That's true in the same way that not smoking that cigarette that accidentally burns your house down is better than calling the fire brigade to put out your burning house. No one uses abortions as a casual form of birth control, I think in hindsight everyone who has had to have an abortion would have used protection or not messed up in the using of said protection.

Excuse me Mr Rapist, can you put a condom on.....?

There are a lot of "pro life" people who actually ARE anti-birth control (and amazingly enough, anti-sex ed). Lots of them.

Mikleo, they took away Planned Parenthood which dispensed contraceptives, which Trump just took away yesterday. So with no abortions, no contraceptives, no Planned Parenthood, and no Medicare for single moms, the Republicans seem to hate women. Is this what the New “Republicans” are all about?

And why automatically ‘mother not willing or able to care for said child? Why is it Mom not willing or able, what about Dad? Is the father excused from responsibility? Maybe if all men owned up to the responsibility of the seeds they sew there would be fewer unwanted or accidental pregnancies.

Actually the Catholic Church considers contraception and abortion to be equivalent (masturbation, too). It doesn’t explicitly call contraception “murder” but like abortion (and masturbation) it does go “against God’s plan." It’s easier to be noisy about abortion because “Life begins at ejaculation,” is much more difficult to build a political movement around.

At one time some religions considered condoms offensive to "gods plan". And where banned. Condoms and birth control are not new inventions lol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Religion_and_birth_control

Birth control and human beings are not good partners in an emergency. There will always be unwanted pregnancies despite using birth control.

Nobody calls a condom "murder" because an individual sperm or egg (23 chromosomes each) is not a human being, but only half a human. A fertilized egg (46 chromosomes) is now a human being with a full complement of its own DNA distinct from either parent. <> An abortion IS a "child dying".

How about offering the baby for adoption instead of abortion so it has a chance to add something to the world, it could be the next Albert Einstein if given the chance.

You can't use birth control if you're raped, unless you're like using birth control pills "in case someone rapes me". also accidents happen

No birth control is 100% effective. I've fallen pregnant twice while on birth control, once with the marina inserted, and I'm not the only person I know that its happened to.

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People who beat their kids have the option to abort and choose not to. Abortion increases yearly and so does child abuse. Poor argument.

Ahum, how do you tell the rapist that he should put a condom on before the act?

Yes but abortions are also for people who were raped or unwillingly got pregnant as well :)

we write laws all the time preventing one from infringing upon the right of others. we just have a problem determining to what extent an "other" deserves rights. you argument completely ignores the debate of, in this case, "how do we define the unborn. is it an other or something pre other. if its a human it has rights. if its just a mass of cells it doesnt.

So you are, in fact, pro choice. nice one! It doesnt matter whether I am for or against abortion, what matters is that I dont deny someone else the right to decide what is right for them and their circumstance

Thats fine - Live your life without anyone else's interference.. but that also should mean, Pay for Your Life - Yourself?

Some people want to beat on their kids. Some people want to have kids to increase their welfare check. Some people want to steal rather than work. I don't believe people should beat their kids and will always step out of my own life and interfere. BTW I'm an atheist, so spare me the Christian BS.

Really? Let's try that differently, shall we? "'m again [murder], but I also think that everyone should have a choice of what they want to do, we are all different, nobody should force they're beliefs on others, they should live they're own life and not somebody's else." Except for, you know, the baby murdered. Let's try that yet another way: "I'm again [wife beating], but I also think that everyone should have a choice of what they want to do, we are all different, nobody should force they're beliefs on others, they should live they're own life and not somebody's else." So, if you passed a couple on the street, and the man was beating the woman, you'd just shrug and say "I should just live my own life, not somebody else's?" Your argument presupposes that the right of self determination is so great that it eliminates the higher right: the right to life.

I totally agree. He didn't shut down anything and the whole scenario is stupid.

This isn't a false dilemma. It's a hypothetical question that reveals someone's values. If an anti-abortionist wants to argue that an embryo is of equal moral worth as a child, then their obvious answer is B. I don't know that it 'shuts down' the anti-abortion position, but your own inability to answer it is damning.

Agreed. For many pro-life people, IVF is immoral and shuts the whole scenario down before it begins, because 1000 embryos on ice is already its own giant moral mess. I do suspect that many of us would put the 5yo on our backs and grab the container in front, but he disallows that option by fiat, which is dumb.

I agree with you wholeheartedly.

I agree as well. This scenario is unlikely to happen

Sorry, not a false dilemma.

I was wondering what his point was. What can this be applied to: If a pregnant mother is in danger of dying and you have a choice to either save the mother or the child inside her? Even that is not the same thing, but that is as close as I can get.

States the man....

Abortion should be safe and legal until viability. It is, however inaccurate and disingenuous to claim that it is no different morally than condom use. Abortion is sometimes justified, but it is a difficult thing. In a perfect world no woman would need an abortion.

Exactly. This proves that you are human and compassionate. Nothing else.

And what if the 5 year old were a deaf-mute? Do you live him to burn because you 'can't hear him crying'?

I would choose the kid and kick the embryos into the fire on the way out. The world doesn't need another thousand people.

Completely agree Mar Ad, if we were computers that looked at this situation devoid of empathy and emption we would undoubtedly choose the greater number and sacrifice the one. But we do have emotion and empathy and will respond as others have said to the obvious distress of a child rather than the silent majority - it’s neither right nor wrong, true nor false, just a human choice....thank God.

Your position looks very similar to this one: https://www.ushmm.org/propaganda/archive/poster-neues-volk/