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Artist Creates Illustrations Where The Roles Of Humans And Animals Are Reversed, And The Reality Is Thought-Provoking (50 Pics)
Interview With Artist
Humans tend to take their habits for granted. Everything seems self-evident until the perspective shifts. It forces us to reflect on the way we are: humans are not all sunshine and rainbows, as the saying goes. We also have a darker side that we prefer to be swept under the rug.
Barbara Daniels has a calling to reveal these dark things that people do. She shifts the perspective by swapping roles of humans and animals, which in turn raises our awareness of how we behave with other animals, which is brutal and unethical most of the time. There's much room to grow for our species. Her illustrations are a sobering reminder that our society is far from perfect. Though we tend to admire the progress of our own species, we tend to forget that we did it at the price of others.
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago (edited)
Just like psycopaths, child abusers and pedophiles, hunters are the worst kind of human beings in existance. How can u take a pic of urself smiling proundly with the corpse u just killed? Not forgeting to mentioning that a lion, a tiger, an elephant, an eagle, any animal, worths countless times more than a single hunter that couldnt even be used as food for animals cause of its toxicity. F**k i hate hunters.
Barbara shared about her "Dominion over Man" with Bored Panda: "It was an unexpected surprise when this art came into my life. The idea of exploring the relationships between humans and animals first came to me while I was eating chicken wings on holiday in Strasbourg, France. I sketched what the situation might look like if the roles were reversed. The idea resonated with me from that moment on and I began to see the world in a new light. I started to focus on the role reversal concept after moving to Berlin in 2013."
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Magdalena Zając 3 years ago
I think it's declawing shown here. Cat claws grow directly from the bone so removing one is pretty much like snipping the end of the finger.
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"I learned so much from all the research I did for the artwork that I began to question my own lifestyle, and this led to my decision to become vegetarian. I still learn a lot about the world from each picture I create, and I've received a lot of positive feedback from many people inspired by my work. That really motivates me to continue with the 'Dominion over Man' series."
Barbara tells us what inspired her to create the comics: "The idea of exploring the relationships between humans and animals first came to me while I was eating chicken wings on holidays in Strasbourg, France. I sketched what the situation might look like if the roles were reversed. The idea resonated with me from that moment on and I began to see the world in a new light. I found endless sources of inspiration all around me in everyday life.
The artist also told us what the main goal of the illustrations is: "The goal of my art is to learn about our world by holding a mirror up to humanity and imagining life from the perspective of the many species dominated by the human race. It’s important to me to reverse each situation as accurately as possible, so I need to do a lot of research before beginning each piece. I learn so much from my research, and I receive a lot of feedback from people who believe that my work is spreading awareness."
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Barbara tells us more about how she got into art: "I have been creating art for as long as I can remember. Growing up in a small village, art was a much-needed escape from everyday life with six brothers. Following my passion, I studied fine art at GMIT Ireland."
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The artist mentioned what the most difficult part of these illustrations is: "The research I do for my work can be difficult, because it’s often very depressing. I tackle some pretty dark topics, and sometimes it affects my mood. Another difficult part of my work is the process itself. It takes about a month to complete each piece, and my chosen medium of pen and ink can be pretty unforgiving. Once that ink hits the watercolour paper, there’s no going back! Mistakes can’t be erased or covered up."
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Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago
Eww what’s that in his mouth. Watching dogs fight is it fun at all. I don’t know how people watch this.
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Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago
I never got taxidermy. It’s just disqusting both ways. Why would you cut off something head and hang it.
Barbara tells us more about what topics she covers and tells us more about her style: "I cover all topics relating to animals in all aspects of modern life. Some of the topics are gruesome, while others are a bit more lighthearted. My style is a mix between realism and caricature, and I like to focus on details. I started to focus on the role reversal concept after moving to Berlin in 2013. I still have a long list of ideas for new pictures, so I will keep going with my 'Dominion over Man' series for some time to come."
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
That french video of the fur industry... thats the cherry on top. Thats when u realize how not only ridiculous, but mostly stupid, cruel and ignorant ppl are when they wear fur coats and bags and scarfs... u dont look glamourous, u look like a selfish ignorant psychopath carrying a corpse while believing it makes u look beautifull.
The artist shares what inspired her to keep creating: "I really enjoy creating my own parallel universe with this art, and I still learn so much about our world from each picture I create. That alone would be enough to keep me going, but I also get motivation from the positive feedback I receive from people who are inspired by my work."
Barbara gives some advice for artists or people who want to pursue art: "Don’t be afraid to tackle difficult and uncomfortable topics in your art. When I began working on this series in 2013, I received a lot of negative feedback from friends and family who couldn’t understand why I was painting such weird pictures. Although I sometimes had my own doubts, I stayed true to my vision for four years before I started getting positive feedback. Looking back, I’m happy that I didn’t give up on this idea just to please others."
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Some ppl find this ridiculous and laugh about the pro animal activists. Just put ursefl in the place of the one whos being abused or tortured. Thats empathy.
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TimesNewLogan 3 years ago
Fun fact: alligators were an endangered species in the late 1800s and early 1900s, to the point where there were often more hunters than gators in the swamps and bayous during hunting season. Thankfully, they were saved through conservation efforts. This is referenced in Red Dead Redemption 2.
The artist tells us more about herself, her life, and her journey: "I grew up in a small village in County Galway, Ireland. After graduating with a fine art degree from GMIT Ireland in 2005, I lived in Southern California for almost eight years before spontaneously moving to Berlin, Germany in 2013."
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Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago (edited)
Terrible. If you show people who do this stuff these pictures. They make me feel bad. Think about how you’d feel.
"The goal of my art is not to preach about what’s right or wrong. Because of the topics in my work, some people assume that I’m trying to shove a political agenda down their throats, but really I’m just an artist exploring an idea and learning more about the world every day. I actually ate meat for most of my life, but as a result of my research for this art series, I began to question my own lifestyle and became vegetarian."
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Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago (edited)
That’s terrible ,lobsters getting boiled to death by hot water!
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Btw this is in hydra, greece. Nice place, but the donkeys... man its so sad 😢, all under a roof, waiting to be used to carry a person in an upway hill... its too cruel.
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Kyra Drachenlady 3 years ago
not to forget the forced breeding like with prized horses or dogs
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Jayne Kyra 3 years ago
On another note: F P.E.T.A.. They steal pets, euthanize 90% of animals they "save" and are a deplorable organization.
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Oh no... one of the worst... just wanna crush their f****n skulls when i see those psychos slamming baby seals
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Emilycookie 3 years ago
i hate shelters like this. there is a cat shelter near me that i foster from, it has cages but they are big with plenty of room for the cats to roam, and they rotate cats being in the big rooms with a bunch of cat toys and other cats.
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NinjaWolfy94 3 years ago
This one just reminds me of my dog Tara (a malamute). She LOVES little dogs, but, understandably, until the owner knows she's friendly and won't eat their chihuahua, they don't let their dog say hi. That's why dog parks are awesome.
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Once my family discovered a little mom mouse with all her little baby mice in our house. So cute, so precious. Little mouse mom rushed out the place when her nest was discovered. Everyone in my family was like “ dont touch it! Ull get infected!” Yeah they would have been right. They wanted to kill them, to just get rid of them like if they were toxic garbage. NO FCKIN WAY! WHY THE FCK? I took the babies away n put them in place where they would be safe. I thought that's the best i could do under the conditions in that moment. After a moment, the little babies where gone. I really hope her mom found her and took them to a better place and didnt eat then or something like that... the worst case scenario was a death/death fate for the mice family.
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Phica Afton 3 years ago
This is why whenever there is an insect inside I pick it up and put it outsode
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Freya the Wanderer 3 years ago
Far too often we treat animals as objects, as though they have no feelings. Sometimes we do the same to members of our own species.
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Terilee Bruyere 3 years ago
While I imagine it's confusing for bees to be smoked and have a portion of their honey harvested, bee keepers care for their bees and with the steep decline in wild populations many crops would also be in trouble.
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Ксения Петровская 3 years ago
Wait, goats don't eat meat. This healthy eating pyramid is a lie!
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Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Didnt this happened with cows and pigs but they were burried alive?
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Sue Bradley 3 years ago
These are not wild extremes of animal treatment - they are quite mild if anything. Look up the facts if you can face it. I am vegan because of these facts . Xxx
DC 3 years ago
Same! These are actually the mild side of information appropriate for children. The reality of animal abuse in industrial scale is a lot worse than depicted here ... this is a starting point. And a good one - but it isn't a complete set of information. Most people would be overwhelmed by the sheer scale of all those uncivilized treatments of sentient beings to pamper greed and cheapassery, but still have no problem in buying that stuff, thereby supporting cruelty they themselves can't bear watching, let alone execute themselves.
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I just became vegetarian, but after watching a horrible video of the fur industry and a vegan post about anti meat, basically. Later, i quit using leather and yarn. I still eat eggs and milk tho. Im aware about the cruelty of the milk industry and i know i must change this habit. I also consume gelatine, which is made of dead animal gristle, and red colorant made of woodlouse insect (i looked for the traduction in google, its supposted to be “cadmin de cochinilla”). My idea is to not use anything which has to be done by killing an animal, and in these cases, with the colorant and with the gelatine, its done. In the case of milk, its taken away from the calves, and the calves are taken away from their moms... i need to do a mental job here to leave milk, but its so present in many products....
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Bernardita, first of all thank you for you efforts to become a totally compassionate consumer. It is not hard at all to switch to plant-based dairy and eggs at all. There are plenty of delicious, healthy products on the market today - milks, cheeses, yogurts which will not sabotage your body's natural ability to defend itself and run smoothly without a glitch till advanced age.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
I really don't get the hate against PETA, as a European not really into the popular stuff on media, but from what I know it's just a normal kill shelter? Like I don't like kill shelters in general, but what's the stuff with especially PETA? I'm just curious lol. EDIT: Thanks for the explaining, and you're so generous with the downvotes here on BP
zovjraar 3 years ago
PETA doesn't believe in any form of animal ownership- they feel it's exploitation. so they do not believe in pet ownership, and feel the animals are better off euthanized than being owned. as a cat lover and owner, i can't get behind that. my cats are all rescued from the streets. they have a warm, dry home, they never go hungry or thirsty, and i do go outside with them, so they get fresh air as well. if they get sick or injured, they don't die a slow and agonizing death- they get care and get better. PETA is against all that i do for my cats and would rather see them dead than cared for and loved. eff PETA.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
zovijraar, I don't know where did you get this information, but it is complete misinformation and outright lie. Why don't you confront PETA by yourself and get the facts straight, here is contact information: People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, 501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA 23510, USA; Telephone: 757 - 622 - Peta = 7382, 757 - 962 - 8380, 757 - 962 - 82 13; internet: www.peta.org , cidinfo@peta.org Get the facts, get the truth, please.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
PETA has a history of (among other things) funding anti-animal testing arsonists, using fear tactics on children to vilify their parents, and general hypocrisy.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Logic and Reason, you are both illogical and unreasonable, and hateful. Where did you get these lies?? Please disclose the source or shut up!!!! Obviously you will not do that, haters and cowards never do.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog02, PETA does NOT run any shelter!!!! They support animal shelters. They are engage in fighting animal cruelty with any means possible: by investigating and exposing animal cruelty, rescuing victims of animal cruelty and neglect and placing them in reputable shelters or re-homing them, by fighting for animal rights in courts, to change laws by engaging law makers - the government agencies, by exposing animal cruelty by meat, dairy, egg, wool, fur, leather, and entertainment industries, by promoting healthy, compassionate diet for people; PETA is working everywhere in the world, because cruel, inhumane people are everywhere in the world.
DC 3 years ago
Meat-industry sponsored BS that is willingly believed by people who rely on the moral high ground towards people having actually higher standards than themselves. The shelters are no different than any other kill shelter is - bad enough these even exist, and in some states, they're mandatory even. Civilization hasn't come that far...
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Ok, so Peta is just known for being a kill shelter, and that's why I don't see people talking about other ones?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog02, once more, PETA does NOT own and/or run any shelter, they are rescuing abused and neglected animals and re-homing them or placing them in reputable shelters. Contact Peta and get the facts strait, I provided the contact information in above posts.
Bacony Cakes 3 years ago
PETA outright stole someone's dog and killed it. That's why we hate PETA.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Why we have Becony Cakes??? She is outright cruel and stupid, if she was smart and just she would ask Peta for their side of the story, it's only fair.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Here we go again, those "real" animal lovers are down-voting posts like Mewton's Third Paw's comments. The following is their creed: "I will ignore that it is someone that I have put into my meal. - I will call it by different name so that it was never something real. - I will deny there's another's misery stirred through my morning tea (coffee). - I will recall images of the greenest fields and pretend they live this free. - I will confirm my love for animals by holding my precious dog so tight. - I will close my ears and shut my eyes so I can fall asleep at night." - @love_is_freedom76
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, I'm thinking about going vegan, especially as it's better for the environment, but then I guess it's be best to be fruiterian, as plants also turn out to have feelings. I guess the best thing is ethical farms for both animals and plants *sigh* EDIT: I BELIEVE plants have feelings, based on "the hidden life of trees" and my own personal beliefs. Sorry for being unclear, and if I have offended anybody ^^
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
Plants are killed to feed animals more than humans. Vegan is enough.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, it's impossible to be perfect, it's just that the world is so overwhelming. EDIT: But I mean that you're right.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Plants are living things, nobody is disputing that, but they do not have the nervous system as animals and humans do, they do not feel pain as we do.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Sorry, I was unclear, I BELIEVE plants have feelings based on "the hidden life of trees" and my own personal experiences. I should have been more clear. ^^
Vi. B. 3 years ago
Plants don't have feelings, they don't have the neural structures for that, but even if you choose to believe that, going vegan kills less plants than eating meat so go for it!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
No, don't encourage them, Vi.B. "People" eat more than one million animals every single hour.....and hate, and hate vegans.
fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)
Incorrect. Animals are fed mostly food stuffs that are inedible to humans and would otherwise be wasted, bringing nutrients to a more macro level. Animals and creatures on all levels are more or less equally important part of nature and the distribution of organic matter to the entire cycle of life. And the numbers involved are misrepresented by "informative" sources. Here's some advice: if they are using manipulative means to change your behaviour, such as guilt, then their moral compass is probably not quite oriented correctly. If their method is mass emotional manipulation, then their motivation is probably something like sociopathy, cowardice, but in any case definitely ill-informed, ignorant, misguided and actually not benevolent. Though their hearts and inentions might be well meaning, by omitting information in favour of a narrative they present the probability of creating more harm than good. "The road to hell is paved by good intentions." Alan Watts. You'll find it on After Skool on Youtube. Listen to it. And if you are seeing things like this and can't see them as inherently cruel and harmful themselves in their cynism and dishonesty then perhaps you could benefit from paying closer attention to details.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
fuggnuggins (why don't you use your real name?) you are....how should I put it politely, you are misguided. Yes farm animals were/are fed by "stuff" that are inedible to humans....and to them. How do you think "mad cow disease" came to be???? - Stating the truth and facts became to be "manipulative means" to you? Our planet is being completely destroyed, animals suffer unconscionable pain at the hands of ruthless humans deprived of conscience, and you are talking about "misguided moral compass of vegans"? How dare you, you have no shame, and yes it is you who should feel guilty. The road to hell may be paved by good intentions, however, who are those walking on it toward hell???? There are many people like you who just hate those who do not cause harm, I don't know why; I only know that they are cruel and put many Youtube self-excusatory, blame misdirecting "Facts" on soc. media.... and those suits you well, don't they?
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Using emotional means to get people to change their behaviour is literally the whole point of art. Are you calling Shakespeare a sociopath? Caravaggio? David Lynch? Tolkein? Stormzy? Is there any form of creative expression that you don't find manipulative and cowardly? Should the artist just stick to painting pretty sunsets? Really, honestly curious about your viewpoint here.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog, yes I love plants and trees, they are great, but I thing they do not feel pain as animals and humans do, they don't have the same nervous system. Think about how much more plants animals eat which are raised to be murdered and eaten by humans. Actually, our digestive system is very similar to that of fruit, nut, and seeds eating animals. - "If the world went vegan we would free up land the size of Africa, and need only 20 % of it to feed 7 billion herbivores."
fuggnuggins 3 years ago
Look, mate, I've been veg for a quarter of a decade and I wouldn't want to discourage anyone for doing anything for the right reasons, but I would question: why vegan? Why do you want to go vegan? Do you so object to the natural cycle of life that you would try to overcome it by destroying it? Do you understand anything about biology and ecosystems, and how nutrients begin in very basic forms and pass from organism to organism to more and more macro forms of life? Do you have any comprehension what the consequences would be to interfere with that? There's nothing wrong with being a natural being. I think it is a naive and neglectful error to remove oneself from nature. And we do it in many misguided ways, with misplaced good intentions. Religion can be removing us from nature, artificially placing us above nature. Materialism can do it. And so can something as seemingly virtuous as veganism. It is one thing to refrain from cruelty, but I think wrong to deny one's nature.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
What the heck are you talking about fuggnnuggins??? To your health and nature point: why plant-base (vegan)? Because just like meat, dairy and eggs do NOT provide ANY vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, any phytochemicals the human body needs to protect itself and function properly, those are provided ONLY by COMPLETE carbohydrates - fruits, vegetables, legumes, and WHOLE grains - do you understand it? About naturalness and dairy: There is no other mammalian creature in nature who would drink mother's milk after weaning let alone the milk from different species, only humans are capable of a such cruel perversion!!! Animal milk protein casein is very dissimilar from human milk protein and (together with strong, hard to digest proteins in meat and eggs) is contributing to chronic, painful inflammations in human body - like arthritis, chronic diseases - like diabetes, which CAN be reversed by plant-based (vegan) diet, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers, and other ills...
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
.....to fuggnuggins: Why do you ignore that vegans are healthier, have stronger and denser bones, than meat, dairy, etc. consumers? Animal agriculture (factory farming) is the cause of deforestation and overall destruction of wild lands and wildlife, talking about ecosystem and nature! Human race is not only removing itself from nature, it is destroying nature and consequently itself. Yes, religion is placing humankind above all other "creations", materialism and overconsumption are causing all the same to our planet, but why do you blame veganism for all that demise is beyond me. By not consuming ANY animal products, vegans do not contribute in any way to the destruction of nature; vegans do not overconsume in general out of respect for our planet and all life it supports; vegans (consumers of plant-based food, if you prefer this term) create as small carbon footprint as possible, I just can't understand why you don't recognize it. What you mean by "I've been veg for....."???
AlmightyOne 3 years ago
Some of these I agreed with. Dogfights, beating baby seals to death, animal testing, and hunting for sport are all bad, but I'm still going to eat meat.
littlesaresare 3 years ago
Consider eating meat from a source that isn't a factory farm?
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SloeLoris 3 years ago
Yes but be *careful* with this one. It's standard practice in the meat industry to outright lie about how animals are kept. A lot of meat factories even have "show farms" where visitors can see well-cared-for creatures chomping grass and pecking seeds in the sunshine - but investigate a bit further and the numbers just don't add up. I'm the guiltiest person in the world here - for years I would only eat "ethical" meat, without realising how thoroughly, cynically and profitably I'd been lied to. Some of the most disturbing pictures here are from the artist's series called "Happy Farms", and I'm 100% sure she called it that for a reason.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, I agree it's ok to eat meat, as plants also have been shown to have feelings, so just please eat from ethical farms and don't eat the horrid amounts some people eat, it's perfectly enough for 2 a week. EDIT: Wow ok I didn't know this would be such a controversial topic, just to clear it up, I BELIEVE plants have feelings, based on the book, "The hidden life of trees", and I read it a long time ago, so don't remember all the details, this is not a stated fact. If you're interested, please research for yourself ^^ And I do care for animals, I'm seriously considering becoming at least vegeterian, it's just that when you think about it, like it's impossible to not hurt anything and why wouldn' plants have feelings, I'm just saying I'm not stopping anyone consuming ethical (as much as possible) meat, as long as they know what they're doing, as life is more complicated than that. And yes, I do love animals and I eat meat at a minimum anyway, though I guess it's not the easiest when you mostly don't make your own meals (still a teenager ;P).
Ekate 3 years ago
I don't think "reacts to stimulus" can be considered feelings - I mean, my phone reacts to stimulus. Animals scream with fear.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, I understand your opinion and my opinion is not a fact, it's what believe with the information I have. And to be honest, it would be way easier without believing that, but I guess that's life. We can't really say anything feels, for what I know, I could be the only person in the world who actually feels pain as I do. So I understand what you say, respect your opinion, and since mine is kind of undecided I won't try to persuade you to my opinion ^^
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, I mean based on the book "The hidden life of trees" I believe that they have feelings, though my memory of it is kind of foggy, I just believe that why shouldn't they, but sorry, I'm not stating it as a definite fact. If you want a source please read the book itself or something similar ^^
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
If you cared about plant feelings then you’d be against meat production since more plants are killed to feed meat producing animals. You don’t care about animals. Just say it.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, that's why I'm against eating the horrid amounts of meat many people in the richer parts of the world eat, but I will not stop anyone from eating justifiable amounts, as I'm not an expert on the matter, and I'm still only a teen. I edited the comment to clear it up, hope it helps. Sorry if I made that impression, that was the opposite of my desire ^^
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog, if you be an animal to be murdered, you wouldn't consider any "justifiable" amount for which you should die. Also there are many teenagers who become vegans simply for the reason of justice for innocent animals. There are many plain-based proteins on the market - Beyond meat, impossible burger, sausage, Gardein products, delicious milks, cheeses, yogurts, ice creams, and eggs. Those, who hate vegans, will not even try them. And that is something egregious when one can do good but chooses not to.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog, animals murdered for human consumption (billions upon of billions of them) eat 80 % of plants, people only eat 20 %. Also animals are murdered in a most heinous way, they die in unconscionable agony, it's not that they didn't know what hit them. Some believe that if "people" saw how animals are murdered at the slaughterhouses, or any other places, that they would stop eating meat, dairy eggs, wear animal skins, etc. ...... well, I wish that to be true.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Ok, tbh I thought your comment was differently worded at first, so I recommend just eating small amounts of meat and from the most ethical possible sources, and respect the animal in death, like Kikistarflyer is saying
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Please, BlockDog, do not recommend eating animals, there are soon to be 8 billion of people on this planet, eating "small" amounts will not satisfy them, and those "small" amounts will come to millions of animals consumed by every single hour. Instead, recommend plant-based proteins (meats) Beyond Burger, Impossible Burger, Sausage, Gardein brand, plant-based cheeses, yogurts, ice creams, those are all delicious and will NOT cause health and opioid crises, destruction of our planet, and unconscionable pain and suffering to farm animals. This is what you should recommend!
Vonev Kalinsk 2 years ago
I like meat but I don't like killing animals how do I fix this I try to if possible eat Lab Grown Meat!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
I know you will, and all other suffering, sentient beings ...and our planet can go to hell. How much pain and destruction will satisfy your appetite for meat?
Claire 3 years ago
Why? You just don't care enough about their suffering to change your diet? Your tastebuds are more important than their lives?
AlmightyOne 3 years ago
I eat meat because humans are omnivores. Because it's natural for us. I don't eat it every day, of course, but I eat it because we evolved to eat both meat and plants and I'm not about to cut either one out of my diet. You can have your opinion, but I could easily say the same to vegans about plants. They die for us, too. The only way to not cause any suffering of other creatures would be to not eat at all, and die of starvation as a result. I'll eat what I want.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Not -AlmightyOne- at all; The bottom line is that you will eat what you want, and everything else can go to hell, and please, stop that stupid excuse, plants have feelings too, you do not give a damn about them as well, because animals you caused to be murdered eat way, way more plants than people who do not eat flesh of murdered animals do. Got it? From the beginning, humans were herbivores, our digestive system is similar to that of fruits, nuts, and seeds eating animal. So stop making those lame excuses and try plant-based proteins I listed in my post(s) above. Your body, our planet, and suffering animals will thank you for it.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Commander OwO, just opposite is true!!!!! Immediately, when you stop consuming animal protein -meat, dairy - eggs - you will have more energy, because it is hard for your digestive system to digest animal proteins - it takes up to 8 hours; plan-based proteins are easily digested and that means more energy is available to you. About medical "stuff": people consuming plan-based food (vegans) are healthy till very old age, have stronger and denser bones, stronger immune system and do not damage their organs like you do. They do not suffer from painful inflammations - like arthritis, and diabetes, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers... yes, that's coming to you after age of 55 - 65, do you understand it, "Doctor" Commander???
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully, no. No human ever died of "medical stuff" by giving up meat. You don't even need it to be at peak health. You can see this if you look at some of the civilizations in history that are famous for their physical prowess. The Spartans ate meat twice a year but were otherwise fully vegan. The Roman legions who conquered most of the known world had a monthly meat ration of about 300g. The samurai of the Tokugawa era ate no meat and occasional servings of shellfish; ninjas never ate it for religious reasons and also to keep themselves in perfect physical condition. The explorers of the 15th-16th centuries had no way of keeping meat fresh, so went fully vegan during the sailing season. Here in the UK, our WW2 fighter pilots didn't eat meat because (a) they realised it affected their alertness and reactions and (b) there wasn't any - the efficient use of land was a priority on our dinky little island, so meat production plummeted.
Baby Panda 3 years ago (edited)
animal abuse and slaughter is horrible, although most people don't care unless they see it happen to a human, some people wouldn't even care unless it were a white cis male human, i'm vegetarian for this reason, i have no problems with other people eating meat, i just hope that they came from local farms that don't keep their animals in cages or small stalls for their whole lives untill they get killed
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Mewton's Third Paws, congratulation, you're doing good job, you really get on their nerves, under their skin - down-voting like crazy your comments. Yes, it's coming to me too. "No one is more hated than the one who says the truth." - Plato
Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago
Yes. Thanks for making this. It really made me think more about animal cruelty.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Go for it Pheonix, try Beyond Burger, Impossible Burger, Sausage (I like original, rather than Italian version) Gardein Brand is great, so are plant-based dairy. I myself do not need to have plant-based meats but sometimes I do.
Ekate 3 years ago
What a well-drawn and thought out collection! These are the reason I turned vegan a couple years ago, though I forgot the animal suffering after a while, I stayed vegan because once you stop, you realise how gross it is - milk with blood and pus in it, meat filled with antibiotics, the hormones, the links to cancer, heart disease, etc., not to mention the fact the the planet cannot sustain us eating so much meat for much longer. The only reason to eat meat is because you like the way it tastes. Is that a good enough reason for torturing and killing a creature?
Zedrapazia 3 years ago
To me, absolutely, as long as the animal doesn't come from a mass breeding center or some s**t. Also, the reason humans eat meat is not the taste, and you can literally die or get blind without it because you are missing important vitamins as B12 for example. And supporting polluting industry in China that produces B12 pills is not really anything better
Load More Replies... BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, but there are natural sources of those vitamins, as many vegans can prove :P. But I'm not totally against meat, just as long as it's ethical, and you don't eat too much as farms for food for meat-animals take up space that could feed millions of people ^^. And it turned out plants have feelings, so....
Ruth Peacock 3 years ago
Been vegetarian for several generations in our family. No issues yet. Vegan is also very doable these days if you don't suffer from allergies. Each to their own. It's ok to say you like it and aren't ready to give it up, but there really is no general medical need for it.
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully disagree, but this is a really important point that shouldn't get buried in the comments so upvoted for that reason. In the rich "West" we live in a world where anyone can get a Big Mac any time of day, but have to drive for an hour to get an apple. I urge everyone to go vegan, but please can we have a sensible conversation about how we can make it cheaper and more accessible for real people living real, stressful, time-pressured, hungry lives?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
SloeLoris, it can only happen when consumers ask for healthy dietary options of plant-based food, only then entrepreneurs will invest in the food business which creates healthy human population, healthy planet, and eliminates unconscionable torture of sentient farm animals. Based on so many comments here on BP, it will not happen any time soon, if ever. It is very hard to fight against human ignorance, arrogance, hate, selfishness, and cruelty. - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein .... I agree with the great one, only that the two things which are for sure infinite are human cruelty and stupidity.
SloeLoris 3 years ago
To be honest, I've seen a lot of kindness, compassion and knowledge on these threads though. For example: I'd never have thought that hologram circuses were a thing! I 100% agree with you about how we need to treat animals better, but I worry that you think humans are trash. I think all of us are trying to do our best and many of us are compassionate, empathic, curious, inventive and kind. I'd hate to think that loving animals would also mean you have to hate humans - however much we hate what some humans do.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
It depends what diet you have I suppose, but if you have the right plants it's definitely fine. I think it comes from people who start being vegan but just eat the wrong things.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog02, what are you talking about? What wrong things vegans eat? The plant-based (Vegan diet): fruits, vegetables, legumes, WHOLE grains.!! Vegans are healthier, do not suffer from "old age" pains, bad conditions and diseases such as: arthritis, diabetes, heart diseases, clogged arteries, Alzheimer's, various cancers, failed organs, and other ills. I have a relative, she's in her mid-seventies, her last laboratory tests - the Comprehensive Metabolic Panel which examine kidneys, liver, electrolytes, acid/base balance, blood sugar and blood proteins, calcium, sodium, potassium; and the Lipid Panel test that determine risk of coronary heart disease, it measures cholesterol levels, triglycerides - the result of all these tests was PERFECTLY NORMAL - that's how Docs worded it!!! What meat - dairy - eggs -eater in her age can say that?? (if drugs keep them still alive). So, yes BlockDog, it sure depends on the right diet and denying the facts will not make you healthy and pain free.
Yoga Kitty 3 years ago
If you have a balanced diet being vegan is perfectly fine. You might have to look into adding the B vitamins and some other minerals but that is no big deal. On the other hand, you can be a meat eater and still be terribly malnourished if you eat the same few things every day... Care for yourself and care for other living beings! <3
Zophra 3 years ago
There are alternative sources for B12 for vegans... I found this information in less than 8 seconds. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320524
BlockDog02 3 years ago
When you cite sources, please read them beforehand. This page says that it's the easiest to get b12 from meat, dairy and eggs, but that you can get it from other sources, and that they do give you vitamin B12, but MIGHT lead to a deficiency, so your point is not valid. If you want to prove it, at least find sources proving your cause.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
I get what you mean, but the meat does have B12 naturally, you must have gotten some disinformation. ^^ Just clearing it up for you.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
And damn, half of India is not blind from being vegeterian, and I do not get your point. Are you against meat or pro-meat? As you have points against both. And do not say things like kill yourself, this could be considered trying to make people commit suicided, and is really unpleasant for someone to receive those messages. At least be decently polite. EDIT: Baby Panda kindly explained that I misunderstood, so sorry.
Baby Panda 3 years ago
i think you misunderstood, :) mewton was saying that it's not true that people become blind from being vegetarian, that's just ridiculous.....
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully: like about 9% of white people, I have a genetic deficiency in processing B-12. I could literally eat raw steak all day and still be B-12 deficient. I get a shot every 3 months and I'm fine. But for anybody not going vegan because of the B-12: the worst case scenario is that you need an extra hour's sleep, have lighter periods and get drunk quicker.
Freya the Wanderer 3 years ago
No better way to point out how atrociously we treat other critters than the classic figure-ground reversal.
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bryguy 3 years ago
I'm more concerned about these comments from people with such certainty about all these topics. "I know for a fact animals have no souls" or "It's impossible for any living creature to have an understanding of this" or "It's a fact animal parents do not remember their children." Come on... how can any of us say for certainty any of that? And saying your religious beliefs explain it all is a load of crap. It's scary the lengths people will go to to try and justify how abuse to animals is okay.
VeninTheNonBinaryRogue 3 years ago
The only places I eat meat from are ethically sourced. Like grass fed cows not kept in stupid cages their entire life, and chickens that were allowed to walk around outside and stuff like that. I think it’s ok to eat some meat as long as it’s ethically sourced
SloeLoris 3 years ago
I support ethical farming but please be careful! A lot of meat farms will go to immense lengths to lie to you about how their animals are cared for. Many meat factories now have "show farms" for people who want to be ethical meat-eaters and care about animal welfare, but in so many cases the numbers just don't add up. SOURCE: I completely fell for this for years, before I did the maths.
Kat 3 years ago (edited)
I agree with most of them. Still going to eat meat though. I believe that if an animal is killed for food and most of the animal is used (skin, all meat, bones, etc), it's natural. We are omnivores, which means, our body is accustomed eat meat also. I see nothing wrong with that. For me it's about the way how a said animal is raised. If someone chooses not to eat meat, it's their choice. I'm just sick and tired of people who call meat eaters bad people. We are not. I'm pro choice in any matter. By the way, many forests are taken down to make fields where they grow vegan food. Many rainforests are taken down and all the species that live there killed, to make room for palm oil plantations. Every coin has 2 sides. If you look only one side, you don't see the other.
Vi. B. 3 years ago
Natural is different from ethical, we (as a human living in a developed country) can live perfectly without exploiting and killing other sentient being, the only reason we still do it is to please or taste bud, not ethical at all to choose to keep exploiting animals
Load More Replies... Ekate 3 years ago
Of course, but how can you feed everyone "ethical" meat when today 99% of meat comes from factory farms? Are you saying you don't eat burgers, any processed meat, you are one of the few who can afford the 1% hand reared, outdoor raised? And that "vegan food"? Palm oil, soy - that is grown to feed those animals in feed lots - if we all went vegan, we could have our rainforest back. You might be only looking at one side of that coin yourself?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Ekate, when more and more people ask for ethical and totally healthy plant-based food choices, only then prices would come down..... and think about how much money you would save on health insurance - you and tax-paying public, nothing is for free, somebody has to pay for it.
Kat 3 years ago (edited)
I eat a burger maybe 3-4 times a year and our family doesn't eat processed food. I buy meat directly from local farmers and get it at the same price as factory farm meat at shops.Palm oil is a component in most processed foods these days so not for animals. And vegans Do eat a lot of soy products.
Ekate 3 years ago
Palm oil is used in animal feed, shampoo, lipstick, doughnuts, as a bio fuel - Vegans eat a fraction of the soy that is produced for animals - I could keep answering you, but I'm sure a quick google would do that for me if you were interested. I am curious though, do you think it's feasible for the rest of the world to eat like you? What do you think is the solution to the rise in meat eating and the corresponding rise in factory farms, where the animals are fed soy etc to plump them up fast?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
The solution to all grave, self - inflicted problems humanity is facing is the plant - based (vegan) diet. - "Veganism is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet." - University of Oxford ... "Save the world from you - go vegan!"..... Think about future of your children/grandchildren - because of you, they will not have a future, because you made the planet unlivable for them.
Kat 3 years ago
Well. I personally think that most people eat too much meat. So cutting down the amount might already make a huge difference. You know, eat less, maybe once or twice a week, but better meat, not stuff your face with factory farm meat every day and every meal. And yes, maybe bigger countries feed their animals with soy. In my country, we feed them grass (and hay) mostly.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Feed yourself with compassion, Kat. Cutting down on meat will not work, because it's not just consumption of meat which is killing your body, our planet, and, of course, suffering farm animals - but who gives a damn about them, right? - It is also eating dairy and eggs (tons of them). The majority of "people" will never cut down on any of those, because their appetite for flesh, milk (dairy), and eggs of animals .... is insatiable!!!! They are totally deprived of empathy and moral responsibility to our planet and ALL life it supports (...is so far able to support).
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
I'm just wondering, Ekate, what do you call aggression in relation to eating habits of humans and survival of our planet and universal compassion? The truth? The uncomfortable facts? Was I aggressive toward those who did NOT post insulting and derogatory comments themselves?
SloeLoris 3 years ago (edited)
Cutting down does make a HUGE difference if you come from a culture like mine (British) where it's expected to have 3 meals a day and meat at every meal - and taught that it's "healthy" and "balanced". Cutting it out altogether is better for you, the planet and the animals, but honestly if you make the decision to have one less bacon sandwich a week and you stick to it, I WILL fully bust out my pompoms and cheerleader that. The good is not the enemy of the better.
DC 3 years ago
... and yet, you seem to feel the need to justify and to get some things mixed around. There are no forests taken down to make fields where they grow vegan food ... well, not vegan human-food, but vegan food used to be transformed into meat and dairy. Calling this "seeing both sides of the coin" is ... stunning.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Who is aggressive.... and cowardly here are those who down-voted C C's comment!!!!!! The truth hurts.
Katie Lutesinger 3 years ago
This reminds me of a short story I read when I was a kid. The poor helpless main character is the pet of a nasty spoilt little girl named Zeena, but she still remembers the family she was torn away from and longs for freedom. One day she finally escapes... and then you find out that she was actually a human child and Zeena is an alien kid whose parents probably abducted the main character just to get an exotic pet for their little (green) princess.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is horrific reality how many people love horror fiction, and those who enjoy seeing other sentient beings to suffer - to them is not horror, it's pleasure, delight. How can peace on the Earth be achieved? It never will, unless people teach their children compassion toward ANY sentient life - regretfully, there is no chance of that happening either. There NEVER will be human rights and justice for all without animal rights - their right to life, happiness, and humane treatment, period.
TimesNewLogan 3 years ago
Well, it started off good... but then it became clear that the artist supports PETA, so doesn't exactly care about facts.
hobbitly 3 years ago
What is stopping you from looking into the facts yourself?
Load More Replies... Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is you, TimesNewLogan who does NOT care about facts. How many animals world- wild did you saved? Please stop attacking Peta and sign up to volunteer. Talk to people who do. Hate, hate, hate is all you have to offer.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Well, it is bad to spread lies, misinformation, and insult, especially on the soc. media, Soulstice; it looks like you did not found your soul. Peta is very kind not to sue all of those haters, it would be so easy. Boy, here we go again, lot of those truth "lovers" down-voting Mewton's comment again... for stating the obvious conclusion.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
Uh, have you looked into PETA in the slightest? They literally fund arsonists. And yes, I have fact checked and done my research.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Illogical and unreasonable "Logic and Reason", whose "facts" did you checked???? I suggest you check them - follow the money, there is always the reason to destroy someone by spreading lies and misinformation.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is happening because people - consumers are causing them to happen, Val.
Adalina 2 years ago (edited)
This kinda made me sick... but they really are -mostly-true. The main thing I saw was the bees. Bees chose to stay in a human hive and if they don't like it, they WILL pack up and leave. They give a small amount of the thing they are making constantly in exchange for protection from bears and other bugs. Bees aren't kept on leashes! The rest seemed really true. I probably won't go vegetarian/vegan, but I'll start eating more kosher for sure!
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago (edited)
Once i saw a video in which they showed a couple of psychos cutting the tail and the fins of a little shark and then throwin it back to the sea... u could see how the shark slowly sunk until it reached the bottom... that little shark was doomed to die of hunger. Imagine one day a couple of ppl grab u and cut ur arms and legs and leave u in the floor, but u cant move, u cant ask for help, and u dont even know what happened, why, and that you will never be able to move ever again. Fin industry is also one of the most cruel ones cause they mutilate the sharks and leave them to die without any chance of help at all... and all of this for some stupid soup thats supposed to make ur little penis stronger or somethin like that?
Kaori Panda 3 years ago
The whole eating meat thing is something that I can't not do. I'm unable to go vegetarian or vegan. However, I try my best to only eat meat that does not come from a factory farm. I don't drink milk either.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Kaori Panda, I'm just curious, why wouldn't you be able to adopt vegan or even vegetarian diet? All the medical problems non - vegans are suffering from are non - existent in vegans!!!! My guess is that you would have to transition very slowly and gradually.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
As a vegetarian: we need medical animal testing. The COVID vaccine was made with animal testing. It’s unfortunate, but it is needed.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Logic and Reason, you are Illogical and Unreasonable. - "I know of no achievement through vivisection, no scientific discovery that could not have been obtained without such barbarism and cruelty." - Charles W. Mayo, MD ... that is circa 80 years ago he said it, today there are many non-animal methods of testing which are far more reliable and accurate. The vast majority of medical doctors and scientist agree that vivisection is retarding medical science. - What can prevent all future outbreaks of deadly viruses is you - humans, for obvious reasons: stop destruction of our planet - read D C's comment above and please bored pandas, stop down-voting the truth and facts, it will not help anyone. I sincerely hope that Bored Panda will not eliminate my comments.
Beezel Palomar 3 years ago
Most of these are forced and don't even make sense. Just for "shock".
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
All of these depict reality, and only what does not make sense is you, Beezel Palomar.
Lira Mai 3 years ago
Have anyone read The Promised Neverland? It is a manga turned anime, season 1 is in netflix. The concept is like this. Human are food.
Tracy Costa 3 years ago
These are good but I think Fantastic Planet (1973) made the same point very well.
Vonev Kalinsk 2 years ago
I am sure lots of people read this and go "I still like meat how can I stop" if you can afford it and it's available buy Lab Grown
fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)
I grew up around animals, most of my childhood friendships were limited to animals, am one of those people who probably most often have a greater appreciation for animals than people, and have been a vegetarian since I was about 16 - about 25 years now - and I think it ridiculous every single time I see one of these emotionally manipulative guilt trips that make ludicrous attempts to compare animal experiences directly to human experiences. Yes, they, to varying degrees, can suffer, feel fear, apprehension, grief. Obviously. They will each lack certain emotional experiences that we have. They most likely each have others that we lack. But this representation is just as dishonest as can be and is in denial of nature - to its, our, and their detriment. I think it fails to convey anything but the author's dissociation from nature and their ignorance of animals and people alike.Things that are not human beings are NOT human beings, and deserve to be recognised for what they ARE. The cycle of life can't be transcended just by a misguided will alone. We are part of nature, and we are best to remain mindful of the fact. For our benefit. For the benefit of animals. For the benefit of our natural world. That one would wish to not be cruel does follow that one remove themselves from nature. It is the placing of oneself outside of nature, even above nature, that creates the issues attempting to be addressed here in the first place.
Bettye McKee 3 years ago
This was too over-the-top for me. As a Christian, I cannot agree with most of this bleeding-heart tripe. God put man over all of the animals of the world and was aware that animals would be killed for food. I am only accountable for my own actions, and I do not mistreat animals.
Bacony Cakes 3 years ago
This would've been better if this showed things such as Goose Pulling, Jellyfish Macerators, the evils of PETH, or Japan's... everything.
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago (edited)
A lot of ppl seem to be offended by these illustrations. I invite u all to check all these cases in real life, cause all of these illustrations are not inventions of the artist, they are based on real life. The fact that u feel disgusted or offended by the drawings, or be surprised by the rage they provoked, makes me think, what the fck do ppl expect to feel? Cause for me at least, empathy is something ridiculously obvious. When u see cruelty, murder for fun, slavery... do u think these things are fair enough to be respected? What would u feel if u were in their case? Would u like to see ppl “offended” by what others rage while u are tortured? Or complain that what u are suffering is normal and should continue? Think about it when u are treated unfairly, u would like ppl to be on your side, defending u. Go, learn about each case, and seriously, if it doesnt change your perspective and feel empathy for the animals who suffer all these tortures, u are all psychos.
Vi. B. 3 years ago
It's hilarious under posts like this how absolutely everyone is eating meat from nice farms that don't over produce, or just have dairy from a cute cow that lives in a green field. Have a look at All you eat, and read labels, no you don't eat only that or you are a slight exception
Suzy the observer 3 years ago
Perhaps being vegan is not the Holy Grail but it certainly is our best option at the moment. This a lot more mainstream now, so many delicious products and ingredients are readily available.
SlapShot16 3 years ago
i swear that i will never eat an animal AGAIN going vegan i hate me now
M O'Connell 3 years ago (edited)
I am very conflicted on the subject of animal testing :( I will strongly agree that experimenting on animals is unethical. Computer simulations are excellent tools for gauging the potential metabolic effects of new drugs, but sooner or later they need to be tested in a real metabolism. However, without the ability to do that testing on animals companies (who still need to do safety testing) are going to move that testing to humans, and naturally the poorest and/or most vulnerable humans (i.e. least expensive). From an ethical standpoint, its difficult to argue that running experiments on poor people is somehow better than running them on pigs. Several drug manufacturers have come under fire recently for using homeless people as test subjects, particularly people suffering from mental illness.
Tobin Kern 3 years ago
Well when animals are at the top of the food chain then we can talk about this, but they arent.
Cori 3 years ago
And this is why I'm planting most of my garden in beans. Trying to get my protein from a source that doesn't have a face. I've been gradually reducing my meat intake over the past couple of years. I'm down to maybe 25% of what I would consume 2 years ago. I removed pork completely. I saw photos of mama pigs in gestation/ farrowing crates and I was just done. I have first hand experience with how intelligent and emotionally complex pigs are. I now how scared and confused my Ella pig would be if she were trapped in one of those awful cages. There is no way I am paying for pigs to be tortured like that. No amount of bacon on earth is worth that for me.
DogPerson7 3 years ago
Wow, definitely not happy, but it didn't sugarcoat anything and brought awareness.
Diana Eriksson 3 years ago
It's very well-drawn and impactful. Sometimes it's hard to face facts, and I'm sure you helped many reconsider things like furs and meat factories. Thank you for posting!
Felicity Lemon 3 years ago
These made me think about how we handle animals and realise how horrible we treat our only chance of life. We injure the circle of life a lot, and these drawings made me think
3 years ago (edited)
My problem with these things is that we eat them, yes, but they still eat each other! I love meat, but this just makes me feel like a bad person. I also eat a lot of milk, eggs, honey, etc.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
I don't get the downvotes here, could someone explain how this is offensive?
Load More Replies... Ekate 3 years ago
I didn't downvote it, but I'm guessing its the implication that carnivores eating each other is somehow the same as us forcing their pregnancies, keeping them in torturous conditions and killing them in fear when we don't need to, when it is in fact very bad for the environment.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
So people think that the person who posted the comment was saying that it is ok to be cruel to animals? I guess it could be understood that way, but all they said is that they eat animal products, and that it's natural that life eats each other? I just love the way that this is the exact behaviour that is ridiculed in other BP articles. This is such a loving, caring community, isn't it?
3 years ago
I don't approve of forced breeding or animal cruelty, I'm just talking about the meat eating ones.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
And do you know what is also natural??? That life kills each other .... and that life - nature does NOT discriminate!!! Why do you think people kill each other???? Why is there everywhere in the man's world so much crime, BlockDog02??????? You are one heck of a "philosopher".
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
There are many explanatory comments below, BlockDog, just read them and heed the truth and facts.
Claire 3 years ago
Animals eat each other because they need to. Lions can't go to the store and buy tofu and meat substitutes and, unlike us humans, wouldn't even be able to digest them properly. Comparing yourself to wild animals when you buy all your food from a supermarket is strange. The question is whether you love meat or you love animals. Are your tastebuds more important than their lifetime of suffering and painful deaths?
3 years ago
Listen. Eating meat is natural. I don't like the harsh conditions they are put in or anything like that, but it's normal to eat meat. Meat contains protein that is hard to replicate with just a plant based diet. Many people who go vegan get health problems from doing so. There are ways to make it up, but it goes off my cultural route. I want the animals to be killed quickly and not in large amounts. Humans were created to depend on vegetables and meat. Seldom is black or white.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
"Dear" Listen: meat eating is not natural for humans, and completely unnecessary any more, and you do not care about "harsh conditions they (animals) are put in..." No, vegans do NOT get health problems, just the opposite, they live long, pain-free, healthy lives!!! Meat protein is bad protein which is causing all those medical problems for ignorant meat, dairy, eggs eaters, because all contain bad, hard to digest animal protein and cholesterol!!!! Why, do you think, we have health crisis? Because people eat a lot of vegetables, fruits, legumes, WHOLE grains???? Why do we have opioid crisis ??? Vegans do not pop pain killers - they're not in chronic pains!!!
Ekate 3 years ago
Ok, I read it. Meat eating may have been natural in the past, living in caves, etc - now? A poor meat-eating diet, with processed meat, fried, or more than small amounts at a time, causes lots of health problems. There are plenty of people who are vegan and unhealthy, yes. But a whole food plant based diet is not only without any health problems, but also can help avoid some serious health problems. Protein is found in most plant based foods, eat a small selection, and you get enough protein easily.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
There are not plenty of unhealthy vegans, Ekate. There are only plenty of people who do not adhere COMPLETELY to the WHOLE plant-based (vegan) diet....but they call themselves vegans.
DC 3 years ago
Oh. Read it is. Humans weren't created, they evolved. In evolution, there is no top end, there are branches, a given time is a horizontal area - we're as developed as spiders are, as cats are, as ... - current spiders, cats, ... . We're not top of this, neither of creation, for in reality, the known facts is that we're one branch at one length. Anyway, something being natural isn't a valid point for people living in the unnatural modern society, in houses, using cars and trains and faucets and don't die of most diseases. We also care for people more and better fitting than in earlier times, and the things we found out are taken into account regarding everything involving us. Science demands to be taken seriously, whatever it implies. In our relationships with other animals, there's more wrong than right. It's one-sided, and even among humans, in total causes more damage than it provides usage. A cultural reason might work in convincing people called cultural-relativists, which I ...
DC 3 years ago
... am not. This is part 2, btw. If a culture requires cruelty, the culture is in the wrong. Foie Gras isn't justified just because the French did this for a few hundred years, or how long ever. Slavery was part of many cultures, that is no reason to have more understanding for it than if this difference would occur within a shared cultural background. The judgement, if one is required, however, could be affected by the situation in which the event or process in question happened. But that isn't interesting, for this isn't a trial in that sense. Anyway, a culture can overcome things if these things are recognized as wrong, usually starting with a part of the adjacent society (...-ies). The general direction of common sense and Zeitgeist are, luckily, expanding the area of subjects to be taken into account for their own right in ethical standards, and taking care more seriously, more knowing. One of those things is our knowledge about animals' inner life, feeling, thinking, perception.
3 years ago
Firstly, I don't like the concept of Foie Gras. Animal Cruelty doesn't appeal to me. Secondly, my mothers side of the family has history with sauces, all of them containing animal products. Ridding myself of that from my life is something I cannot do. (Also, whatever was cruel in my families culture was rejected for the most part). Thirdly, what if what we do is natural? If all other animals knew how to do what humans do, chances are, they would do it. We live on this Earth. Whatever we make is made from it. I'm not saying everything we do is okay, it's not, but we are animals as well. We have no idea what is natural and what is not, we just don't have that insight. Fourthly, nothing is really one sided. We do bad things and we know it. We know how to stop it, but why don't we is the big question. I would say a concept called money, but that is what brings us order. So we cannot ban money, but at the same time we cannot ban bad people and their motivation is money. See the problem now?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
"We" are killing each other because "we" are killing animals and that's "natural". (???) Nature's savagery and cruelty are in all of us, to a very, very different extend, of course - ranging from a virtual zero to 100 %. I bet that you and your "natural" family does not like the first part of this "natural" equation. If humans want to live happily ever after, they have to dissociate themselves from nature's b - e -s -t -i - a - l - i - t -y !!!! There's no other way. Never was, never will be.
3 years ago
Follow up, I agree with where your thinking foils down to. I do. And I want to help. I never said all of these comics are ok or anything, I just said I eat a lot of meat and so do other animals. I never said I supported animal cruelty or anything, (which I don't), I just said it's normal for us, as humans, to eat meat. But from what I can tell, I just want the same thing as you: a better world.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
....."I am crook and liar.... so what, so are other people! ??" that is your reasoning and lame, cruel excuse, who ever you are "Follow up". You even do not put your name to your apathetic comments. You not only eat meat, you eat a lot of meat, you support animal cruelty and destruction of our planet, just admit it, for god sake. Because of "people" like you there NEVER be a better world, that's what many wise thinkers of all ages agree on.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
......and you - "My problem" eat a lot animal flesh, their milk and eggs, and you .... cause a lot of immense pain and unconscionable, unnecessary suffering of innocent, sentient beings, and........unavoidable destruction of our planet.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
....... so, who ever you are, your feelings and conscience are right, this post is about irresponsibility, lack of empathy which causes all pain and suffering of innocent, defenseless sentient beings and total, unavoidable destruction of our planet.... and you are a lot causing it.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is the truth Ricky Moore!!! That is how "people" justify their crimes - "I'm thief, but it's perfectly OK because others are thieves too". What a croc of sh1te that you don't see Mewton's Third Paw's point.
Hermitbunny 3 years ago (edited)
We are still in a great, Worldwide Argument about how all human beings should be treated. If you think these are cruel, think of what we do to each other. When you think of animal slaughter, do you take a moment to think about the person doing the killing? For many, that job is their only option, they don't want to be there. But people want what they want, the majority is only willing to pay for cheap labor, and we've set up almost perfect systems where we don't have to see the blood behind the closed doors. Sweep that under the rug and sell sell sell.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Hermitbunny, You have it backwards. Human rights and equal justice for people are unachievable WITHOUT animal rights, THEIR right to life, happiness, and freedom. Period!!!! - "Do not fancy that you will lower yourselves by sympathy with the lower creature; you CANNOT sympathize RIGHTLY with the higher, unless you do with those. " - John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) English essayist, critic, reformer. .....and many other wise thinkers. - "He who does not value life, does not deserve it." - Leonardo Da Vinci (1452 - 1519) Florentine painter, sculptor, architect, engineer. -"He who causes suffering, shall suffer." - Buddha ..... and so because of cruelties of so many we all continue to "suffer'.
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Yoga Kitty 3 years ago
Most of your comments seem really angry and aggressive to me - please believe me, we will never change peoples minds through anger and aggression. Everybody makes up their mind in their own time. Explain to everyone who wants to hear, educate the children if you have a chance to, be an overall good example yourself, anything you like - but hissing at others will not do this matter any good. Always rise higher than the problem itself!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
The only problem is that those who do not want to hear the truth that they are doing something bad, painful, and destructive, they always will feel they were attacked and threatened because they have no intention to change their cruel and destructive behavior. There really are not many of those who can educate the children let alone to set good example.
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Education is the base, but mostly empathy. Kids could be able to share time with animals like dogs in safe places like schools, so they can learn empathy. I say this as a kid isnt necessarily prepared to have a dog or a cat, and in the completely worst of the cases, we dont want to give a psycho kid or negligent parents an animal to make it suffer until its death. There have been cases.
G.L.T. 3 years ago
You call it tasteless, but it’s reflecting the reality of how we treat non-human animals. You are right to feel disgust because the reality is, this is disgusting behavior on our end. The solution is then to do something about it. Stop supporting these systems. And while we are overpopulated, these actions are not vital to our survival. In fact, many of them contribute to our inability to sustain ourselves long-term. Even just getting rid of the factory farming industry (which covers several of these panels), would mitigate so much of the damage we are doing as a result of our overpopulation.
Load More Replies... BlockDog02 3 years ago
Generally replying to Csaba, food for meat-animals takes up space that could feed millions of people with plants like soy for example, so that's one thing we could change ^^
DC 3 years ago
Yeah, but it all goes down the John once the holy cow dead cow is put into question. Even before there is any attempt to answer it, the justification-orgy enrolls itself, and the weird story about not eating meat being somehow extreme or so comes back along. As long as the majority does, you'll always find a majority for even the stupidest attempts to reasonaway the suffering it causes, while being totally useless. The entire meat industry doesn't contribute to any good, but to more bad than any other industry. It's the most cruel we have, the least useful we have, and enormously huge. If I had that set of facts on my side, I'd get defensive without external reason, too.
Sue Bradley 3 years ago
These are not wild extremes of animal treatment - they are quite mild if anything. Look up the facts if you can face it. I am vegan because of these facts . Xxx
DC 3 years ago
Same! These are actually the mild side of information appropriate for children. The reality of animal abuse in industrial scale is a lot worse than depicted here ... this is a starting point. And a good one - but it isn't a complete set of information. Most people would be overwhelmed by the sheer scale of all those uncivilized treatments of sentient beings to pamper greed and cheapassery, but still have no problem in buying that stuff, thereby supporting cruelty they themselves can't bear watching, let alone execute themselves.
Load More Replies... Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
I just became vegetarian, but after watching a horrible video of the fur industry and a vegan post about anti meat, basically. Later, i quit using leather and yarn. I still eat eggs and milk tho. Im aware about the cruelty of the milk industry and i know i must change this habit. I also consume gelatine, which is made of dead animal gristle, and red colorant made of woodlouse insect (i looked for the traduction in google, its supposted to be “cadmin de cochinilla”). My idea is to not use anything which has to be done by killing an animal, and in these cases, with the colorant and with the gelatine, its done. In the case of milk, its taken away from the calves, and the calves are taken away from their moms... i need to do a mental job here to leave milk, but its so present in many products....
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Bernardita, first of all thank you for you efforts to become a totally compassionate consumer. It is not hard at all to switch to plant-based dairy and eggs at all. There are plenty of delicious, healthy products on the market today - milks, cheeses, yogurts which will not sabotage your body's natural ability to defend itself and run smoothly without a glitch till advanced age.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
I really don't get the hate against PETA, as a European not really into the popular stuff on media, but from what I know it's just a normal kill shelter? Like I don't like kill shelters in general, but what's the stuff with especially PETA? I'm just curious lol. EDIT: Thanks for the explaining, and you're so generous with the downvotes here on BP
zovjraar 3 years ago
PETA doesn't believe in any form of animal ownership- they feel it's exploitation. so they do not believe in pet ownership, and feel the animals are better off euthanized than being owned. as a cat lover and owner, i can't get behind that. my cats are all rescued from the streets. they have a warm, dry home, they never go hungry or thirsty, and i do go outside with them, so they get fresh air as well. if they get sick or injured, they don't die a slow and agonizing death- they get care and get better. PETA is against all that i do for my cats and would rather see them dead than cared for and loved. eff PETA.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
zovijraar, I don't know where did you get this information, but it is complete misinformation and outright lie. Why don't you confront PETA by yourself and get the facts straight, here is contact information: People for Ethical Treatment of Animals, 501 Front Street, Norfolk, VA 23510, USA; Telephone: 757 - 622 - Peta = 7382, 757 - 962 - 8380, 757 - 962 - 82 13; internet: www.peta.org , cidinfo@peta.org Get the facts, get the truth, please.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
PETA has a history of (among other things) funding anti-animal testing arsonists, using fear tactics on children to vilify their parents, and general hypocrisy.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Logic and Reason, you are both illogical and unreasonable, and hateful. Where did you get these lies?? Please disclose the source or shut up!!!! Obviously you will not do that, haters and cowards never do.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog02, PETA does NOT run any shelter!!!! They support animal shelters. They are engage in fighting animal cruelty with any means possible: by investigating and exposing animal cruelty, rescuing victims of animal cruelty and neglect and placing them in reputable shelters or re-homing them, by fighting for animal rights in courts, to change laws by engaging law makers - the government agencies, by exposing animal cruelty by meat, dairy, egg, wool, fur, leather, and entertainment industries, by promoting healthy, compassionate diet for people; PETA is working everywhere in the world, because cruel, inhumane people are everywhere in the world.
DC 3 years ago
Meat-industry sponsored BS that is willingly believed by people who rely on the moral high ground towards people having actually higher standards than themselves. The shelters are no different than any other kill shelter is - bad enough these even exist, and in some states, they're mandatory even. Civilization hasn't come that far...
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Ok, so Peta is just known for being a kill shelter, and that's why I don't see people talking about other ones?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog02, once more, PETA does NOT own and/or run any shelter, they are rescuing abused and neglected animals and re-homing them or placing them in reputable shelters. Contact Peta and get the facts strait, I provided the contact information in above posts.
Bacony Cakes 3 years ago
PETA outright stole someone's dog and killed it. That's why we hate PETA.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Why we have Becony Cakes??? She is outright cruel and stupid, if she was smart and just she would ask Peta for their side of the story, it's only fair.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Here we go again, those "real" animal lovers are down-voting posts like Mewton's Third Paw's comments. The following is their creed: "I will ignore that it is someone that I have put into my meal. - I will call it by different name so that it was never something real. - I will deny there's another's misery stirred through my morning tea (coffee). - I will recall images of the greenest fields and pretend they live this free. - I will confirm my love for animals by holding my precious dog so tight. - I will close my ears and shut my eyes so I can fall asleep at night." - @love_is_freedom76
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, I'm thinking about going vegan, especially as it's better for the environment, but then I guess it's be best to be fruiterian, as plants also turn out to have feelings. I guess the best thing is ethical farms for both animals and plants *sigh* EDIT: I BELIEVE plants have feelings, based on "the hidden life of trees" and my own personal beliefs. Sorry for being unclear, and if I have offended anybody ^^
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
Plants are killed to feed animals more than humans. Vegan is enough.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, it's impossible to be perfect, it's just that the world is so overwhelming. EDIT: But I mean that you're right.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Plants are living things, nobody is disputing that, but they do not have the nervous system as animals and humans do, they do not feel pain as we do.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Sorry, I was unclear, I BELIEVE plants have feelings based on "the hidden life of trees" and my own personal experiences. I should have been more clear. ^^
Vi. B. 3 years ago
Plants don't have feelings, they don't have the neural structures for that, but even if you choose to believe that, going vegan kills less plants than eating meat so go for it!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
No, don't encourage them, Vi.B. "People" eat more than one million animals every single hour.....and hate, and hate vegans.
fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)
Incorrect. Animals are fed mostly food stuffs that are inedible to humans and would otherwise be wasted, bringing nutrients to a more macro level. Animals and creatures on all levels are more or less equally important part of nature and the distribution of organic matter to the entire cycle of life. And the numbers involved are misrepresented by "informative" sources. Here's some advice: if they are using manipulative means to change your behaviour, such as guilt, then their moral compass is probably not quite oriented correctly. If their method is mass emotional manipulation, then their motivation is probably something like sociopathy, cowardice, but in any case definitely ill-informed, ignorant, misguided and actually not benevolent. Though their hearts and inentions might be well meaning, by omitting information in favour of a narrative they present the probability of creating more harm than good. "The road to hell is paved by good intentions." Alan Watts. You'll find it on After Skool on Youtube. Listen to it. And if you are seeing things like this and can't see them as inherently cruel and harmful themselves in their cynism and dishonesty then perhaps you could benefit from paying closer attention to details.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
fuggnuggins (why don't you use your real name?) you are....how should I put it politely, you are misguided. Yes farm animals were/are fed by "stuff" that are inedible to humans....and to them. How do you think "mad cow disease" came to be???? - Stating the truth and facts became to be "manipulative means" to you? Our planet is being completely destroyed, animals suffer unconscionable pain at the hands of ruthless humans deprived of conscience, and you are talking about "misguided moral compass of vegans"? How dare you, you have no shame, and yes it is you who should feel guilty. The road to hell may be paved by good intentions, however, who are those walking on it toward hell???? There are many people like you who just hate those who do not cause harm, I don't know why; I only know that they are cruel and put many Youtube self-excusatory, blame misdirecting "Facts" on soc. media.... and those suits you well, don't they?
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Using emotional means to get people to change their behaviour is literally the whole point of art. Are you calling Shakespeare a sociopath? Caravaggio? David Lynch? Tolkein? Stormzy? Is there any form of creative expression that you don't find manipulative and cowardly? Should the artist just stick to painting pretty sunsets? Really, honestly curious about your viewpoint here.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog, yes I love plants and trees, they are great, but I thing they do not feel pain as animals and humans do, they don't have the same nervous system. Think about how much more plants animals eat which are raised to be murdered and eaten by humans. Actually, our digestive system is very similar to that of fruit, nut, and seeds eating animals. - "If the world went vegan we would free up land the size of Africa, and need only 20 % of it to feed 7 billion herbivores."
fuggnuggins 3 years ago
Look, mate, I've been veg for a quarter of a decade and I wouldn't want to discourage anyone for doing anything for the right reasons, but I would question: why vegan? Why do you want to go vegan? Do you so object to the natural cycle of life that you would try to overcome it by destroying it? Do you understand anything about biology and ecosystems, and how nutrients begin in very basic forms and pass from organism to organism to more and more macro forms of life? Do you have any comprehension what the consequences would be to interfere with that? There's nothing wrong with being a natural being. I think it is a naive and neglectful error to remove oneself from nature. And we do it in many misguided ways, with misplaced good intentions. Religion can be removing us from nature, artificially placing us above nature. Materialism can do it. And so can something as seemingly virtuous as veganism. It is one thing to refrain from cruelty, but I think wrong to deny one's nature.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
What the heck are you talking about fuggnnuggins??? To your health and nature point: why plant-base (vegan)? Because just like meat, dairy and eggs do NOT provide ANY vitamins, minerals, antioxidants, any phytochemicals the human body needs to protect itself and function properly, those are provided ONLY by COMPLETE carbohydrates - fruits, vegetables, legumes, and WHOLE grains - do you understand it? About naturalness and dairy: There is no other mammalian creature in nature who would drink mother's milk after weaning let alone the milk from different species, only humans are capable of a such cruel perversion!!! Animal milk protein casein is very dissimilar from human milk protein and (together with strong, hard to digest proteins in meat and eggs) is contributing to chronic, painful inflammations in human body - like arthritis, chronic diseases - like diabetes, which CAN be reversed by plant-based (vegan) diet, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers, and other ills...
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
.....to fuggnuggins: Why do you ignore that vegans are healthier, have stronger and denser bones, than meat, dairy, etc. consumers? Animal agriculture (factory farming) is the cause of deforestation and overall destruction of wild lands and wildlife, talking about ecosystem and nature! Human race is not only removing itself from nature, it is destroying nature and consequently itself. Yes, religion is placing humankind above all other "creations", materialism and overconsumption are causing all the same to our planet, but why do you blame veganism for all that demise is beyond me. By not consuming ANY animal products, vegans do not contribute in any way to the destruction of nature; vegans do not overconsume in general out of respect for our planet and all life it supports; vegans (consumers of plant-based food, if you prefer this term) create as small carbon footprint as possible, I just can't understand why you don't recognize it. What you mean by "I've been veg for....."???
AlmightyOne 3 years ago
Some of these I agreed with. Dogfights, beating baby seals to death, animal testing, and hunting for sport are all bad, but I'm still going to eat meat.
littlesaresare 3 years ago
Consider eating meat from a source that isn't a factory farm?
Load More Replies... SloeLoris 3 years ago
Yes but be *careful* with this one. It's standard practice in the meat industry to outright lie about how animals are kept. A lot of meat factories even have "show farms" where visitors can see well-cared-for creatures chomping grass and pecking seeds in the sunshine - but investigate a bit further and the numbers just don't add up. I'm the guiltiest person in the world here - for years I would only eat "ethical" meat, without realising how thoroughly, cynically and profitably I'd been lied to. Some of the most disturbing pictures here are from the artist's series called "Happy Farms", and I'm 100% sure she called it that for a reason.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
Yes, I agree it's ok to eat meat, as plants also have been shown to have feelings, so just please eat from ethical farms and don't eat the horrid amounts some people eat, it's perfectly enough for 2 a week. EDIT: Wow ok I didn't know this would be such a controversial topic, just to clear it up, I BELIEVE plants have feelings, based on the book, "The hidden life of trees", and I read it a long time ago, so don't remember all the details, this is not a stated fact. If you're interested, please research for yourself ^^ And I do care for animals, I'm seriously considering becoming at least vegeterian, it's just that when you think about it, like it's impossible to not hurt anything and why wouldn' plants have feelings, I'm just saying I'm not stopping anyone consuming ethical (as much as possible) meat, as long as they know what they're doing, as life is more complicated than that. And yes, I do love animals and I eat meat at a minimum anyway, though I guess it's not the easiest when you mostly don't make your own meals (still a teenager ;P).
Ekate 3 years ago
I don't think "reacts to stimulus" can be considered feelings - I mean, my phone reacts to stimulus. Animals scream with fear.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, I understand your opinion and my opinion is not a fact, it's what believe with the information I have. And to be honest, it would be way easier without believing that, but I guess that's life. We can't really say anything feels, for what I know, I could be the only person in the world who actually feels pain as I do. So I understand what you say, respect your opinion, and since mine is kind of undecided I won't try to persuade you to my opinion ^^
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, I mean based on the book "The hidden life of trees" I believe that they have feelings, though my memory of it is kind of foggy, I just believe that why shouldn't they, but sorry, I'm not stating it as a definite fact. If you want a source please read the book itself or something similar ^^
Mewton’s Third Paw 3 years ago
If you cared about plant feelings then you’d be against meat production since more plants are killed to feed meat producing animals. You don’t care about animals. Just say it.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, that's why I'm against eating the horrid amounts of meat many people in the richer parts of the world eat, but I will not stop anyone from eating justifiable amounts, as I'm not an expert on the matter, and I'm still only a teen. I edited the comment to clear it up, hope it helps. Sorry if I made that impression, that was the opposite of my desire ^^
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog, if you be an animal to be murdered, you wouldn't consider any "justifiable" amount for which you should die. Also there are many teenagers who become vegans simply for the reason of justice for innocent animals. There are many plain-based proteins on the market - Beyond meat, impossible burger, sausage, Gardein products, delicious milks, cheeses, yogurts, ice creams, and eggs. Those, who hate vegans, will not even try them. And that is something egregious when one can do good but chooses not to.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
BlockDog, animals murdered for human consumption (billions upon of billions of them) eat 80 % of plants, people only eat 20 %. Also animals are murdered in a most heinous way, they die in unconscionable agony, it's not that they didn't know what hit them. Some believe that if "people" saw how animals are murdered at the slaughterhouses, or any other places, that they would stop eating meat, dairy eggs, wear animal skins, etc. ...... well, I wish that to be true.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
Ok, tbh I thought your comment was differently worded at first, so I recommend just eating small amounts of meat and from the most ethical possible sources, and respect the animal in death, like Kikistarflyer is saying
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Please, BlockDog, do not recommend eating animals, there are soon to be 8 billion of people on this planet, eating "small" amounts will not satisfy them, and those "small" amounts will come to millions of animals consumed by every single hour. Instead, recommend plant-based proteins (meats) Beyond Burger, Impossible Burger, Sausage, Gardein brand, plant-based cheeses, yogurts, ice creams, those are all delicious and will NOT cause health and opioid crises, destruction of our planet, and unconscionable pain and suffering to farm animals. This is what you should recommend!
Vonev Kalinsk 2 years ago
I like meat but I don't like killing animals how do I fix this I try to if possible eat Lab Grown Meat!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
I know you will, and all other suffering, sentient beings ...and our planet can go to hell. How much pain and destruction will satisfy your appetite for meat?
Claire 3 years ago
Why? You just don't care enough about their suffering to change your diet? Your tastebuds are more important than their lives?
AlmightyOne 3 years ago
I eat meat because humans are omnivores. Because it's natural for us. I don't eat it every day, of course, but I eat it because we evolved to eat both meat and plants and I'm not about to cut either one out of my diet. You can have your opinion, but I could easily say the same to vegans about plants. They die for us, too. The only way to not cause any suffering of other creatures would be to not eat at all, and die of starvation as a result. I'll eat what I want.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Not -AlmightyOne- at all; The bottom line is that you will eat what you want, and everything else can go to hell, and please, stop that stupid excuse, plants have feelings too, you do not give a damn about them as well, because animals you caused to be murdered eat way, way more plants than people who do not eat flesh of murdered animals do. Got it? From the beginning, humans were herbivores, our digestive system is similar to that of fruits, nuts, and seeds eating animal. So stop making those lame excuses and try plant-based proteins I listed in my post(s) above. Your body, our planet, and suffering animals will thank you for it.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Commander OwO, just opposite is true!!!!! Immediately, when you stop consuming animal protein -meat, dairy - eggs - you will have more energy, because it is hard for your digestive system to digest animal proteins - it takes up to 8 hours; plan-based proteins are easily digested and that means more energy is available to you. About medical "stuff": people consuming plan-based food (vegans) are healthy till very old age, have stronger and denser bones, stronger immune system and do not damage their organs like you do. They do not suffer from painful inflammations - like arthritis, and diabetes, heart diseases/clogged arteries, various cancers... yes, that's coming to you after age of 55 - 65, do you understand it, "Doctor" Commander???
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully, no. No human ever died of "medical stuff" by giving up meat. You don't even need it to be at peak health. You can see this if you look at some of the civilizations in history that are famous for their physical prowess. The Spartans ate meat twice a year but were otherwise fully vegan. The Roman legions who conquered most of the known world had a monthly meat ration of about 300g. The samurai of the Tokugawa era ate no meat and occasional servings of shellfish; ninjas never ate it for religious reasons and also to keep themselves in perfect physical condition. The explorers of the 15th-16th centuries had no way of keeping meat fresh, so went fully vegan during the sailing season. Here in the UK, our WW2 fighter pilots didn't eat meat because (a) they realised it affected their alertness and reactions and (b) there wasn't any - the efficient use of land was a priority on our dinky little island, so meat production plummeted.
Baby Panda 3 years ago (edited)
animal abuse and slaughter is horrible, although most people don't care unless they see it happen to a human, some people wouldn't even care unless it were a white cis male human, i'm vegetarian for this reason, i have no problems with other people eating meat, i just hope that they came from local farms that don't keep their animals in cages or small stalls for their whole lives untill they get killed
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Mewton's Third Paws, congratulation, you're doing good job, you really get on their nerves, under their skin - down-voting like crazy your comments. Yes, it's coming to me too. "No one is more hated than the one who says the truth." - Plato
Kennedy Johnson 3 years ago
Yes. Thanks for making this. It really made me think more about animal cruelty.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Go for it Pheonix, try Beyond Burger, Impossible Burger, Sausage (I like original, rather than Italian version) Gardein Brand is great, so are plant-based dairy. I myself do not need to have plant-based meats but sometimes I do.
Ekate 3 years ago
What a well-drawn and thought out collection! These are the reason I turned vegan a couple years ago, though I forgot the animal suffering after a while, I stayed vegan because once you stop, you realise how gross it is - milk with blood and pus in it, meat filled with antibiotics, the hormones, the links to cancer, heart disease, etc., not to mention the fact the the planet cannot sustain us eating so much meat for much longer. The only reason to eat meat is because you like the way it tastes. Is that a good enough reason for torturing and killing a creature?
Zedrapazia 3 years ago
To me, absolutely, as long as the animal doesn't come from a mass breeding center or some s**t. Also, the reason humans eat meat is not the taste, and you can literally die or get blind without it because you are missing important vitamins as B12 for example. And supporting polluting industry in China that produces B12 pills is not really anything better
Load More Replies... BlockDog02 3 years ago
Yes, but there are natural sources of those vitamins, as many vegans can prove :P. But I'm not totally against meat, just as long as it's ethical, and you don't eat too much as farms for food for meat-animals take up space that could feed millions of people ^^. And it turned out plants have feelings, so....
Ruth Peacock 3 years ago
Been vegetarian for several generations in our family. No issues yet. Vegan is also very doable these days if you don't suffer from allergies. Each to their own. It's ok to say you like it and aren't ready to give it up, but there really is no general medical need for it.
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully disagree, but this is a really important point that shouldn't get buried in the comments so upvoted for that reason. In the rich "West" we live in a world where anyone can get a Big Mac any time of day, but have to drive for an hour to get an apple. I urge everyone to go vegan, but please can we have a sensible conversation about how we can make it cheaper and more accessible for real people living real, stressful, time-pressured, hungry lives?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
SloeLoris, it can only happen when consumers ask for healthy dietary options of plant-based food, only then entrepreneurs will invest in the food business which creates healthy human population, healthy planet, and eliminates unconscionable torture of sentient farm animals. Based on so many comments here on BP, it will not happen any time soon, if ever. It is very hard to fight against human ignorance, arrogance, hate, selfishness, and cruelty. - "Only two things are infinite, the universe and human stupidity, and I'm not sure about the former." - Albert Einstein .... I agree with the great one, only that the two things which are for sure infinite are human cruelty and stupidity.
SloeLoris 3 years ago
To be honest, I've seen a lot of kindness, compassion and knowledge on these threads though. For example: I'd never have thought that hologram circuses were a thing! I 100% agree with you about how we need to treat animals better, but I worry that you think humans are trash. I think all of us are trying to do our best and many of us are compassionate, empathic, curious, inventive and kind. I'd hate to think that loving animals would also mean you have to hate humans - however much we hate what some humans do.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
It depends what diet you have I suppose, but if you have the right plants it's definitely fine. I think it comes from people who start being vegan but just eat the wrong things.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
BlockDog02, what are you talking about? What wrong things vegans eat? The plant-based (Vegan diet): fruits, vegetables, legumes, WHOLE grains.!! Vegans are healthier, do not suffer from "old age" pains, bad conditions and diseases such as: arthritis, diabetes, heart diseases, clogged arteries, Alzheimer's, various cancers, failed organs, and other ills. I have a relative, she's in her mid-seventies, her last laboratory tests - the Comprehensive Metabolic Panel which examine kidneys, liver, electrolytes, acid/base balance, blood sugar and blood proteins, calcium, sodium, potassium; and the Lipid Panel test that determine risk of coronary heart disease, it measures cholesterol levels, triglycerides - the result of all these tests was PERFECTLY NORMAL - that's how Docs worded it!!! What meat - dairy - eggs -eater in her age can say that?? (if drugs keep them still alive). So, yes BlockDog, it sure depends on the right diet and denying the facts will not make you healthy and pain free.
Yoga Kitty 3 years ago
If you have a balanced diet being vegan is perfectly fine. You might have to look into adding the B vitamins and some other minerals but that is no big deal. On the other hand, you can be a meat eater and still be terribly malnourished if you eat the same few things every day... Care for yourself and care for other living beings! <3
Zophra 3 years ago
There are alternative sources for B12 for vegans... I found this information in less than 8 seconds. https://www.medicalnewstoday.com/articles/320524
BlockDog02 3 years ago
When you cite sources, please read them beforehand. This page says that it's the easiest to get b12 from meat, dairy and eggs, but that you can get it from other sources, and that they do give you vitamin B12, but MIGHT lead to a deficiency, so your point is not valid. If you want to prove it, at least find sources proving your cause.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
I get what you mean, but the meat does have B12 naturally, you must have gotten some disinformation. ^^ Just clearing it up for you.
BlockDog02 3 years ago (edited)
And damn, half of India is not blind from being vegeterian, and I do not get your point. Are you against meat or pro-meat? As you have points against both. And do not say things like kill yourself, this could be considered trying to make people commit suicided, and is really unpleasant for someone to receive those messages. At least be decently polite. EDIT: Baby Panda kindly explained that I misunderstood, so sorry.
Baby Panda 3 years ago
i think you misunderstood, :) mewton was saying that it's not true that people become blind from being vegetarian, that's just ridiculous.....
SloeLoris 3 years ago
Respectfully: like about 9% of white people, I have a genetic deficiency in processing B-12. I could literally eat raw steak all day and still be B-12 deficient. I get a shot every 3 months and I'm fine. But for anybody not going vegan because of the B-12: the worst case scenario is that you need an extra hour's sleep, have lighter periods and get drunk quicker.
Freya the Wanderer 3 years ago
No better way to point out how atrociously we treat other critters than the classic figure-ground reversal.
Load More Replies... bryguy 3 years ago
I'm more concerned about these comments from people with such certainty about all these topics. "I know for a fact animals have no souls" or "It's impossible for any living creature to have an understanding of this" or "It's a fact animal parents do not remember their children." Come on... how can any of us say for certainty any of that? And saying your religious beliefs explain it all is a load of crap. It's scary the lengths people will go to to try and justify how abuse to animals is okay.
VeninTheNonBinaryRogue 3 years ago
The only places I eat meat from are ethically sourced. Like grass fed cows not kept in stupid cages their entire life, and chickens that were allowed to walk around outside and stuff like that. I think it’s ok to eat some meat as long as it’s ethically sourced
SloeLoris 3 years ago
I support ethical farming but please be careful! A lot of meat farms will go to immense lengths to lie to you about how their animals are cared for. Many meat factories now have "show farms" for people who want to be ethical meat-eaters and care about animal welfare, but in so many cases the numbers just don't add up. SOURCE: I completely fell for this for years, before I did the maths.
Kat 3 years ago (edited)
I agree with most of them. Still going to eat meat though. I believe that if an animal is killed for food and most of the animal is used (skin, all meat, bones, etc), it's natural. We are omnivores, which means, our body is accustomed eat meat also. I see nothing wrong with that. For me it's about the way how a said animal is raised. If someone chooses not to eat meat, it's their choice. I'm just sick and tired of people who call meat eaters bad people. We are not. I'm pro choice in any matter. By the way, many forests are taken down to make fields where they grow vegan food. Many rainforests are taken down and all the species that live there killed, to make room for palm oil plantations. Every coin has 2 sides. If you look only one side, you don't see the other.
Vi. B. 3 years ago
Natural is different from ethical, we (as a human living in a developed country) can live perfectly without exploiting and killing other sentient being, the only reason we still do it is to please or taste bud, not ethical at all to choose to keep exploiting animals
Load More Replies... Ekate 3 years ago
Of course, but how can you feed everyone "ethical" meat when today 99% of meat comes from factory farms? Are you saying you don't eat burgers, any processed meat, you are one of the few who can afford the 1% hand reared, outdoor raised? And that "vegan food"? Palm oil, soy - that is grown to feed those animals in feed lots - if we all went vegan, we could have our rainforest back. You might be only looking at one side of that coin yourself?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Ekate, when more and more people ask for ethical and totally healthy plant-based food choices, only then prices would come down..... and think about how much money you would save on health insurance - you and tax-paying public, nothing is for free, somebody has to pay for it.
Kat 3 years ago (edited)
I eat a burger maybe 3-4 times a year and our family doesn't eat processed food. I buy meat directly from local farmers and get it at the same price as factory farm meat at shops.Palm oil is a component in most processed foods these days so not for animals. And vegans Do eat a lot of soy products.
Ekate 3 years ago
Palm oil is used in animal feed, shampoo, lipstick, doughnuts, as a bio fuel - Vegans eat a fraction of the soy that is produced for animals - I could keep answering you, but I'm sure a quick google would do that for me if you were interested. I am curious though, do you think it's feasible for the rest of the world to eat like you? What do you think is the solution to the rise in meat eating and the corresponding rise in factory farms, where the animals are fed soy etc to plump them up fast?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
The solution to all grave, self - inflicted problems humanity is facing is the plant - based (vegan) diet. - "Veganism is the single biggest way to reduce your environmental impact on the planet." - University of Oxford ... "Save the world from you - go vegan!"..... Think about future of your children/grandchildren - because of you, they will not have a future, because you made the planet unlivable for them.
Kat 3 years ago
Well. I personally think that most people eat too much meat. So cutting down the amount might already make a huge difference. You know, eat less, maybe once or twice a week, but better meat, not stuff your face with factory farm meat every day and every meal. And yes, maybe bigger countries feed their animals with soy. In my country, we feed them grass (and hay) mostly.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Feed yourself with compassion, Kat. Cutting down on meat will not work, because it's not just consumption of meat which is killing your body, our planet, and, of course, suffering farm animals - but who gives a damn about them, right? - It is also eating dairy and eggs (tons of them). The majority of "people" will never cut down on any of those, because their appetite for flesh, milk (dairy), and eggs of animals .... is insatiable!!!! They are totally deprived of empathy and moral responsibility to our planet and ALL life it supports (...is so far able to support).
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
I'm just wondering, Ekate, what do you call aggression in relation to eating habits of humans and survival of our planet and universal compassion? The truth? The uncomfortable facts? Was I aggressive toward those who did NOT post insulting and derogatory comments themselves?
SloeLoris 3 years ago (edited)
Cutting down does make a HUGE difference if you come from a culture like mine (British) where it's expected to have 3 meals a day and meat at every meal - and taught that it's "healthy" and "balanced". Cutting it out altogether is better for you, the planet and the animals, but honestly if you make the decision to have one less bacon sandwich a week and you stick to it, I WILL fully bust out my pompoms and cheerleader that. The good is not the enemy of the better.
DC 3 years ago
... and yet, you seem to feel the need to justify and to get some things mixed around. There are no forests taken down to make fields where they grow vegan food ... well, not vegan human-food, but vegan food used to be transformed into meat and dairy. Calling this "seeing both sides of the coin" is ... stunning.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Who is aggressive.... and cowardly here are those who down-voted C C's comment!!!!!! The truth hurts.
Katie Lutesinger 3 years ago
This reminds me of a short story I read when I was a kid. The poor helpless main character is the pet of a nasty spoilt little girl named Zeena, but she still remembers the family she was torn away from and longs for freedom. One day she finally escapes... and then you find out that she was actually a human child and Zeena is an alien kid whose parents probably abducted the main character just to get an exotic pet for their little (green) princess.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is horrific reality how many people love horror fiction, and those who enjoy seeing other sentient beings to suffer - to them is not horror, it's pleasure, delight. How can peace on the Earth be achieved? It never will, unless people teach their children compassion toward ANY sentient life - regretfully, there is no chance of that happening either. There NEVER will be human rights and justice for all without animal rights - their right to life, happiness, and humane treatment, period.
TimesNewLogan 3 years ago
Well, it started off good... but then it became clear that the artist supports PETA, so doesn't exactly care about facts.
hobbitly 3 years ago
What is stopping you from looking into the facts yourself?
Load More Replies... Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is you, TimesNewLogan who does NOT care about facts. How many animals world- wild did you saved? Please stop attacking Peta and sign up to volunteer. Talk to people who do. Hate, hate, hate is all you have to offer.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Well, it is bad to spread lies, misinformation, and insult, especially on the soc. media, Soulstice; it looks like you did not found your soul. Peta is very kind not to sue all of those haters, it would be so easy. Boy, here we go again, lot of those truth "lovers" down-voting Mewton's comment again... for stating the obvious conclusion.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
Uh, have you looked into PETA in the slightest? They literally fund arsonists. And yes, I have fact checked and done my research.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Illogical and unreasonable "Logic and Reason", whose "facts" did you checked???? I suggest you check them - follow the money, there is always the reason to destroy someone by spreading lies and misinformation.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is happening because people - consumers are causing them to happen, Val.
Adalina 2 years ago (edited)
This kinda made me sick... but they really are -mostly-true. The main thing I saw was the bees. Bees chose to stay in a human hive and if they don't like it, they WILL pack up and leave. They give a small amount of the thing they are making constantly in exchange for protection from bears and other bugs. Bees aren't kept on leashes! The rest seemed really true. I probably won't go vegetarian/vegan, but I'll start eating more kosher for sure!
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago (edited)
Once i saw a video in which they showed a couple of psychos cutting the tail and the fins of a little shark and then throwin it back to the sea... u could see how the shark slowly sunk until it reached the bottom... that little shark was doomed to die of hunger. Imagine one day a couple of ppl grab u and cut ur arms and legs and leave u in the floor, but u cant move, u cant ask for help, and u dont even know what happened, why, and that you will never be able to move ever again. Fin industry is also one of the most cruel ones cause they mutilate the sharks and leave them to die without any chance of help at all... and all of this for some stupid soup thats supposed to make ur little penis stronger or somethin like that?
Kaori Panda 3 years ago
The whole eating meat thing is something that I can't not do. I'm unable to go vegetarian or vegan. However, I try my best to only eat meat that does not come from a factory farm. I don't drink milk either.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Kaori Panda, I'm just curious, why wouldn't you be able to adopt vegan or even vegetarian diet? All the medical problems non - vegans are suffering from are non - existent in vegans!!!! My guess is that you would have to transition very slowly and gradually.
Logic and Reason 3 years ago
As a vegetarian: we need medical animal testing. The COVID vaccine was made with animal testing. It’s unfortunate, but it is needed.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Logic and Reason, you are Illogical and Unreasonable. - "I know of no achievement through vivisection, no scientific discovery that could not have been obtained without such barbarism and cruelty." - Charles W. Mayo, MD ... that is circa 80 years ago he said it, today there are many non-animal methods of testing which are far more reliable and accurate. The vast majority of medical doctors and scientist agree that vivisection is retarding medical science. - What can prevent all future outbreaks of deadly viruses is you - humans, for obvious reasons: stop destruction of our planet - read D C's comment above and please bored pandas, stop down-voting the truth and facts, it will not help anyone. I sincerely hope that Bored Panda will not eliminate my comments.
Beezel Palomar 3 years ago
Most of these are forced and don't even make sense. Just for "shock".
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
All of these depict reality, and only what does not make sense is you, Beezel Palomar.
Lira Mai 3 years ago
Have anyone read The Promised Neverland? It is a manga turned anime, season 1 is in netflix. The concept is like this. Human are food.
Tracy Costa 3 years ago
These are good but I think Fantastic Planet (1973) made the same point very well.
Vonev Kalinsk 2 years ago
I am sure lots of people read this and go "I still like meat how can I stop" if you can afford it and it's available buy Lab Grown
fuggnuggins 3 years ago (edited)
I grew up around animals, most of my childhood friendships were limited to animals, am one of those people who probably most often have a greater appreciation for animals than people, and have been a vegetarian since I was about 16 - about 25 years now - and I think it ridiculous every single time I see one of these emotionally manipulative guilt trips that make ludicrous attempts to compare animal experiences directly to human experiences. Yes, they, to varying degrees, can suffer, feel fear, apprehension, grief. Obviously. They will each lack certain emotional experiences that we have. They most likely each have others that we lack. But this representation is just as dishonest as can be and is in denial of nature - to its, our, and their detriment. I think it fails to convey anything but the author's dissociation from nature and their ignorance of animals and people alike.Things that are not human beings are NOT human beings, and deserve to be recognised for what they ARE. The cycle of life can't be transcended just by a misguided will alone. We are part of nature, and we are best to remain mindful of the fact. For our benefit. For the benefit of animals. For the benefit of our natural world. That one would wish to not be cruel does follow that one remove themselves from nature. It is the placing of oneself outside of nature, even above nature, that creates the issues attempting to be addressed here in the first place.
Bettye McKee 3 years ago
This was too over-the-top for me. As a Christian, I cannot agree with most of this bleeding-heart tripe. God put man over all of the animals of the world and was aware that animals would be killed for food. I am only accountable for my own actions, and I do not mistreat animals.
Bacony Cakes 3 years ago
This would've been better if this showed things such as Goose Pulling, Jellyfish Macerators, the evils of PETH, or Japan's... everything.
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago (edited)
A lot of ppl seem to be offended by these illustrations. I invite u all to check all these cases in real life, cause all of these illustrations are not inventions of the artist, they are based on real life. The fact that u feel disgusted or offended by the drawings, or be surprised by the rage they provoked, makes me think, what the fck do ppl expect to feel? Cause for me at least, empathy is something ridiculously obvious. When u see cruelty, murder for fun, slavery... do u think these things are fair enough to be respected? What would u feel if u were in their case? Would u like to see ppl “offended” by what others rage while u are tortured? Or complain that what u are suffering is normal and should continue? Think about it when u are treated unfairly, u would like ppl to be on your side, defending u. Go, learn about each case, and seriously, if it doesnt change your perspective and feel empathy for the animals who suffer all these tortures, u are all psychos.
Vi. B. 3 years ago
It's hilarious under posts like this how absolutely everyone is eating meat from nice farms that don't over produce, or just have dairy from a cute cow that lives in a green field. Have a look at All you eat, and read labels, no you don't eat only that or you are a slight exception
Suzy the observer 3 years ago
Perhaps being vegan is not the Holy Grail but it certainly is our best option at the moment. This a lot more mainstream now, so many delicious products and ingredients are readily available.
SlapShot16 3 years ago
i swear that i will never eat an animal AGAIN going vegan i hate me now
M O'Connell 3 years ago (edited)
I am very conflicted on the subject of animal testing :( I will strongly agree that experimenting on animals is unethical. Computer simulations are excellent tools for gauging the potential metabolic effects of new drugs, but sooner or later they need to be tested in a real metabolism. However, without the ability to do that testing on animals companies (who still need to do safety testing) are going to move that testing to humans, and naturally the poorest and/or most vulnerable humans (i.e. least expensive). From an ethical standpoint, its difficult to argue that running experiments on poor people is somehow better than running them on pigs. Several drug manufacturers have come under fire recently for using homeless people as test subjects, particularly people suffering from mental illness.
Tobin Kern 3 years ago
Well when animals are at the top of the food chain then we can talk about this, but they arent.
Cori 3 years ago
And this is why I'm planting most of my garden in beans. Trying to get my protein from a source that doesn't have a face. I've been gradually reducing my meat intake over the past couple of years. I'm down to maybe 25% of what I would consume 2 years ago. I removed pork completely. I saw photos of mama pigs in gestation/ farrowing crates and I was just done. I have first hand experience with how intelligent and emotionally complex pigs are. I now how scared and confused my Ella pig would be if she were trapped in one of those awful cages. There is no way I am paying for pigs to be tortured like that. No amount of bacon on earth is worth that for me.
DogPerson7 3 years ago
Wow, definitely not happy, but it didn't sugarcoat anything and brought awareness.
Diana Eriksson 3 years ago
It's very well-drawn and impactful. Sometimes it's hard to face facts, and I'm sure you helped many reconsider things like furs and meat factories. Thank you for posting!
Felicity Lemon 3 years ago
These made me think about how we handle animals and realise how horrible we treat our only chance of life. We injure the circle of life a lot, and these drawings made me think
3 years ago (edited)
My problem with these things is that we eat them, yes, but they still eat each other! I love meat, but this just makes me feel like a bad person. I also eat a lot of milk, eggs, honey, etc.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
I don't get the downvotes here, could someone explain how this is offensive?
Load More Replies... Ekate 3 years ago
I didn't downvote it, but I'm guessing its the implication that carnivores eating each other is somehow the same as us forcing their pregnancies, keeping them in torturous conditions and killing them in fear when we don't need to, when it is in fact very bad for the environment.
BlockDog02 3 years ago
So people think that the person who posted the comment was saying that it is ok to be cruel to animals? I guess it could be understood that way, but all they said is that they eat animal products, and that it's natural that life eats each other? I just love the way that this is the exact behaviour that is ridiculed in other BP articles. This is such a loving, caring community, isn't it?
3 years ago
I don't approve of forced breeding or animal cruelty, I'm just talking about the meat eating ones.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
And do you know what is also natural??? That life kills each other .... and that life - nature does NOT discriminate!!! Why do you think people kill each other???? Why is there everywhere in the man's world so much crime, BlockDog02??????? You are one heck of a "philosopher".
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
There are many explanatory comments below, BlockDog, just read them and heed the truth and facts.
Claire 3 years ago
Animals eat each other because they need to. Lions can't go to the store and buy tofu and meat substitutes and, unlike us humans, wouldn't even be able to digest them properly. Comparing yourself to wild animals when you buy all your food from a supermarket is strange. The question is whether you love meat or you love animals. Are your tastebuds more important than their lifetime of suffering and painful deaths?
3 years ago
Listen. Eating meat is natural. I don't like the harsh conditions they are put in or anything like that, but it's normal to eat meat. Meat contains protein that is hard to replicate with just a plant based diet. Many people who go vegan get health problems from doing so. There are ways to make it up, but it goes off my cultural route. I want the animals to be killed quickly and not in large amounts. Humans were created to depend on vegetables and meat. Seldom is black or white.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
"Dear" Listen: meat eating is not natural for humans, and completely unnecessary any more, and you do not care about "harsh conditions they (animals) are put in..." No, vegans do NOT get health problems, just the opposite, they live long, pain-free, healthy lives!!! Meat protein is bad protein which is causing all those medical problems for ignorant meat, dairy, eggs eaters, because all contain bad, hard to digest animal protein and cholesterol!!!! Why, do you think, we have health crisis? Because people eat a lot of vegetables, fruits, legumes, WHOLE grains???? Why do we have opioid crisis ??? Vegans do not pop pain killers - they're not in chronic pains!!!
Ekate 3 years ago
Ok, I read it. Meat eating may have been natural in the past, living in caves, etc - now? A poor meat-eating diet, with processed meat, fried, or more than small amounts at a time, causes lots of health problems. There are plenty of people who are vegan and unhealthy, yes. But a whole food plant based diet is not only without any health problems, but also can help avoid some serious health problems. Protein is found in most plant based foods, eat a small selection, and you get enough protein easily.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
There are not plenty of unhealthy vegans, Ekate. There are only plenty of people who do not adhere COMPLETELY to the WHOLE plant-based (vegan) diet....but they call themselves vegans.
DC 3 years ago
Oh. Read it is. Humans weren't created, they evolved. In evolution, there is no top end, there are branches, a given time is a horizontal area - we're as developed as spiders are, as cats are, as ... - current spiders, cats, ... . We're not top of this, neither of creation, for in reality, the known facts is that we're one branch at one length. Anyway, something being natural isn't a valid point for people living in the unnatural modern society, in houses, using cars and trains and faucets and don't die of most diseases. We also care for people more and better fitting than in earlier times, and the things we found out are taken into account regarding everything involving us. Science demands to be taken seriously, whatever it implies. In our relationships with other animals, there's more wrong than right. It's one-sided, and even among humans, in total causes more damage than it provides usage. A cultural reason might work in convincing people called cultural-relativists, which I ...
DC 3 years ago
... am not. This is part 2, btw. If a culture requires cruelty, the culture is in the wrong. Foie Gras isn't justified just because the French did this for a few hundred years, or how long ever. Slavery was part of many cultures, that is no reason to have more understanding for it than if this difference would occur within a shared cultural background. The judgement, if one is required, however, could be affected by the situation in which the event or process in question happened. But that isn't interesting, for this isn't a trial in that sense. Anyway, a culture can overcome things if these things are recognized as wrong, usually starting with a part of the adjacent society (...-ies). The general direction of common sense and Zeitgeist are, luckily, expanding the area of subjects to be taken into account for their own right in ethical standards, and taking care more seriously, more knowing. One of those things is our knowledge about animals' inner life, feeling, thinking, perception.
3 years ago
Firstly, I don't like the concept of Foie Gras. Animal Cruelty doesn't appeal to me. Secondly, my mothers side of the family has history with sauces, all of them containing animal products. Ridding myself of that from my life is something I cannot do. (Also, whatever was cruel in my families culture was rejected for the most part). Thirdly, what if what we do is natural? If all other animals knew how to do what humans do, chances are, they would do it. We live on this Earth. Whatever we make is made from it. I'm not saying everything we do is okay, it's not, but we are animals as well. We have no idea what is natural and what is not, we just don't have that insight. Fourthly, nothing is really one sided. We do bad things and we know it. We know how to stop it, but why don't we is the big question. I would say a concept called money, but that is what brings us order. So we cannot ban money, but at the same time we cannot ban bad people and their motivation is money. See the problem now?
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
"We" are killing each other because "we" are killing animals and that's "natural". (???) Nature's savagery and cruelty are in all of us, to a very, very different extend, of course - ranging from a virtual zero to 100 %. I bet that you and your "natural" family does not like the first part of this "natural" equation. If humans want to live happily ever after, they have to dissociate themselves from nature's b - e -s -t -i - a - l - i - t -y !!!! There's no other way. Never was, never will be.
3 years ago
Follow up, I agree with where your thinking foils down to. I do. And I want to help. I never said all of these comics are ok or anything, I just said I eat a lot of meat and so do other animals. I never said I supported animal cruelty or anything, (which I don't), I just said it's normal for us, as humans, to eat meat. But from what I can tell, I just want the same thing as you: a better world.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
....."I am crook and liar.... so what, so are other people! ??" that is your reasoning and lame, cruel excuse, who ever you are "Follow up". You even do not put your name to your apathetic comments. You not only eat meat, you eat a lot of meat, you support animal cruelty and destruction of our planet, just admit it, for god sake. Because of "people" like you there NEVER be a better world, that's what many wise thinkers of all ages agree on.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
......and you - "My problem" eat a lot animal flesh, their milk and eggs, and you .... cause a lot of immense pain and unconscionable, unnecessary suffering of innocent, sentient beings, and........unavoidable destruction of our planet.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
....... so, who ever you are, your feelings and conscience are right, this post is about irresponsibility, lack of empathy which causes all pain and suffering of innocent, defenseless sentient beings and total, unavoidable destruction of our planet.... and you are a lot causing it.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
It is the truth Ricky Moore!!! That is how "people" justify their crimes - "I'm thief, but it's perfectly OK because others are thieves too". What a croc of sh1te that you don't see Mewton's Third Paw's point.
Hermitbunny 3 years ago (edited)
We are still in a great, Worldwide Argument about how all human beings should be treated. If you think these are cruel, think of what we do to each other. When you think of animal slaughter, do you take a moment to think about the person doing the killing? For many, that job is their only option, they don't want to be there. But people want what they want, the majority is only willing to pay for cheap labor, and we've set up almost perfect systems where we don't have to see the blood behind the closed doors. Sweep that under the rug and sell sell sell.
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago
Hermitbunny, You have it backwards. Human rights and equal justice for people are unachievable WITHOUT animal rights, THEIR right to life, happiness, and freedom. Period!!!! - "Do not fancy that you will lower yourselves by sympathy with the lower creature; you CANNOT sympathize RIGHTLY with the higher, unless you do with those. " - John Ruskin (1819 - 1900) English essayist, critic, reformer. .....and many other wise thinkers. - "He who does not value life, does not deserve it." - Leonardo Da Vinci (1452 - 1519) Florentine painter, sculptor, architect, engineer. -"He who causes suffering, shall suffer." - Buddha ..... and so because of cruelties of so many we all continue to "suffer'.
Load More Replies... Yoga Kitty 3 years ago
Most of your comments seem really angry and aggressive to me - please believe me, we will never change peoples minds through anger and aggression. Everybody makes up their mind in their own time. Explain to everyone who wants to hear, educate the children if you have a chance to, be an overall good example yourself, anything you like - but hissing at others will not do this matter any good. Always rise higher than the problem itself!
Christina Uhlir 3 years ago (edited)
The only problem is that those who do not want to hear the truth that they are doing something bad, painful, and destructive, they always will feel they were attacked and threatened because they have no intention to change their cruel and destructive behavior. There really are not many of those who can educate the children let alone to set good example.
Bernardita Valdés 3 years ago
Education is the base, but mostly empathy. Kids could be able to share time with animals like dogs in safe places like schools, so they can learn empathy. I say this as a kid isnt necessarily prepared to have a dog or a cat, and in the completely worst of the cases, we dont want to give a psycho kid or negligent parents an animal to make it suffer until its death. There have been cases.
G.L.T. 3 years ago
You call it tasteless, but it’s reflecting the reality of how we treat non-human animals. You are right to feel disgust because the reality is, this is disgusting behavior on our end. The solution is then to do something about it. Stop supporting these systems. And while we are overpopulated, these actions are not vital to our survival. In fact, many of them contribute to our inability to sustain ourselves long-term. Even just getting rid of the factory farming industry (which covers several of these panels), would mitigate so much of the damage we are doing as a result of our overpopulation.
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Generally replying to Csaba, food for meat-animals takes up space that could feed millions of people with plants like soy for example, so that's one thing we could change ^^
DC 3 years ago
Yeah, but it all goes down the John once the holy cow dead cow is put into question. Even before there is any attempt to answer it, the justification-orgy enrolls itself, and the weird story about not eating meat being somehow extreme or so comes back along. As long as the majority does, you'll always find a majority for even the stupidest attempts to reasonaway the suffering it causes, while being totally useless. The entire meat industry doesn't contribute to any good, but to more bad than any other industry. It's the most cruel we have, the least useful we have, and enormously huge. If I had that set of facts on my side, I'd get defensive without external reason, too.
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