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Grieving Mom Insists On Honoring Her Lost Child At Daughter’s Wedding, Gets A Hit Of Reality
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Grieving Mom Insists On Honoring Her Lost Child At Daughter’s Wedding, Gets A Hit Of Reality

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Grieving is a hard and long process. A parent mourns their child for the rest of their life, but should that loss overshadow the family’s happy events? Birthdays, graduations, weddings, even? When this woman asked her daughter for a memorial table for her long-lost sister at her wedding, the bride bluntly refused.

The daughter wanted her wedding to be her day, not overshadowed by the loss of her sister, which happened many years ago. The mother, hurt and insulted, asked the internet whether she was wrong to tell her daughter to “Get over herself” and grant her request.

To find out more about how families can overcome their differences in grief, Bored Panda reached out to a grief and loss coach, Iris Arenson-Fuller, PPC, CPC. She told us what could’ve been a better way for the mother to address her grief in this situation. Read her expert insights below!

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Everyone deals with grief differently, but no sibling should live in their deceased one’s shadow

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This mother thought her daughter’s wedding should include a memorial table for the bride’s long-deceased sister

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Asking your living child to honor their deceased sibling on their wedding day is quite intrusive

Iris Arenson-Fuller has spent many years helping people deal with grief, and while the mother’s feelings are understandable, Arenson-Fuller says that the daughter’s reaction is quite appropriate and understandable as well.

“Demanding that a daughter have a memorial table for the departed sibling at her own wedding is really intrusive, in my opinion,” she says. “This is a special day for the daughter and her husband-to-be. It is about joy, new chapters, love and life. It’s not about the departed.”

It’s natural for the mother to feel sad during a time like this. “Happy occasions bring many ambivalent feelings to those who have lost close loved ones,” the grief coach says.

“Mom needs to spend some time alone before the festivities and perhaps after, sitting with her feelings, maybe even writing them down and having a good cry. Her daughter’s wedding is not the place to focus on the deceased child.”

Arenson-Fuller says that if the mother feels conflicted or is unable to feel happy for the daughter on her wedding day, she should seek some help. While her grief is understandable, demanding that a bride make her wedding day about her deceased sister is not okay.

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“We don’t ‘get over’ the loss of a child, or of any beloved,” the grief expert points out. “Time does not heal, as many erroneously believe, though it can soften the sharpness. The pain will always be there and will sometimes take us by surprise at unexpected times, or will be triggered by something.”

A grieving family should talk to each other to make the grieving process easier for everyone

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From what the author describes here, it seems that the mother and the children have different ways of grieving or are at different stages of grief. And the best thing to do in this situation is for the mother and the living children to talk their feelings out.

“Based on my personal experiences with many losses, as well as my training and work with grieving individuals, I would say that open honest conversation from the get-go is the healthiest way to enable good communications and open processing of grief,” Iris Arenson-Fuller says.

“Some people can more easily express their feelings than others. If the mother is always comparing her living children to the departed sibling, of course, this would not be a good thing.”

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“If, however, she is just mentioning the one who [passed away], because she needs to speak the name and remember, that’s a whole other story.” In some cases, people might need to express their feelings and thoughts in a less triggering setting. A grief coach or a grief counselor might help them do just that.

“The mother should explain she is having a hard day with memories and feelings when they hit her hard.  She should encourage her other offspring to speak about their own, but should never insist or push them,” Arenson-Fuller says. “Again, it’s important to let them know how much she values them, loves and cherishes them, yet also loves and misses the deceased.”

“She should tell them that she is ready to listen, if and when they ever need to talk about their feelings regarding the deceased, regarding their relationship with the deceased, even if they worry about it, upsetting her or even making her cry.”

Many people called out the mother for putting her deceased daughter before her living children

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However, some netizens thought that the mother should be able to grieve how she wants

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Kornelija Viečaitė

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Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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Kornelija Viečaitė

Kornelija Viečaitė

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Hi there, fellow pandas! As a person (over)educated both in social sciences and literature, I'm most interested in how we connect and behave online (and sometimes in real life too.) The human experience is weird, so I try my best to put its peculiarities in writing. As a person who grew up chronically online, I now try to marry two sides of myself: the one who knows too much about MySpace, and the one who can't settle and needs to see every corner of the world.

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As a Visual Editor at Bored Panda, I indulge in the joy of curating delightful content, from adorable pet photos to hilarious memes, all while nurturing my wanderlust and continuously seeking new adventures and interests—sometimes thrilling, sometimes daunting, but always exciting!

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Spencer's slave no longer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, BP only put part of the reddit post. By all accounts, the mother gave the two younger children to their father, sole custody, for SEVEN YEARS after Brooke died. It's no bloody wonder the living, breathing kids don't want to have a favourite ghost child forced on them. The mother also wished she hadn't had them. For nigh on 30 years this woman has resented her living children.

Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, this is not the story of a heartbroken mother as much as it is the story of a person with a personality disorder who holds up their dead child as a way to excuse their dysfunction and extreme self-involvement. Either way, the two living children will likely go no contact at some point and this lady can live her life with the grief altar for her lost child as her only companion. I'm not being as heartless as it sounds, the initial loss must have been devastating and it's not wrong that she sent the children to their father in the aftermath. It's better that then neglecting or abusing them outright (although, the dad presumably also lost a daughter so...yikes). Anyway, this woman wants everyone to know she is a martyr to grief . I'm sorry for her loss but she's been HORRIBLE to her living children and uses grief as an excuse. She's also either go the world's most beleaguered therapist or she's lying about having a therapist.

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TribbleThinking
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's her wedding day. Memorial tables are not a tradition for a reason. Ironically, it is you who needs to get over yourself. Either your therapist is terrible, and making a mint from you, or you're just ignoring them.

Ripley
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The irony of this woman, who really needs to get over herself, telling her daughter to do the same is breathtaking.

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James016
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That second NTA is a muppet, Marnie does not remember Brooke at all.

Justin Smith
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other commenters pointed it out. The mother drove the two living children to resent and hate their sister.

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Apatheist Account2
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my parents' 25th wedding anniversary, my father proposed a toast to "absent friends". That honoured those who were no longer around, but doesn't make the whole day about them.

Jill Rhodry
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a lovely way to do it. This woman needs to buy a locket and put a photo of her deceased daughter in it, that way she'll be with her wherever she goes.

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David L
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Still in therapy? They feed her loss and grief so she can line their pockets.

dremetrius
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Possible. But also, a therapist can only do so much if you're not willing to put in the work to accomplish change. We don't even know if the therapist is aware that she does this.

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Wills mom
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You need a better therapist if you're still at this stage decades later. YTA.

Joe Reaves
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Memorial seats/tables are for people one of the couple wish were there. Since the bride almost certainly doesn't remember her sister, why would the bride feel she was missing? It's ridiculous. Now if they'd been 15 and 13 or 25 and 23 when it happened the bride might want to do it, but this is all about the mother and then she has the nerve to call the bride selfish for wanting her wedding day to be the one day in her entire memory (by the looks of it) that has ever been about her and her alone (well her and the groom but not her and her sister).

Insomniac
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen people have the memorial seat for a recently deceased parent. That makes sense. But for a sibling they never knew... that's ridiculous.

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Melissa Harris
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Complex grief like this is more a mental illness then grieving. No half decent accredited therapist would see her behavior or mindset as healthy. She's inflicting emotional abuse and second hand turama on her other children.

Gabriele Alfredo Pini
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother lost a daughter (I never know her) but the only time she was upset is when a cousin listed our decesead parents (italian family, very big) and she was excluded (I think they genuinely forgot, my sister died 40 years ago and she was only 43 days old, of whooping cough). And even the she told only me that she was upset they didn't listed her, she didn't make a fuss with the cousin.

Captain McSmoot
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. In the slim, near impossible, chance OP reads this, wear a locket with your daughter's photo inside. This way you can bring your daughter with you everywhere you go, not just to special events. Have back ups, lockets and photos, in case something were to happen, you could quickly put on another and have her with you. I'm almost certain your therapist would agree with what I'm advising. You are making your daughter the centerpiece of every event without meaning to. Others have dealt with their grief. However, you basically force a memorial shrine in every event you are allowed to. Just as you haven't forgotten your daughter, neither has your family. They have a hole within them that nothing can fill except your daughter. They'll never forget that and there's nothing you can do about it. The only thing you seem to be doing is hurting your living daughters and family by doing this. You're driving a wedge between them and you and them and the dead. Leave your daughters in peace.

Kaeda
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This has got to be clickbait, right? I'm not trying to be mean... I swear. It's just... my goodness. This is absolutely terrible of the mother to do to those kids!

Historyharlot93
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s probably true. There are lots of stories of mom’s doing this, especially if a twin died. Plus, OP is thoroughly enjoying being the grieving mom, even if she doesn’t know it. My cousin took my aunt and uncles urns to her son’s wedding and put them on the front pew. Without even talking to the bride. My Aunt had recently passed and Cousin thought it would be sweet for them to be there. She hated her parents, they were abusive drunks. But Cousin enjoyed the attention she got as the grieving daughter. My mom said in hindsight she would have told my cousin to remove them immediately, but everyone was kind of in shock.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone pointed out that she might be doing that. Some people want therapists to just validate their views and switch when the therapist tries to do their job properly.

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Trillian
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel sorry for her and it does not seem like therapy helped much, if at all. But it is very selfish to burden your grief on the younger children that way. They already had to grow up in the shadow of a dead sister they are too young to remember themselves. Give it a break.

Alexandra
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For Heaven's sake, get therapy! Before you damage your existing relationships beyond repair.

Upstaged75
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's already been in therapy for over 20 years. I don't think it's helping.

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mandy the capibara
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having worked with grieving parents, this sometimes happens. It is difficult to let grief be a part of ypur life without overshadowimg eveything else. Sometimes, grief becomes so much part of your identity that parents can even feel guilty for not having their grief center-stage. As if they would love their child less by moving on.

Papa
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't doubt that you're right, but that doesn't excuse the mother's behavior. (I didn't down vote you either.)

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CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hope she doesn't do anything inappropriate at the wedding to "make Brooke a part of it."

Tabitha
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know, if you lost a child when they were 5, it’s OK to grieve openly, but only for a period of time that’s appropriate. Don’t go jumping into the grave with them. I doubt if they were alive they’d expect you to do that. If you have other children, you should be holding them closer because they’re still here, and you should never force them to take a back seat to their deceased sister. Never. Now, there’s nothing wrong with privately remembering the child who isn’t at her sister’s or brother’s birthday party, graduation, wedding. Nothing wrong with that, but keep it private—-inside yourself. Take a moment alone if you have to, but do not, repeat NOT f**k up your living children’s lives by prioritizing your dead child over them. Great way to end up with NO children in your life when they’re old enough to leave and go full no contact with you, and only claim their father as their only parent, because I doubt for those seven years he had sole custody that he ever set up memorials to his dead daughter at every one of the other two kids’ events. I bet he only mentioned her periodically at appropriate moments, not necessarily anywhere around his other children so as to not rain on their parades, and made the mention brief. I hope you and your dead child are happy together, because she will be ALL you have after you chased your other kids away.

Dragons Exist
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's been at least 20 years (prob closer to 30) since she died. It sounds like that therapy isn't helping

Pencil McGovern
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JeepersCreepers74 nailed it. But I'll add that I do feel sorry the mom. Both for her loss and for having such clearly ineffectual therapy for decades. She should have been able to comes to terms with this long, long ago. But I feel so much worse for OP and her sister. Their lives have been consumed by this and it's time it stops.

weatherwitch
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think the mother is a narcissist. I feel she was destroyed by the loss of Brooke and has never had the proper counselling. Her therapist sounds like they've lost the plot and have been highly damaging to this woman and therefore her other children. This is extreme grief with an exaggerated response from grief. She's destroying her living children with her severe demanding for insane memorials. Giving her children to their father for seven years meant she got to wallow in grief, the what ifs, without connecting to her living childrens needs. She had no distractions from her grief which was unhealthy. It would be helpful for the living kids to go lc to nc, they've lived in Brooks shadow long enough

P.L. Packer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry, OP, you are a horrible person. If your daughter was 5 and the eldest when she passed, the other two had to have been toddler/infant age. They didn't really know their sister. And you haven't been there for them since. Were you the cause of Brooke's demise? Are you blaming yourself and unable to forgive yourself? You need a new therapist.

Willie D'Kay
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was forced/guilted into allowing my mother to have a memorial table and candle lighting ceremony at my wedding for my deceased brother, the golden child that would have kept living in our hometown near her forever. And he was an adult with a child of his own when he passed. The world has to stop revolving a few times a year especially on his birthday and his death-iversary which happens to be the day before my oldest son's birthday and 2 days before youngest son's. 12 years now of not even being able to focus on the joy of my sons without comments about "If your brother was still alive..." Sure, did your forget that brother disliked little ol' black sheep me and made my life miserable? And apparently continues to do so. Sorry you all got stuck with the consolation kid that continues to disappoint, lol.

Sheena Leversedge Wood
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if the mother wants her to be part of every event, maybe she should just wear a locket with her photo in it, rather than making it all about the dead child at every opportunity. she can wear her image close to her heart, and know that in that way, she's part of the day, without detracting from the living children's celebrations.

Pamacious
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mom is doing exactly what her daughter said: making her grief a living, front stage entity between her and the rest of the world. For her to be this dysfunctional after this long but to reach out enough to post a question like this indicates that she may benefit from a more direct or at least different style of therapy than she's receiving.

Insomniac
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my friend's wedding (against the spoken wishes of the bride and groom), the MOG made the whole reception sing a hymn to commemorate the groom's brother who had died thirty years before in infancy. She does this at any event with a microphone, like someone's retirement party, weddings where she's a guest and not even family, and if people forbid her or try stop her, then suddenly she's having chest pains, etc. She doesn't understand why she gets snubbed for invitations now.

Gwyn
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Way to give your children deadweight and chains to carry around all their lives. I can't imagine abandoning my other kids if one passed away and then battering them with the grief of it every time there's any excuse to. Sounds like munchausen syndrome where she gets everyone to feel sorry for her and focus on her all the time.

iseefractals
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your grief, is your own, and insisting on trotting it out, to make it center stage at every opportunity is not only disgustingly manipulative, but counterproductive to actually being able to heal. It's not honoring the loss, it's wallowing in misery while demanding that everyone around you fixate on your "suffering"

Rob Letterly
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the OP sounds like she'd rather be with her dead daughter. So what's stopping her? Get on with it, already.

Spencer's slave no longer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Once again, BP only put part of the reddit post. By all accounts, the mother gave the two younger children to their father, sole custody, for SEVEN YEARS after Brooke died. It's no bloody wonder the living, breathing kids don't want to have a favourite ghost child forced on them. The mother also wished she hadn't had them. For nigh on 30 years this woman has resented her living children.

Cronecast AtTheRisingMoon
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Yes, this is not the story of a heartbroken mother as much as it is the story of a person with a personality disorder who holds up their dead child as a way to excuse their dysfunction and extreme self-involvement. Either way, the two living children will likely go no contact at some point and this lady can live her life with the grief altar for her lost child as her only companion. I'm not being as heartless as it sounds, the initial loss must have been devastating and it's not wrong that she sent the children to their father in the aftermath. It's better that then neglecting or abusing them outright (although, the dad presumably also lost a daughter so...yikes). Anyway, this woman wants everyone to know she is a martyr to grief . I'm sorry for her loss but she's been HORRIBLE to her living children and uses grief as an excuse. She's also either go the world's most beleaguered therapist or she's lying about having a therapist.

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TribbleThinking
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's her wedding day. Memorial tables are not a tradition for a reason. Ironically, it is you who needs to get over yourself. Either your therapist is terrible, and making a mint from you, or you're just ignoring them.

Ripley
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The irony of this woman, who really needs to get over herself, telling her daughter to do the same is breathtaking.

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James016
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That second NTA is a muppet, Marnie does not remember Brooke at all.

Justin Smith
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Other commenters pointed it out. The mother drove the two living children to resent and hate their sister.

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Apatheist Account2
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my parents' 25th wedding anniversary, my father proposed a toast to "absent friends". That honoured those who were no longer around, but doesn't make the whole day about them.

Jill Rhodry
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

That's a lovely way to do it. This woman needs to buy a locket and put a photo of her deceased daughter in it, that way she'll be with her wherever she goes.

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David L
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Still in therapy? They feed her loss and grief so she can line their pockets.

dremetrius
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Possible. But also, a therapist can only do so much if you're not willing to put in the work to accomplish change. We don't even know if the therapist is aware that she does this.

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Wills mom
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You need a better therapist if you're still at this stage decades later. YTA.

Joe Reaves
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Memorial seats/tables are for people one of the couple wish were there. Since the bride almost certainly doesn't remember her sister, why would the bride feel she was missing? It's ridiculous. Now if they'd been 15 and 13 or 25 and 23 when it happened the bride might want to do it, but this is all about the mother and then she has the nerve to call the bride selfish for wanting her wedding day to be the one day in her entire memory (by the looks of it) that has ever been about her and her alone (well her and the groom but not her and her sister).

Insomniac
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I've seen people have the memorial seat for a recently deceased parent. That makes sense. But for a sibling they never knew... that's ridiculous.

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Melissa Harris
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Complex grief like this is more a mental illness then grieving. No half decent accredited therapist would see her behavior or mindset as healthy. She's inflicting emotional abuse and second hand turama on her other children.

Gabriele Alfredo Pini
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

My mother lost a daughter (I never know her) but the only time she was upset is when a cousin listed our decesead parents (italian family, very big) and she was excluded (I think they genuinely forgot, my sister died 40 years ago and she was only 43 days old, of whooping cough). And even the she told only me that she was upset they didn't listed her, she didn't make a fuss with the cousin.

Captain McSmoot
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

YTA. In the slim, near impossible, chance OP reads this, wear a locket with your daughter's photo inside. This way you can bring your daughter with you everywhere you go, not just to special events. Have back ups, lockets and photos, in case something were to happen, you could quickly put on another and have her with you. I'm almost certain your therapist would agree with what I'm advising. You are making your daughter the centerpiece of every event without meaning to. Others have dealt with their grief. However, you basically force a memorial shrine in every event you are allowed to. Just as you haven't forgotten your daughter, neither has your family. They have a hole within them that nothing can fill except your daughter. They'll never forget that and there's nothing you can do about it. The only thing you seem to be doing is hurting your living daughters and family by doing this. You're driving a wedge between them and you and them and the dead. Leave your daughters in peace.

Kaeda
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

This has got to be clickbait, right? I'm not trying to be mean... I swear. It's just... my goodness. This is absolutely terrible of the mother to do to those kids!

Historyharlot93
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It’s probably true. There are lots of stories of mom’s doing this, especially if a twin died. Plus, OP is thoroughly enjoying being the grieving mom, even if she doesn’t know it. My cousin took my aunt and uncles urns to her son’s wedding and put them on the front pew. Without even talking to the bride. My Aunt had recently passed and Cousin thought it would be sweet for them to be there. She hated her parents, they were abusive drunks. But Cousin enjoyed the attention she got as the grieving daughter. My mom said in hindsight she would have told my cousin to remove them immediately, but everyone was kind of in shock.

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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Someone pointed out that she might be doing that. Some people want therapists to just validate their views and switch when the therapist tries to do their job properly.

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Trillian
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I feel sorry for her and it does not seem like therapy helped much, if at all. But it is very selfish to burden your grief on the younger children that way. They already had to grow up in the shadow of a dead sister they are too young to remember themselves. Give it a break.

Alexandra
Community Member
1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

For Heaven's sake, get therapy! Before you damage your existing relationships beyond repair.

Upstaged75
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

She's already been in therapy for over 20 years. I don't think it's helping.

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mandy the capibara
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Having worked with grieving parents, this sometimes happens. It is difficult to let grief be a part of ypur life without overshadowimg eveything else. Sometimes, grief becomes so much part of your identity that parents can even feel guilty for not having their grief center-stage. As if they would love their child less by moving on.

Papa
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't doubt that you're right, but that doesn't excuse the mother's behavior. (I didn't down vote you either.)

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CBolt
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I hope she doesn't do anything inappropriate at the wedding to "make Brooke a part of it."

Tabitha
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

You know, if you lost a child when they were 5, it’s OK to grieve openly, but only for a period of time that’s appropriate. Don’t go jumping into the grave with them. I doubt if they were alive they’d expect you to do that. If you have other children, you should be holding them closer because they’re still here, and you should never force them to take a back seat to their deceased sister. Never. Now, there’s nothing wrong with privately remembering the child who isn’t at her sister’s or brother’s birthday party, graduation, wedding. Nothing wrong with that, but keep it private—-inside yourself. Take a moment alone if you have to, but do not, repeat NOT f**k up your living children’s lives by prioritizing your dead child over them. Great way to end up with NO children in your life when they’re old enough to leave and go full no contact with you, and only claim their father as their only parent, because I doubt for those seven years he had sole custody that he ever set up memorials to his dead daughter at every one of the other two kids’ events. I bet he only mentioned her periodically at appropriate moments, not necessarily anywhere around his other children so as to not rain on their parades, and made the mention brief. I hope you and your dead child are happy together, because she will be ALL you have after you chased your other kids away.

Dragons Exist
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

It's been at least 20 years (prob closer to 30) since she died. It sounds like that therapy isn't helping

Pencil McGovern
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

JeepersCreepers74 nailed it. But I'll add that I do feel sorry the mom. Both for her loss and for having such clearly ineffectual therapy for decades. She should have been able to comes to terms with this long, long ago. But I feel so much worse for OP and her sister. Their lives have been consumed by this and it's time it stops.

weatherwitch
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3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I don't think the mother is a narcissist. I feel she was destroyed by the loss of Brooke and has never had the proper counselling. Her therapist sounds like they've lost the plot and have been highly damaging to this woman and therefore her other children. This is extreme grief with an exaggerated response from grief. She's destroying her living children with her severe demanding for insane memorials. Giving her children to their father for seven years meant she got to wallow in grief, the what ifs, without connecting to her living childrens needs. She had no distractions from her grief which was unhealthy. It would be helpful for the living kids to go lc to nc, they've lived in Brooks shadow long enough

P.L. Packer
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Sorry, OP, you are a horrible person. If your daughter was 5 and the eldest when she passed, the other two had to have been toddler/infant age. They didn't really know their sister. And you haven't been there for them since. Were you the cause of Brooke's demise? Are you blaming yourself and unable to forgive yourself? You need a new therapist.

Willie D'Kay
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

I was forced/guilted into allowing my mother to have a memorial table and candle lighting ceremony at my wedding for my deceased brother, the golden child that would have kept living in our hometown near her forever. And he was an adult with a child of his own when he passed. The world has to stop revolving a few times a year especially on his birthday and his death-iversary which happens to be the day before my oldest son's birthday and 2 days before youngest son's. 12 years now of not even being able to focus on the joy of my sons without comments about "If your brother was still alive..." Sure, did your forget that brother disliked little ol' black sheep me and made my life miserable? And apparently continues to do so. Sorry you all got stuck with the consolation kid that continues to disappoint, lol.

Sheena Leversedge Wood
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

if the mother wants her to be part of every event, maybe she should just wear a locket with her photo in it, rather than making it all about the dead child at every opportunity. she can wear her image close to her heart, and know that in that way, she's part of the day, without detracting from the living children's celebrations.

Pamacious
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1 month ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

The mom is doing exactly what her daughter said: making her grief a living, front stage entity between her and the rest of the world. For her to be this dysfunctional after this long but to reach out enough to post a question like this indicates that she may benefit from a more direct or at least different style of therapy than she's receiving.

Insomniac
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

At my friend's wedding (against the spoken wishes of the bride and groom), the MOG made the whole reception sing a hymn to commemorate the groom's brother who had died thirty years before in infancy. She does this at any event with a microphone, like someone's retirement party, weddings where she's a guest and not even family, and if people forbid her or try stop her, then suddenly she's having chest pains, etc. She doesn't understand why she gets snubbed for invitations now.

Gwyn
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Way to give your children deadweight and chains to carry around all their lives. I can't imagine abandoning my other kids if one passed away and then battering them with the grief of it every time there's any excuse to. Sounds like munchausen syndrome where she gets everyone to feel sorry for her and focus on her all the time.

iseefractals
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

Your grief, is your own, and insisting on trotting it out, to make it center stage at every opportunity is not only disgustingly manipulative, but counterproductive to actually being able to heal. It's not honoring the loss, it's wallowing in misery while demanding that everyone around you fixate on your "suffering"

Rob Letterly
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1 month ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

the OP sounds like she'd rather be with her dead daughter. So what's stopping her? Get on with it, already.

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