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Woman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just Her
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Woman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just Her

Interview With Expert Woman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just HerWoman's People-Pleasing Friend Kept Acting Like A Martyr On Their Trip, She Could Not Stand Her Woman Feels Like Her Friend Is Simply Too Nice To A Toxic Degree, Asks Netizens If They See It Too Friend's Self-Sacrificing Persona Gets On Woman's Nerves During Their Holiday, She Asks For AdviceWoman Is Sick Of Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Asks If She Is Being Mean About It“Don’t Travel With Her Again”: Woman Advised To Steer Clear Of Annoying People-Pleasing FriendNetizens Think Woman Dislikes Kind Friend After She Complains About Her Woman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just HerWoman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just HerWoman Is Fed Up With Her Toxically Sweet Friend, Wonders If It’s Not Just Her
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Sometimes, someone might go too far to get another person to like them. They might agree with everything they say, do whatever they want, and put on a pleasing facade. Although it might seem like the best tactic to build a friendship, it’s actually the worst way to go about it.

That’s exactly what happened between these two friends when one woman bent over backward and gave in to everything the other woman wanted to do. It was a pretty annoying experience for the poster, but her story left netizens divided.

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Woman’s overly nice behavior on holiday fills friend with suppressed rage, and she ends up venting about it online

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The poster explained that she and her husband invited an old friend on holiday with them to Europe since they had a place to stay there and a boat

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But the holiday didn’t go as planned because even though the friend seemed to be very thoughtful and considerate, the poster felt like it was all an act

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The friend kept putting herself down or acting like a martyr in different situations, and this only made the woman feel more annoyed

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The poster explained that although this friend had always been a people pleaser, her behavior on the trip was just too much to handle

The Original Poster (OP) shared that the woman used to be her neighbor. She clarified that although they were never close friends, she liked the woman and enjoyed conversations with her since they worked in similar careers. She did tell netizens that “I guess, deep down, to be honest, I always considered her a bit of a wet blanket compared to my other friends.”

But the poster and her husband took pity on the woman and decided to invite her on their holiday because she had been going through a divorce from her ex-husband. This turned out to be a bad decision because the lady spent her whole time “pretending” to be thoughtful and considerate, which the OP found incredibly irritating.

This is quite common behavior for people pleasers. They find it hard to say no to others, tend to overcommit, never advocate for their needs, and avoid disagreeing with others. That’s exactly what the woman was doing, but it seemed like she was going to extreme extents to make herself seem more agreeable. 

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Most people pleasers think that by being thoughtful and considerate, people will like them more. In fact, this kind of behavior may often have the opposite effect. It might come across as a lack of confidence, low self-esteem, or insecurity. Sometimes, people even feel contempt and annoyance toward such extreme people-pleasing.

To understand more about people-pleasing and its effect on friendships, Bored Panda interviewed Dr. Carla Manly, a clinical psychologist, life fulfillment expert, and author of The Joy of Imperfect Love. She also started a podcast called Imperfect Love to help people discover how to transform love’s struggles and flaws into uplifting growth.

Dr. Carla said that “although some people are naturally wired to have more people-pleasing tendencies, extreme people-pleasing often results from mental health concerns including attachment issues, anxiety, or PTSD. Depending on your personality, a friend’s chronic people-pleasing behaviors can give rise to a variety of feelings ranging from confusion and irritation to anger, resentment, and disgust.”

“In cases where people-pleasing is coupled with passive-aggressive behavior, the toxic dynamic can lead to resentment and anger. In essence, extreme people-pleasing will affect each friendship differently; the outcome depends on each friend’s personality, the nature of the dynamics, and the friends’ mutual interest in fostering healthy interactions that feel good to both people,” she added.

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The poster did clarify that the woman wasn’t meek in her normal life and was a “very senior professional in a very high-powered international role in a male-dominated field.” But, she also stated that the lady’s recent breakup with her ex could have affected her in more ways than one and may have led to this kind of behavior.

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We asked Dr. Carla what someone could do if they found an aspect of their friend’s personality annoying. She said: “it’s important to pause to see if you can nonjudgmentally ‘make space’ for differences that aren’t harmful. As we are all imperfect humans, we can foster our own personal growth by mindfully allowing for others’ differences. However, it’s not always possible to overlook certain personality traits or behaviors, especially when the issues are on the extreme end of the spectrum.”

“If you find a friend’s actions or certain personality traits extremely grating, it’s important to voice your concerns in a gentle, nonjudgmental way using I-statements. For example, if your friend people-pleases to the point of being a doormat, you might say, ‘I feel uneasy when it appears you are extremely accommodating to everyone. I feel triggered, as I worry that others might take advantage of you.’ I-statements allow the speaker to express their feelings and concerns without casting any blame or shame on the other person’s actions.” 

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Counselors also state that people-pleasing can be unlearnt. It’s important for people to slowly learn to prioritize their own needs and say no if they truly don’t want to do something. Even if they fall back into old patterns, it’s important to lead with self-compassion. Slowly setting boundaries is the best way to overcome being a people-pleaser.

Dr. Carla also stated that “friendships can surely be negatively impacted if one person continually disregards their own feelings, needs, and wants in favor of the other person’s desires. The healthiest of relationships tend to be highly reciprocal in nature, with respect for each person’s perspectives and needs. However, some people do not have strong preferences or desires and may naturally gravitate toward those who are more assertive or have strong opinions.” 

“It’s important to slow down to notice if a friend is ‘giving in,’ being passive-aggressive, or if they are simply more ‘go with the flow’ in nature. Some friendships thrive when one person is more passive or relaxed in their preferences and needs while the other enjoys being the leader. However, a friend has needs and preferences that aren’t being voiced due to issues such as low self-esteem, a lack of confidence, poor communication skills, or passive-aggressive tendencies, the friendship can erode over time,” she added.

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It truly seems like the woman just wanted to be extra nice to her friend who had invited her on a holiday. But, her actions backfired and annoyed the poster instead. It just goes to show that sometimes, the things we do with the best intentions may not work out as we hoped. At least we know for sure that these two women won’t be taking a trip together again anytime soon.

So, whose side are you on after reading this story? Let us know in the comments.

Netizens did agree that such extreme people-pleasing could be annoying, but they also felt like the poster didn’t like her friend at all

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Do you think the poster should have addressed her feelings with her friend during the trip?
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Weasel Wise
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP sounds like a miserable person to be around. Getting mad because a person is overly accommodating and lacks in selfish behavior?!

Andy
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, it sounds like the person may have been being a bit over the top (the bit about the toddler at the other table is a bit weird), but if she is a guest of this couple in their apartment ,then it's normal behaviour to defer to them and want to just go with the flow. Especially if she had not been here before, she likely would have been happy doing what they had planned rather than pushing anything specific herself

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Yu Pan
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel there are ways to gauge her true intentions... Like with ice cream. When she asked to buy ice cream, why not just say, "he doesn't like ice cream, but if you'd like to get him chocolate that'll be sweet" and see how she responded. The same thing with planned trip. Why not just tell her, "We planned this for you, so if you don't want to go, we'll scrap it". And the incident with dinner... What's wrong with just letting her take her plate to the mom? The mom can tell her off (or accept it). No need to take it upon yourself to monitor their behaviors.

Ms.GB
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op wants to make it a problem. So you don't like her because she too nice, you don't have to be bff's or anything but you're telling me that you can't put up with niceness for a few days without getting so angry that you had to give her attitude, plan to exclude her from any future trips and make a long post about it on reddit. I think the real question is why op is so bothered by this seemingly kind/accomodating behavior.

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Momma Jess
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Recovering people pleaser here. Not everyone is going to be compatible as friends in life, but wow, OP sounds like a jerk. I'm an over accommodating person, I like my guests to be comfortable and taken care of, and if I'm visiting someone I try to he helpful and unobtrusive. Do NOT underestimate my kindness and mistake it for weakness. Maybe the person that went on the holiday is neurodivergent? Chill out and just don't invite back, no reason to be a jerk about her, good grief!

Bec
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, I am too and while my self-esteem is a bit better nowadays, I still have trouble when asked what I want (to eat, as a gift, what to do for fun). I really really can't answer because 1) I am not deserving and 2) I just want to make everyone else happy.

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Marno C.
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think some of OP's irritation comes from her friend just not listening when told 'no.' No, my son doesn't like ice cream. No, those people don't want your salad for your toddler. No, this party is for everyone including you. When you tell someone something and they whitter on, especially in a way that doesn't help the situation or is actually going to cause problems, it gets irritating. It can be frustrating when a person repeatedly cannot read the room even when the room is dotted with simple, declarative, informational signs.

Kill-Bunny
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, my eye started twitching when I was reading this. OP just described how my extremely narcissistic and mentally abusive mother acts in public around me or other people (victims) she is seeking to control. This behavior is the reason I never got help while being a kid/teen, because "your mother is so nice and self-sacrificing". BS. It's so difficult for other people to understand, that some forms of positivity, self sacrifice are also forms of narcissistic torture.

Pamacious
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES. It's scary how few people in comments recognize this "nice" friend as a viper. Nice isn't the same as kind, and niceness is so often used as a way to get close enough to and/or get away with doing harm.

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Mireille Oosterhof
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been there, and I also got a twitchy left eye while experiencing a similar situation. There is "being considerate about the other people in the room" and there is "oh, no, do not spend energy on me. I will just find a dumpster and dig up some food from there". Its a fine balancing game between being a good host and being a good guest, and not everybody manages that balance.

Libstak
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people are people pleasers because they have been unfairly snickered about and misjudged in the past by bullies and egomaniacs that want to isolate and degrade them to make themselves look better. This will make people like her insecure and absolutely determined not to be a bother and to be overly helpful and attentive to others. I know, I've been there, it's a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation that is paralysing and impossible to get out of once it has a hold of you. OP is the type of random judge about every little behaviour quirk individual that will set someone like the friend off. Perfect example, I come into work and say hi to everyone and get a snide, "you don't have to disrupt the whole office saying hi every day". So I stop and just say hi to my nearest desk mate, then it's "pitch doesn't even have enough manners to say good morning, how rude". Yes it really happened, same clicky group of girls and going to town on it when out for drinks with management and other work teams, it led to manic depression and severe panic attacks.

Cora Van der Gaag
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The next time you come in the office just go up to that person and scream very loudly in her/his ear “Good morning” and keep doing it for the next few times. Those people are just bullies and need a lesson.

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ValdaDeDieu
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a book I'd like you to read called Envious Casca by Georgette Heyer. It's brillant, well-written, a murder mystery surrounding a character who seems well meaning, but manages to make everyone miserable. Turns out, that person is a sick sociopath, who sucks up the misery they cause. They're quite aware of what they're doing, and make others miserable for feeling irritated at them. Bottom line? Life is too short. Do not spend time with people who get on your nerves. The bigger picture and truth is that people do know what they are doing. You say your friend is bright? That she's somewhat successful? That tells you all you need to know. SHE KNOWS. Don't make any more excuses for her.

Debbie
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll probably be called a jerk, but I can't stand this humle/holier than thou attitude. Because being so overly humble isn't humble at all. (Yes, could be depression too but then again, would she go on this trip of she didn't want to?)

Rocky
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol. I'm OP for sure. This lady's "sweetness" "thoughtfulness" , was irrational and actually, very thoughtless. She could not given a single s**t to try to be accommodating or effectively helpful. Why the insisting on the ice cream? He doesn't like it. Why a salad for a toddler, not a homeless one who would be starving btw, be rational? The parents wouldn't have a starving toddler in the brink of death. This last weekend drive me mad. Selfish to lay decisions on others as well, avoiding the mental workload.

Kari Panda
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does no one think that maybe the overly sweet friend grew up in an abusive home or was in an abusive relationship? I‘ve been very much like that because growing up, my opinion never mattered and when I did voice it, it always had negative consequences for me. This behaviour is very difficult to get rid off.

Melissa Harris
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she's going through a devorce and is overly worried about children. Sounds like the devorce has something to with kids: wanting/not wanting/not being able to have children, etc I think the OP is over reacting thinking this woman was doing this on purpose or being false. She's clearly trying to minimize herself and her needs to an unhelpful point; which might be because she was in a controlling or abusive marriage. Instead of becoming irrationally annoyed the OP should have asked about this woman wellness.

Anxious&Bored Bear
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she has been taught that what she wants/likes doesn't matter nearly as much as what other people like/want, maybe by parents or a spouse. Maybe a choice of 2 options would be better than letting her guess what she thinks someone else likes/wants would be better for her and her companions.

TribbleThinking
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A breakup can be like a bereavement. But unlike a bereavement, people tend to be a lot less aware that you might be experiencing some of the common effects like loss of appetite. I've experienced both. My friend calls it "the stupid bastard diet". Everything tastes like cardboard, so quite frankly, I'd only be eating to be polite and sensible(to not starve). But if there was only bread available, I'm the obvious one for it, as it would all taste the same. The same would go with "what would you like to do?". Everything doesn't really matter and quite frankly feels as meaningless, but I love my friends and don't want to keep saying that about EVERYTHING (which would be the truth). I Hope this helps a bit.

Melissa Harris
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What you're describing is depression. A breakup or devorce can definitely cause depression. Grief can also include depressive feelings.

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Jay Cee
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep, 100% meek guest team here. sometimes fitting in to an established group can be difficult. OP should lighten up.

Roberta Surprenant
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How dare the friend try to be nice or sweet, she was supposed to be as sour as the OP!

Earonn -
Community Member
1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know someone talking like that, and for her (not necessarily for OP's friend) it's a case of trauma response to abuse, and if I ever manage to lay hands on the person who f****d up my friend like this, there literally will be bl00d.

Kat
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in eastern Europe and while growing up, when we went to visit my aunt or some close family, my grandmother and also my mother always acted like this, when they were offered f.e. some food. They were always like oh, I don´t want anything, don´t prepare anything for us etc. .. Some people just have that mentality in them, I don´t think they are doing it on purpose. But I absolutely understand why it make OP angry and I would probably have a conversation with that friend about it. It´s possible she doesn´t even realize how anoying it could be. But giving your food to someone else just bc theirs is a little late, that is too much, that makes me think she really likes to play a martyr. Or if you fed up with it, just let her have it. Let mother of that child confront her, if she is like oh, I don´t mind not going to party, just tell ok, it´s up to you if you want to go.

Dana Gordon
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a manager I was once told I could be intimidating so I went out of my way to be accommodating- not wanting it to bleed into friendships. Also if I was a guest, I was taught to never be an an inconvenience. But I learned over time to have a direct convo setting things straight at the beginning- agree to plan a couple things, ask her to research and plan an activity or too, & sprinkle in some days where you split up.

Meagan Glaser
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's ok to just admit you don't like someone, you don't gel. We don't pick our friends based on their merit or how good their karma is, there's no absolute scale to judge them on that everyone agreed to. You don't enjoy her company, so don't invite her company.

MR
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Both people sound annoying to be around, to be honest. OP sounds insufferable as there's virtually nothing directly wrong with what this lady was doing. It may be a bit much, but so what? Personally, this type of people pleasing isn't my thing. But I recognize it as my issue and not something I'd be taking out on her for.

Weasel Wise
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

OP sounds like a miserable person to be around. Getting mad because a person is overly accommodating and lacks in selfish behavior?!

Andy
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yeah, it sounds like the person may have been being a bit over the top (the bit about the toddler at the other table is a bit weird), but if she is a guest of this couple in their apartment ,then it's normal behaviour to defer to them and want to just go with the flow. Especially if she had not been here before, she likely would have been happy doing what they had planned rather than pushing anything specific herself

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Yu Pan
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel there are ways to gauge her true intentions... Like with ice cream. When she asked to buy ice cream, why not just say, "he doesn't like ice cream, but if you'd like to get him chocolate that'll be sweet" and see how she responded. The same thing with planned trip. Why not just tell her, "We planned this for you, so if you don't want to go, we'll scrap it". And the incident with dinner... What's wrong with just letting her take her plate to the mom? The mom can tell her off (or accept it). No need to take it upon yourself to monitor their behaviors.

Ms.GB
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Op wants to make it a problem. So you don't like her because she too nice, you don't have to be bff's or anything but you're telling me that you can't put up with niceness for a few days without getting so angry that you had to give her attitude, plan to exclude her from any future trips and make a long post about it on reddit. I think the real question is why op is so bothered by this seemingly kind/accomodating behavior.

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Momma Jess
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Recovering people pleaser here. Not everyone is going to be compatible as friends in life, but wow, OP sounds like a jerk. I'm an over accommodating person, I like my guests to be comfortable and taken care of, and if I'm visiting someone I try to he helpful and unobtrusive. Do NOT underestimate my kindness and mistake it for weakness. Maybe the person that went on the holiday is neurodivergent? Chill out and just don't invite back, no reason to be a jerk about her, good grief!

Bec
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, I am too and while my self-esteem is a bit better nowadays, I still have trouble when asked what I want (to eat, as a gift, what to do for fun). I really really can't answer because 1) I am not deserving and 2) I just want to make everyone else happy.

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Marno C.
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I think some of OP's irritation comes from her friend just not listening when told 'no.' No, my son doesn't like ice cream. No, those people don't want your salad for your toddler. No, this party is for everyone including you. When you tell someone something and they whitter on, especially in a way that doesn't help the situation or is actually going to cause problems, it gets irritating. It can be frustrating when a person repeatedly cannot read the room even when the room is dotted with simple, declarative, informational signs.

Kill-Bunny
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Honestly, my eye started twitching when I was reading this. OP just described how my extremely narcissistic and mentally abusive mother acts in public around me or other people (victims) she is seeking to control. This behavior is the reason I never got help while being a kid/teen, because "your mother is so nice and self-sacrificing". BS. It's so difficult for other people to understand, that some forms of positivity, self sacrifice are also forms of narcissistic torture.

Pamacious
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YES. It's scary how few people in comments recognize this "nice" friend as a viper. Nice isn't the same as kind, and niceness is so often used as a way to get close enough to and/or get away with doing harm.

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Mireille Oosterhof
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Been there, and I also got a twitchy left eye while experiencing a similar situation. There is "being considerate about the other people in the room" and there is "oh, no, do not spend energy on me. I will just find a dumpster and dig up some food from there". Its a fine balancing game between being a good host and being a good guest, and not everybody manages that balance.

Libstak
Community Member
3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Some people are people pleasers because they have been unfairly snickered about and misjudged in the past by bullies and egomaniacs that want to isolate and degrade them to make themselves look better. This will make people like her insecure and absolutely determined not to be a bother and to be overly helpful and attentive to others. I know, I've been there, it's a damned if you do and damned if you dont situation that is paralysing and impossible to get out of once it has a hold of you. OP is the type of random judge about every little behaviour quirk individual that will set someone like the friend off. Perfect example, I come into work and say hi to everyone and get a snide, "you don't have to disrupt the whole office saying hi every day". So I stop and just say hi to my nearest desk mate, then it's "pitch doesn't even have enough manners to say good morning, how rude". Yes it really happened, same clicky group of girls and going to town on it when out for drinks with management and other work teams, it led to manic depression and severe panic attacks.

Cora Van der Gaag
Community Member
2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The next time you come in the office just go up to that person and scream very loudly in her/his ear “Good morning” and keep doing it for the next few times. Those people are just bullies and need a lesson.

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ValdaDeDieu
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There is a book I'd like you to read called Envious Casca by Georgette Heyer. It's brillant, well-written, a murder mystery surrounding a character who seems well meaning, but manages to make everyone miserable. Turns out, that person is a sick sociopath, who sucks up the misery they cause. They're quite aware of what they're doing, and make others miserable for feeling irritated at them. Bottom line? Life is too short. Do not spend time with people who get on your nerves. The bigger picture and truth is that people do know what they are doing. You say your friend is bright? That she's somewhat successful? That tells you all you need to know. SHE KNOWS. Don't make any more excuses for her.

Debbie
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'll probably be called a jerk, but I can't stand this humle/holier than thou attitude. Because being so overly humble isn't humble at all. (Yes, could be depression too but then again, would she go on this trip of she didn't want to?)

Rocky
Community Member
2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Lol. I'm OP for sure. This lady's "sweetness" "thoughtfulness" , was irrational and actually, very thoughtless. She could not given a single s**t to try to be accommodating or effectively helpful. Why the insisting on the ice cream? He doesn't like it. Why a salad for a toddler, not a homeless one who would be starving btw, be rational? The parents wouldn't have a starving toddler in the brink of death. This last weekend drive me mad. Selfish to lay decisions on others as well, avoiding the mental workload.

Kari Panda
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Does no one think that maybe the overly sweet friend grew up in an abusive home or was in an abusive relationship? I‘ve been very much like that because growing up, my opinion never mattered and when I did voice it, it always had negative consequences for me. This behaviour is very difficult to get rid off.

Melissa Harris
Community Member
3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

So she's going through a devorce and is overly worried about children. Sounds like the devorce has something to with kids: wanting/not wanting/not being able to have children, etc I think the OP is over reacting thinking this woman was doing this on purpose or being false. She's clearly trying to minimize herself and her needs to an unhelpful point; which might be because she was in a controlling or abusive marriage. Instead of becoming irrationally annoyed the OP should have asked about this woman wellness.

Anxious&Bored Bear
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It sounds like she has been taught that what she wants/likes doesn't matter nearly as much as what other people like/want, maybe by parents or a spouse. Maybe a choice of 2 options would be better than letting her guess what she thinks someone else likes/wants would be better for her and her companions.

TribbleThinking
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3 months ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

A breakup can be like a bereavement. But unlike a bereavement, people tend to be a lot less aware that you might be experiencing some of the common effects like loss of appetite. I've experienced both. My friend calls it "the stupid bastard diet". Everything tastes like cardboard, so quite frankly, I'd only be eating to be polite and sensible(to not starve). But if there was only bread available, I'm the obvious one for it, as it would all taste the same. The same would go with "what would you like to do?". Everything doesn't really matter and quite frankly feels as meaningless, but I love my friends and don't want to keep saying that about EVERYTHING (which would be the truth). I Hope this helps a bit.

Melissa Harris
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3 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

What you're describing is depression. A breakup or devorce can definitely cause depression. Grief can also include depressive feelings.

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Jay Cee
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yep, 100% meek guest team here. sometimes fitting in to an established group can be difficult. OP should lighten up.

Roberta Surprenant
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

How dare the friend try to be nice or sweet, she was supposed to be as sour as the OP!

Earonn -
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1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I know someone talking like that, and for her (not necessarily for OP's friend) it's a case of trauma response to abuse, and if I ever manage to lay hands on the person who f****d up my friend like this, there literally will be bl00d.

Kat
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2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I live in eastern Europe and while growing up, when we went to visit my aunt or some close family, my grandmother and also my mother always acted like this, when they were offered f.e. some food. They were always like oh, I don´t want anything, don´t prepare anything for us etc. .. Some people just have that mentality in them, I don´t think they are doing it on purpose. But I absolutely understand why it make OP angry and I would probably have a conversation with that friend about it. It´s possible she doesn´t even realize how anoying it could be. But giving your food to someone else just bc theirs is a little late, that is too much, that makes me think she really likes to play a martyr. Or if you fed up with it, just let her have it. Let mother of that child confront her, if she is like oh, I don´t mind not going to party, just tell ok, it´s up to you if you want to go.

Dana Gordon
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

As a manager I was once told I could be intimidating so I went out of my way to be accommodating- not wanting it to bleed into friendships. Also if I was a guest, I was taught to never be an an inconvenience. But I learned over time to have a direct convo setting things straight at the beginning- agree to plan a couple things, ask her to research and plan an activity or too, & sprinkle in some days where you split up.

Meagan Glaser
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's ok to just admit you don't like someone, you don't gel. We don't pick our friends based on their merit or how good their karma is, there's no absolute scale to judge them on that everyone agreed to. You don't enjoy her company, so don't invite her company.

MR
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2 months ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Both people sound annoying to be around, to be honest. OP sounds insufferable as there's virtually nothing directly wrong with what this lady was doing. It may be a bit much, but so what? Personally, this type of people pleasing isn't my thing. But I recognize it as my issue and not something I'd be taking out on her for.

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