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Everything I posted here has been facts, not opinions. I have not posted anything that would indicate any kind of "phobic" perspective. That is a ridiculous false accusation against me. You should be ashamed of yourself - but I'm sure you are not.

Not one of your facts were supported, even one of your first claims that gender dysphoria is a disorder, you provided a citation that did Not support your claim. You need to do some genuine research, not bigoted skewed research.

Replying to @Justin Hey, my bad. Because you were so dead wrong about hormones and surgery, I just read too fast and misread your use of "disorder". You're correct, that publication does label gender disphoria as a "disorder". That same manual lists hormones and surgery as treatments. "Medical affirmation may include pubertal suppression for adolescents with gender dysphoria and gender-affirming hormones like estrogen and testosterone for older adolescents and adults. ... Some adults (and less often adolescents) may undergo various aspects of surgical affirmation.7,8,13"

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@John Harrison Well, that is interesting because the word “affirmation” is only used one time in the DSM-5-TR. And that is in the section on borderline personality disorder. Unlike other Bored Panda users, I check facts before posting. But hey, good job with the creative writing.

I copy-pasted it. At this point, you're just dodging and weaving. And that's why people are calling you transphobic: You're being critical of what is generally accepted (which is fine) but you're doing it in a dishonest manner, which indicates othering and hostility.

https://www.psychiatry.org/patients-families/gender-dysphoria/what-is-gender-dysphoria#:~:text=Medical%20affirmation%20may%20include%20pubertal,for%20older%20adolescents%20and%20adults.&text=Medical%20affirmation%20is%20not%20recommended%20for%20prepubertal%20children. John got his information from the SPA which discusses what gender dysphoria is, making references to the DSM-5-TR. You should read it Justin.

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@Nathaniel None of the references for that quote are the DSM-5-TR. Did you actually think I wouldn't look? Another total fail for you! 7. Hembree, W. C., Cohen-Kettenis, P. T., Gooren, L., Hannema, S. E., Meyer, W. J., Murad, M. H., ... & T’Sjoen, G. G. (2017). Endocrine treatment of gender-dysphoric/gender-incongruent persons: an endocrine society clinical practice guideline. The Journal of Clinical Endocrinology & Metabolism, 102(11), 3869-3903. 8. Coleman, E., Bockting, W., Botzer, M., Cohen-Kettenis, P., DeCuypere, G., Feldman, J., ... & Monstrey, S. (2012). Standards of care for the health of transsexual, transgender, and gender-nonconforming people, version 7. International journal of transgenderism, 13(4), 165-232. 9. Turban, J. L., King, D., Carswell, J. M., & Keuroghlian, A. S. (2020). Pubertal suppression for transgender youth and risk of suicidal ideation. Pediatrics, 145(2). 10. van der Miesen, A. I., Steensma, T. D., de Vries, A. L., Bos, H., & Popma, A. (2020). Psychological functioning in transgender adolescents before and after gender-affirmative care compared with cisgender general population peers. Journal of Adolescent Health, 66(6), 699-704. 11. Green, A. E., DeChants, J. P., Price, M. N., & Davis, C. K. (2022). Association of gender-affirming hormone therapy with depression, thoughts of suicide, and attempted suicide among transgender and nonbinary youth. Journal of Adolescent Health, 70(4), 643-649. 12. Allen, L. R., Watson, L. B., Egan, A. M., & Moser, C. N. (2019). Well-being and suicidality among transgender youth after gender-affirming hormones. Clinical Practice in Pediatric Psychology, 7(3), 302.

I said the webpage makes references to, dumbass, if you read the article you would see that.

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@ John Harrison That quote is NOT from the DSM-5-TR. Did you actually think I wouldn't check? Total fail for you! Believe-67...e2c926.jpg

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@John Harrison To state it more specifically for better clarity, the word "affirmation" is actually NEVER used in the DSM-5-TR, while the hyphenated word self-affirmation is used one time. It is in the section on borderline personality disorder. Here you go: Self-674a2...401d2c.jpg

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@John Harrison I don't know where you got that from. You either wrote it yourself or copied it from some source other than the DSM-5-TR. It absolutely is not in the DSM-5-TR. You are the one with a dishonest manner.

Check facts before posting? You are not doing a good job of it then!

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@Nathaniel Again, the word “affirmation” is only used one time in the DSM-5-TR - as I correctly stated. So yes, I am doing a great job of checking facts.

I did not deny that fact, it may well be true, I am talking about the "facts" you keep posting. Check the links I replied with, they disprove your "facts".

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@Nathaniel You didn’t disprove anything. I clearly stated that I was talking about a psychiatric diagnosis. Your quotes were from sources other than a psychiatric diagnostic manual.

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@Nathaniel So you are saying that my facts may be true, but my facts are disproven. Okay, that clarifies things. 🤔

A fact might be true, the bulk of your "facts" are false. One accurate fact does not make the rest of your claims true.

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@John Harrison The psychiatric community agrees with me. Gender Dysphoria: "a marked incongruence between experienced or expressed gender and the one assigned at birth" Reference: American Psychiatric Association. (2022). Chapter 15: Sexual dysfunctions, gender dysphoria, and paraphilic disorders. Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders (5th ed., text rev.).

Treatment of gender dysphoria includes letting the person live as their gender.

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No where have I stated anything about forcing people to receive treatment. On the contrary, transgender people should be allowed the treatment they want, including being able to live by their gender identity.

https://www.psychiatry.org/psychiatrists/diversity/education/transgender-and-gender-nonconforming-patients/gender-dysphoria-diagnosis

Nathaniel, you can’t fight stupid people; they have way more practice. I do not think @Justin has the ability to think logically nor the will to.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/36149983/ Both transmasculine and transfeminine groups were more satisfied with their body postoperatively with significantly less dysphoria.

https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/38315125/ Gender-Affirming Surgery Improves Mental Health Outcomes and Decreases Antidepressant Use in Patients with Gender Dysphoria

Gender affirming surgeries does not make the person's condition worse. Quite the opposite as it reduces feelings of gender dysphoria.

Check back now! He has been Uber-Trigged and has like 20 transphobic (and even some homophobic!) comments now

@Justin, none of your statements are medically accurate. Aroace Tiger's assessment of you is accurate.

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@Nathaniel All of my statements are medically accurate. Didn't you see the citation? Try reading again.

That citation does not prove any of your points.

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@Nathaniel You wrote "That citation does not prove any of your points." Wrong again. My claim is that gender dysphoria is a diagnosable condition according to the Diagnostic and statistical manual of mental disorders. The citation supports that.

You suffer from a incredible case of confirmation bias. You should go get officially diagnosed and treated.

https://nicic.gov/weblink/being-transgender-no-longer-mental-disorder-apa-2012

Your claim is that it is a disorder, it is not, and your citation does not state it is a disorder.

https://www.nhs.uk/conditions/gender-dysphoria/

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According to Aroace tiger, medically-accurate statements are "transphobic comments". I suggest you find out what the word "phobic" means and stop using it to make false accusations. You are the person who did something wrong here, not me.

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@Nathaniel That is a ridiculous false accusation against me. I have not said anything that would indicate discrimination, aversion, or fear. Is this how you respond to people, by committing libel?

Justin Tyme to stop... You've made your point a number of times and have also made it clear you're not up for unchallenged debating... Just let it go.

@Oskar I think Justin is completely wrong, and frankly I think he's transphobic. Having said that, discussions like this are good for people to see. The other readers are systematically dismantling his arguments. And even if that weren't the case, BP provides this space for people to civilly discuss issues, and that's what's happening here. Unless you're a moderator, you're the one who should just "let it go".

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@John Harrison You posted a quote from an article and falsely claimed that the quote was from the DSM-5-TR. Are you going to admit that you lied and apologize for doing that?

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@John Harrison You wrote “The other readers are systematically dismantling his arguments.” That is absolutely wrong. Nobody has dismantled anything. The only thing they have done is respond with baseless insults. I wrote that gender dysphoria is a psychiatric diagnosis. That is correct. It is in the current edition of the Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, which psychiatrists use as a guide for making diagnoses. I also wrote that the use of hormones and surgery exacerbates (makes more extreme) the patient’s gender dysphoria. Think about it. Doesn’t it make sense that if a man thinks he is a woman and uses hormones & surgery to look like a woman, that will contribute to him thinking he is a woman? You even confirmed that yourself when you quoted from an article that referred to those interventions as “affirmation”.

Also, "All they've done is baselessly insult me" is not accurate.

You seem to think that it is merely the subjects feelings about being a woman that are the problem. You're taking a default position that those feelings are, by default, somehow "wrong". The stress and anxiety comes from the incongruity between the subject's feelings and the gender assigned at birth. Treatments such as hormones and surgery RELIEVE that stress. The answer to your question is, "Yes, they will affirm the patient's beliefs. They will contribute to the subject thinking of themselves as a woman." And far from worsening the situation, as you seem to believe, it is what is needed to relieve the subject's distress.

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@Oskar vanZandt You have contributed absolutely nothing here.