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Mom Wants Coworker To Cover Her On Holiday Because She Doesn’t Have Kids, Gets A Reality Check
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Mom Wants Coworker To Cover Her On Holiday Because She Doesn’t Have Kids, Gets A Reality Check

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Paid time off is a precious commodity among employees that can cause a lot of unwanted office drama. Many of these incidents seem to rise with the holidays approaching, as you’re about to read. 

A woman refused to switch shifts with a co-worker who wanted to spend Thanksgiving with her children. She finds it unacceptable to feel “pressured” and give way to colleagues with parental obligations

The employee now asks the AITAH subreddit if her actions were uncalled for. Below, you’ll find the entire story and mixed responses from readers. 

Paid time off can cause serious drama between co-workers

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This woman refused to switch shifts with a colleague who wanted to spend Thanksgiving with her children

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She believes it is unfair for non-parents like her to give way to employees with kids constantly

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Parents and child-free employees experience some form of unfair treatment

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While the author is seemingly within reason to cry foul over supposed “unfair” treatment for being child-free, her colleague and other parent employees experience the same struggles. 

In a 2022 survey by SHRM, 72% of respondents believe that child-free workers aren’t treated fairly. On the other hand, 67% also stated that employees weren’t treated justly because they had children. 

However, this survey shows that child-free employees may have it tougher. 63% of respondents saw them being denied time off, and 69% noticed they had to work overtime at least once. 70% of respondents claim their non-parent colleagues were given a heavier workload. 

As for employees with kids, 48% of survey respondents believe they are likelier to be promoted, and 53% said they have better chances of getting a raise. 

Here’s a staggering statistic: 81% of survey takers “strongly agree” that child-related absences are more important. 

Apart from these numbers, recruiting consultant Aimee Fahey shares a similar observation. As she stated in an interview with HuffPost, employees with children “get preference” for more flexible work schedules and an “unspoken acceptance” of kid-related events having more importance than their child-free counterparts.

Speaking out against the biases toward parent employees is necessary

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Many professionals have begun to point out what appears to be discrimination against child-free employees in the workplace. 

In an article for Fast Company, Brand Velocity Group’s Chief of People and Culture Officer Lauren Serota called for paid sabbatical leave for workers without kids, as parents have their maternity and paternity leaves. 

She also proposed flexible working hours and conditions for ALL employees, regardless of their obligations outside their jobs. 

But until that happens across the board, child-free employees must speak out. Licensed clinical psychologist Dr. Ellen Walker suggests doing so assertively. 

Ask that leave away from work be offered on an equal basis so that everyone can have the opportunity to focus on dreams and aspirations,” Dr. Walker wrote in an article for Psychology Today.

It all comes down to taking responsibility for one’s decisions and respecting each other’s needs. As Dr. Walker noted in closing, give yourself some leeway to leave work early without feeling guilty, like how you’d show generosity to a colleague who needs to clock out early to attend their kid’s soccer game. 

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“Childfree adults, you do not need to apologize for your choice,” she wrote. 

The author took a stand and even suggested that her colleague celebrate another day. Besides, she had her time off scheduled ahead of time and is entitled to it.

Some readers sided with the author

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Those who didn’t gave her the “you’ll feel different when you have kids” spiel

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Corvus
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not having kids is not, and should never be some kind of disadvantage that others can use to guilt-trip you into doing them favors "for the kids".

Skogsrået
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously they expect people that are childfree to work every holiday to cover for people that chose to have kids? Seems really stupid and unfair, I bet they have a huge staff turnover and if they don't they should. I do not understand this whole " give up on having a life and just work" mentality.

Uncommon Boston
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In some offices, parents can take more time off. Coming in late because of problems getting kids to school, needing to leave a bit early, mid-day appointments, kids too sick to go to school and school holidays. I am a parent and faced the same challenges, but I came in some nights and weekends to keep up with my work. Just because you are a parent doesn't mean you have less work. Promotions should reflex the dedication of the employee. Days off should be shared fairly. My adult family is just as important as your children. Celebrating on a different day is reasonable expectation for everyone. It is something their kids may also face when they join the work force. Might as well learn. I had a job where there exceptions to every rule for some people, I didn't stay.

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Lace Neil
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mum was a nurse, who sometimes had to work Christmas. We understood that sometimes Mum would be looking after the sick people at Christmas and we had Dad and Granny to look after us. Last Christmas was the last one I had with my dad, I would be very angry if someone had tried to force me to give it up just so they could be with their healthy and not terminally ill kids who honestly would understand if mum had to work.

Mary Brizendine
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Years ago I used to work in a hospital and we were given the choice of three holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. Even though I had kids, I was willing to work the first two as long as I could have New Year's off. That's only because I was working second shift and did not want to take the chance of driving home with all the drinks on the road.

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Sue User
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4 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In response to all the YTA. I have ( supposedky) th wisdom of my years. And this policy is BS. I have come to discover that kids are flexible "yeah, two thanksgivings" kinda deal, but parents are not. As the population ages, we will realise parents need holidays with their kids just as much as kids need holidays with their parents.

Vinnie
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents and then my sister were less dogmatic about dates. Celebrate on the 26th? That means extra Christmas fun with less rushing around.

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similarly
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but OP is right. Celebrate some other day until you have more seniority.

Rdj
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want to be with your kids you don't take a job like that. They may not have a lot of choice in America, but demanding that the person without kids works for you is antisocial.

XanthippeⓐWulf🇨🇦️️🇬🇧
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is not a standard request for employment in "America." Most places are by seniority. It does happen, but it's few & far between.

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kath morgan
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder how many of them figured out the bias years ago, and have pretend children

John O'Donnell
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You had no say on your co-workers having kids, that’s on them. When it comes to giving up my time off so they can muck around with their saucepans? I think the phrase, “A cold day in Hell” comes to mind.

Bat cat in a hat
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"informal policy" my a**e. I bet some people get first dibs on all holidays just because they have kids without even considering childfree co-workers also have families and friends.

Gavin Johnson
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone should get equall footing when it comes to time off work or shifts being set. Your choice to not have children or indeed have children doesn’t impact on that footing. When you sign a contract with a business there’s no clause that says ‘you must surrender your holidays to a member of staff with children’, if it does say that, don’t sign it. What you do with your time off is your business and no-one else’s. Can’t imagine spending holidays without your children? Use PTO or change jobs, it’s not my job to look after your privileges.

Janelle Collard
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Parental Entitlement" has gotten way out of hand in the US. Now pretty much every parent pulls the "I have to be off X holiday for my kids so you need to work for me." Go talk to your manager if it's such a BFD to have that day off.

Suzie
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you don't have a family. We have parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, nieces, and nephews. We should be able to spend holidays with our family even if we don't have kids and not get guilt tripped over it.

Traveling Lady Railfan
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never mention your home life/dependants status at work. If it's too late cuz they already know, get involved with a local "big brothers/big sisters" program. Then you can talk about "being there for the kids" and it's not a lie. You shouldn't have to pretend kids are in your life when they're not but ...you also shouldn't have to say "I have a boyfriend/am married " to ward off an over enthusiastic person who is hitting on you, either.

Iridian
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people above provided some good comedy relief. Maybe they should become comedians. But then, they'd have to work weekends. So sad.

SheamusFanFrom1987
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA dingbuckets think kids = entitlement is allowed. Dean Ambrose-NOPE for you ding-dums. Ever heard of first come, first served? OP deserves he well-earned rest and if June and mentor decide to push the matter, I think it would be time to have a talk with their kids about entitlement, directly in front of them. People, SMH!!!

TCW Sam Vimes
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents are so f*****g entitled. I've got a kid and would never expect someone else cover for my life decision. Every employee has the same rights and obligations. Marital status or kids don't play into that.

Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My late hubby always volunteered to work the days after Thanksgiving and Christmas, but would then take the whole week of New Years off. We had kids, but this let him spend more than 1 day with them. And allowed his coworkers who had to travel the time to do it

Brian Droste
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Should have said I am scheduled to work Christmas, I will switch with you. You work my Christmas day for me and I will work Thanksgiving for you. If she said. No. Then refuse to work Thanksgiving for her.

Meagan Glaser
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

teh people giving OP a hard time are just announcing "the only people in my family that I love are my children". Seriously, the REST of the family counts for family holidays too, i

Beth Wheeler
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother was a nurse for 33 years and she always had to work Christmas every year that I can remember. There were other nurses that did and didn't have kids. I don't really remember about Thanksgiving, bi guess she worked then took. People should have to take turns every year. For me in late Sept or early Oct the manager sends an email with the data ranges for thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year, you sent back your first and second choice

Joe Reaves
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who don't have children still have families and one thanksgiving or Christmas will be the last one you get to spend with your parents or maybe even your spouse and there's no guarantee that you'll know that in advance. So OP agrees to change so mom can spend time with her kids and then realises she traded away the last chance to spend a holiday with someone she loved? Nope, sorry, your kids are not more important than anyone else's family.

The Starsong Princess
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perhaps OP should give part of her paycheck to June as well because she has kids/s. Anyway, this system is completely whacked. My company has an elaborate lottery system for holidays that draws in January and you put in your name and preferences for the year. Each area has a certain amount of spots based on their business needs. Everyone has an equal chance and almost everyone gets either Thanksgiving or Christmas but you cannot get both unless everyone who put their name in for those holidays got at least one. New hires who start after the draw in January are expected to work unless additional spots open up and there’s a supplementary draw later in the year. In that case, their names go in. The rules for the lottery are pretty complex but they are fair and having kids doesn’t come into it.

Nel Cameron
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We used to have to work holidays too. I had kids but pretty much everyone else did too. I had one advantage. I'm not Christian and don't celebrate Christmas. My big day is the 21st of December. So, I always had that day off and worked Christmas day (for double time pay). It was a great place for holidays... we were a mixed bunch of Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Wiccan and Muslim. We celebrated all the holidays and learned from each other. It was wonderful.

StumblingThroughLife
Community Member
4 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I popped in prematurely for this (will be back to finish it after reading): "365 days a year". USA need employer's rights, so bad, maaan, so much for the Land of the Free.... for business owners, maybe. I feel for you. xxx Edit: the OP is NTA. Such entitlement! Wow! (not that I agree with the lack of time off for national/seasonal holidays. it was better back in the day where you did not have to work on those days - I mean 24/7, 365 days a year, re: businessess - except emergency/police/fire/hosp, etc, services), but, as the OP said, just because you have kids it doesn't mean you get special treatment, and this is a WORK place, not a family home. I hope she doesn't fold and if they penalise her if she does, she'll (hopefully) be covered by some kind of employer support. The Effing nerve!

Sue User
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are 24/7 jobs all over the world: doctors, nurses, firefighters, police soldiers.

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White Thunder
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People need to get over the exact day of certain holidays. Isn't it more about celebrating and being with friends and family than the specific day? If you celebrate a certain holiday on a different day, that should be ok. That IS how we got Summerween and Christmas in July, after all.

TTorrest Author
Community Member
1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The thing is, if she covers your shift for you, SHE is the kid that HER mother won't get to see over the holidays, so where's your argument now, June, huh? HUH???

Hodge Elmwood
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went through this on the job until I achieved seniority and said no more. My family is just as important to me as their kids were to them. Their kids will have many holidays with them, but my elderly mom only had a limited number of holidays left in her lifetime.

GlitterPanda
Community Member
2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you don't have kids DOES NOT mean you don't have a family!!!!!

Sophia Athene
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had to teach 8am classes because I don't have kids and faculty who have children need to drop them off at school in the morning. WTH?!? When they procreated, they accepted full responsibility for their children. Their children aren't my responsibility in the slightest. What would've happened if the university hired another prof with kids? Whatever that is, do it. Don't punish me b/c I don't have kids. But let's play the game. Those profs have a spouse to help and live nearby the uni. They have been teaching longer and know how to handle their household and do their job. I commuted an hour each way. I chose not to have kids b/c I'm an insomniac and know I don't want all that comes with their schooling and my job. There's 1,000 more reasons but these are way up there. I will gladly help out a prof with kids any other times. But my boss never sees me administering exams for a prof called into school over their kid, substitute teaching a prof's class if called away, etc.

roddy
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA people don't seem to register that they are asking this person to NEVER get to spend holiday time with their families. As an only child living in another city, I looked forward to traveling to spend time with my aging parents who had nobody else to spend the holiday with. It's so selfish and entitled to make one person miss every holiday so that another person gets to enjoy them all. Most families with kids have more than one parent, so there can be someone there for the kids. NTA

Fiona McMillan
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people with children assume that because you don't have kids, you don't have family. I would respond to the comment that June should be able to see her kids on holidays with "Yes my Mum loves to see her kids on holidays too"

Scott Rackley
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let me reword it for you. Because I like raw dogging, I get all holidays off. Nah, keep bitching and I'll take Xmas off too.

BookFanatic
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids. My department has two types of moms. Old enough where their kids are my age (40s). And young enough to be scared of me and not ask. Seriously, I would likely swap if asked. Only child and parents are gone...who am I gonna celebrate with? The cats? (okay, yes, of course the cats)

moggie63
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This only happened to me once. My reply of "why would I do that?", along with a refusal to discuss it any further, didn't go down well but put an immediate stop to that c**p.

Guess Undheit
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why they're called breeders, for their sense of entitlement, for their laziness, expecting to still get paid while others do their jobs for them. I hope the breeders have a crappy week and the OP has a great one with her FAMILY. One does not need to have a f_ck trophy for people to be deemed family.

notlikeyou1971
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not right to automatically hassle child free people to work every single holiday just because you have kids. Child free people have lives too. These people who say " you'll change your mind once you have kids" are nit wits. What if these people decide to stay child free forever? Are they supposed to be obligated to you for the rest of your child's life? Quit being entitled and pulling a guilt trip on child free people! The person is already working on Christmas. NO is a one word answer and no amount of guilt trip should change it. Don't feel guilty or change your plans for anyone. These people with kids take advantage of you and act entitled to special treatment. Sorry but you're all co workers and equals. You having kids is your problem. What goes on outside of work isn't the company's business or problem. Your mistake is telling co workers anything about your personal life/ business. Never do that. Youre being taken advantage of because of this and will be from now on and probably even though it has nothing to do with your job the company will go out of their way to make your life miserable. People who are Doctors,nurse, cops, soldiers etc have to work on holidays and don't get a free pass just because they are parents. These other parents at your job need to get over themselves. Life isn't fair sometimes and these people need to learn that now. Sorry but there's people that always have it worse than they do in this world. If missing 1 holiday is the worst of their problems,they don't have it that bad. Some people don't get to have holidays at all. See if Miss Entitled ever thinks of that or anyone else besides herself. She doesn't realize how selfish she is

Michael MacKinnon
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the workplace in question: down tools / go low productivity for Thanksgiving. Unless you're in a position where no-one on deck means somebody dies (see the nurse story), it's an option for management.

Woodsie
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not just the kids who are affected, when people say that you can celebrate another day with your fiancee that's not fair because what about the rest of the extended family? They'd have to change their plans too. All the holidays should be shared out/alternated between all the staff kids or no kids.

tori Ohno
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please post the name of the company so we can avoiding applying for a job there. They actually expect child free people to work holidays first? That's such BS. I feel myself and my family are more important than you and yours in my heart and mind. And children don't change that equation. You're the one who chose to overpopulte the planet, don't force me to suffer for it.

gene carroll
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People without kids or singles were not put on earth fit people with kids

Ben Aziza
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Barring some military/security contracts, Any "normal" job that required 365 days of work is called slavery. Op needs to do their best to get out of the 3rd world country that allows for that. Or do a good old revolution against the slave owners.

Corvus
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Not having kids is not, and should never be some kind of disadvantage that others can use to guilt-trip you into doing them favors "for the kids".

Skogsrået
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Seriously they expect people that are childfree to work every holiday to cover for people that chose to have kids? Seems really stupid and unfair, I bet they have a huge staff turnover and if they don't they should. I do not understand this whole " give up on having a life and just work" mentality.

Uncommon Boston
Community Member
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In some offices, parents can take more time off. Coming in late because of problems getting kids to school, needing to leave a bit early, mid-day appointments, kids too sick to go to school and school holidays. I am a parent and faced the same challenges, but I came in some nights and weekends to keep up with my work. Just because you are a parent doesn't mean you have less work. Promotions should reflex the dedication of the employee. Days off should be shared fairly. My adult family is just as important as your children. Celebrating on a different day is reasonable expectation for everyone. It is something their kids may also face when they join the work force. Might as well learn. I had a job where there exceptions to every rule for some people, I didn't stay.

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Lace Neil
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mum was a nurse, who sometimes had to work Christmas. We understood that sometimes Mum would be looking after the sick people at Christmas and we had Dad and Granny to look after us. Last Christmas was the last one I had with my dad, I would be very angry if someone had tried to force me to give it up just so they could be with their healthy and not terminally ill kids who honestly would understand if mum had to work.

Mary Brizendine
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Years ago I used to work in a hospital and we were given the choice of three holidays, Thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year's. Even though I had kids, I was willing to work the first two as long as I could have New Year's off. That's only because I was working second shift and did not want to take the chance of driving home with all the drinks on the road.

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Sue User
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4 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In response to all the YTA. I have ( supposedky) th wisdom of my years. And this policy is BS. I have come to discover that kids are flexible "yeah, two thanksgivings" kinda deal, but parents are not. As the population ages, we will realise parents need holidays with their kids just as much as kids need holidays with their parents.

Vinnie
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My parents and then my sister were less dogmatic about dates. Celebrate on the 26th? That means extra Christmas fun with less rushing around.

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similarly
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I'm sorry, but OP is right. Celebrate some other day until you have more seniority.

Rdj
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

If you want to be with your kids you don't take a job like that. They may not have a lot of choice in America, but demanding that the person without kids works for you is antisocial.

XanthippeⓐWulf🇨🇦️️🇬🇧
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is not a standard request for employment in "America." Most places are by seniority. It does happen, but it's few & far between.

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kath morgan
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I wonder how many of them figured out the bias years ago, and have pretend children

John O'Donnell
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You had no say on your co-workers having kids, that’s on them. When it comes to giving up my time off so they can muck around with their saucepans? I think the phrase, “A cold day in Hell” comes to mind.

Bat cat in a hat
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"informal policy" my a**e. I bet some people get first dibs on all holidays just because they have kids without even considering childfree co-workers also have families and friends.

Gavin Johnson
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Everyone should get equall footing when it comes to time off work or shifts being set. Your choice to not have children or indeed have children doesn’t impact on that footing. When you sign a contract with a business there’s no clause that says ‘you must surrender your holidays to a member of staff with children’, if it does say that, don’t sign it. What you do with your time off is your business and no-one else’s. Can’t imagine spending holidays without your children? Use PTO or change jobs, it’s not my job to look after your privileges.

Janelle Collard
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

"Parental Entitlement" has gotten way out of hand in the US. Now pretty much every parent pulls the "I have to be off X holiday for my kids so you need to work for me." Go talk to your manager if it's such a BFD to have that day off.

Suzie
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you don't have kids doesn't mean you don't have a family. We have parents, grandparents, siblings, aunts, uncles, nieces, and nephews. We should be able to spend holidays with our family even if we don't have kids and not get guilt tripped over it.

Traveling Lady Railfan
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Never mention your home life/dependants status at work. If it's too late cuz they already know, get involved with a local "big brothers/big sisters" program. Then you can talk about "being there for the kids" and it's not a lie. You shouldn't have to pretend kids are in your life when they're not but ...you also shouldn't have to say "I have a boyfriend/am married " to ward off an over enthusiastic person who is hitting on you, either.

Iridian
Community Member
3 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Those YTA people above provided some good comedy relief. Maybe they should become comedians. But then, they'd have to work weekends. So sad.

SheamusFanFrom1987
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA dingbuckets think kids = entitlement is allowed. Dean Ambrose-NOPE for you ding-dums. Ever heard of first come, first served? OP deserves he well-earned rest and if June and mentor decide to push the matter, I think it would be time to have a talk with their kids about entitlement, directly in front of them. People, SMH!!!

TCW Sam Vimes
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Parents are so f*****g entitled. I've got a kid and would never expect someone else cover for my life decision. Every employee has the same rights and obligations. Marital status or kids don't play into that.

Brenda Spagnola-Wilson
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My late hubby always volunteered to work the days after Thanksgiving and Christmas, but would then take the whole week of New Years off. We had kids, but this let him spend more than 1 day with them. And allowed his coworkers who had to travel the time to do it

Brian Droste
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Should have said I am scheduled to work Christmas, I will switch with you. You work my Christmas day for me and I will work Thanksgiving for you. If she said. No. Then refuse to work Thanksgiving for her.

Meagan Glaser
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

teh people giving OP a hard time are just announcing "the only people in my family that I love are my children". Seriously, the REST of the family counts for family holidays too, i

Beth Wheeler
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother was a nurse for 33 years and she always had to work Christmas every year that I can remember. There were other nurses that did and didn't have kids. I don't really remember about Thanksgiving, bi guess she worked then took. People should have to take turns every year. For me in late Sept or early Oct the manager sends an email with the data ranges for thanksgiving, Christmas and New Year, you sent back your first and second choice

Joe Reaves
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People who don't have children still have families and one thanksgiving or Christmas will be the last one you get to spend with your parents or maybe even your spouse and there's no guarantee that you'll know that in advance. So OP agrees to change so mom can spend time with her kids and then realises she traded away the last chance to spend a holiday with someone she loved? Nope, sorry, your kids are not more important than anyone else's family.

The Starsong Princess
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Perhaps OP should give part of her paycheck to June as well because she has kids/s. Anyway, this system is completely whacked. My company has an elaborate lottery system for holidays that draws in January and you put in your name and preferences for the year. Each area has a certain amount of spots based on their business needs. Everyone has an equal chance and almost everyone gets either Thanksgiving or Christmas but you cannot get both unless everyone who put their name in for those holidays got at least one. New hires who start after the draw in January are expected to work unless additional spots open up and there’s a supplementary draw later in the year. In that case, their names go in. The rules for the lottery are pretty complex but they are fair and having kids doesn’t come into it.

Nel Cameron
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

We used to have to work holidays too. I had kids but pretty much everyone else did too. I had one advantage. I'm not Christian and don't celebrate Christmas. My big day is the 21st of December. So, I always had that day off and worked Christmas day (for double time pay). It was a great place for holidays... we were a mixed bunch of Christian, Atheist, Jewish, Wiccan and Muslim. We celebrated all the holidays and learned from each other. It was wonderful.

StumblingThroughLife
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4 days ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I popped in prematurely for this (will be back to finish it after reading): "365 days a year". USA need employer's rights, so bad, maaan, so much for the Land of the Free.... for business owners, maybe. I feel for you. xxx Edit: the OP is NTA. Such entitlement! Wow! (not that I agree with the lack of time off for national/seasonal holidays. it was better back in the day where you did not have to work on those days - I mean 24/7, 365 days a year, re: businessess - except emergency/police/fire/hosp, etc, services), but, as the OP said, just because you have kids it doesn't mean you get special treatment, and this is a WORK place, not a family home. I hope she doesn't fold and if they penalise her if she does, she'll (hopefully) be covered by some kind of employer support. The Effing nerve!

Sue User
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4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

There are 24/7 jobs all over the world: doctors, nurses, firefighters, police soldiers.

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White Thunder
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People need to get over the exact day of certain holidays. Isn't it more about celebrating and being with friends and family than the specific day? If you celebrate a certain holiday on a different day, that should be ok. That IS how we got Summerween and Christmas in July, after all.

TTorrest Author
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1 day ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The thing is, if she covers your shift for you, SHE is the kid that HER mother won't get to see over the holidays, so where's your argument now, June, huh? HUH???

Hodge Elmwood
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I went through this on the job until I achieved seniority and said no more. My family is just as important to me as their kids were to them. Their kids will have many holidays with them, but my elderly mom only had a limited number of holidays left in her lifetime.

GlitterPanda
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2 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Just because you don't have kids DOES NOT mean you don't have a family!!!!!

Sophia Athene
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I had to teach 8am classes because I don't have kids and faculty who have children need to drop them off at school in the morning. WTH?!? When they procreated, they accepted full responsibility for their children. Their children aren't my responsibility in the slightest. What would've happened if the university hired another prof with kids? Whatever that is, do it. Don't punish me b/c I don't have kids. But let's play the game. Those profs have a spouse to help and live nearby the uni. They have been teaching longer and know how to handle their household and do their job. I commuted an hour each way. I chose not to have kids b/c I'm an insomniac and know I don't want all that comes with their schooling and my job. There's 1,000 more reasons but these are way up there. I will gladly help out a prof with kids any other times. But my boss never sees me administering exams for a prof called into school over their kid, substitute teaching a prof's class if called away, etc.

roddy
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The YTA people don't seem to register that they are asking this person to NEVER get to spend holiday time with their families. As an only child living in another city, I looked forward to traveling to spend time with my aging parents who had nobody else to spend the holiday with. It's so selfish and entitled to make one person miss every holiday so that another person gets to enjoy them all. Most families with kids have more than one parent, so there can be someone there for the kids. NTA

Fiona McMillan
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Why do people with children assume that because you don't have kids, you don't have family. I would respond to the comment that June should be able to see her kids on holidays with "Yes my Mum loves to see her kids on holidays too"

Scott Rackley
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Let me reword it for you. Because I like raw dogging, I get all holidays off. Nah, keep bitching and I'll take Xmas off too.

BookFanatic
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't have kids. My department has two types of moms. Old enough where their kids are my age (40s). And young enough to be scared of me and not ask. Seriously, I would likely swap if asked. Only child and parents are gone...who am I gonna celebrate with? The cats? (okay, yes, of course the cats)

moggie63
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This only happened to me once. My reply of "why would I do that?", along with a refusal to discuss it any further, didn't go down well but put an immediate stop to that c**p.

Guess Undheit
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This is why they're called breeders, for their sense of entitlement, for their laziness, expecting to still get paid while others do their jobs for them. I hope the breeders have a crappy week and the OP has a great one with her FAMILY. One does not need to have a f_ck trophy for people to be deemed family.

notlikeyou1971
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not right to automatically hassle child free people to work every single holiday just because you have kids. Child free people have lives too. These people who say " you'll change your mind once you have kids" are nit wits. What if these people decide to stay child free forever? Are they supposed to be obligated to you for the rest of your child's life? Quit being entitled and pulling a guilt trip on child free people! The person is already working on Christmas. NO is a one word answer and no amount of guilt trip should change it. Don't feel guilty or change your plans for anyone. These people with kids take advantage of you and act entitled to special treatment. Sorry but you're all co workers and equals. You having kids is your problem. What goes on outside of work isn't the company's business or problem. Your mistake is telling co workers anything about your personal life/ business. Never do that. Youre being taken advantage of because of this and will be from now on and probably even though it has nothing to do with your job the company will go out of their way to make your life miserable. People who are Doctors,nurse, cops, soldiers etc have to work on holidays and don't get a free pass just because they are parents. These other parents at your job need to get over themselves. Life isn't fair sometimes and these people need to learn that now. Sorry but there's people that always have it worse than they do in this world. If missing 1 holiday is the worst of their problems,they don't have it that bad. Some people don't get to have holidays at all. See if Miss Entitled ever thinks of that or anyone else besides herself. She doesn't realize how selfish she is

Michael MacKinnon
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3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

In the workplace in question: down tools / go low productivity for Thanksgiving. Unless you're in a position where no-one on deck means somebody dies (see the nurse story), it's an option for management.

Woodsie
Community Member
4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's not just the kids who are affected, when people say that you can celebrate another day with your fiancee that's not fair because what about the rest of the extended family? They'd have to change their plans too. All the holidays should be shared out/alternated between all the staff kids or no kids.

tori Ohno
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Please post the name of the company so we can avoiding applying for a job there. They actually expect child free people to work holidays first? That's such BS. I feel myself and my family are more important than you and yours in my heart and mind. And children don't change that equation. You're the one who chose to overpopulte the planet, don't force me to suffer for it.

gene carroll
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

People without kids or singles were not put on earth fit people with kids

Ben Aziza
Community Member
3 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Barring some military/security contracts, Any "normal" job that required 365 days of work is called slavery. Op needs to do their best to get out of the 3rd world country that allows for that. Or do a good old revolution against the slave owners.

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