person.

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Ron Baza
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We don’t have Brandon’s version of events. We do know that he has to spend every other weekend with a four-year-old, which is no 16-year-old’s idea of fun. We do know that, whatever the reality of his behaviour, it doesn’t bother the four-year-old’s parents. And if this is something that’s been the case every other weekend, they’ve had plenty of time to form a view. We also know that Brandon’s sibling is keen to stick their oar in, cause of argument in fro t of their family, and try to shame them to strangers on the internet. And we know the worst thing Brandon has done is… walk away from something he doesn’t like? There may be some compelling details that I’m overlooking, but in lieu of that I’m firmly on Team Brandon.

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's irrelevant what the circumstances are. Just walking away from a little kid showing you a picture is mean. HE is a mean child. Does he want someone to treat him that way? I'm guessing no. Being s****y to people smaller than you is generally a good habit to break.

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Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I find male children who declare they will be child free HILARIOUS. Watch their faces when you ask when they are getting a vasectomy.....ohhhhh behbeh. What they mean is they are going to refuse responsibility for any children they may cause 4/5. They aren't clear on how to be a child free man guaranteed i e. Celibate or snipped. They think it's just like a moral declaration. And anti abortion AND planning to be child free? They give me the sillies.

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Cassi Lyris
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

NTA. Deciding to be childfree is absolutely 100% fine, even at 16. Deciding to be an àsshole is wrong at any age.

Alex Mosby
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That kid is a jerk and on a power trip. I doubt he'd be so rude to someone he didn't like that was older.

Bina Wei
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Literally not what childfree means too. - Someone who is childfree bc of health and trauma reasons. If a kid came up to me I wouldn't be like ignoring them. I might not respond with the most enthusiasm bc I'm not used to dealing with kids and i have social anxiety (so mostly it'd be confusion and awkwardness), but i wouldn't pretend they don't exist. That's what my house is for - bc they actually don't exist there.

R Dennis
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Eh. My daughter is 16. Says she doesn't want kids. But hangs out and plays with her younger cousins and niece.That kid isn't being a teen, he is being a jerk. As a parent, we would be having a conversation about behavior, kindness, and how to treat others. The world doesn't need more a******s.

Ray Arani
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

One, Brandon should be taught what child free means, and that he still needs to treat children he finds himself around with common decency and respect, since he will find himself around kids throughout his life even if he chooses none for himself . Childfree doesn't mean you decide not to ever have to interact with children. They are people and have just as much a right to exist and be treated with respect as adults. Second, this is a teaching moment for OP with the 4 year old. Four is old enough to be able to have a conversation about safe and unsafe people of different types, and that sometimes you'll also encounter people who aren't nice, and that it's not our job to teach them to be nice. Teach her that people who are openly mean don't deserve her attention. She can choose an a*****e free lifestyle. Might want to pick a different label for it, (or not if she won't get in too much trouble for the swear). Demonstrate by doing so yourself and icing him out entirely until he learns

GingerPanda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think this situation is partially the AITA subreddit's fault. They are often so vehemently pro child-free that jerks are starting to use it as an excuse to be rude. I'm child-free myself, and I hate when people act like I am less of an adult because I don't have kids, but sometimes I think these ruling go too far to approve of people banning children from family events. But to each, their own. It's good that they shut down this kid as well as that 20-year-old bride who wanted to ban her friend who was a couple years younger so that her wedding could be "child-free." Maybe it acts as a kind of checks and balances.

Anna Jefferson
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

18 is an ADULT. since 18 is two years younger than her it doesn't male sense. But she is entitled to a child free wedding because its her and her fiancé's wedding.

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Mine Truly
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree that he shouldn't treat her like that. But if he can't stand to be civil to a 4 year old, he needs to completely remove himself from the area when she's around. He should go to a friend's house or the mall or something so he's not putting himself in a situation where the only way he can enforce his boundaries is by being rude to a little girl. The solution for not wanting to be around someone is to not be around them, not to be around them and then punish them for their existence.

Elizabeth Bearup
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is true. He feels Uncomfortable around children and chooses not to be a childbearing parent in the future for the same reasons perhaps

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Randy Perez
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I love this generation of people that can justify running away from unpleasant situations and needing their "space". He has every right to not want to be with the child, especially if he's obligated to take care of a child, but he has no right to hurt that little girl that clearly likes him. Her parents are garbage and his parents are also garbage. Sibling should call him out but also be big enough to tell the parents

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was JUST talking about this! It is GREAT to be aware of mental health and treat it like actual health care. Fabulous to advocate for one's needs....but they have ZERO ability to just suck it up and handle s**t. Your fefees are not going to put a roof over your head, kids. Might want to figure out how to handle stuff without just walking away, throwing up your hands or calling a mental health day. They're all going to be living in cardboard boxes talking about how self aware they are hahaha

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Joe Hurd
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm a parent and despise other people's kids for numerous reasons

Elizabeth Bearup
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel this Brandon falls in that category also. Why does he not want kids.. he likely feels that others - on this case, his aunt and uncle probably shouldn’t have for the same reasons…?

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Pattie B
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is such a hilarious interpretation of childfree. I'm a vegetarian, I'm gonna start pretending meat and meat eaters don't exist. "You had a WHAT for lunch? A hamburger?! There's no such thing as a hamburger! Get out of here with your damn dirty lies!"

Ash Conner
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You need to have a talk with your parents and the little girl's parents. If he doesn't want to participate with her then they need to help him come up with something polite to say to her. What he's doing is abuse. He may not understand it's abuse but somebody needs to explain that to him like your parents. When he does this around a girl he likes he'll get the message when the girl thinks he's a huge a******. Or even his friends would probably think he's a huge a******. Everybody should treat everybody with respect. She is a family member and has every right to be there without being mentally abused.

Houseof No
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Looks to me like this person's rudeness has nothing to do with being childfree. Apparently he is an equal opportunity a-hole to everyone. If it were me, I would not only ban this person from my home but disown that person totally. I might add he is setting a terrible example by his disrespect. Looks to me like this person has some sort of antisocial personality disorder. Hope this disrespectful person can get some professional help.

Liesl English
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really don't understand the person who said it's not her problem because the parents also don't care? It's said but just move on? I'm glad SOMEBODY is trying to look out for this 4 year old and her feelings. I'm annoyed it's not the parents, but I'm not going to shame or put down the cousin for trying to be a decent, compassionate person.

Lois Forbes
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I agree. Bradon needs to state just as defiantly to his parents, that he is child free and refuses to associate with his young cousin. Let's see how far that gets him. I imagine his sister has probably protected the young cousins feelings more than once. She sounds considerably more mature than her brother.

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michele mbennett1010@att.net
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brandon is a teenager exhibiting typical socially ineptitude along with their incredibly self centered a*****e behavior. This does not mean he gets to get away with boorish rude behavior. He needs a total attitude adjustment and understanding of what is acceptable when interacting with ANYONE regardless of age, gender or relationship. His parents are failing to teach him these very important social mores. His declaration that he is "childless " is straight up BS!

Lathrop L. d S T
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Pfft. I was stuck with my younger cousins and it was battle royale. They attacked me and I swatted them around. It's family tradition and I never saw it differently. They were conniving, scheming little monsters that made themselves impossible to ignore - eye-poking, shrieking, biting. I feel for this guy. I was left alone and to my own devices growing up, made to be just another adult in the group. I detested my birthday and begged not to have "any disgusting kids" in it. I was four when I stated this. Still avoiding children as much as I can, to this day. (Luckily, there are not many of them in the Swiss canton where I live)

Deitra Pawley
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You were probably a lot of fun to be around as a child, also I find it ironic that you didn't want any disgusting kids around at four years old considering how you yourself were a child too,you brat.

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Ivana Bašić
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wonder how Brandon, being still a kid himself, would feel if people just got up and walked away from him when he tried to talk to them. He doesn't sound very charming.

Misa Ashizuri
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My question would be if the cousins are being forced to stick with and interact with the toddler. He doesn't have to be an a*****e to her, and getting acclimated to kids is not a bad thing at all- children deserve kindness. However, it is a pain when the little ones are dumped on you without a by-your-leave, and are expected to babysit without any kind of compensation. That probably isn't the case here, but being forced to interact ain't right, either. MOST teenagers have no idea how to deal with toddlers unless they have them in their family. I remember being the baby cousin wishing that my cousins would stop getting older so I could catch up and play with them. But thing is, I WAS the baby cousin and the stuff that a self-interested teen likes would have been boring as hell, and this kid ain't learned his elbow from his a*s. I think better expectations and communication would help everyone- expectations of behavior, letting the teen know that people DO care about his feelings, too.

Nonya Business
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It is totally a pain to be forced to babysit, and I would get it is Brandon expressed his frustration towards the people who are expecting him to watch his cousin without his consent. That said, shunning a child for being a child is a horrible punishment for something she has no control over. It sounds like the parents of the 4 year old are not concerned about her emotional/social well-being and I am scared for this kid.

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Jade Hei
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This boy seriously needs to be taught some manners and basic humanity. I'm child free but I like spending time with the kids in my family. Kids are great! It's of course also okay to not like spending time with kids, but it is not okay to act poorly when around children. Everyone should treat kids with basic kindness, even if they don't like them. That's the bare minimum.

Sami-Jo Ross
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm not good with kids, but I'll be damned if I decide to be a prick to a little kid. The parents need to step in and discipline him somehow.

Spalding Monn
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

16 uear old doesn't have to play or I teract much with a 4 uear old cousin. However, his actions are those of an AH. Being a teenager has never been an acceptable excuse for being an AH and that is what he is.

Deitra Pawley
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

When my older brother was 16 he said "I don't ever want kids" cut to two decades later he has five kids lol 😆. Hopefully Brandon will mature, but right now he's an A hole . The kid just wants to show him their drawings, not that hard even if he has to fake enthusiasm would be better than just ignoring the kid and yes kids do remember stuff. They may get timelines wrong but they remember.

Chris Conley
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Hey OP. You say the adults are busy talking with each other, why didn’t you bring their attention to this situation right when it happened? Would your parents/aunt/uncle/grandparents tolerate this kind of behavior?

Kristine Masta
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I found this post disturbing. Is there more to this story? Is this 16 year old showing anti-social behaviors? Why are the parents/family allowing this behavior towards a 4 year old? We, unfortunately, live in a world which behaviors like this can turn violent I never had the baby clock, it also did not happen at 16 - I also adore children and have such wonderful influences upon their growth and development Something is really wrong here

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sick so I have had waayyyy too much time to read all the comments. And make them. There seems to be 3 camps. 1) The "when a little kid brings you a play phone you answer it or you are nuts" mentality. 2) The " he is within his rights to behave that way but it wasn't nice" mentality. 3) And " It is fine to act however, wherever, for whatever reason cuz you do you, boo" mentality...Very interesting. I want to know if it is generational. I would bet a body part it is. Best wishes to all the Pandas.

Jp@nda
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm interested, and I do enjoy some good statistical analysis. So what age ranges do you believe that these three camps can be broken down into?

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LayDiva in the Zone
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

WTH is wrong with people? Parents should be paying attention to a child in distress. Why is he against this particular child? There's something else going on, but it's time for the poster to bring it up to the parents. This young adult shouldn't have to deal with this weirdness, tell ALL of them that you're child and sucker free, and deal with their kids. Drop mic and exit stage left.

Mary Pigott
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Nobody cared that, as a child, I was the youngest of everyone. My closest in age cousin ignored me, my brothers ignored me, the parents mostly ignored me at gatherings until people got drunk. Sometimes the wrong people would notice me. Luckily I was on to perverts at an early age.

Deep One
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Brandon needs his butt kicked up between his ears. At 15 only a sociopath hurts a 4 year old.

Rita Rose
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Here's a script for the teen when he doesn't want to interact with a 4 year old showing her art - "wow that's nice, but do you know who would like it even more? Mummy and daddy!!!!"... Simple and works!

The Last Silent Tiger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why are there no comments on OP being an AH? One sided article. I think OP is an AH. I am disregarding Brandon's status on AH for this. 1. OP's own account, they accosted B about his actions. They didn't open up a conversation and discuss it with him, they told him. Strike 1. 2. It's B's decision who he wants to interact with and OP shouldn't force him to interact with someone he doesn't want to. Why does it seem like there is an underlying issue with Brandon and why he doesn't want to interact. From all accounts he's not mean to her, just ignores her and removes himself from the situation. Not antagonistic or offensive towards child.

The Last Silent Tiger
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Is Brandon AH? I don't think we have enough information. 1. What is underlying situation? Sound like it's possible that family is expecting B to be babysitter and/or entertain young cousin. 2. What is B's attitude? Is his attitude misogynistic or other problems? Like to know before I judge B

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donkey high
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hope he ends up in debt, then the cousin wins the lottery. So when he pops over to beg for money, she'll just have her butler open the door, look around some as if he can't see anyone, then yell back to her "yea there's no one here, must have been some kids or the wind.." as he closes the door in the face of the douche.. Then when he asks the other family members why she won't help him, they can tell him she said she's "poor-free", so she won't acknowledge him.

Venice
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think he knows what " childfree" really means. He's gonna be interacting with children in some capacity or the other in life. At a store, in the mall, possibly his work. He may be in a position to save a child life one day, so unless he plans to live under a rock, he needs to start growing up. His cousin won't be a kid forever and someday may need help from them. Someone needs to give him a sit down and serious lecture. Good manners cast nothing. He sounds very spoilt.

Melissa Krainski
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You can't childproof the world, you must worldproof the child. Just tell the 4 year old that "Brandon" is just mean and to stay away from him. But "everbody else wants to see your drawings. Can I see?"

Markus He/It/E/Cloud/Ti
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm 16. I hate young children on multiple levels. Anyone below the age of 12 can get tf away from me. But I know how to play nice, and I will when my brother has kids. I may not know what to do with kids but I'll do my best to not be mean. But at the same time, I can understand why this kid wants to just ignore the child instead

Marko Požarnik
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people just hate children, no matter whose they are. If they don't want to interact with them, they don't. I don't understand why anyone should be forced to interact with children and pretending to be interested or whatever. Leave the boy alone, tell the child to stay away from him and the problem is solved.

Jonathan Nichols
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

His parents should decide they are childfree and stop housing and feeding such a worthless little s**t

Kevin Felton
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My instinct is to stick up for this kid because I think it's important to encourage teenagers to make responsible decisions, but honestly it sounds like he's just using this as an excuse to act like a douche. I get it children are the worst. Having a child intentionally is the most selfish thing anyone can do on this overpopulated rock. But this is a 4 year old girl trying to show you a picture, not a gold digger poking a holes in your condoms. Take 2 seconds to smile and complinent the picture you entitled little prick.

David
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Good Lord BP, PLEASE stop using super obvious AITA threads as 'filler'. Nobody in their right mind is going to say OP is the Ahole or that Brandon ISN'T the Ahole.

GuyYouMetOnline
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't get why people like the OP think they even MIGHT be in the wrong in situations like this. There's no question the brother is the one in the wrong here.

Dick Keith
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At 16 we're pretty sure we completely figured the world out. Anyone who disagrees isn't as bright as us. Basically, we're often a******s at 16. Naive, ignorant, & completely sure in our convictions no matter how wrong they are or how little sense they make. Logic isn't a strong suit at 16. It eventually goes away for almost everyone by our mid-20's. Seeing someone past the age of 30 still acting like a 16 year-old, it serves as a kick in the a*s to grow up because no one wants to be that guy. Fortunately, we get wiser once we start understanding how little we actually know in the broad scheme of life. Basically, just ignore a 16 year-old being stupid. It's what 16 year-olds do. Ten years from now, you'll make fun of him for his "child free" phase. He'll be a little embarrassed & everybody will get a good laugh. By then the 4 year-old cousin will be in her know-it-all teenager phase & circle of life will repeat.

Guess Undheit
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7 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

They're demanding a 16 year old babysit for free, then whining when he doesn't want to do it. He doesn't insult, attack, or abuse the toddler, so they can all STFU.

Eliza May
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We understand small children want attention, as she should, and as she needs. Walking away from someone you are not interested in being around is not actively cruel. Because it hurts her feelings that she doesn't get what she wants, is resulting in the child's family pressuring the other young child to spend time with her. When is it all right to force a relationship? Yes, it would be *ideal* if at his age & stage of maturity, he'd take a few moments to acknowledge her & spare some kindness to her. But even in animal families, the least cruel way to escape a sibling or any othernunwanted play attention is to quietly get up and walk away. The rest of the family/relatives who have more maturity & generousity of spirit/patience should be addressing the smaller child's needs, not expecting the older child to tolerate what he is TRYING TO MAKE CLEAR - without physically pushing or telling her go away - that he can not.

Hoshi Reed
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This 4 year old bugging an adolescent is no different than a forced kiss or cheek pinch from aunt or hug from the smoking uncle. Everyone should be able to consent to their boundaries and comfort zone. If one is introverted enough, talking IS part of one's boundaries. Boundaries are not just limited to touch. Instead of being upset at the teen, use it to create/build a 4 year old and her own personal boundaries. NO doesn't have to be verbal or emphatic, YES does. Get ride of the whole: just be nice and say hi attitude. Get ride of, play along just this once, they will change their mind eventually so it is okay to push, etc. It is okay to just walk away if someone asks you a question or for help finding a lost puppy, so too can your cousin walk away from you.

Hoshi Reed
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Wouldn't we WANT a teen with anger, jealousy or other issues, to be "rude" and walk away rather than please the kid until they can't take any more and hurt the kid? What if the teen says: nice picture 1-2 times then, I don't care, go away the 3rd? Isn't that more hurtful? Or if he humors the kid until he can't take it any more and slaps her for being too pushy? Or, say they are fighting pedophilic tendencies (not all act on them but removing temptation is the best way to keep it that way). They are NOT going to say the truth to your face, why not let them hide behind a benign "child-free" lie?

Dawn Shields
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1 year ago

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Giobemo
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP should get the parents involved so they can tell their daughter to stay away from Brandon and give him his space. You can't force someone to interact with anyone they don't want to. Why is no one respecting Brandon's wish to be left alone? If the 4-year-old were older she would be able to take a hint and steer clear, but instead she keeps trying to engage him against his express will. Can you imagine if it were the opposite and a 16yo uncle wouldn't leave his 4yo niece alone? If he just kept pushing and pushing? They would definitely tell unks to leave her alone and cool it. If it makes you feel better, it probably is just an obnoxious little phase he's going through, but forcing him to interact with someone he chooses not to is not going to help anyone. Teach him some good polite ways to shoot someone down instead and empower him to claim his space in a more socially acceptable way.

Sordatos
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

BS, you don't have to interact with the kids if you don't want to, that's their parents job, or babysitter...

Marko Požarnik
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1 year ago

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Nadine H
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The kid doesn't wanna be pestered by an annoying 4 year old. Neither do I. And I am 74 and I never liked kids. I think you guys are parents and get all soppy about kids. The real solution here is to keep him away from the 4 year old. He is entitled to a little respect too. But no one is thinking of hime--only the little kid. I would blech if a toddler showed me her drawings. Mind you, I would say, "very nice, dear" of course. But I would then find something else I had to do just then. Leave Brandon alone and let him be blissfully childless. There are way too many little kids in the world, as it is.

Elena Guerrero
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Look, I was once his age and felt the same, I didn’t want kids till my late 30s but my thing is if he doesn’t want to be around kids then he shouldn’t be look down upon, eventually he’ll grow out of it…maybe.

Nathan Temple
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

He should send his brother links about people who had children that didn't plan on it, because I'm pretty sure that's like 70% of everyone ever born.

Boblawblaslawblog
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I really think something deeper is going on here. I think OP's brother is resentful of the toddler "sucking the air out of the room", so to speak. He probably has got less and less attention from family since he's getting older, while the family pays attention to the cousin now. He's acting like this for some reason. Honestly, rather than shaming and admonishing him, his family, including OP, need to root cause this behavior. It could be an indicator of something more serious.

Joseph Matthews
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is how 'child free' people are. They hate their parents and take it out on other parents while never acknowledging the harm they are doing to other children. Just a more direct example. It's like the new 'atheist' it used to mean you just didn't believe in or really even think or care about religion then it morphed into 'actually I know everything about religion and I can prove you wrong if you are religious with my ten point plan.' 'child free' used to mean you just didn't want or even think much about having kids and now it means having children makes you the enemy.

Scott T Brynildsen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Most of you are attempting to put your opinions onto a child who has already established his boundaries, and you're all failing. You're calling him a monster for not doing what YOU WOULD DO. You're not him. He's a teenager. Would you rather he engaged and then was dismissive? Would you rather he was rude? Would you rather he tell this little girl that he doesn't want to talk to her? You're all being a******s based on what YOU would do, but IT'S NOT ABOUT YOU. He had his reasons. Let him have them because there are other options as to how he could be interacting with her, so be grateful he's being polite.

Vicki Mathison
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why is he REQUIRED to interact with this 4 year old. Why is a ah if he doesn't. Hes old enough to say no I don't want to play or even acknowledge that child. Its not his child. Leave him alone. Yes most who choose to be child free actually like child. Some DONT. He is ALLOWED TO NOT LIKE KIDS. Most of my youth I HATED CHILDREN. I like those who i have formed a relationship with now like neighbor kids or SOME of my friends kids. But as a whole NOPE, not a fan.

Aria Whitaker
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1 year ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Who cares if it is "not his child"? My God, the kid is still a PERSON. Were you not taught to treat others with respect? To not act rudely towards others? I dont give a flying fig how old a person is, you dont ignore them when they are doing NOTHING untoward to you (but being a certain age, forgot about that SIN) ...you dont just walk away when others are speaking...why don't you know this?? Basic manners and decency! Something we were supposed to learn as...wait for it....kids and teens!! Clearly he was not taught either by his parents...and he is not the only one.

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Christina Swindell
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The people badmouthing Brandon have clearly forgotten what it's like being a teenager. The 4yr is not going to remember the incident as they get older and start hanging out with their friends. The parents just need to talk to them both and not force him to do something that he clearly does not like to do. He will eventually start interacting with the kid and others when he gets older and becomes a mature adult. Right now he is just a kid who doesn't like being pestered by other kids.

Yargarble
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sheesh! Everybody going on about what this kid does or doesn't know, how he should act towards children, blah blah blah. He's a SIXTEEN yr. old little punk that thinks he has the whole world figured out when what he really knows is Jack Sh*t! And Jack left town. If all he's doing is ignoring and walking away, consider it a blessing. That is so mild it isn't even abuse when it's coming from a SIXTEEN yr. old boy. Get a grip people.

Just saying
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's possible he's realised he's attracted to kids and wants to avoid them.

Stephanie
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op literally say he's not being rude or mean. What's the issue. So he's using the term childfree wrong. No one should be mean to innocent kids but sounds to me like he just wants the kid kept away from him and no one is respecting his wishes. Why does a kid cry when someone walks away? Seems fishy

Saara-Elina Kaukiainen
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA and so is your brother. Teenagers can be stupid and act stupid. Just leave him be and play with the kid yourself.

FuzzyOtterPaws
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So? Kids are f*****g annoying and they need to be treated like adults. I was extremely sheltered and it's been ruining my life only just now learning stuff about life I should have known before. There's NOTHING making you talk to annoying kids. Their drawings suck and I'm not wasting energy "pretending" to like something. Kids need to learn life isn't all sunshine and rainbows and there's many people who don't like socialization. I'm not apologizing for going with what I feel instead of PRETENDING. If people don't like it, too bad. I don't need to talk to random people or kids if I don't want to. People are too controlling.

Pandroid Rebellion
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm child free. I'm also really blunt and kind of a b***h....you might want to talk to someone professional. You are radiating rage and saying some really inaccurate stuff about being a mentally healthy person. You won't listen cuz nobody on the internet does. But I feel bad for you. Life doesn't have to feel so hard. If you feel behind in development don't try to power thru. Get some help. Therapy for life!

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Spooky Scary Skeletons
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This smells of a BS story a breeder made up because they're jealous of child-free people.

Tamra
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1 year ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

And yet, if it weren't for "breeders" you wouldn't be here on the internet, posting your edgy little comments. Give your "breeders" a call today and thank them.

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Alina Mihai
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1 year ago

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I can't believe the comments on this post. Not everyone likes your little angels or wants to interact with them. I've known since my earliest memories that I was childfree.

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