ESH. So much passive aggressiveness from both sides. Grow up and talk to each other honestly instead of acting selfishly and making assumptions.

Moral of this story, never rent to family or friends; seems to end in problems

I worked at a nonprofit housing organization where we had a homeownership program- helping educate folks,clean up their credit,save money- we also offered rental assistance and house offered a lease to own program- It truly is unbelievable how folks want to take advantage of their landlords and family that is bending over backwards to help- bottom line is people love to take advantage and this guy did take advantage- negotiating 90 days after the sale of a property is virtually unheard of in most situations so his sister did him a solid- I have seen tennants try to destroy a rental that is up for sale or try and make it nearly impossible to be shown to potential buyers,I believe thats what would have happened if she had given her brother a heads up- why do people believe its ok that he quit paying the rent? He would have been evicted eventually anyway with any other landlord- sounds like she gave him every opportunity to make things right.No sis your not the AH

Brother thought he had leverage. He did not.

"There are two sure ways to lose a friend, one is to borrow, the other to lend." family too

Relatives & fish smell alike after 3 days...NTA mostly, but OP shouldn't have rented to her bro. With family when the sh*t hits the fan, it's in your living room.

NTA he wanted a new hot water tank to make sure they can all have hot water. My daughter's place you have to wait at least an hour after someone use it to get hot water. So she is not the only landlord who don't think they have to replace the tank to make them happy. He should have never became petty and not pay on time a landlord don't have to rewire the place to pls the tenant needs. He should have found a new place than. 1) if she would have called him ahead of time and he offer to pay for it. He definitely would not have given her the money she's asking for the property, and probably would have felt he can pay in payments. If he didn't offer to pay it he would have curse her out call their family up to bash her and try to talk her out of it. She can't treat her family like family when doing business. She wouldn't have told those that rent from from her that's not related a head of time. So she doesn't havevto with him. Family or not treat them all the same.

I have to agree with the landlord that commented about the upgrades. It is not fair to ask him to pay for something like a new panel. It sounds like that was a necessary upgrade. Plus it will likely well outlive his tenancy in the house. The water heater, that would depend on whether it was old, or would be sufficient for other tenants. I think it would've been more reasonable for her to pay for those upgrades, take her tax write off, and then bump up the rent to compensate, and keep her in the agreed upon break even state. It would've also been reasonable for her brother to propose buying the house at the point the upgrades were being discussed. If that really had been his plan, he could've countered with an offer to purchase when his sister balked at spending thousands of dollars to upgrade a property she was renting to him at a discount. Though I suspect he likely would've expected to get the place for less than full market value, given his track record.

Good sale! Take advantage of this!

I wonder what this property would rent for outside of this arrangement? Its description wasn't exactly positive and I wonder what a legitimate tenant would view as a needed update. Id like to see what the new owners of the house do to it and rent charged, if it's still a rental.

Curious how many times he was late with the rent. Regardless, I still would have told him I sold it or was looking to sell it so he could have time to find another place. Especially since he has kids. It's not their fault their father is a mooch.

Looks like he was waiting to take further advantage of you. Such as, once he caused you to get further behind on the mortgage, he'd offer to buy you out and you'd take his offer in desperation. You did what you had to do since he was being manipulative. No need to give him more slack to ruin you. It's unfortunate, of course.

Just wow she said his rent paid mortgage and property tax but that she didnt make a profit WTF HE IS PAYING FOR YOU TO OWN A HOUSE. Landlords are the most entitled pieces of s**t. I cant stand it. She is complaining about being paid equity. Asks how he could afford a mortgage ifhe xouldnt afford rent hell he was already affording YOUR MORTGAGE B***H. This isnt a sexist thing he seems like an a*****e taking advantage of his sister but she seems like an a*****e taking advantage of everyone. Commercial landlording should be illegal.

Bad communication between the two of your caused more friction than needed. Seriously, if it was my house I would not have rented to him to begin with. Because there are kids involved, I would have had a little more compassion with your brother and politely, but firmly told him you were in process of selling the house - asking him to move - and giving him longer than 90 days to find a new home for his family. I understand your position, and I don't trust my brother and sister either, plus my family members are bad communicators like your and your brother are.

ESH. This is why we need more laws to control landlords. They have too much freedom to do whatever already. A major red flag is OP admitting that the house "isn't meant for modern" things. That's backwards, because eventually, everything will have to be updated to SOME level to keep up with the times. We are in 2023, not 1953. You can't charge 2023 rents and expect to never update the property. she even admitted the water heater was "old" so I'm on the brothers side on that one. Just because she thinks it's "fine" doesn't mean it's fine. It's old for a reason; Everything goes through wear and tear. The brother is an AH for continuing to make additional costly repairs in "exchange" for rent, which makes me believe we aren't getting the whole story on whether they really had an agreement about that or not. He should have stopped at the water heater, and other small things, and maybe taken his sister to court IF the rest of the house were truly not up to par for living.

As mentioned elsewhere, while the arrangement was technically break-even on a cash flow basis, it is likely (assuming the real estate market was not falling) that she was coming out ahead on gaining equity in the house. As she was apparently able to get a great price for the property that seems to be the case. If he had been only paying the interest portion of her payments then it would be different. Although, technically he is not assuming any of the risk of the market price of the house, so we are kind of comparing apples and oranges here.

To be fair, brother did break agreement. However, considering he did have a family, she should have let them know that she was selling at least. No, the children are not her responsibility, but they needed to be taken into consideration before making such a rash decision without letting the parents know. If it was just the brother living alone, they yeah, fudge him. Don't rent or do business with family.

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Should have let him know he was selling it before an eviction notice. Its family. Couldn't fault him for anything else. If the brother wants to buy im sure he can find a property but he obviously was going to attempt to take advantage of the situation since its family and couldn't buy a home otherwise.

ESH. Brother should've paid his rent on time. Landlord should pay for substantial upgrades like new breaker panels. "I can't afford it cuz I'm not making money on the house" is just blatantly a lie. The mortgage was subsidized, so you're not out that expense. Selling the house out from under him is just petty and dumb.

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From my POV they are both s****y people. I've lived in places that I had to unplug the refrigerator to do laundry because of ancient wiring systems. Wiring is dangerous no matter the age. Seen brand new houses burn down to old three story homes with a fuse boxes. So he is AH for thinking about doing his own wiring and she is AH for not at least having the wiring checked out. PS they also both remind me of s*** landlords and s*** tenants.

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She was going to let her house burn down because she wasn't profiting from the rent??? I'd hate to be one of her other tenants. Updates are not upgrades. The water heater was NOT fine. The electrical needed to be replaced because it 's a fire Hazzard. She's lucky nothing happened to her family.

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ESH - yea, he should have paid up and not been b****y, but at the same time he has, 4 kids. If he was living alone then sure, he can go couch surf or whatever for a while until he finds somewhere else, but it's much harder to find a place for a family, and much harder to find someone to agree to let him and 4 children, and presumably his girlfriend/wife stay. Evicting him with no warning was kind of a harsh move on OPS part.

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Both behaved badly but especially the landlord. She seems kinda happy about making 4 children who have no part in the tiff between adults homeless and vulnerable. Yeah her brother is a bit of an a*s but she's put a family in crisis just to be controlling and is amused the whole family got notice like that. Hope she dosen't need them in a few years or a kidney or something because those children hate her now. She's reduced herself to a hardship they faced in childhood, nothing more.