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Being controlled by religion is religious freedom dummy.

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Huh? I guess you're referring to the practice of killing our babies? Why would you think that allowing each state to make their own rules and regulations around baby killing means the Bible thumpers are now running the country? Are you totally incapable of rational thought?

BP is left leaning so...

@ John Hackley calling it baby killing is a fringe religious stance, they aren't remotely a person when aborted. And your own religious text isn't remotely anti abortion, which was definitely a thing back then. It's from ONE line about the fine payed for injuring a pregnant woman, but they'll be executed if she dies.. specifically showing it doesn't consider the miscarriage a death. Catholics literally only became rabidly anti abortion a few decades ago and changed rhetoric. Even if you're a religious zealot who ignores science, facts, history and anything that challenges your limited worldview, don't go full flat earther with your blind nonsense. It's a basic liberty to allow women that right. The only people against it are coming from a religious stance..which the state has zero right enforcing and is a basic freedom granted by the constitution. If pork was banned, or hijabs were enforced youd throw a fit, or if they banned psychiatry for scientology, or any other cult besides yo

Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh they don't agree with me, they must be *The Left!*"

It's a cheap shot to steer the whole conversation away from the topic and into politics. Also annoying to those of us who actually want to stay on topic.

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Good point. Is that the only thing y'all can come up with? "Oh what do you expect from a country that doesn't allow women to kill their babies, I mean having a say in what happens to their bodies. Yeah that's what I meant. And as Dave Chapelle says, "If you can kill this MFer, I can at least abandon him."

It should be a state to state basis. In a true democracy the government should not control your personal rights and should not be involved with social issues.

I don't even think it should be on a State to State basis. If you're not a woman then really you shouldn't have any type of say on the matter if you're in any type of government office. It's none of your damn business what I do with my body and unless your a*s is going to carry this child you need to keep moving. I shouldn't have to come up with some valid excuse while begging to have the right to make decisions over MY OWN BODY. (That rant wasn't aimed at you, Joe Dirt - I'm speaking in general)

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Not a woman, but very much have the ability to carry children. Reducing it to "only women get an opinion" isn't helpful.

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The men should have to carry more responsibility for what they do to women. Women should also avoid sexual activity when they have not used means of prevention.

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You state that the men should have to carry more responsibility yet you think that only the women should have to be celibate - it's NOT her choice so why is it HER responsibility? Unlike far too many men she doesn't have the option of bailing if she gets pregnant, she used to have the ability to make a very difficult choice to go through a medical procedure which can have serious physical and emotional ramifications for some women plus having to deal with the stigma and demonization by fundamentalists that don't understand their own Bibles but even that right has been taken. And most men will never even consider a vasectomy despite the fact that unlike a hysterectomy it's reversible so why is the burden all on her? Why shouldn't men who won't be responsible in any way, during sex or after it, be celibate too?

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I agree, control your own body and pay your own way to do so. Don't expect someone to pay for it. With us thinking men can take a pill, have an operation and become a woman, if he feels like, we can no longer deny them to comment on this. F***d up but we can't have it both ways.

Men can take birth control pills, but refused to because of the side effects. The same side effects that women deal with all the time. So, it's pretty obvious that the men are the problem.

So just ignore the fact that even after the hormones and surgery they'll never be able to carry a pregnancy? Men should have a say in what happens to women's bodies because they can become sterile women who will never understand or experience pregnancy themselves?

More "women do not understand big decisions a need male protection" poo

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Problem is, it’s not your body. A basic science class would teach you this.

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Ok, then men should not have to support places that kill and then sell your dead baby parts, like Planned Parenthood, with our taxes. That's what you're saying right?

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No one cares about your dirty body. The concern is for the unborn baby who has every right to be where it is. You don’t get to play god and kill another innocent body. Don’t act like a ho and it won’t be a problem.

States are by extension a form of GOVERNMENT, Numbnuts....🤦🏾‍♀️

What kind of anti-American, authoritarian b******t do you believe in?? It should be the individual's choice, not the state's, asshat.

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States rights doesn't make it a True democracy. I know this is old news to most but obviously not all. This country is not, never was, and the Constitution never claims it to be a democracy. It's a republic; that's regardless of state's rights or centralized power. And this is not a social issue to many people. It is a crime of murder. You may disagree with that, but it's only a social issue to those that want to do it. I agree, though, regarding things like marriage/divorce, and other such matters, that the government should stay out of it. And if it's not going to be illegal to kill babies, it should at least be a state by state choice.

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Feel free to apply for citizenship to your choice of better country. It's only about $120. Small price to get out of the terrible country here. I know you'll love it wherever you go and they will love you,your feelings, opinions,etc.,

FYI, there are many countries out there which are better, and you don't get to choose to live in them that easily. So many countries which actually ARE democracies, as opposed to claiming to be, and which have decent health care, education, housing, wage structures, infrastructure and respected police forces

Many people cannot even afford that. Plus extra costs for travel and intake. Why is this even a valid response to people saying that things need to improve?

I am Native so YOU go to another country

Wrong! It costs $12,000 to give up one's American citizenship.

Not like citizenship matters, the US gov can execute you with no consequences..... just look up Anwar al-Awlaki.

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So? If folks are so unhappy, then they should seek better. The founders did. Let your feet do the walking. They can save up the $2500 (it is not $12K; stop with the false info)

Every country has different costs, so stop quoting prices

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I hear Iraq, Iran , especially Turkey and Syria are real good southern Africa maybe, let them please go

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Perfectly said

Sounds like a bunch b.s. senseless drama. Slavery never went away, it's working for corporations at non livable wages.

@Joe Dirt - And don't forget the slavery work in the American prison system

Amen I made $2.25 a day working 6-9 hours a day in the chow hall

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That’s perfectly acceptable

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Slavery is low information folks not understanding and the talking heads telling you how to think. We have choices in this country and anyone, yes ANYONE can CHOOSE to change their station in life by their CHOICES

Yes, choices matter, but what about people who are in no position to make choices? The US is a country which takes away choice, by having oppressive policing, terrible health system, ridiculous education costs, almost non-existent wage regulations, etc.

It never really left, they just changed the rules. Now you have to become an inmate at a penitentiary to lose your personal autonomy but countless people are wrongfully convicted every year. That and now only states and private corporations that run prisons for states can become slave owners, not private citizens technically.

Why not both?

Slavery?? WTF! I bet you think slaves just appeared at the American white man's feet,huh. You want the ones who built slavery to pay. ..let's go there. Slave ships carrying slaves were of European origin and they sailed to many countries selling slaves. But,they didn't just Alacazam these slaves to existence!!! They bought them from their African Tribes whom practiced in selling their weak,lame,whatever tribes people they felt weren't what they wanted to these slaves ships!!! So,these people need to go back and ask repreations and sorry from their own people!! They got paid selling you. That's right,lets go to the source if your truly interested in your history. Or let me guess,you may even think 12 people on ship went and stole them against large,fearce,head hunting tribes. That makes sense,huh!! Your people sold you to Europeans,and America wasn't their only stop. So take complaints to the proper people, your own in the motherland. Because no American alive today owned slaves and pretty sure none of you now living were owned. Can't move forward if keep looking back. Do you even know your enslaved ancestors names or is this just your crutch to fall back on! If you truly care and are upset then go to the Real Starters of Slavery! The tribes who sold their own people! Americans wouldn't have had anyone to buy if they hadn't created the market-and remember, those ships didn't only come here

You are forgetting about tribes who were murdered for their people or those who were going about their business who were murdered or made slaves, sent to another country, restricted to ghettos their land confiscated like the USA, South Africa. , Canada, and all of central and south America. You whites live on stolen lands that were built by PoC.

How interesting, I didn't know slaves were sold by their own people.

That's cuz only some of them were. The reason so many black people are ripped is because slave owners selectively bred generations of slaves to be strong sturdy workers in the fields - between that and the fact that no one looking to buy someone else to do their labor the idea that these people were the sick, weak, and expendable of the tribes is obvious nonsense - no one is going to spend good money on someone else's throwaways. This is some guy trying to make it seem like white people don't carry any responsibility for the injustices that still carry on today.

Most folks want to ignore this; most slaves were put into slavery by THEIR OWN people. Pick a country or any period in history and you will see some enslaved folks by their people or if their country was conquered. The spoils of war.

@Lee Sanyos And the Europeans simply exploited it and made it a market. Before Slavery was simply a spoils of war, meaning the losing faction became slaves. But none of it excuses the European exploitation or the fact that the US condoned slavery for more than 200 years and the fact that systemic racism was built into the government and institutions thanks to Jim Crow laws after the Civil War.

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If you don't like it, then move to a country that is more to your liking. Never understand people who prefer to sit and whine vs changing their situation.

Moving to other countries is not easy, not even close, so that is a stupid thing to say.

My reply was meant for @Steve Smith. The one who put the simplest minded, ignorant comment.

We will change it, Steve, by changing the system here. If you think leaving is the only option, then go, we won't miss you

Well with that mentality, we'd never have had emancipation (though not true freedom yet), women's rights, gay marriage and we'd still be sending little kids to the mines. Perhaps that's what you want.

"All heck"??? What does that mean?

Only 1, I don't think she got the job though. I could be wrong about that

Yep. Because that is a public health issue.

But individuals can choose to protect themselves by practicing social distancing

The only social distancing which could protect as well as the vaccine would be total isolation, and there are not many people who live alone are grow all their own food!

What a silly thing to say. It's not even the same. Vaccines stop life-threatening infectious diseases, you don't have a right to spread them.

No one was ever forced to get the vaccine. There have always been options. Wear a mask and test. Find another job.

DING DING DING !!

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Funny the hypocrites of the democrat party want abortion rights but they don't want you to have a choice in regards to a b.s. vaccine, one proven to not even be effective in the first place. Typical hypocrisy from the commie left.

You mean the vaccine that can have an effect on whether you spread a disease to multiple other people vs an abortion that has zero effect on the population around you? Ah yes so hypocritical.

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Zero effect on the people "around" you, but fully effective on the person INSIDE you. My body my choice? It's not YOUR body. A baby is not a parasite you can just get rid of...

Until it's a pregnancy outside the womb where it literally becomes a parasite that will kill you .. read something jesus

Jesus has nothing to do with your false ideology.

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Umm, my mother n law got the vaccine when it *first* came out & last year.... after Christmas she was sick & then all of us got sick. My body, *my* choice!!

Do you understand why?? That happen?? Because people refused to vaccinate and the disease evolution over and over it continues to this day to have space to grow and chance this the continue spread of COVID.. ummmm let's read instead of ummmm spreading dumb a*s bs lies about why COVID continue to spread ... Didn't anyone take high school science!

All the anti-vaxxers are probably homeschooled (no hate to other homeschoolers). Their high-school science was probably just that.

Most people who were hospitalized didn’t get the vaccine. But some had it. Most people hospitalized were not wearing masks. But some were. 100% of people who even got infected weren’t practicing social distancing. Vaccination and masking to social distancing is just like a contraceptive to abstinence. The former is mostly effective but the latter is 100% effective, while the former encourages more risky behavior

It is impossible to practice social distancing 100%, unless you live alone, never leave your property, grow all your own food and are completely self-sufficient!

There was a massive upside though, although not enough to save the country. Although antivaxxers come from all kinds of backgrounds the refusal to wear masks, socially distance, believe in science or doctors, or practice the slightest bit of responsibility was almost entirely a 'red' stance with the greatest impacts in red states. Any loss of life is tragic but if I had to choose a hundred thousand Americans who wouldn't see their next birthdays the best possible outcome for America is for those hundred thousand to be Republicans.

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Ummm, did dr fauci tell you this? Because he's also full of sh*t, just as you are. And I'm pretty sure the "vaccine" that was supposed to PREVENT everyone from getting covid did not do that whatsoever. And people who got their 15 shots still got sick with covid including 'the big guy'. So spare me your bullsh*t, and instead of blaming people who were clearly smarter than you by skipping this/these shots, (since they clearly didn't really work as advertised), blame the sorry a*s pharmaceutical companies that promised you the world, made billions upon billions in profits, but didn't really deliver as promised. P. S. Don't forget to double mask before going to bed

So I’m just going to say this cause why not. Since COVID happened I have worn a mask, distanced, got a vaccine and gone to public school. I HAVE NEVER GOTTEN COVID. If you don’t respect opinion, respect facts.

You didn’t get it because you socially distanced. The very thing most people forgot about as soon as everyone started wearing masks

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Not lying. Just stating facts. Also; might want to change your username . You are anything, but a "doctor". 🙄

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One last thing. You make NO sense. I read & reread your comment & still don't know where you coming from. I was just stating that the vaccine doesn't protect you. If you get sick (even after vaccination) the to people AROUND you can, get sick.

If you are seriously thinking the only reason for abortions are women who spread their legs then stop talking. It takes two people to make a baby and I’m so tired of people with your mentality blaming it all on the woman. She didn’t impregnate herself. Also, people who get abortions don’t just use them as birth control. You guys believe only one thing about abortions and the people who get them and the reason behind them and you refuse to see anything from a different point of view.

So true! Men shouldn't even be giving an opinion on this issue. But I guess people like Darth Digital are okay with men who rape, but want to penalise the victim. Not to mention they don't care what sort of life situation they are wishing these poor potential kids into.

Exactly, cuz Republicans are only pro-life until the moment of birth, after that death is your duty as an American. Cuz the rights to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness are only a minor consideration that take a backseat to the 2nd amendment and are only 'rights' if you can afford them - which they will not assist you with in any way. Can't afford to live cuz you can't buy food or afford your necessary medication then that's just too bad. Don't know if you'll survive the day in elementary school cuz some teacher told some kid something he didn't want to hear and he might show up with an AR-13, that's the price you pay to live in a 'pro-life' society.

24 comments on this topic with lots of racial comments. I hope someone from our government is watching you. Seems like one of those wackos from the news as of late.

How about r@pe/incest victims, minors, and when the body is at risk, like Savita Halappanavar's? Life starts at birth, that's what birth is by definition: the start of life.