A movie quote that resonates with a lot of internet users is Harvey Dent’s line from 2008’s ‘The Dark Knight’ that, “You either die a hero or you live long enough to see yourself become the villain.” The idea is that no matter how good of a person you might seem to be, eventually, you’ll fall from grace and end up going against your own supposed principles. The people you respect and adore one day might be whom you detest the next because you learn what they’ve done.
And though life’s certainly not a movie and the quote doesn’t hold true for everyone, it does highlight the fact that dramatic falls from grace really do happen, especially to stars. Suddenly, the scales fall from the adoring crowd’s eyes and they see the person for who they are now… or who they really were deep inside, all along. A villain, definitely not a hero.
The crowd over on r/AskReddit shared their thoughts about the very worst real-life examples of heroes turning out to be villains. Scroll down to read which celebrities and public figures they named and shamed, Pandas. And if you know of any similar examples, you can share them in the comments.
Entertainment and pop culture expert Mike Sington, aka Hollywood's Ultimate Insider, shared his thoughts with Bored Panda about public figures and stars letting their fans down, as well as whether or not we can definitively tell if someone well-known is being genuine. "You can never tell that a celebrity or public figure is 100% genuine. You just can’t, because you don’t really know that celebrity or public figure. You think you do because they’re famous, but you don’t. In all likelihood, you’ve never even met the person," he told us.
"In my experience, someone may be hiding who they are if you only see a glossy side of them." Scroll down for our full interview with Mike.
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Dr. Oz is the perfect example. He started out a legitimate talented accomplished cardiac surgeon. Then he started with his snake-oil peddling on TV and has now completely devolved into a pandering narcissistic Trump-loving politician.
I live in PA. No one I know is voting for him but it still scares me to death.
You are not the only one. A New Jersey resident, already trying to skirt election laws by running in a neighboring state? Definitely worth worrying about. PA pandas, please don't let this person get a shot in determining the course our state takes. We are a critical battleground state - if we let this supposed doctor win, we will end up paying more than one terrible price at the hands of the far right.
Load More Replies...My granddaughter is a pharmacist and she has told me that way too often she had people try to convince her or one of her staff that what their physicians had prescribed for them should be replaced by something from Dr. Oz's snake oil stuff. She says that often using his 'magic potion' instead of the prescribed med could be dangerous.
I upvoted you to cancel the downvote. Guess someone didn't like seeing a simple fact.
Load More Replies...I'm with you on the doctors, but it honestly confuses me why so many hate Harry and Megan so much. Every statement I've ever heard them make and everything they advocate for seems quite kind? Please don't downvote me, Harry and Megan haters - I honestly just don't get it.
Load More Replies...And now he is so desperate to win that he has engaged in a smear campaign against his opponent. He must not have a single good idea if all he (and the PACs supporting him) just spend their time twisting facts.
The only thing with which I disagree is the statement that Oz "Started out talented and accomplished..." Yes he was a surgeon. But was he truly as talented as Oprah and others insisted? From a close family friend who is a very respected cardiac surgeon (as in acknowledged by his peers for expertise) Oz was always a middle of the road, not terribly good surgeon. Regardless, he rapidly fell into being a snake-oil salesman of lousy repute. It's not just because he is a Trump sycophant. he because he has misled and exploited many desperate people with his quackery.
I like using homeopathic aids in addition to my medications. Maybe it's because my family is native american and our shamans know their herbs and plants of medicinal value. I think too many pharmaceutical companies and pharmacists are down on some natural things because the can't patent nature and unless they can synthesize the active components to make a profit, they think it's all bogus.
Load More Replies...He is running for US senate in Pennsylvania as a MAGA. The best thing about it is the opposition ads. This is one of my favorites. https://www.politifact.com/article/2022/jul/28/fact-checking-wizard-lies-attack-mehmet-oz-over-mi/
Load More Replies...LA-based celebrity expert Mike told Bored Panda how we can tell if a public figure or a celebrity may be hiding something.
"If their life seems overly curated, only focusing on the good and positive of what they present to the public, then they may be hiding something. You can usually sense when someone has genuinely let you into their life, and when they haven’t. That applies not just to celebrities, but to the real people in your life as well," he said.
"We usually look up to celebrities and public figures, but it’s important to remember, despite their accomplishments, they are people just like you and me," Mike said.
Rudy Giuliani. Dude was “America’s mayor” just 20 years ago. A brilliant, ballsy prosecutor who took down the mob then shepherded NY through 9/11. Now he’s just thought of as the increasingly unhinged trump lackey that sweat hair dye in front of a landscaping company that shoulda been a hotel.
Apparently, Giuliani spent his time as prosecutor taking down the mobs *he had no business with*, while providing jobs and protecting other mobsters that were his associates. Among those associates, there were Bronx families (who benefited from government contracts and from prosecution of their competitors) and the Russian mob, who later was an important part of his political parabola with Trump. https://publicintegrity.org/politics/elections/fbi-tracked-alleged-russian-mob-ties-of-giuliani-campaign-supporter/ https://apnews.com/article/bde5137666480600ace2e9db264dcbb5 https://www.encyclopedia.com/law/educational-magazines/mob-was-citys-watchdog-during-giuliani-cleanup
The only reason people really liked him was because he cleaned up times square (hookers and homeless were literally arrested if they were caught, or at least told to move on) and that made the businesses happy because it was hurting their profits from tourists. And then during 9/11 he was with a lot of the police and fire at ground zero for days. He really appealed to a lot of new yorkers because of his dedication during that time (or at least, what seemed like dedication). People absolutely loved him and talked about making him president, etc. People were really emotional at the time and once the dust literally settled they realized he was kind of just milking it. He would go on every talk show, it was like... enough already.
Load More Replies...He was a c**p mayor, and really took fascist law enforcement to the extreme. His political career was saved by 9/11, so naturally he squandered all of that good will.
Press conference at Four Seasons Landscaping instead of Four Seasons Hotel. Hilarious.
The best press conferences are always nestled between a porn shop and a crematorium.
Load More Replies...This guy rode on the coattails of 9/11 for too long. His brain is pickled and his deranged disregard of reality is almost a joke. I'd say a complete joke, if there weren't people out there in complete lockstep with this brand of crazy.
I was a banquet server for a small meeting he was hosting about 15 years ago. I couldn’t stand him then either.
Had 9/11 not occurred, Giuliani might have ended up in prison for all illegal and unethical acts he committed while mayor. He did a great deal of harm to those in great need and exploited his office to his own and his supporters benefit. Honesty and integrity are not words anyone would ever have used to describe Rudy. Not then and not now.
As a longtime New Yorker, just here to say that Giuliani was *always* bad (as Jrog pointed out)
Ellen Degeneres
It’s a shame it took so long. There were stories out there for years about what a horrible person she is. Just now coming main stream.
Foreword: Unpopular opinion so take this with a grain of salt. Ok but she still changed a ton of people's lives for the better. I don't believe that actions are louder than words, cause words can still hurt like hell, but whatever happened to giving people a little grace? I can acknowledge that she made a couple mistakes, but so has everyone. There are many people out there that have made more mistakes than her and done less charity than her, so why do we jump all over her all the time?
Have not liked her for years. I do not think she enjoys hosting anymore either. She's just blah. Not funny. Games are humiliating
I think soe enjoyed it but she had to be the boss , very narcistic , not humble at all , all powerful, like i can make you or brake you, i have the power to change your life if you are rich or poor
Load More Replies...Unpopular opinion, this woman still did amazing things for people. I, too, am getting grouchier with age.
I get that she was a terrible boss, but she doesn't belong in the same list as rapists and murderers like Cosby, Spacey and OJ. Let alone ranked higher than each of them. We need some perspective here.
Load More Replies...You could see it way before the Ellen show. Just something about her was like, it was in her eyes. I never watched the Ellen show.
Her eye's almost always looked sad and anxious to me. Some times happy, sometimes surprised, but yah, like most comedians, always a sadness behind the presented face.
Load More Replies...I have not liked her for a while. She uses her guests fears and then taunts them with it, and has done this multiple times. Be kind my a*s.
Years ago the show had some kind of a game where you stood on a trap door and tried to answer questions correctly. Ellen made her shy, admin type, employee get up there and Ellen teased her. The gal begged Ellen not to drop her down from the trap door. Ellen dropped her and she cried. An ugly action.
I mean, probably for the LGBTQ community when she came out as a lesbian. It was 1997 and pretty taboo back then. I am in no way defending all her crappy actions just FYI.
Load More Replies..."Anyone, celebrity or not, is susceptible to making mistakes and doing bad things. When a celebrity does something bad, it’s amplified exponentially because they are in the public eye, and are being watched so closely by so many people. So when a celebrity does bad things, it’s important to keep perspective in mind.
According to entertainment and pop culture expert Mike, the expectations from fans that celebrities ought to be 'perfect' is a pressure that fans put on themselves.
"Don’t for a second worry about putting that pressure on stars. They know the pitfalls of being famous, and are very able to step out of the celebrity spotlight if the pressure to be perfect is too much," he noted.
Bill Cosby was once nominated for a Nobel peace prize.
EDIT: Also the EMMYs gave him a humanitarian award. Also the President medal of freedom.
Donald Trump was "nominated" for the Nobel Peace Prize. The nomination itself is meaningless.
Nominated by a Norwegian Neo Nazi so that tells you everything you need to know
Load More Replies...Right? They were one of my comfort families on tv. (My family was very toxic/anti-self esteme).
Load More Replies...This was disgusting to see unfold. My bio father was and always will be absent in my life, his own choosing. Cosby was my stand-in as a child. The very idea and thought of him comforted me as a child. I'm just sickened at this monster now. We used to play his standup show on our cassette players all the time.
One thing about all this Cosby-gate stuff is that I miss Cliff Huxtable. Watched that show for years, really loved that family. Now- gone off the air forever.
That's what makes me really mad. All the other people on that show put their best into their performances too. I wish you could just erase him from the show permanently.
Load More Replies...There’s no such thing as a formal “nomination process” for the Nobel Peace Prize. Per their website, “Any person or organization can be nominated by anyone eligible to nominate. There is no vetting of nominations prior to the nomination deadline (…) To simply be nominated is therefore not an official endorsement or honour extended by the Nobel Committee (…).” This year, there are 343 candidates for the Nobel Peace Prize. https://www.nobelpeaceprize.org/nobel-peace-prize/nomination/
I keep making Cosby and trump comparisons. Both of them were very influential, wealthy, important icons in their circle. Also both horrible disgusting perverts. In racist America, one becomes president and the other one ends up serving time. Not defending Cosby at all, he's a rapist. But if he were white, he would be an important figure on Fox news.
Baby boomers that used to be hippies but are now Capitalist thralls who can’t tell freedom from fascism.
As a boomer, I have to agree. We honestly thought we would have the better world that we were fighting for. I'm sorry. I hope you will do better, and I'll do what I can to help
The fact that you even bother to extend your help puts you head and shoulders above the people this post is about.
Load More Replies...Most of my fellow boomers who were hippies are still hippy-ish. But our fellow boomers who were over in the business school while the rest of us were picketing or getting high, they were another breed. There was a divide back then that still holds today. Think "Animal House."
I was about to ask that. I was too young then but I'd think that's largely the case, hippies were never a majority. My older cousins that were hippies are still very progressive thinking even now
Load More Replies...Ain't that the truth!! I'll be 54 next month and every year is a new body part that doesn't want to work right anymore, lol
Load More Replies...We did make great strides. A lot of pollution was taken care of (my local river was a cesspool, it is now beautiful), protections put in place, more inclusive access to buildings, parking, sidewalks. But all we did was supposed to just be the beginning. It wasn't supposed to stop or go backwards. That makes it such a tragedy. It's why the younger generation needs to keep going. I came of age in the 70s. Spiraling inflation, massive layoffs, huge gas price increases (and some astoundingly bad music). I feel like I have gone back in time.
Every generation blames the one before and determines to do better. Trouble is, the world is getting worse and worse with every generation. I'm waiting for the generation to arrive who actually WILL make this world a better place. As far as my vision goes, I don't see anything on the horizon yet. It's a long time coming.
My parents were 60's hippies. My dad is now 78 years old and still holds the same ideals of wanting to make the world a better place. I feel for him because he's so disappointed in what's become of America. He came from Italian immigrants that came here for a better life, and to give their family more opportunities.
Just remember this isn't ALL baby boomers! Most of the hippies still are. We're just lookin' more like Willie Nelson these days! :)
Boomers are not unique in their evils or their benefits. Name calling and playing the blame game is very popular right now but it seems a ploy to evade attending to the problems we ALL need to recognize and work on.
Yes, I’ve thought about this a lot. Whatever happened to peace and love? That’s what they used to be all about. Not any longer.
Conor McGregor. He had the whole country behind him here in Ireland at one point bar people who thought combat sport is grotesque. He was witty, original, backing himself up and having a Hollywood like rise to stardom. Now he's some coke head who the whole country is ashamed of, goes punching old men, clearly sleeps around on his wife while she's at home with the kids, numerous allegations against him for sexual assault, just a walking caricature of himself. He didn't listen to his own advice. Get in. Get rich. Get out.
Spot on. I am from Ireland and I don't know one Irish person who has any respect for this idiot...he's an embarrassment.
If it makes you feel any better, he's not an embarrassment to your country, as most people have never heard of him. This is my first time hearing about it. When I think of Ireland, I think of only a few things (as a Latin American). 1) Kicking out colonial oppressors. 2) Brave enough to have a gay Prime Minister. 3) The people voted to allow abortion and expand women's rights. 4) Nothing is spelled the way it sounds. 5) Green hills. 6) Castles. 7) Fairies and unicorns. When I think about Irish boxers, I think about Steve Collins, but I'm also old and don't follow the sport.
Load More Replies...he is a feckin wee rat and a gobshite. cant stand him, calling that black guy a monkey too, nah, im glad his wee leg went snap. pr*ck
I just wanted to say. I read your comment in an Irish accent, and I love it. I like to think I do a decent Irish accent myself. I hope to visit Ireland one day.
Load More Replies...I'll admit I was a fan of McGregor after watching his early UFC career, but my support for him stopped when he was the double champion. He held up both weight classes in favour of a boxing match with Mayweather. Not helped by his xenophobic trash talk against the champ Khabib. And of course the stuff in the mainstream did not help his image.
...soon as read this, Lance Armstrong came to mind. Cheater, cheater 🙄 How is that actually being a champion in the purest sense of the word😞
That was my first thought. Him being a boxer, it wouldn't surprise me if he got some serious brain damage and that can affect the entire personality and impulse control too. Or he's simply just an a*****e, I don't know
Load More Replies..."I worry more about the disappointment fans experience when a celebrity lets them down, it can be absolutely crushing to the point of affecting one’s mental health. That’s when it’s important to disassociate yourself from the celebrity with the realization that you never really knew the person after all," Mike warned.
"There are a few steps stars can take to deal with the pressure of fame better. First, know that it’s part of your job description, and realize the perks of fame almost always far outweigh the negative aspects of it. Second, turn to your family and friends as a support system and to keep you grounded. Third, get off social media completely. And fourth, limit or stop public appearances. Just focus on your work, and let your work speak for itself."
Probably Elon Musk. I used to think “Well, the government is doing f**k-all to advance manned space exploration, so if private investors have to do it, I guess that’s how it has to be.” He seemed like he was genuinely invested in that, too. There was a lot of good will toward him in the public eye. Then he found Twitter, and everything went to s**t pretty quickly. Now he’s just that weirdo who pushes crypto scams and pays his employees to shut up about the kids he had with them.
I mean, he still is interested in spaceflight, that's not an act. The problem is, you know, all the rest. I don't know where I heard it from but I've always repeated it that Elon Musk is like "the souls of a 14 year old 4chan edgelord and a 1900s steel conglomerate tycoon crammed together into the same body".
Elon takes credit for the work of his engineers as his own, then blames them when they cannot meet unrealistic demands. He’s a total turd wipe. I would recommend listening to the Elon Musk episode on the podcast “behind the bastards”. It’s a great podcast, very informative. The guy who created the podcast was a journalist all across the globe, even went to active war zones.
He went from claiming to be progressive to being a trumpie republican in about 1.3 seconds when his employees started talking about unionizing. He’s the worst.
It is the fact that he make people think he is the genius when in reality all he does is either take existing ideas and then recruit real geniuses to make it happen or makes wild claims that never happen or are nothing like his original claims, like the LA car tunnels. When you realise this it then becomes obvious that he was just a rich kid paying real geniuses to make him famous.
It's funny he named his company Tesla, when he is the Eddison of our time.
Load More Replies...There's that fine line between genius and madness. Elon appears to have slid into the "madness" side these days. Being a multi-billionaire tends to do that if one is not careful. Elon has developed the "I've got the money so I can do anything" mentality, which ALWAYS will slide into the "dark side."
Is "manned" space exploration that important? It's cheaper, safer, and better for science to just send robots and probes. Why is "manned" space exploration anything more than a multi-billion dollar vanity project? I'd rather spend that money on researching medicines, increasing crop yields, or fighting climate change.
Because they conduct all kinds of experiments in zero gravity. And we still need humans to be able to do those. Those experiments do help with research and scientific advancements here on Earth. Of course if you are talking about colonizing Mars, that has always been a dumb idea from the get go.
Load More Replies...I think he followed the political trends to get famous (more rich) and as he got richer he got more everything bad, self centered, god complex, trashy, jerk. Power and money just ruin people. Not to say he was great in the first place, but he was definitely somewhat better for sure.
I don’t know him personally so I honestly can’t say anything about his character, but as I see it, a lot of people were scared to death that he wanted to take over Twitter. Why? In earlier news, billionaires were taking over platforms like newspapers and no one said anything about that. But with Musk wanting to take over Twitter, the house was on fire. Why? Maybe bc he has an opinion of his own and doesn’t let others dictate how or what he is allowed to think?
Load More Replies...Imagine having enough money to save millions of lives... and refusing to do it.
He gave $5.74 billion Tesla shares to charity. 50 million to St Jude's children's research hospital and 30 million to pupil schools and non profits in South Texas.
Load More Replies...All the monkeys that bast**d experimented on died. Another animal abuser.
Amazon, for sure. About 22 years ago, it was a little known place where you could buy books online for cheaper than brick-and-mortar retail. To watch it gradually grow and transform into an economic power that makes Omni Consumer Products seem less like satire and more like a prediction... It's been interesting, to say the least. Can't say I don't love the convenience, though.
Yup, the company ethics and the way it treats workers is horrific....but.... next day delivery.... And yes, I know that makes me part of the problem.
Just don't be part of the problem. It's funny to me people continue.to support Amazon even when it's known to be a terrible terrible corporation
Load More Replies...You can't complain about Amazon in one breath, then use your next one to order stupid s**t, because it's convenient! All Amazon has done is make people lazier than the drive thru already did decades ago 🙄
Everyone seems to miss the point that Amazon has single-handedly grown an entire world of small businesses, by allowing small businesses a platform to get the word out. The way they treat their staff is a totally separate issue. I've known quite a few Amazon workers personally that really enjoy working in their warehouses and distribution centers, being that I have lived close to their facilities since they built a center in my town.
But what about the small businesses shut down by Amazon because they would not play ball. I can't remember an example, but the show Adam Ruins Everything covered it.
Load More Replies...Fortunately we have two major stores and several minor ones that specialise in books, but the major ones in everything, in SA, so we almost have zero reason to support Amazon.
Please- Unless you are willing to use other vendors for your purchases do not think you have a right to complain. Bezos will continue to thrive until people can "suffer" some small inconveniences from abandoning Amazon and hypercapitalism.
Canceled old timer Amazon prime this year. Instacart has way more products and will get it to you in an hour. I do fear Amazon buying Instacart in the future!
Instacart where I oive is absolute garbage and can't get basic groceries right even when you give them alternatives. I'm lactose intolerant and asked for dairy free yogurt, they gave me dairy yogurt instead. That's when we stopped using them.
Load More Replies...Same goes for ebay (Germany). Such an interesting place where you could find real gems for little money... Then some hackers got hold of the members' privat information (I still receive scam emails with my full name and address). Then the fakers and scammers ruined the auctions. Now it's just a boring online shop with some shitty second hand items sold for outrageous prices.
That's why I won't use it unless the item I'm after absolutely cannot be found anywhere else. Just...no.
Harry Harlow. He began his career as a young and unconventional scientist who wanted to prove that humans cannot survive without love and affection. To do so, he needed an animal that was sufficiently humanlike and easy to manage. He settled on rhesus monkeys.
Harlow's research went in a really dark direction as scholar after scholar refused to acknowledge its validity. While his first wife died a slow, painful demise from cancer, he became depressed and an alcoholic. He decided to deliberately raise monkeys from birth with as little love and affection as possible to see if they could ever recover.
They could not. Clinging to towels with wooden faces (which served as surrogate mothers), the monkeys couldn't learn about their culture or social skills. Some came out of their shells when introduced to new monkeys to befriend. To "fix" that, he invented the "pit of despair," an inverted pyramid the monkeys could not climb out of. They were depressed and pretty much became empty shells of living animals.
There's a lot of stuff I don't cover here. Some of it I just don't want to mention, but for a fairly clearheaded summary of Harlow's work, [here is a link.](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qEEEu1HEtU0)
He's just as disgusting as Pavlov who did horrific things to so many dogs to prove his theory that a dog salivates when he rings a bell. He cut hole in the poor dog's throats so he could measure their saliva. The poor dogs would eat and eat yet never receive any nourishment because all the food fell out of the holes and didn't get to their stomachs. He did unspeakable things to animals in the name of "science" to prove something that basic common sense could answer.
Load More Replies...People who hurt animal should rot in Hades. That includes all of those who leave their dogs alone in crates all day and then go to the vet whining about needing to drug your dog for “anxiety.” Seriously just screw u.
His experiments showed a baby monkey would rather go to a model that looked like a real mom (accurate feature, fur, smell, etc) then a wire monstrosity wicker-monkey that had food and water. They literally picked the one that could give them a hug over the one with nourishment. After you see that once you stop the stupid experiment and go call your mom.
Many fans put certain public figures and beloved celebrities on a pedestal. They expect them to be absolutely ‘perfect’ in everything that they do. Whenever they make a mistake or show that they’re human, some pounce on them, taking pleasure in the fact that they messed up. However, simple mistakes are nowhere near the level of stuff that the people in this list did. ‘Evil’ is a word that might spring to mind when you start learning more about them. Fame doesn’t make individuals immune from hurting others.
Though we don’t agree that heroes necessarily ‘have to’ lose their way, the Reddit thread does draw attention to the fact that it’s dangerous to idolize anyone to a huge extent. It’s incredibly difficult to tell a person’s inner thoughts, feelings, and motivations when you only know about them from the media. It’s hard to see how ‘heroic’ or ‘villainous’ they might actually be without having met them in person.
And even then, many family members and friends could still be shocked to discover how the celebs change, seemingly, overnight. Though these changes rarely happen that quickly: it’s just that, suddenly, everyone learns the truth. Their reputation quickly crumbles and fans are left with the dizzying realization that they’d been loving and praising somebody who wasn’t worthy of that love and praise. It hurts. It feels like a betrayal.
Erdogan is the perfect example. Believe it or not, when he was the mayor of Istanbul in the late 90s to early 2000s we was actually pretty progressive and had the general support of the people. Then his election to prime minister happened, he became power hungry, his policies became much more right wing and less secular and everyone hates him now.
My wife is Turkish and has no nice things to say about him. In fact it’s best not to mention his name to her.
My mum is the same regarding Margaret Thatcher
Load More Replies...Nothing new. He was jailed in the late 90s for anti-secular activities.
The west supported him in the beginning because it worked for them and now they are not happy with him so he is a bad guy! He has never changed he was the same! So this perspective actually nothing to do with being on the RIGHT or LEFT or democratic at all!
Load More Replies...Just for those interested. The weird G thing in his name is pronounced a bit like a french R, or a W, if you can't do that. It's not a normal G.
He was always on the right wing and if you did not see that coming (which we were screaming for that since the beginning!) then you all are blind or stupid!
I had the idea that he changed a lot when he realized that the desired and offered integration into the European Union was not taken serious by the European politicians. Turkya needed to do that, need to do this, change that law etc, but when the same eu politicians talked to their people the next day claiming that turkya will not be part of the eu anytime soon. But that is not an excuse for becoming such an bad Person.
Why is it as power corrupts, it corrupts to the conservative right wing?
Power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely. It has nothing to do with being right or left. You couldn’t call Stalin right leaning, but he was absolutely corrupt.
Load More Replies...I'm a full-on atheist but: Protestantism. It was intended as a reaction to the Catholic Church's excesses and corruption, contributed to people having access to their religion's central text in a language they ubderstood and wrested power from the clergy. Now there are American mega churches and rich televangelists making money hand over fist from the gullible masses, Amish and Jehovah's Witnesses shielding sexual abusers among their ranks and blaming and shunning the victims much like paedophile catholic priests are shielded by the church. This is in addition to the many attempts at theocratic states and horribly abusive societies birthed by the reformation. It was intended to be a cure for corruption and the gross accumulation of temporal power and ended up just as corrupted and power hungry. To be clear, in my opinion, all religions are dangerous and an abuser's wet dream but this is a very obvious example of a full-circle revolution.
Religions themselves aren't dangerous; the problem is when shitty people use religion as a tool to enrich themselves, prosecute others, and force their beliefs on others. And I say this as someone who has been a life-long atheist, but adopted atheistic Buddhism in my late 20s.
Look at what's happening in the US right now. Some people in power believe that America should be a god fearing country, so they try to control our lives with it. The most recent being the downfall of Roe v Wade. I fear the next move will bring America to another civil war. On one side those who want a white Christian oligarchy and the other side being modern people who want freedom of choice and freedom to control their own bodies.
Roe vs Wade was about federal protection of an issue verses states regulating themselves. The overturning in itself does not make abortion illegal. It's state enacted laws that do that.
Load More Replies...Don’t equate Protestantism with White Evangelicalism. Main stream Protestant ministers do just that - they minister to their congregation. Their congregation is the point of their church, not bilking their members out of millions of dollars. White Evangelicals are the extremists who build mega-churches and demand ‘tithes’ in ridiculous amounts that people can’t afford but give anyway for fear of being shamed; who cover up sexual abuse; and who dictate every waking moment of their congregation’s lives, including telling them who to love and how to vote. Their main message is give me money and hate those who don’t look like you, think like you, act like you, or worship like you. I understand because I was raised by White Evangelical parents.
Pretty sweeping, all-encompassing judgement. Might want to read a bit more widely.
I get what you're saying 👌 - by nature, we're fallen creatures BUT that isn't saying anything corrupt, evil, predatory, greedy and manipulative is ok. NOT AT ALL. God didn't "invent" religion in the first place. But that's a whole other topic 🕊️✌️💗
To read scripture and see what it is actually about and understanding it, is totally different to when non-Christians grasp a verse or two and builds themselves an entire religion on that premise. That isn't Christianity. That's cultism. If we all treated each other as the bible suggests we do, this world would be a much nicer place to live in.
"a woman shall not speak over a man" the bible is terrible, Jesus is chill. If we did what Jesus suggested the world would be better, if we did what the Bible suggested it'd be the Handmaid's Tale
Load More Replies.......please specify that you mean Abrahamic Religions I'm actually begging. Pagan religions are nature based 😭
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Joe Paterno
JoePa was the shining beacon of what it meant to be a college coach when I was getting inducted into college football. And then...wow.
For those that don't know.. he knowingly allowed and covered up for Jerry Sandusky. He saw with his owns eyes Sandusky molesting a 10 year old boy in the Penn State shower facilities and did nothing
I live in Pennsylvania. He is still very much loved by a certain demographic here. But that demographic is willing to forgive anything, if you win American Football matches. The Philadelphia Eagles hired Michael Vick when he was untouchable (he was arrested for running dog fights at his home in Virginia). The only truly unforgivable act in the United States for a footballer is to kneel during the anthem, everything else if fair game. Torturing dogs, beating your wife, killing someone, and molesting children are all fine. Just don't kneel during the anthem while being black. As a Brazilian, I can say we treat our footballers the same way, except we don't care about the anthem.
It's really sad how brazil as a country, loves f*****g football more than care about a man killing and cutting his wife to pieces
Load More Replies...This is profoundly inaccurate. He DID do something. He went to the appropriate authority (his supervisor) and informed them of it, then sadly and wrongly assumed THEY would take the appropriate steps to investigate. Which they didn't. He did NOT KNOWINGLY allow or cover up for Monster Sandusky.
And, he did NOT see it with his own two eyes. An assistant coach disclosed to JoePa, he took appropriate action, and understandably assumed they did their jobs, and the AC must have been mistaken, because they must not have found anything. Turns out, his leaders are the ones who dropped the ball.
Load More Replies...Dragonfly is so ,RIGHT about JoPa. He did what he was suppose to do.. Spaniards and the others did not.
And Jim Jordan, who did the very same things, is still allowed to be a US Congressman.
But one way or another, the truth is that quite a lot of people enjoy learning about the dark side of humanity. That’s the reason why the true crime genre is so popular. Psychologist Lee Chambers explained to Bored Panda during an earlier interview that “in today's safe and often sanitized world, we are rarely threatened significantly, and the ability to explore evil, frightening and gruesome entertainment is one of the few ways we can visit this part of humanity while remaining safe and comfortable.”
“There is a level of novelty to it, it removes boredom quickly, and it helps us to discover our emotional limits while understanding the minds of those who go beyond social norms and potentially gaining knowledge of how we might avoid being victims ourselves. They also offer closure, with many stories ending with the mystery being solved, and the criminal being brought to a level of justice," the expert noted why so many are absolutely fascinated by real-life stories about evil.
Jim Jones. He originally stood up for civil rights when it was really unpopular. Was hospitalized and accidentally placed in the black ward. When the doctors found out, they tried to move him, but he refused. Then he became a cult leader and used his power and influence to end the lives of a thousand people.
Yes. Although I've heard it was actually Flavor -aid.
Load More Replies...This person didn't learn enough about the life of Jim Jones. He was always a user and abusive of his parishioners. Civil rights meant nothing to him, it was just a different system of controlling people and painting himself as a savior of black people. The people who joined the People's Temple and even attended his sermons in his early years had the best of intentions, but he was always a controlling megalomaniac. Do more research, please, let's not paint him as another MLK. He was pretty much always awful.
Yup. He specifically targeted black people for his cult, playing up the brutal racism of the U.S. and painting himself as the savior and protector in order to get people under his control.
Load More Replies...Except he was never truly anti-racist. He specifically targeted black people for his cult, playing up the brutal racism of the U.S. and painting himself as the savior and protector of people of color, all in order to get people under his control.
Agree, he grew up in Indiana and pushed for racial equality there, with a desegregated church and personally getting involved in getting equal public services (like power) for black people, especially the elderly who were routinely passed over for repairs by the city. His was truly a one way trip to the dark side, taking hundreds with him
Facebook. Last 5 years it turned onto a boomer bigot wasteland
Newsflash, it’s not just boomers that are bigots, and the sooner we all realise that, the sooner we can sort our s**t out instead of blame blame blame from all sides.
I agree, but I think they meant it as there's a huge number of boomers, and bigots, not just boomer bigots.
Load More Replies...Hope the irony of your post sinks in. Deciding an entire generation are bigoted is a bigoted thing to do.
5 years??? It's been a trash fire for at least the last 10 years, probably longer.
If you think about it, has it ever been good? Like really? The only thing I remember being excited about is how much Facebook friends you could gather. The only thing making Facebook cool is that everybody was on it, that's literally it.
Load More Replies...If bigots are showing up on your feed it's because you befriended them.
No. Most Facebook users follow pages that enable comments, and a large number of those comments are from bigots. You do not have to have bigoted friends to see bigoted people in your feed.
Load More Replies...Something like that happened to news page in my country. Forum became pinnacle of bigotry, homophobia and ignorance. And users are acting like they're proud of it.
Sounds like Faux News comment section.
Load More Replies...Facebook is a wasteland were people devolve. And all other social media.
Subway’s Jared Fogle. A formerly fat guy who lost weight by chasing kids. He started and ended his career the same way - getting into smaller pants.
The tone of this one is a bit too glib for me. The guy went from respected everyman to a disturbing predator. Not sure why the jokes are needed.
cause sometimes humor helps us get over really disturbing stuff.
Load More Replies..."It can take us on an emotional rollercoaster, have us trying to solve the puzzle and test our fear in a controlled way. The permission to explore evil is powerful, as we so rarely get the chance elsewhere, and in itself, it is healthy and normal in moderation," the psychologist told us, adding that some people find this ‘comforting’ because the evil they see or read about is happening to someone else, not them.
"The challenge we face is the fact that consuming too much of this can desensitize us, and cause us to become less empathetic to the suffering of others, more fearful of our own environment, and potentially be more likely to use aggression ourselves. It can also cause us to be triggered by our own previous adverse experiences, make it harder to manage our own emotional balance, and increase our stress levels, so moderating our consumption is something we should have front of mind, even when we get embroiled in the latest series that is pulling us in,” he warned that moderation is key when consuming stories about real-life evil.
My parents used to tell me about how I should be careful with strangers, and steer clear of anything on the net, because it's 'fake news and stuff designed to make you do bad things'. In the last 1 2 years my mom has been sending me links about cancers, diseases, and all types of news coming from tabloid, and tells me that if it's on the net it must be true.
Proves how easy it is to get sucked into that mess.... Doesn't justify it though
We always think "only stupid people fall for these scams/fake science, etc." But that's not always true - all they need is a crack in their mental defense, to take hold. Even people, we consider smart, can fall victim to this. My best advice - try to find more sources of the same information, check WHO made the claim.
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O.J. Simpson
9out of the 12 jurors admitted they voted not guilty just to get back at the city of LA for the Rodney King beating. Hes 100% guilty
Without that, not guilty was still the legally correct verdict. LAPD made so many errors in evidence collection, storage and chain of custody that "reasonable doubt" was hard to escape. His legal team was also strategically brilliant. The fought against a change of venue from racially diverse LA to predominantly white Orange County and refused to waive his right to a speedy trial. That denied the prosecution time enough to find ways to get around all the LAPD's fuckery.
Load More Replies...Hahaha! I was thinking of that song. Too funny.
Load More Replies...He was a football player and actor. In the early 90s, he allegedly, but very most likely, killed his wife and a waiter. He was found not guilty. He later worked on a book called "If I Did It," about how he would have committed the murders. In 2008, he was charged with armed robbery and kidnapping over some sports memorabilia that he claimed was stolen from him. He was in prison for that until he was paroled in 2017.
Load More Replies...Totally possible but it can't be diagnosed until after death.
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Henry Heimlich, inventor of the Heimlich Maneuver, made up a bunch of untested uses for it (treating people having asthma attacks, and drowning victims were the two I remember) that he publicly talked up. Later, he funded an experiment that involved injecting people with Malaria to see if it would treat other conditions. The experiment was found to be unethical by American review boards, so he conducted them in Ethiopia.
The Heimlich maneuver is so effective it has not been changed since it’s discovery FYI. Damn villain ending! Sad.
Not true, in 2006 it was downgraded if the victim is conscious and replaced with the term "abdominal thrust" in many first aid courses.
Load More Replies...To be fair.... it was found that infecting syphillis patients with malaria killed the syphillis bacteria, and medications were available to then treat the malaria. IDK if that was Heimlich though.
As far as I'm aware that was earlier than Heimlich
Load More Replies...Ethiopia is a place where getting Malaria is pretty common anyway so he probably reckoned that the potential overall benefits could outweigh the harm. Not considered ethical by conventional standards but not necessarily evil intent.
Hi, Read it again. Same doctor, different sentence. The guy who invented the maneuver, also did….
Load More Replies...The current mexican president. He ran for the presidency 3 straight times on a no-corruption, atheist, liberal, feminist, leftist platform, once he finally won the election and 4 years into his presidency it’s clear he’s not just an evangelical conservative but he may be the most corrupt mexican president ever (and that’s quite an accomplishment in Mexico!) openly working for the Sinaloa Cartel and turning his back on the minorities that got him elected and openly mocking the victims of Mexico's rampant gender violence.
As a Mexican, I can say this is on the voters themselves. One must be quite naive to believe in all the BS this guy was promising in campaign. A big part of his success in the 2018 elections was due to the "I want to believe" herd, and another bif chunk was due to young people who didn't know him but thought he was sincere..
But can we really blame them for believing him? The media doesn't help and are usually bought out. Not everyone is educated enough to fully understand and can get defensive. It is only when the mask is off do they realize what has happened. We see it all the time...the sad thing is how some ppl still remain blind to the truth even after they've removed their masks.
Load More Replies...For posterity, he's talking about Andrés Manuel López Obrador. Just in case somebody sees this post 10 years from now
Simply being human. It's impossible to run for any political office without being corrupted. I'm sorry but it is true. There are just way too many people and corporations (and cartels) who are willing to make you a multi-millionaire/billionaire if you simply behave a certain way. This happens in EVERY level of government. The human heart has never changed, and it never will. I have watched really good people become corrupt when they have won an election. The temptations are just too great.
No, there are still people who value principle over power and money. No doubt many good ones have succumbed, but it is not inevitable. Support the good ones who get relentlessly attacked by the others for silly reasons that don't hold up to scrutiny. There is a reason they are the most viciously attacked. The corrupt don't want to play with them because they don't play the game. Look for them - they're there.
Load More Replies...One can claim to be Conservative and an evangelical but just as Jesus said "ye shall know them by their fruits".
I like Vincente Fox, and i'm Dutch. I constantly ROFL whenever he gets under Trump's skin.
I met him once, when I was working for the Mexican Ministry of Education. I did a presentation for him when he was president. When I say "I did a presentation" I mean that I was part of a team that did a presentation, wherein I said not one word because I wasn't important enough, but since it was the project I designed I was allowed to attend.
Load More Replies...Don't forget about his messianic behavior and overwhelming ignorance!
He ran for president three times and did WHAT during those years he wasn't president? Exactly. He didn't walk the street and hand out condoms and Olmec histories.
With a background like that, where would he have picked up human values?
Fred Phelps of the Westboro Baptist Church started out as an attorney defending civil rights.
Would be helpful if this told us what he'd done that's so wrong, since I have no idea who this is.
Fred Phelps founded the hate group called Westboro Baptist Church. Homophobic pickets, hate speech against atheists, Jews, Muslims, transgender people and also conducting anti-gay protests at military funerals. It got a bit unreal when they declared 'God hates Sweden!' https://satwcomic.com/god-hates-sweden
Load More Replies...If you haven't seen it, on YouTube there's a video of members of Foo Fighters trolling them at one of their horrible protests. It's amazing. They are the worst of the worst.
https://youtu.be/EWSeDYTHtiQ Had to look that up. Awesome
Load More Replies...About 14 years ago after years of severe narcissistic abuse by a sibling and their now ex-spouse, I did a deep dive whereupon I learned about Narcissism and NPD. 😳 That info was the key that unlocked their lunacy. During that learning curve, I encountered an essay about the late Fred...yikes, he was a real piece of work 💔he was the devil's henchman, definitely not a man of God.
WHAT THE ACTUAL F**K?? I have not heard this before, that's fascinating. What an enormously drastic 180
Philippe Petain. In WW1 he led the French to victory at Verdun, one of the worst battles in human history. In WW2, after France was beaten, Petain was the head of state of Vichy France. Guy went from the Lion of Verdun to the biggest Nazi collaborator in France.
It's one thing leading a nation that has had to surrender, to save civilian lives, that's fine. Against the Nazi war machine at the time France could do nothing else. But it's another thing to willing give up tens of thousands of your citizens to be gassed.
That's also on the French people. They rounded up their fellow Frenchmen if they were Jewish and helped send them to the death camps.
Load More Replies...Leading the French to victory at Verdun meant that because of him, thousands of people were slaughtered. He never was a hero. He always has been a war criminal. Vilain since the begining.
If he did not save them at Verdun countless more innocent civilians would be killed by the germans. Stop pushing your France bad Germonie good narrative
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Netflix was once THE streaming service. Always had something to watch and the price was worth it.
But now, most of those shows and movies are gone, some of them long before things like Disney+ and other network streaming services came about. It got to the point where it was a joke to say "you wanna watch it? Then it's not on Netflix" or something along those lines.
Additionally, Netflix once put out a tweet about how "love is sharing your login" but is now charging extra for every additional party using an account. The price for a subscription has also gone up substantially, to the point where there were times my family considered dropping the subscription entirely.
Netflix, how far you've fallen...
This is more or less everything on the internet ever. Start with a good idea and run it at a loss to get people into it it. Start running it for profit and destroy the service people were going for
Just like Pinterest! Used to love that site until they turned it into 30% ads!
Load More Replies...It's not Netflix fault that they lose the licenses for other companies shows and movies
Exactly. Netflix benefited from being a first mover and an early adopter of streaming. It was inevitable that eventually the content owners like Disney, Sony, Paramount and other studios would realize that anybody could do that and that they were giving away their catalogs to Netflix for practically nothing.
Load More Replies...I think this person is too young to remember that Netflix started out and became known as a DVD rental service via mail. Which it has a subsidiary that still does so. It created a market for DVDs in areas without stores. Then Blockbuster moved into the market and Netflix created the streaming service market. That it spun off into producing content doesn’t seem like it’s defining quality at any point in history to me. But I’m old. I’d say it was the innovator of means of distribution and nothing can take that away. As far as original content goes, I honestly haven’t noticed it being any less present or not.
The DVDs were usually damaged when we got them. I was so happy when they started streaming. We were streaming stuff for "free" before and Warner bros threatened our inter net provider, which in turn threatened to cut off our internet. No other providers in our tiny town, so yah. Deffinatly glad when Netflix provided a legal option.
Load More Replies...I still find plenty of good things to watch. They replaced what they lost with brilliant Netflix originals. I have a bunch of streaming services, most of them actually, but Netflix stays a staple. My only complaint is they are talking about crunching down on password sharing. But, they haven't yet so I'm not too worried.
This one is more on the other streaming platforms in my opinion. Netflix was great, gave people what we always wanted. A convenient place to watch all our media without commercials at a reasonable price. Then everyone else wanted a piece of the action and pull their content from Netflix to start their own service. Disney, Hulu, HBO, Paramount, Stars, Apple, Discovery, Amazon, Peacock, Showtime. The list goes on and on now. Consumers ran away from cable TV because these companies destroyed its original promise and instead of learning from that they decided to turn streaming into the thing we all just ran away from. It's going to be this way until a new technology gives us another option (whatever that may look like) then it's going to be rinse and repeat.
I dropped my Netflix membership. The fees just keep going up, up, up, up. I'm done.
Netflix used to be the game in town. Then they got competition for viewers and for the right to stream things. Free enterprise.
I ditched it when they raised prices the time before the last, plus their shows suck anyways
When the BBC stuff started disappearing off it I just left. QI and Doctor Who were brilliant.
Not sure where you are, but I have one word for you, Britbox. Here in Canada, it has become our got-to British streaming service. Crackerjack! And, frankly, we get much more for our buck with Amazon Prime Video than Netflix ever offered us.
Load More Replies...Ghandi
Thank you!!! Now let’s hear from the Gandhi apologists who only know the Ben Kingsley interpretation of the man.
Load More Replies...Ghandi believed "menstruation was a manifestation of the distortion of a woman's soul by her sexuality;" argued that women should be responsible for sexual assaults carried out upon them; contended that fathers are justified in killing daughters that have been sexually assaulted in order to preserve family honor; labelled women who used contraceptives as whores; and once chopped off the hair of two female followers who were being harassed so that the perpetrators would stop. Just to name a few of the ways he was terrible to women. He was sexist prick
Haha well Ghandi did write in a letter that he was a friend to Hitler 🙈
Gandhi (this is the correct spelling) did what he could do and was successful in forcing Great Britain to let India go. Unfortunately, some of the things such as religious differences in India could not be fixed and he, himself had karma that made it apparent that he was not perfect.
Ghandi is sort of the reverse of this. He started out as an A hole then became this heroic figure (but still remained an A hole).
Blizzard Entertainment (now Activision/Blizzard) Used to be the darlings of the PC world with everything they creating being solid gold classics on launch Now nothing but recycled trash, cash grabs, micro transactions, and sexual assault scandals How the mighty have fallen
The rot set in after Blizzard were bought out by Activision. You only have to see what a mouth breathing, bottom feeder POS Bobby Kotick is to see where all that came from.
Bobby kotick has the fakest smile and most soulless eyes ive ever seen. That man is evil.
I only deal with Blizzard so that I can play StarCraft II. Sometimes I wonder how such a masterpiece of a game came from a company that has now turned completely foul.
World of warcraft. I played it for many years from when the first expansion came out. Last few expansions have been horrible and the changes sucked. So much so that I'd pre ordered Shadowlands then more info about it came out and it was so bad that I cancelled my order and gave away my gaming computer because I'm definitely never going to play their games again because they've lost the plot.
The last few expansions have been 'horrible', yet you pre-ordered Shadowlands, and before a lot of the information was released? Can't blame Blizzard for that dumb move. Yeah Dreanor was a bit naff, but Legion was fantastic, and BfA was such a big part of the story. I leaned towards Classic when that was released, so I don't have an opionion on Shadowlands. I'f love to know what you mean by losing the plot. Ironicall, they past few expansions have only enhanced and improved the plot.
Load More Replies...Not to mention the blatant ignoring of abusive and toxic players, the consistent asshattery of Ion ( will never know how this guy still works there) and the constant grinding for little or no reward
R Kelly. Grew up with The Worlds Greatest, Ignition, Ignition (remix), plus other songs. We all voted for The Worlds Greatest to be our graduation song in ‘07. Then we find out he’s minor league Jeffery Epstein.
How could anyone not know what R Kelley was up to before 07? The pee tape came out in 2002 and he had several accusations against him before that. He also married a 15 year old in the mid 90s. The guy was always scum and it's not some secret that just came out a couple years ago, this stuff was being reported in the 90s. It's always been public knowledge, it's just that a lot of the public chose to ignore it apparently.
They did know. It was laughed off R. Kelly was so loved it was ignored.
Load More Replies...For my (older) generation, we have the same issue with Rolf Harris, Gary Glitter and Jimmy Savile. If only social media had been around in the 1970s.
I remember hearing the (then) rumours about him and Aaliyah... and I thought "That sounds extremely NOT right... or normal... or decent.." the moment I asked ANYONE though... wow... the HATE, the RIDICULE.. .the "You're stupid, how could you believe something like that?" and then getting basically shut out and shut down from pretty much all my peers when I asked "And how does him making good-sounding songs eliminate the possibility that he's a creepy, dangerous pedo???"
The company apple
I remember Apple in the late 80s, early 90s when everything was opensource and they were all about collaboration and being quirky. Now they are just a cult who have convinced people to use overpriced devices/services
When was Apple 'good, turned bad'? It was either always a company, out there to make money, or still good :D.
I used to love Apple, but when my iPhone battery would go to s**t after a year every time, I started rethinking. You get trapped I'm an Apple universe where nothing is compatible unless it's also Apple, and you have to constantly buy new items to use anything the way you used to before a new model was released. Now, my Samsung is still a boss after 2 years, and compatibility is maintained.
What on earth were you doing to your batteries? Mine never quit on me like that, they go ticking for years and years.
Load More Replies...My problem with Apple is they started with the mantra "It's all about the customer, it's all about freedom. it's all about making sure things worked 100% before selling it the customer, it's all about not being an uncaring mega company like Microsoft. it's all about privacy." Then they made money with the iPod. Now they are the complete opposite of all of those and hypocrites. Can't believe they still preach about customer privacy and then admitted earlier this year that they look at every bodies stored photos!
Don’t even get me started on these crooks. So overpriced, but happy to see they are getting a run of competitors - google and hopefully Samsung will run their process into the ground.
Kevin Spacey
Other way around too. No matter how great an actor is, he's a terrible human being.
Load More Replies...His deciding to finally come out and confirm his sexuality during these accusations wasn't cool either.
DAMNIT I was mad about the Spacey thing... I mean... back in the day, watched Se7en, then The Usual Suspects and was thinking "This guy is awesome. So talented... and he is so successful despite not being some young-popstar-looking-twenty-something." Jackhole.
[Specialist John "Stebby" Stebbins](http://www.crimemagazine.com/war-hero-who-became-child-rapist) portrayed in *Black Hawk Down* by Ewan MacGregor. Dude was a desk jockey in the US Army Rangers, deployed to Mogadishu in an administrative capacity. For one reason or another was pulled from his cushy position to fight on the ground with infantry and became a total natural, going berserk on the enemy and receiving commendations from numerous squadmates. Dude was nothing short of heroic in a nightmare scenario. Years later he was court marshalled and sentenced to several years in prison. He'd raped his daughter, a toddler. Total fall from grace if I ever saw one.
Who would've thought a "natural" at killing the "right" people could be a person capable of child rape. "Oh you're a fantastic murderer and you're proud of it and we're proud of you! You couldn't possibly be f****d up in the head especially after killing a bunch of people"
Doesn't matter how many people you kill when it comes to pedophilia. Pedophilia is a totally different issue. He was obviously a pedophile before this situation. I mean - I just can't . . . your own tiny daughter? Just what . . . why didn't the child's mother kill him? I would have.
Load More Replies...Soo he was really great at being a brutal killer, and it's a fall from grace to learn he was also brutal to his family?? War hero worship is sick.
Hmm.. mAYbE.... there is something a bit questionable about glorifying and nearly deifying someone *solely* because "ooh, they kill real good"... just a thought...
I had a longtime coworker that I earnestly thought was a great guy. Extremely funny, super charismatic, generally kind. Nice shoulder to lean on, exceptionally conversationalist. I absolutely thought he was one of the best people I had ever met, and did for several years. At the start of a shift, I found out from a girl that had dated him that he was physically and verbally abusive. He had dated several coworkers and multiple coworkers came out and said that it was something that had happened with multiple women, all of whom were scared to speak up about it because they didn't think anyone would believe that *he* of all people was a domestic abuser. I spent the rest of the shift nauseous and sick, unable to focus on work at all. On one hand it felt like a betrayal, and on the other I felt selfish as f**k for putting myself in any sort of "victimhood" in such a situation when there were genuine victims of his assault. I didn't really know what to do or say and at one point was walking by multiple coworkers, himself included. Just kept my head down and tried to walk by, but one of my coworkers called me back. Turns out, they were roasting the f**k out of him because he had just admitted to being a flat earther. I absolutely deflated, because his intelligence had been one of the things I really admired about him. In the course of a single shift, I found out one of the smartest and kindest people I knew was a physically abusive flat earther. He never faced any repercussions for his actions to my knowledge. I quit a couple weeks later, every shift was miserable after that.
That is really sad. But most abusers are extremely good at hiding the monster in them until they are alone with their victim(s). It's so wild how ppl can be a jekyll and hyde like that.
I understand! I thought of my sister's husband as a little brother. We were close. But he was beating her in secret. He then started showing his true colors: sexist, racist and a liar and animal killer. I wish I'd found out before he murdered my precious dog! Luckily he's her ex now, but a few months ago the police called me at midnight because he had thrown my young nephew down a flight of stairs. He's trash.
Load More Replies...My dad used to work with a guy who he thought was a great guy, a good family man, etc. He'd offered to babysit my sisters and I and if he'd lived closer my dad would've let him. After the guy's wife caught him with their daughter and they took a DNA sample when he was arrested they discovered he was a serial rapist of women and little girls. Be careful who you trust!!
Yeah, been there. Guy was a sweetheart, seemed to adore his kind of ditzy wife (but we loved her too), quick with a joke, smart, etc. Long story short, she gets pregnant and they need a place to live before their next place is ready (about a month), so I offered to help. They weren't there 24 hours before I saw the real John (not his name), a POS that treated his wife like a slave. It all ended in tears when he literally kicked her in her pregnant a*s and she landed facedown on my bed. This was right after he bounced the back of her head off my wall. To the sounds of my screaming at him, he left, she begged me not to call the cops, and they quietly left never to be seen again. Broke my damn heart.
I'm very concious and wary of very charismatic people. They have a huge potential for controling others.
Being charismatic is a massive red flag for me. So many abusers are charismatic & most people never see through the facade. It's scary just how different they can be behind closed doors.
Armie Hammer is another one. 😳 Yes, Jekyll & Hyde...I'm actually now wary about charming and seemingly intelligent folks. I quietly assess when first meeting others but I am personable and gone are the days where I don't rely as much on solid judgement and strong intuitive feedback. "Trust but verify"
It's scary how well abusive men can fool the men around them into thinking they're fine. Sometimes it takes a woman's perspective - and someone believing it - to find out the truth.
a friend of a friend was dating a guy like this. I thought he was really nice but then I heard a lot of terrible things about the way he treated her. She struggled to tell anyone and I still don't know If she has left the relationship. (I did put my snitch skills to use and told someone I thought could help) long story short it is so awful and uncomfortable to be around someone like that and I also couldn't confront him because I have a much smaller frame than him.
Roasting him implies it was untrue or exaggerated. So was he abusive and a flat earther or just the Flat Earther?
I can understand the OPs feelings of deflation, betrayal and disappointment... and although I know it's been said - I'll repeat one more time... not your fault. You may perceive that you put yourself in a selfish, victimhood situation... HOWEVER... it's not your fault... abusers are, like Lene (commenter, likely waaay above me) said are EXCEPTIONAL specialists and fooling others. I can't even COUNT the number of times **I** was (and sometimes still am) lectured, scolded and shamed for being 'distant' to a parent.... a Narcissistic parent who has repeatedly abused and manipulated me all my life... but oohhh so charming and funny and sweet as pie to everyone else... how could this person EVER have done you wrong? It must be you. YOU must be the jackhole. That's how it goes and that's how they set it up. It's not you. Even though I logically know it's true and ALL the evidence is there, I STILL feel like it's my fault ... so the guilt is real, but it's unwarranted.
Richard Nixon. Won the 1972 election by a landslide, with only Minnesota and DC voting for McGovern, on the back of a strong economy. Two years later resigns in disgrace over Watergate, in the midst of stagflation, and his reputation has never been rehabilitated.
Richard Nixon NEVER WAS a good guy. He built his national career with McCarthyism witch hunt. Always has been vile.
Nixon never had any kind of moral center. Absolutely everything he did and said was because he thought that it would be politically expeditious. He was Tricky D**k right from the start.
I think Bill Clinton learned from Nixons' playbook, he is just greasy enough to not get caught.
Load More Replies...Massachusetts, not Minnesota... There used to be bumper stickers that said "Don't Blame Me, I'm From Massachusetts"
"Well you know that when the president does it that means. it's not illegal" - interview with David Frost. Guess who was listening.
And his administration is the 1 that introduced HMO health plans & why we don't have universal healthcare.
Nixon literally proposed a universal Healthcare plan that was rejected by the democrat retards in congress who wanted him to resign over Watergate. That was all that could be proposed. Read a book
Load More Replies...Things go back to his VP time in the 50's - seems like he was involved in getting us into Vietnam and the Bay of Pigs debacle amongst other stuff..
Most of Eisenhower's accomplishments were Nixon's. If you're going to blame anyone for the state of Vietnam, blame McNamara. Dipshit
Load More Replies...Um no not really. He expanded the war into neighbouring countries and only withdrew when the Northern Vietnam Army were basically at the gates of the capital
Load More Replies...I feel like mine has to be Elon Musk. He seemed like he was this good guy and now he is just an asshat
Every organ until it gets cancer
Doesn't even have to be an organ. Got a lymphoma diagnosis a few months back, specifically *don't* have cancer in organs, just the lymph nodes.
I wish you the best of luck during treatment, and I hope you have loving support around you.
Load More Replies...As a survivor of low-grade childhood brain cancer for 9 years this month: yep.
English engineer and writer [James P. Hogan.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/James_P._Hogan_(writer)) He wrote several really solid Sci-fi books that were hugely influential to me when I was growing up, and then towards the end of his life he became a Holocaust/AIDS/climate change denier.
How can you be an AIDS denier? I mean, realistically, how can you deny any of the 3, but I've never heard of denying AIDS.
There are flat earthers. if that can be believed then AIDS can be denied
Load More Replies...I truly can't grasp denying The Holocaust 😳 Honestly, there has to be serious cognitive impairment to willfully shun the evidence!! Including many survivors still alive!
I actually knew him a bit. About 25 years ago, I began to work as a translator. My first assignment was Hogan's trilogy: Inherit the Stars, Gentle Giants of Ganymede, and Giants' Star. I had problem with the last one because a part of the plot includes a clue hidden in a crossword - that's hard to translate, especially when you're starting out. I wrote to him and asked if I can change a few things. Also, his explanation of gravity contained an error and I suggested an improvement to the sci-fi theory. He wrote back and we reached an understanding. He was apparently going through a divorce at that time, but he still helped me. But I never translated another one of his books, and years later, I randomly discovered he died - the first of "my" authors to do so.
Benedict Arnold. Almost died during the revolutionary war, if I recall correctly, and if he had he would have been remembered a huge hero, and a martyr. Instead he lived and changed sides, and is remembered only for his being a traitor.
He wouldn't have been remembered a hero. The United Stated military guys didn't like him, they left him out of any accolades, and he basically switched sides because they treated him like c**p.
Saved the day for the Continental Army at Saratoga, memorialized by a statue of a boot, without his name, because he later got his feelings hurt because other generals were given the jobs he wanted. Even the British didn't trust him.
It's a little bit more complex than that. Arnold thought (rightly or wrongly) that other, less able men, were being promoted ahead of him because of political connections that he lacked. ____ He was also charged over some financial irregularities, for which he was acquitted. ___ Also he was in debt for what he saw as legitimate military expenses he had paid out of his own pocket, but for which Congress refused to reimburse him. ___ He was convinced that both the charges and Congress's refusals were politically motivated retaliation for his complaining about the promotions.
Load More Replies...Sorry to bring logic to the discussion, but just for the record, he obviously isn't "remembered only for his being a traitor", or by definition he wouldn't be on this list. There are/were thousands of traitors who aren't known or remembered even for that.
You misspelled "Loyalist". Arnold was only pretending to be a traitor, but he remained loyal to the Crown.
He was a Revolutionary at first, and genuinely tried to gain fame by fighting for America. When he wasn’t recognized and felt cheated, that’s when he became a Loyalist. I learned about Arnold every year in school, and it was made pretty clear about that fact. Also, “traitor” isn’t a good word to use here, as that’s only the British point of view. “Revolutionary” is accurate for all points of view. Since that’s the world you used, it makes me think that you might be a bit salty you lost that war.
Load More Replies...Neil Degrasse Tyson. Though he became less of a "villain" and more "buzzkill". At first he seemed like the next Carl Sagan, celebrating the wonders of science and the universe. But somewhere along the line he turned into this smug, pseudo-nihilistic wet blanket who poo-pooed on anyone getting excited over solar eclipses and stuff. As someone who grew out of that mentality back in middle school, it's honestly kind of embarrassing to witness the same attitude being showcased by an actual astrophysicist who's old enough to be my dad.
If he doesn't think solar eclipses are awe inspiring, he can go p**s up a rope. If you haven't experienced one, it's like the world stops for a moment. Animals stop making noise...bugs, and birds fall silent. Even people stop and get quiet. Not gonna lie, I had an emotional response that I still can't name other than being in awe.
Same here. I would keep trying to reimagine what I saw and it would give me goosebumps. It was so surreal. Can’t wait for the next one near me. April 2024 in Niagara Falls!
Load More Replies...There have also been multiple sexual harassment allegations against him.
I love the guy for what he tried to do, but he's become a broken record and a snobby one at that. The difference between him and Sagan is that Sagan never stopped doing science. Even as an entertainer, his primary focus was on what he was doing behind the scenes with NASA and activism and so forth. Tyson drifted away from the science and more into celebrity, which really altered the value of his content.
I once got into a brief argument with Neil Degrasse Tyson when I heard him make the statement that “Zero is the same as nothing because it has no numerical value.” I tried to convince him he was wrong. At one point in the discussion he said “Well, I have a PhD in astrophysics, so I should know.” I countered that with “Well, I know how to count, so I should know.” (By the way, the numerical value of zero is zero. You can find it on a number line at the zero position).
From my very limited understanding, zero has or does not have numerical value depending on the academic subject. It is different in some different types of math too. So both not wrong
Load More Replies...Luckily we've still got Phil Plait, Michio Kaku, Becky Smethurst, and many other great science communicators. They're mostly not as famous as Tyson, but they do good work.
I do not know what story you are referencing with this. But Neil is definitely still doing a lot of good work. I'd hardly say he's had a fall. I kind of find it hard to believe that he would say solar eclipses are subjectively not awe inspiring to individuals.
Totally agree. He may be an astrophysicist, but he doesn't do astrophysics. As I understand it, he runs a museum and writes/lectures about science.
My dad used to annoy me by calling my Pokemon cards "Pokey-Mans". Now my kids have them and I do the same thing and it annoys the s**t out of them.
Hahaha. That's just called "being a dad" (or parent). My mom used to say Hows your bunga everytime the Ninja turtles say "cowabunga". Now I see the humor in it
Ugh. reminds me of the coworkers who thought it'd be hilarious to ALWAYS mispronounce names of Asian places... for a LONG time I couldn't figure out where the 1998 Olympics were supposed to be held (meaning... this happened before 1998...).. because this guy kept saying "Hey, can you spell NOG-unno for me? Yeah, you know... where the Olympics are going to be.. in japan" I'm like "Nog..? Nog what? " my brain goes straight to eggnog... THEN I **SEE** the name of the city... and I'm like... "you twit. It's Nah-GA-noh"... nope... it was NOG city forever... and ever... Like.. this isn't a case of they can't 'hear' the correct sound because of nuances in language... it's just being kind of a jerk (I'm Asian btw. Actually Chinese, but like this guy cared. I have an Asian face, I must know "ALL the Asian places")
Chris Benoit
This was terrible to see. I was a huge pro wrestling fan back in the day. To my knowledge, Benoit was actually a great person until he suddenly wasn't. That 'suddenly wasn't,' though, carried a hell of a consequence. It's actually kind of amazing how people with severe CTE act very similarly. When your job is basically to pound your brain in every night, who knows what will happen? Just look at all the NFL guys who have similar issues, i.e. Steve McNair. I feel bad for everyone involved, which includes Benoit himself. I don't think he even had the ability to reason anymore. Steroids didn't help, but I think they only expedited things.
This was way tragic. He was a great athlete. Glad to see the sport get safer in recent recent years, as much as the means in a sport where giant men are jumping on each other every night.
I stopped watching wrestling after that happened. Yes, it's tragic what happened to him, but he did murder his whole family. Then the fact that it was swept under the rug like nothing happened. Like yeah, we'll just pretend he didn't exist. I still find memorabilia from that era where they literally put a sticker over his name.
I also stopped watching wrestling after this happened. I was a HUGE Chris Benoit, Eddie Guerrero and Batista fan and I remember they had a sweet memorial for him. Then the next day I tried to buy some Chris Benoit memorabilia and I could be wrong, but I think it came out later what he had done and every trace of him was erased from the WWE website. Then my heart broke further realizing what he did and I couldn't keep watching Raw and Smackdown.
Load More Replies...Yeah, that inclusion was jarring considering he was shot multiple times by his mistress.
Load More Replies...Sorry, anyone want to explain who this guy is and what happened to him?
Chris Benoit was a wrestler who, as said ebove, eventually got brain damaged in a number of ways. At a time where the company was not exactly supportive or sensitive about such matters. He apparently/allegedly murdered his wife and one of his kids before hanging himself.
Load More Replies...Should we count this as "hero-to-villain"? CTE is a type of brain damage, as far as I know, so he should be more of a victim of the industry, than a villain.
This list should include John Cena, who supports China's intentions to invade Taiwan.
I know what he did, also I know the loss of Eddie Guerrero probably weighed much heavier on him after that. While I won't excuse his crime, I'd like to remember him as the guy who wasn't a one-hit-wonder World Heavyweight Champion. Take that for how you will...
This broke my heart. It was so completely random, and nobody believed that he would do something like that. But that was before CTE really exploded into the public consciousness.
This still breaks my heart! So sad and such a waste of an amazing legacy! I still have hopes that someday he'll get his hall of fame place that he richly deserves.
I'm not a wrestling fan, so I only know his story from the accounts of him after his death. This poor guy wasn't a villain, he was a victim, as was his poor family.
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Phoenix Jones, that superhero from Seattle. Saved some people over the years then eventually was caught by an undercover cop selling MDMA.
There's fledging research showing that it helps with trauma recovery (specifically PTSD), and if we could get over this ridiculous war on drugs we might find out how useful it could be
Load More Replies...That costume looks like an off the shoulder, cleavage showing evening dress accessorised with long gloves.
Tony Blair. He was such a popular figure at one point. But it went so badly for him!
He was a refreshing change from the Tories but taking us into Iraq without the proper equipment really was his downfall.
Yeah that and the 150 to 200 thousand people who died due to the illegal invasion of Iraq. He will have their blood on his hands for ever.
Load More Replies...He introduced some good stuff like the minimum wage and sure start, but failed to undo the Tory economic policies which caused the 2008 crash in the UK, or to build social housing or reform the UK election system which allows parties <45 % of the vote (probably even less, but but I think voter turnout is low because in many constituencies it probably won't make a difference ) to have 100% of the power.
Frankly…when was the last time we had a PM in the UK who didn’t fail? But yeah, Blair was bad - not as embarrassing as Boris though.
...he turned the Labour Party into a 'brand'. lied, cheated, stole and grinned his way through the whole thing. a shambles that emerged from so much promise.
I thought he was going to be a saviour of how my country was at that time but instead he turned out to be a greedy self serving war criminal.
If people understood economic policy and how long the impact of some decisions last they'd realise that the rot started with Margaret Thatcher. Blair DID do some good - Good Friday Agreement for one thing. Iraq was terrible, not going to deny that. As for what the Tories always do to the NHS...
Load More Replies...Linus Pauling is an intresting one. He was one of the greatest scientists of the 20th century - won the Nobel Prize twice. Later in life he went off the deep end and became convinced that Vitamin C could cure cancer and maje him immortal - an idea that lives on in various forms today.
Making an incorrect hypothesis and working to test it out does not make you a bad person or "off the deep end".
Uh, sorry, am I missing something? The post doesn't say he won the "Nobel Peace Prize twice". It says he won the "Nobel Prize twice", which (as the reply details) he did...? EDIT: I should add, IMHO his advocating/researching Vitamin C benefits doesn't quite qualify as "villainous", especially since, as I recall, he wasn't strictly against all other medical treatments, surgeries, etc. I just remember it being more about a hopeful alternative than science-denying, hydrochloroquine-ivermectin-level evangelism. But his hope/research for broad medical use of course brought him plenty of quackery ridicule.
Load More Replies...This is the worst thing bored panda has ever put out. This is a big pile of judgmental s**t!
Well, he is technically immortal in our collective memory, for bad reasons, but still.
Any famous scientist who starts thinking they're god's gift to intelligence and spouting s**t about topics they didn't study. Neil DeGrasse Tyson is a talented physicist and astronomer. Nothing else. I've literally seen him ranting about medieval history on Twitter and blatantly getting details wrong.
Working in resturant kitchens. You either burn out young, or become the boss that everyone hates. (There's exceptions, but that's the rule.
I worked in restaurants from high school to my mid to late 20’s and then became an EMT. As an EMT, I have dealt with less stress and less overall soul sucking days than I did in restaurants
For me, Dennis Miller. He was my favorite comedian in the 80s and 90s. I watched *Dennis Miller Live* on HBO religiously and I listened to *The Off-White Album* so many times I could quote it front to back from memory. He came off as a "progressive centrist" who by today's standards would seem like a leftist comedian even though he had some definite right-leaning views. (He was famously pro-death penalty, for example.) I didn't agree with his every stance but he always came off as educated, funny, and reasonable, with a dry and cynical wit that I plugged into immediately and honestly informed my own sense of humor a lot. Then 9/11 happened and he went f*****g insane. Went immediately into the right-wing grift circuit, where he's been ever since, and took all of his old material out of print. He's utterly insufferable now. ETA: I remember a really pathetic instance of this back around 2010 I think? where I was googling to see if I could find a copy of Off-White and got steered to a video clip of his right-wing radio show where a caller was asking about his "old commie material" and he disavowed it vehemently, claiming "I don't even remember a single one of those jokes". Just a few months later he was trying to stage some kind of comeback and got a spot on Leno. After a minute or two of his right-wing b******t not getting one single laugh, he panicked and launched into some of his best bits from Off-White, a 20+-year-old album of jokes he "didn't even remember", and it absolutely *killed* the room. And you could see on his face in real time just how much it grated on him that that was the Dennis Miller people actually liked and wanted more of. He used to be one of the funniest people alive. Oh well.
He was always a little bit of a douchebag. I used to watch his HBO show Dennis Miller Live back in the 90s. He was known for always trying to be have a 'smart commentary'. But it was in such a snobby and smug way. If you're smart you don't have to try as hard as he did- it just came off as superior and arrogant. Jon Stewart was able to do what Dennis Miller was never able to, and that was being smart but likable. Dennis is not likable. But at least back then he was able to have a good time talking to guests and was much more funny and wasn't such a right-wing, joyless nutbag.
Google.
I remember when Google was a new thing and people warned me about using it since it spread malware. (The links they provided for searches were not safe.) It feels like it's been an eternity, and I look back at our naive selves and think "little did you know".
Charles Lindbergh
In WWII couldn’t get into the military because of his prewar isolationism (which was more pro-nazi than pacifist). But he was able to tour the battlefront as a rep for aircraft manufacturers. In this capacity he strafed and machine-gunned a man on the beach of an island inside enemy territory: more likely a Melanesian native than a Japanese combatant.
It turned out long after his death that he had seven children with three different women (two German sisters and his private secratary) in Europe.
Fritz Haber. He revolutionized the ability to fertilize crops and stopped the downfall of our modern agricultural civilization which has allowed the earth’s population to increase by 4 billion since his discovery. He created other technologies that would then be used in WW1 chemical warfare and eventually Zyklon B in WW2 that was used to perpetrate the Holocaust.
Very unpopular opinion/facts. He was a Chemist. During WW1 most countries were employing scientists to develop chemical weapons and both the Axis and Allies used gasses against each other....there wasn't a singular person at fault but as a collective. ALL scientists we're doing their duty to their country. Do I condone it? Of course not. As with Zyklon B, it was officially used as a pesticide not a murder weapon.....it was Farben who found it a useful tool for mass murder. Fritz committed suicide after knowing that his pesticide was used to kill millions!!
Fritz died of a heart attack in 1934. It was his wife who committed suicide. He knew nothing of the holocaust. His cyanide based rat killer Zyklon originally had a powerful smell of garlic as a safety measure. Zyklon B had the smell removed at the request of the german state. Long after Haber was dead.
Load More Replies...Rudy Giuliani was "America's Mayor" after 9/11, and now...
joe rogan - i really like how down to earth he seemed. he usually has ideas that seemed to be very logic based. later he turned into someone who doubts logic. i m not scientist but i simply find anyone who say masks dont work having a serious flaw with their logic. similarly i used to like jordan peterson. i am not a fan of sjw s**t and pronouns etc. i am NOT going to memorize 1001 different pronouns. but if it makes anyone's day a little brighter. i will call you he or she on your preference as well as your preferred name. his insistence on deadnaming ellen page is really... salty. how different is it from someone going to the gov and asking for their name to be officially changed? name changes happen. people who i liked a lot. turned into people who i dont like. not necessarily villains but thats for me.
I say this to all the older members in my family, because my daughter changed her name when she was 13 (she still uses she/her) but regardless; does someone changing their name or pronouns HURT YOU. People can call themselves whatever they want and I will happily oblige because trust me, the last thing they were thinking of when they made that decision was "oh I'm going to spite the boomers by changing my name". You are not that important. And if it makes them happy and confident then take the extra millisecond to remember what they call themselves. You may make mistakes, I did accidentally call my bros bf a girl at first because he is still female presenting, but I corrected myself and apologised (still cringe at it though). This one is just embarrassing.
Yeah. They didn't think that bit through, though I don't think it was their intent. It's not great, but it was either a slip or just trying to avoid confusion.
Load More Replies...I keep trying to explain to people the reality of masks Vs viruses. Before Covid makers and suppliers of surgical mask such as the IIR type posted a table of their efficiency against different sized particles. All showed zero protection against particles smaller than 3 microns. The Covid19 virus is 0.3 microns. Now nearly all have removed these tables from their websites. Research such as from Southern Research Institute, Birmingham, Alabama from as far back as 2010 showed that most face coverings provided a much lower level of protection than people realised. Even against larger particles many masks with the exceptions of n95 were at best 33%. Against viruses this fell to around 3%. What most people also don't think about is that governments gave no clear guidance about face coverings and which ones to wear and not to wear, such as not wearing visors that gave zero protection.
Doubt is good but only in moderation if you continue to doubt something with overwhelming evidence then you are probably being manipulated by commercial interests. Notably tobacco and oil companies
We had the rent raised and this pushed us into owning a home. Had a huge chip on my shoulder about the landlord squeezing me for more money and enough was enough so we bought a house. Fast forward a few years and we move towns for work and rent out the house. ( 6months before COVID ) I quickly became that landlord who only saw dollar signs when the rent came late or wasn’t paid in full. Sold the house after COVID caused the tenets to just stop paying and I had to shoulder my mortgage and the rental we had in town.
I have some sympathy for landlords. No one seems to like them, but they put a lot of money out there in hopes of getting some sort of reasonable return. People treat the places like c**p and it ends up costing them a fortune to fix. Or even just normal wear and tear can get spendy. We rented a house for several years at a pretty reasonable rent (for the area) and the roof started to leak. Ended up needing a completely new roof. It cost the landlord over $25,000, pretty much wiping out any profit he had made over 5-6 years. We had to move, but he was definitely going to have to raise the rent. (and we did get all our deposit back!)
There are upsides of renting. Furnace goes out? No need to shell out $1000s ASAP. Appliance breaks, water heater goes out, pipe bursts, aircon goes out, etc etc? $$$$ ASAP Landlords get a bad rap when they don't fulfill their side of the bargain, understandably.
Load More Replies...Just watched a video on Fritz Haber. He was one of the two German chemists to create the Haber-Bosch process in early 1900s which is credited with supporting the life of 4 billion people. He became an instant hero for the world and is the main reason world hunger is no longer a production problem but a logistical one. He ended up winning the Nobel Prize for Chemistry in 1918, but between creating the Haber-Bosch process and winning his prize in 1918 he was a major player in WWI. During WWI the allied powers put a trade blockade on Chilean saltpeter which was a major source of ammonia for the production of explosives. So he used his plants to turn from making ammonia for crops to making ammonia for weapons. Not only this he was instrumental in creating one of the first used chemical weapons in WWI, Chlorine gas. He became known as the father of Chemical warfare. If that was not bad enough in the 1920s scientists at his institute developed a cyanide gas we now know today as Zyklon B, the chemical used in Concentration camp gas chambers. Despite creating the process which would theoretically end world hunger he is more know today with creating chemical weapons and supplying the Nazis with the chemical they would use to kill over 10 million people.
Well no. His name has very little association with the holocaust as he died of a heart attack in 1934. You are correct about his work in synthesis of ammonia vs his work on chlorine gas.
H3h3, he use to call out the b******t on youtube, all the click baiting and harmful videos. Now he is the ultimate click baiter and drama youtuber. Super sad to see cause I loved his content as a kid, but ever since the podcast it hasn't been the same.
A YouTuber who used to call out the nonsense of other YouTuber's (drama, clickbait, etc), and is now doing the same things he criticized others of doing.
Load More Replies...God I miss old h3h3. When my brother was seriously ill we watched his whole back catalogue. Should have gone the way of filthy frank. Get out while the going's good, and stay a hero.
Charles Romley Alder Wright: The inventor of Heroin. Back in the 1890's, Morphine Addiction was bad. But it was still a pain reliever and general anesthetic. Considering this was a time when surgeons just started using drugs to put patients under instead of holding them down and hoping your assistants were strong enough to pin a thrashing patient still, they couldn't just get rid of it from the market. So Wright wanted to make an non-habit forming alternative. Something so patients wouldn't be in pain, surgeons could work calmly and efficiently, and no patient would get addicted. Before Mr. Wright found out about how terrible of a drug he had made, he died. Bayer (the pharmaceutical company) further developed the drug until the Treaty of Versailles first banned it. If Mr. Wright were still alive, he'd be branded a monster and there would be calls to get him locked up. But when he died, people probably thought he was a hero for making a non-addictive morphine alternative.
This one's unfair. It's not like he deliberately developed a drug to make people addicts.
When it first came out, they used to give heroin to help people get over their cocaine addiction. Both of which you used to be able to buy from the Sears catalog
As of now, mark cuban is in the hero stage for making medications affordable. My fear is that once it really catches on, he’ll increase the prices and we’ll be back to where we started. Mr Cuban, please stay the hero we need.
My dad. I used to think he was great, but as I got older I realized he’s no better than the rest of my shitty family.
Same. I adored and worshipped my parents. Turns out they are narcissists and theifs and liars. Did a lot of damage to a lot of people.
Richard Jewel. Security guard at the Atlanta Olympics who saved a bunch of people from getting killed by a bomb (could have been killed himself) only to be falsely accused and harassed relentlessly by the FBI and media when an FBI agent leaked to a local reporter that he was a prime suspect. They even tried to convince him that they thought he was a hero and trick him into doing a 'bomb threat video' where he was the bomber. The idea was to later use that as evidence against him. Poor guy and his family suffered for months while the FBI basically fabricated evidence, raided his home and kept him under surveillance 24 hours a day. He was eventually cleared as a suspect but only after pressure from his lawyer to basically charge him or provide him a statement saying he wasn't a suspect any longer.
Richard Jewell doesn’t belong on this list since he didn’t “turn into a villain” at all, he was framed.
Hero from start to finish. Unlike you, Dukat. You, who were recently crowned Star Trek's greatest villain. For shame.
Load More Replies...doesn't belong on this list. Maybe we need a list of "People everyone thought was the villain but who actually turned out to be the hero"
J.K. Rowling
Seriously. Hell, she could’ve even kept milking HP for all it’s worth (and then some) if she wanted to stay in the public eye. Instead, she chose to use her platform to spew hate…toward part of a demographic that very much loved her books. It’s baffling (and yes, really upsetting to me as a queer person who grew up with HP).
No, she didn't. Nuanced argument does not equal hate. Please, people, grow up.
She did though. you can "nuance your argument" all you like, but if it's causing harm to people, and you know it's causing harm to people and you continue to argue your (incorrect) argument, it's hate.
Load More Replies...All she said was that a genetic woman is different to a trans woman. That is not hate that is fact. You can and do treat them the same. However you think and act a trans woman is still genetically male.
Which is why Trans-gendered people in sports are a huge topic in the news, having a Male gender that has gone through puberty, then becoming female, gives that person a better physical advantage over a person being born female. Swimming and Rugby League now have a policy that the sex you were at birth still stands for that sport. Other sports now demand that trans keep their testosterone levels down for a certain amount of time to be able to compete.
Load More Replies...Personally she’s still a hero, for not being bullied. These people preech tolerance and love but are vile bullies, if we don’t pander to your belief system and stick with facts then we are deemed worthy of abuse. Such a contradiction of your supposed ideology.
I bet most people who hate J.K. Rowling, didn't read what she actually wrote. That's the issue with just about everything now. Sheeple in tribes being loud based on other loud angry people who are even less informed on the issue they "stand" for.
Nope, she said that trans people deserve respect and support, but humans can’t change sex.
JK is Pro Woman who doesn't want biological women to be minimized. Just because you're offended, doesn't make her wrong.
ohhh i see a lot of morons defending the terf boot. face it, she sadly turned out to be a hick dead.
Some people have asked to stop down voting so I won't. She is just defending her convictions, she doesn't deserve to receive death threats for that.
Load More Replies...Will smith
How is he a villain? A man is not defined by a single stupid thing he does. He is barely an a*****e.
Yes this! He reacted badly but placing him in this list with some of the worst people is absolutely ridiculous
Load More Replies...I wonder if there would be so many downvotes if Chris Rock was a woman. Will Smith hitting Chris on live television was so wrong. You don't hit someone, period. Doing it to defend his wives honour makes it even worse, talk, don't use your fists. Or let her defend herself. (Just my opinion, no need for downvotes)
He lost his cool and did something stupid that unfortunately millions worldwide saw. Honestly, I feel bad for him to a degree. Jada seems toxic and he'd probably be better off without her
I am not convinced this wasn't some misguided stunt concocted between these two. If you look at the photo at the moment of the slap, they are both smiling - almost laughing. I think it went bad so fast they both decided to just let it play out and not admit to any prearranged agreement. They tried to get both their names on everyone's list and it cosmically failed.
Let's paint a picture. The woman you love has been losing her hair. She is afraid to go out in public and is really sensitive about her appearance, especially since she shaved her hair off. You get an invite to this swanky party and finally managed to convince her that the world is a better and more accepting place- that no one will make fun of her appearance. And just when everything seems to be going well, the main host calls attention to it, making fun of her to the laughter of everyone else. You look over at her and she isn't smiling, all you see is pain and humiliation and your broken promise that she wouldn't be made fun of. I don't think Will Smith was the villain in that incident. He could have reacted better, but Chris also could have acted his age, rather than his shoe size for picking on a person's appearance in public.
Yes. Exactly. He deserves all the hate. What the hell does he think he is a god or what ?? Loved his every single movie but that act of his really degraded him for me
ah yes- slapping someone for mocking your wife makes you a "god"
Load More Replies...JFK. Had so much potential to get drug down into corruption, nepotism, and such between his family's power, ties to the mafia, and womizing. But he was assassinated before that could happen and died the hero.
He was trying to stay the hero, that's why they assassinated him! Then his brother carried on the fight and he was assassinated too. This one doesn't belong here at all.
JFK's handling of the Cuban Missile Crisis was awful, allowing a US ship to drop depth charges on a Russian nuclear sub. The world almost ended but one Russian sub officer of the 3 said no to nuclear retaliation.
Load More Replies...I think OP's point here, not that they make it well, is that *had* JFK lived, those ties would have villainized him, fairly or unfairly. And if it's not their point, well it should have been.
OP is saying that JFK is an example of “you either die a hero or live long enough to become the villain”
Load More Replies...Jimmy Saville, Prince Andrew, Michael Barrymore, Gary Glitter, Ian Watkins , Tiger Woods, Weinstein, Oscar Pistorius, Mike Tyson, Michael Vick ...to name but a few
I watched the Jimmy Saville documentary that was on Netflix. As someone from the US I didn't grow up with him during my childhood. So I just thought he seemed extremely weird and controlling even without all the molestation.
Load More Replies...Rolf Harris, loved by just about everyone, as the lovely man, who even painted a beautiful picture of the Queen. Then we discovered his darker side.
Yeah, we adored Rolf in our house. He was friends with my Mum, even asked her advice after he recorded (ironically) "Two Little Boys", which would go on to be a massive hit for him. He was worried about releasing it too close to Christmas. From Wikipedia: "The song reached number 1 on the UK Singles Chart on 18 December 1969, where it stayed for six weeks, thus becoming the first chart-topping single of the 1970s as well as the last of the 1960s." And, about five years later, my Mum recorded it on the only album she and my Dad recorded. Some neat bonus trivia for ya there. Anyway, that song and that man were important to us. I have a picture of myself hugging him in the '70s on my site which I can't remove until I can get to my files (I owe them dough, don't have it, can't touch my files). Such a sad fall from grace.
Load More Replies...Agreed. Champion who beet cancer and then turned ultra liar about steroid use. Stripped of all his wins and credibility. I distinctly remember the day I burned my "LANCE" shirt.
Load More Replies...At a certain level of fame you begin to be surrounded by people who don't criticize _anything_ you do. Some, because you're their meal ticket, some because they see you as a path to their own success, and some because they idolize you and think you can do nothing wrong. It becomes a "Yes Cult." (It's a large part of the reason for the 'forever 27 club.') It doesn't always happen but for all the saints like Dolly, Keanu, John Cena, etc. there's a dozen of these twatwaffles. We all need loving people around us who will tell us to sit down and shut up _before_ it reaches that point.
Upvoted to counter an unjustified downvote, someone gave to a reasonable comment.
Load More Replies...All of this just makes me realize how truly amazing Keanu Reeves is. 🧡
Tom Riddle was this really cool kid who could do magic. Then he started use the avada kedavra curse for just any old reason. Turned out to be a real jerk.
Johnny Depp. Even if you think he's totally innocent, his language about women is appalling. Best actor ever. But not the best person.
I don't think he was innocent of being an A hole. I'm sure they're both terrible people. But when you accuse someone of something you probably shouldn't let them record you saying "no one's gonna belive you because you're a man." It might effect your credibility.
Load More Replies...How is this list without Roseanne?!? She was a huge pioneer for women in entertainment and a huge (no pun intended) warrior for LGBT rights. And she is now known for being a massive racist conspiracy nut job.
I saw her on Rogan right after she got canned and I just came away feeling sorry for her. She came off as a literal insane person babbling a bunch of nonsense about 800 year old Mesopotamian artifical intelligence (I'm not making that part up she LITERALLY ranted about that very thing). I'm just glad no one pays attention to her anymore.
Load More Replies...Jimmy Saville, Prince Andrew, Michael Barrymore, Gary Glitter, Ian Watkins , Tiger Woods, Weinstein, Oscar Pistorius, Mike Tyson, Michael Vick ...to name but a few
I watched the Jimmy Saville documentary that was on Netflix. As someone from the US I didn't grow up with him during my childhood. So I just thought he seemed extremely weird and controlling even without all the molestation.
Load More Replies...Rolf Harris, loved by just about everyone, as the lovely man, who even painted a beautiful picture of the Queen. Then we discovered his darker side.
Yeah, we adored Rolf in our house. He was friends with my Mum, even asked her advice after he recorded (ironically) "Two Little Boys", which would go on to be a massive hit for him. He was worried about releasing it too close to Christmas. From Wikipedia: "The song reached number 1 on the UK Singles Chart on 18 December 1969, where it stayed for six weeks, thus becoming the first chart-topping single of the 1970s as well as the last of the 1960s." And, about five years later, my Mum recorded it on the only album she and my Dad recorded. Some neat bonus trivia for ya there. Anyway, that song and that man were important to us. I have a picture of myself hugging him in the '70s on my site which I can't remove until I can get to my files (I owe them dough, don't have it, can't touch my files). Such a sad fall from grace.
Load More Replies...Agreed. Champion who beet cancer and then turned ultra liar about steroid use. Stripped of all his wins and credibility. I distinctly remember the day I burned my "LANCE" shirt.
Load More Replies...At a certain level of fame you begin to be surrounded by people who don't criticize _anything_ you do. Some, because you're their meal ticket, some because they see you as a path to their own success, and some because they idolize you and think you can do nothing wrong. It becomes a "Yes Cult." (It's a large part of the reason for the 'forever 27 club.') It doesn't always happen but for all the saints like Dolly, Keanu, John Cena, etc. there's a dozen of these twatwaffles. We all need loving people around us who will tell us to sit down and shut up _before_ it reaches that point.
Upvoted to counter an unjustified downvote, someone gave to a reasonable comment.
Load More Replies...All of this just makes me realize how truly amazing Keanu Reeves is. 🧡
Tom Riddle was this really cool kid who could do magic. Then he started use the avada kedavra curse for just any old reason. Turned out to be a real jerk.
Johnny Depp. Even if you think he's totally innocent, his language about women is appalling. Best actor ever. But not the best person.
I don't think he was innocent of being an A hole. I'm sure they're both terrible people. But when you accuse someone of something you probably shouldn't let them record you saying "no one's gonna belive you because you're a man." It might effect your credibility.
Load More Replies...How is this list without Roseanne?!? She was a huge pioneer for women in entertainment and a huge (no pun intended) warrior for LGBT rights. And she is now known for being a massive racist conspiracy nut job.
I saw her on Rogan right after she got canned and I just came away feeling sorry for her. She came off as a literal insane person babbling a bunch of nonsense about 800 year old Mesopotamian artifical intelligence (I'm not making that part up she LITERALLY ranted about that very thing). I'm just glad no one pays attention to her anymore.
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