"When governments banned these things, they were making clear that they did not welcome muslims there." No, they banned them because in western culture it's normal to see the face of a woman without immediately thinking of sex and because we will not support medieval customs.

@Living_Shadow: I'm so sorry that you need insults to prove how very right you believe to be. The ban on face-covering garments like burka, niqab motorhelmets and balaclavas in public places and public transport was put in place for security reasons. ( Sparked by muslim-terrorist actions, btw,) Muslim fanatics turned it into a discrimination issue. Have a nice life.

@Living_Shadow: "Muslim women aren't the ones committing the crimes." Muslim-fanatics are the ones committing the crimes and there were women amongst them too . A burka or niqab gives them the oppertunity to hide their faces. That's why face-covering garments are banned. You are a terrible hypocrit, ranting about how you are discriminated for the way you want to dress and how Muslims aren't welcome and next telling me not to hate others. It's the muslims that kill out of hate against non-believers, remember? You shouldn't be casting stones when you are living in a glass house. Goodbye.

@WilvanderHeijden "It's muslims that kill out of hate against non-believers, remember" No, they're not muslims. They call themselves muslims, but they have no right to. They do not follow true Islam. They are not one of us. They kill us more than they kill your people. "You are a terrible hyocrit... blah blah" Okay. How am I being a hypocrite? You are so delusional. I'm not hating on anyone, so how am I being a hypocrite for telling someone else not to hate? I'd be a hypocrite if I was hating on others and then telling people not to hate on me. I'm saying that the governments who banned the headdress have no right to do so. That' not hating. I'm saying the policy is unjust. Actually try and understand what I'm saying. And yeah goodbye. Again, like I said last time, try not to hate too much. You shouldn't be casting bullets on an innocent people when you live in a glass mansion. You also shouldn't be speaking without properly understanding what the other is saying.

everytime this gets a downvote, I loose a little more faith in humanity. You all be upvoting a hater here and I'm over here just stating facts and I'm getting downvoted. Okay then.

@WilvanderHeijden And I'm so sorry you can only see one side of the issue. Muslim women aren't the ones committing the crimes. It is these bands of delusional men who have no right to call themselves muslims. However, these restrictions barred the way women dressed. The way a woman chooses to dress should not be forced nor prohibited, period. You have a nice life too, try not to hate on others too much.

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@WilvanderHeijden It also appears to me that you have multiple accounts, to upvote your own stuff. There are three people in this comment section that very much sound like you. Pretty pathetic.

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I can't reply to the idiot @WilvanderHaijden , but No. You're wrong. They WERE making clear they didn't welcome muslims. Otherwise, why care? Why care if believers of a certain religion wants to hear a headscarf? Why force them not to? We know you can control your libodo and won't freak out abt seeing a woman's face. All men can, muslim or not. Some choose not to however, but that's a different conversation. It's not about you, however. It's not about whether you can control your desires or not. It's abt if the woman wants to. These are not medival customs, they are religious customs that some choose to follow. You have no right to stop them. It is medieval of the west to prohibit religious freedom.

Not all Muslims are bad people, therefore not all Muslims want this girl to be bullied and harassed. That's like saying all Christians supported Jim Jones.

Living_Shadow: ehm... no you are wrong. Look at history. Look at Saudi Arabia or Turkey in the 60s. They did NOT "stay behind". Woman were wearing short skirts and no coverings over their hair. It's the government that changed this.

Muslims are not the monsters. Well, let me rephrase that. THESE muslims are the bad people, not the other ones. What you have to realize is that all religions ordered women to cover up and submit to men. However, other religions progressed over time and people realized that modesty doesn't have to go to extremes at the women are equal. While other religions stepped forward into equality, Islam stayed behind. People clung on to their traditions and superstitions and sexism even though muslims who got properly educated proved the sexism and other things as wrong and not even ordered by God time and time again. However, some people still cling to the old tradition. We are not all like this. And the religion certainly is not this supressive. It is the people who enforce it as if it is.

In Canada you can legally have an abortion up until the baby pops out. There is no legal limit. You also have health care just like the fellas. Equal pay is legislated, and the chances of you being raped by a stranger are exceedingly low. Sorry Messy, but yet again you're off your meds and just want to complain.

(3)And I acknowlege the ugliness in the muslim world. We are broken, divided, and we have many among us who are actually worthy of being called "evil". But what the world refuses to accept is that we are not all this way. That the religion itself was never meant to be implemented to such an extreme, and many of it's teachings only applied to specific prophets and times. It is not the fault of the religion, but some of the people who believe it.Some muslims are terrible people, people who will go to hell, according to Islam. Not because they don't pray. No, they'll go to hell because they kill those of other religions under the name of God. They use his name to commit murder. I acknowledge the problems of the muslim world. Those are only the terrorists, however. The other muslims are innocent. And the other side, your side, is not innocent either. There is a lot of ugliness and evil there as well and you have to open your eyes to it. If you cannot see it, you can leave this discussion.

(2) It's just that Christianity is far from being the most prosecuted religion in the world. It has the most followers, and those followers are so devout that if there was such injustices happening to other believers, it would be all over the media in predominantly Christian countries like the USA and the US would be taking in all these refugees. Why don't I see or hear of that at all? Why hasn't anyone I know, Christian or not heard of this? why hasn't American and other western countries taken action? All of these factors make me doubt your claims greatly. Like I said before, Christianity is one of the most respected and revered religions in the world. Islam is associated with barbaric terrorism, and we are spat on, called the epitome of evil- a group that qualifies for being slaughtered ruthlessly by other nations. Even though the truth is different. Unless you can have a level mind, open to seeing the faults and ugliness of your own side, you are the one who should not debate about anything related to the other side.

(1) "Wow, you must be a very tolerant muslim" First off, the f**k is that supposed to mean? I love people of all religions. I am American. I live among Christians, and all my friends are Christians. I love them, I respect their religion, and unlike you, they respect mine. Second off, you really think that I'm belittling those numbers? Wow. I just can't with you. What I'm saying is that those numbers are small compared to the number of Muslims that are killed. I'm not saying that they don't matter. And I don't trust your sources, btw. Sources that come from people like you are often biased and full of anti-muslim stuff. But I'm not going to completely shut it out. Who knows? There may be truth in your claims which I've never heard of before. However, supposing they are true, like I said in my previous comment, those numbers are smaller than the number of muslims killed. They don't matter less, that's not what I meant.

Just more proof that religion is toxic, IMO. I don’t care which one is the worst about it. They all think they’re the one true cult of all cults. F**k that.

(4) I also just visited the site you linked. What I want you to realize about the muslim countries they have listed, as where Christians are the most prosecuted, is that there are multiple groups. The Christians, which are very small in number, the muslims, and the the extremists, who persecute both the muslims and the few Christians there. However, the muslims there constantly hear that all their problems are because of western nations, and so they discriminate against the Christians. Thus, the Christians hate the muslims and the extremists, the Muslims hate the Christians and the extremists , and the extremists persecute them all. And that is pretty much what is happening in many of those countries. It is not just Christians suffering. Globally, muslims still suffer the most.

Living_Shadow...so dead and prosecuted christians people are footnotes now?Wow,you must be a very tolerant muslim.I just presented you numbers with a source and all you can say is that those numbers are footnotes and that millions of civilians are killed by non muslims?So no numbers,no arguments and no respect to dead people.I really think you shouldn't debate about religion...

Those numbers are mere footnotes compared to the numbers of muslims that the terrorists and non-muslim countries have killed. They have killed millions of innocent muslims civilians. Genocides of muslims are happening in certain areas, like with the Burma muslims. Muslim countires are standing piles of rubble. They have nothing left.

sorry the formating here isn't the best...i just copied the numbers

Jews are hands down the most attacked and it's not even close, even though there are actually very few Jews in the world. Don't take my word for it. Google it.

Are YOU KIDDING ME!??! You must be joking. Tell me you're joking PLEASE. Muslims in China are in concentration camps. India discriminates against it's muslims daily and are thinking of kicking them out. America has Americans willing to commit hate crimes against muslims. Many have happened already. Thanks to the western countries, the Middle east is a standing pile of rubble. mllions of innocent Muslim civilians die everyday. Refugees die in camps, orphans starve to death on the street or are picked up by extremist organizations who train them to be militants who oppress their own. Terrorist groups kill more muslims, more of their own people, than anyone else. The Burma genocide is still happening. And you say Christianity is the most prosecuted religion?? You HAVE to be joking. Christianity is respected globally. Islam? We have so many haters, because they all lump us in with the terrorists.

Dear friend, if you read correctly, you'll find nowhere that I blamed Christians for anything. It's a simple historical fact. See Spain or other countries for example. Other example: Muslims in the Balkan region protected Jews in WWII while they were murdered in the rest of Europe. Did you know that Albania was one of the few places with a bigger Jewish population than before the war? It's because they protected and accepted them when they needed it. What I want to say is that people aren't all the same. You chose to misinterpret what I said. Just like you, I can say we're persecuted and discriminated against. Example: the Rohingya, Muslims in China, by the Russians. Yes, I face challenges and I have the right to express them. You're not the only one entitled to have the right to speak up, I have that too. I wish you could value the fact that there are other people in the world than you. Have a nice day!

You're right. They're not. And that needs to change. It is not the fault of the religion, but rather the people who are enforcing the extreme version of it.

Then you have no right to say anything. It IS a high level of modesty. What do you want her to say? Stop hating and open your crusty old closed off mind that loves to cling to it's hatred of others.

I never said everyone has had my experience. Read the full comment. I said that there are people that enforce extreme versions of the religion in the Middle East and thus you have the situation you see today. There's no denying that religious conflicts have caused a hell of a lot of problems but it's still possible to live in peace while having religions. And humanity is such a being that even if we took religions away, we'd find something else to fight over. We'd probably war over cultural and race differences some more. We already have done it.

My faith has kept me from, in my depressed and anxious state, from committing suicide. So religion does do some good.