Some may say that tipping culture in the U.S. is getting out of control, but, generally, people are still likely to tip. In 2023, Pew released the results of a survey about tipping, and 81% of the respondents said they always tip at restaurants where there are servers.
But what about the times people use the self-service machines? This person’s case sparked a debate among netizens about tipping when they shared their recent experience. After ordering an iPad, the customer was asked to tip but refused. And when they got the food, it was cold, and, as the OP worried, possibly contaminated.
When ordering at a self-service kiosk, few of us think about tipping
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Yet this person experienced that people should leave a tip even when ordering on a machine
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A self-service restaurant isn’t the same as a sit-down restaurant; different tipping rules apply
Before self-service kiosks became a thing, tipping etiquette was fairly simple. You’d tip at restaurants where there’s a server, and if you liked the exceptional service or ordered a gargantuan amount of food, you’d tip at other establishments as well.
Nowadays, people are more confused than ever about when they’re supposed to tip and when they can hit the “No tip” button without feeling guilty. In that same Pew survey we mentioned earlier, only 34% of Americans say it’s extremely easy to know whether or how much (33%) to tip for different types of services.
According to the restaurant point of sale and management system Toast, rules for tipping at sit-down restaurants haven’t changed. People should still tip 20% of their bill at a full-service restaurant.
But, from what the OP describes here, it seems they were at a so-called quick-service restaurant. That’s a place where you can order food at the counter, swipe your credit card, take a number, wait for it to be called, and take your order when it’s complete. There’s really no “serving” from the employee involved, is it? Therefore, why should people tip?
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Tipping at self-service food establishments is usually optional
According to Toast, tipping at these types of restaurants is optional. The expected tip for an exceptionally well-done service is 10% of your total bill. But, still, it’s doesn’t mean that you have to tip or that the food worker has the right to harass you about not leaving a tip.
If you’re not sure whether you should tip at a food establishment like this, Delishably suggests comparing it to a sit-down restaurant. Note what types of services servers provide at sit-down restaurants. They seat you, take your order, give recommendations, answer questions, deliver the food, and distribute it to each person at the table. After you’ve eaten, a server brings you the check, take-out boxes if you need them, and cleans up after you.
Now, consider what types of services the semi self-service or a self-serve food establishment provide you with. In some quick-serve restaurants, the worker might bring the food to your table or clean up after you. Others might have beautiful decor; take all this into consideration and tip accordingly.
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In some states, tips aren’t gratuities, and are included in workers’ minimum wages
While many customers are angry when a machine asks them to tip, there is reasoning behind it. Without tips, many food workers may not earn a living wage. And when you’re tipping an iPad, it doesn’t mean the money goes to the machine.
As assistant professor of marketing at Murray State University Ismail Karabas explained to The New York Times, it varies who the money goes to. Some establishments pool the tips for groups of workers, while others designate it to the one who was working the counter. Workers might get the tips that get generated during their shifts.
Although the federal minimum wage for food service workers is $7.25, some employees use “tip credit” to pay their workers’ minimum wages. Many states allow employers to include tips in the minimum wage as long as the minimum wage plus tips equals the federal minimum.
That means for some workers, tips aren’t extra gratuities. And while the system might seem broken, it’s something to consider the next time we’re asked to tip a self-service machine.
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Many netizens shared similar experiences, and the author concluded: lesson learned, never order at places that ask for tips for self-service
People pointed out that it’s insane to even expect a tip before the customer receives their food
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The entire concept of tipping was to reward your server, bartender, taxi driver, etc, for providing good service. This new culture of asking for a tip BEFORE providing a service (or for providing no actual service at all) is a load of c**p.
"Others might have beautiful decor; take all this into consideration and tip accordingly." WHAT? I don't tip for decor, I tip for SERVICE by a HUMAN! When I walk into a restaurant of any kind and am forced to order from a kiosk or a tablet or have to scan a barcode for the menu or download an app, I turn around and walk right back out.
Others might have beautiful decor 😂😂 yes, you should be tipping for the beauty your eyeballs get to see.
Load More Replies...Little Ceasars Pizza asked for a tip. All they did was walk pizza from kitchen to pick up kiosk. It's like. . There's a reason I'm buying cheap $7 Little Ceasars pizza 🍕 🤷♀️ lol and not better grade pizza. Start posting warning ⚠️ reviews on the places pages so others can be aware what to expect with tipping.
I'm betting this was in the US. Restaurants put signs up saying "our servers survive and rely on your tips" it's a joke.. sorry but I'm not going to pay your employees wage bc the owner is too cheap to pay it themselves. I just was at a fully automatic store (no staff to be seen) it asked for a tip when I was checking out.
The sign should say "The owner prospers by not paying his servers a livable wage. Please subsidize his business."
Load More Replies...My entire career was in the food industry. That said, tipping is out of hand. I hate tipping on carryout. I have had three times where something was missing from the same place - chicken missing twice on salad, no dressing. Since the pressure to tip is so high now, I just stopped going there.
My first career was food service. And tipping has gotton out of hand. Knowing that wait staff ninimun wage has increased 13 cents in the 40 odd years since i was a server make me sad and i get what the standard has gone from 10-15 % to 20 - 25%. I cant help but wonder if restaurants are classify the people bringing food to table after you use kiosk as " wait staff" and paying the lower min wage ( about 2.40 now ) so that is why they are asking for tips.
Load More Replies...Just Eat (in the UK) add the text on the bill: "We've added a Service Charge to help us so we can learn how we can do better" - and then also ask for a tip (take-outs). #RipOffMerchants I deleted my Account with them, and go to individual Take-out restaurants myself.
Load More Replies...I despise tipping culture. Just put the proper price in the menu for crying out loud.
To say the least. I have cancelled numerous orders and gone elsewhere when the automatic tipping screen comes up. One wouldn't let me proceed without entering at least a 20% tip before the service was even rendered (the damn iPad program "recommended" tipping in excess of 25+%). Tipping in the US has gone out of control.
Load More Replies...I think we need to call out the owners and managers of these types of "restaurants" as the source of this pressure to tip. They are the ones telling their staff that tips are an integral part of their earnings rather than paying real wages. All of the tech investments the restaurants have made in kiosks and such was done to lessen the amount of staff they needed to hire. Some of that cost savings should go to good salaries rather than telling customers that they are paying staff salaries through tips.
I won't pre+tip for any reason, but I support local businesses who have wait staff with fairly generous tips most of the time, because I get how hard it is. Mom and I both agreed, for the first time ever, to not tip after a bad experience at a local place recently. I asked for milk for my grits, and she snappy that it didn't come with milk I asked just for two ounces in the side then, and she got nasty and said they didn't have enough and I couldn't have any. It is worse because she owns half the place. So, not only no tip, but also a big fat warning review online. What was so wrong with just politely saying that milk was not available? I would have accepted it. But she has been repeatedly nasty. Mom also contact the other owners, whom she knows and is friends with. We are not returning.
ALL "tipping" is inappropriate. Service businesses that pay less than legal minimum are wage thieves.
So I’m not in the US, so don’t have a tipping culture mentality. However, if tips are expected, and seemingly mandatory if you expect to get what you ordered properly made, why not include the tip in overall cost and pay staff higher. Get rid of tips altogether and just charge the asking price. Make it simple guys!
Papa Murphy's forces a non-zero tip online. It's truly a scam because they were paying their employees a legal wage before, then they added tipping on top of that. The employees don't even take a step, just add their ingredients and slide it to the right.
I installed the Starbucks app because I don't like the idea of being asked to tip when I go there about once a month or so.
A lot of this fairly recent "pressure to tip" stems from the newer POS (point of sale) systems. Although newer restaurant and store employees may not understand this either. It provides a tipping option in order to increase the client base for companies selling the system. I do tip 20% minimum for anyone providing a service, restaurant delivery or eat in, hair salons, rideshare, etc. I tip 10% for some takeout, like my local Chinese restaurant because they get the order together, pack the rice, even cook some appetizers while I wait. I am in the US however, where tipping for this work is customary and in restaurants staff aren't even paid close to minimum wage because antiquated federal law allows it. It also allows parents to use children as employees in their businesses. Time for a big change!
I don't know why anyone would tip at a take out restaurant. Or one you order by using a kiosk. The price of the meal covers the cost of food and labor to produce the food. Someone handing you a bag is nothing more than someone handing you a bag. It's not actual. I would have sent the food back to be properly cooked. And asked to see that manager so that we could discuss the employee's attitude problem.
Load More Replies...When that happens just tell them you tip in cash and would leave it on the table for the server.
Let’s get pissed off at the owners of these places who are using the public to make up the difference between the pittance they pay their employees and an actual livable wage. That’s the crux of the issue, and the actual culprits for the problem. Let’s start chewing THEM a new a*****e or two or three, and get them to pay their people what they deserve—-enough to live on from working just one job—-instead of cheating them out of that basic right by being f*****g greedy, selfish, thieving skinflints.
I usually give the homeless the tip when leaving a fast food joint. Theres always a few around. Everywhere asks for tips. It's unbelievable. They guilt trip you and than if I don't pay I feel paranoid or they'll skimp on food to punish me (passive aggression.) I rarely go out anymore. It's not fun and already expensive. Food typically isn't healthy in the US anyhow. I'm down for a Costco $1.50 hot dog though a few times a year.
I would have asked for the manager right there and complained. Managers need to know this is taking place and they need to handle it immediately. If the manager gave me grief, I would have gone up the chain. I don't accept disrespectful behavior that borders criminal actions. Say it with me...EXTORTION! The implication of messing with her food was the act of coercion for the tip not received. The mere fact that her food was cold in 10 mins between interactions and service tells me that they did not prepare it completely which could have caused food poisoning. I know this sounds extreme but nowadays I don't trust anyone who demands a tip prior to service completion especially if said service was done by self service. Our tipping culture in the USA has been off the rails for a long time and I am tired of the BS.
See my comment above. The managers are encouraging this to avoid having to pay decent wages.
Load More Replies...It's becoming a thing in the UK, too - for take-outs/self-service, and it isn't mandatory. We have always tipped when we are very happy with the service sitting down in restaurants, but we, as a culture, HATE that kind of pressure the OP spoke about, especially as the UK employees have a decent wage over here, compared to the USA, - and the prices the OP mentioned shocked the socks off me. Wow! Govts are supposed to work FOR ALL the People, but that rarely happens anywhere nowadays (well, for a loooong time, now).
This would be when you say "Oh, I intend to leave a cash tip after I eat. How do I make sure THE KIOSK gets that money?"
Here in the UK we have laws that ensure the minimum wage is paid to serving staff. tips are for service that is better than expected.
Sometimes I really feel sorry for a lot of the inhabitants of the US (not all of them, look what you voted for...) I've been there but wont repeat the experience thank you. A tip should be for good service and only given after that has taken place. Hope you left a poor review for the place.
During the Covid I got carryout from Red Lobster and left $50 for handing me a $40 order. Not so much as a thank you. Kinda turned me against tipping even though I still tip 20% when sitting down to eat. Never could really grasp why, if the food is more expensive in one place or the other why should the tip be so much more even though the waitstaff does the same amount of work in either establisnment.
If I don't see a person I don't tip. Ur gonna hand me a bag over a counter still not tipping. Whoever is working there behind the counter or in the kitchen get hourly wages. People waiting tables don't. But then they are WAITING ON ME. Asking what I want and placing the order and bring it out and checking in on me. They get a tip. Unless it's a place where the tip Isn't needed BECAUSE A PLACE PAYS A FARE WAGE. I am not tipping at a McDs. And there is a coffee shop near me that asks what I want at the counter. I pay. It asks for a tip before I get my food. I don't tip. She isn't making my food. She's taking the order an directing me to another area to wait for it. No one is interacting it's just tip Culture that sucks and entitlement.
The solution to this problem is simple. Stop expecting people to work for tips, aka slavery, and instead pay them an actual living wage.
Glad I live in rural France prices displayed are the prices paid and normally there is a small box near the till where you can leave a tip or not as you please it is not expected just appreciated
This is nuts. Waiters/waitresses don't get paid like everyone else. They don't get minimum wage. That's why tipping became a thing. Restaurants couldn't pay their people at the time. Now it's just insane. Kiosks should have the tip option removed.
There is no way in hell i would ever tip on a self order kiosk. Or, in case of a fast food restaurant, at all. When i buy take out here in europe, i do not tip either, why would i? I havent tried the food yet, maybe ots awful? If it is good, i come back, that is the only contribution a restaurant owner will get from me. It is getting more and more that people who were never tipped before are now expecting it. The guy who fixed my toilet wants a tip, they guy who installed my stove wants a tip took even the damn AA guy who jumpstarted my motorbike expected a tip. I work retail, guess what, i explain functional clothing to a customer for 30 minutes, you think i get a tip? No, he asks for a discount 🙄. I think the whole tipping thing should be made illegal so people dont feel bad if they so not tip the guy who brings them a damn coffee
.... you're expected to tip 20% blah blah. No, I tip what I feel is appropriate IF the service is professional and the food is good. An expected "tip" isn't a tip at all. Restaurants that don't pay their folks enough....deserve to fail. Period. The workers expecting customers to supplement their wages are trying to cheat on their taxes.
Its nor the workers cheating on taxes. So for years, the IRS did the honor system with reporting tips. Every tine they tried to increase the ninimum wage for wait staff, there was pushback from restaurant owners. The original theory was " lower ninimu wage + tips " =" normal minimun wage". But as the ninimun wage increased but wait staff minimun wage didnt, more and more people were falling under. So rather than upping the minimun wage fir the wait staff, they told theowners " if the combined wage + tip is less than the current minimun wage, the iwner gas to pay the difference. Then the iwners started aggressively pitching " you should get a tip", to save themselces from dipping into their pockets. This is 100 % on the owners.
Load More Replies...Acfast food place if I order off a kiosk I won't tip but a different restaurant thatbI order off a kiosk I will leavecactio but no 15-20%. I will leave at the max 10%. So if your order was $30, I would have left at the max ax 3 tip. They are making your food and providing a little bit of service. They workers are probably making less than minimum wage.
I just tipped when prompted even when i thought it was ridiculous. Until... I bought a fairly expensive kayak online. Like >2k tandem pedal kayak. Never talked to a human and during checkout I'm prompted for a tip. Starting at 15% and going to 25%. What is the tip for. The 2500$ was the product. Even a 15% tip would be 375$ if I'm tipping for the cost to build or labor then what is the 2500$ for? I waited tables for a bit and my mom was a bar tender growing up so I've always been a good tipper but people want tips for everything now it's crazy.
Service people depend on your tips and therefore should provide great service. If the server isn't good their tip lessens. If they are bad, I'll stiff them. I worked many, many years depending on tips. But I am not tipping a machine. It's so sad establishments like the one mentioned don't pay what employees they require enough so that they fight for tips they don't even have a chance to work for. I'm not tipping no machine.
Normally a tip is given afterwards, based in the quality if the service and food.
A lot of these AITA stories are fake and I don't know why board panda insists upon reporting them. To be clear, not saying this one is...
I have a little Italian place that makes a very good calzone; I mean it's great, but there's literally no service performed (unless you consider placing napkins/forks in the bag. But, the order kiosk asks for a tip before I've even received my food. They do have a couple of tables that you could eat at if you wanted to, but they don't serve you there. What to do? I wimp out and give a 10% tip. If the food wasn't as good as it is I wouldn't go back. The only employee I ever see is the one who greets me from behind the counter. Once I've made my order he goes to the back and then a bit later brings out the food.
Tip your servers. They deserve it. Servers tip out to the rest of the staff like bussers who clean up after you. Seriously disgusted by these comments.
You're actually tipping the kitchen staff...those who actually prepare your food.
You're tipping the kitchen staff...the ones who actually prepare your food.
I try to be a decent citizen under capitalism and tip at least 20% for services unless the service was actively bad (looking at you, Uber driver who drove 15-20 mph over the speed limit and had your seat down so low I'm not sure you could see over the steering wheel.) Key word being 'services.' If you actually did something for me, served my table, drove the car, delivered something, I'll tip. If you never came out from behind the counter, nope.
it's a hidden mandatory tax, so communism, not capitalism.
Load More Replies...I don't tip on card, IRS taxes tips so I don't leave paper record for them. I also tell staff that is why.
Sorry, as a former IRS auditor, I can tell you that the IRS has at least three ways of determining how much a server gets tipped in a year. I handled at least one such case (which I resolved in the server's favor).
Load More Replies...Well, one can hope this will get better in January, new government and all (just guessing this was in the US of A by the $ signs in the price 😂)
As someone from the other side of the ocean I wonder how exactly this would happen. Can you tell me about that?
Load More Replies...1 in 8 Americans have worked in a McDonalds. That's upwards of 41 million people. Now add in all the other restaurants and the number becomes significantly larger. Many of them were working these jobs to support their studies and then go on to earn significantly more. Your arrogant áss can get lost.
Load More Replies...OR maybe they just charge what they actually want for the meal in order to pay people a real wage and not expect the tips to be part of the paycheck?
Load More Replies...The entire concept of tipping was to reward your server, bartender, taxi driver, etc, for providing good service. This new culture of asking for a tip BEFORE providing a service (or for providing no actual service at all) is a load of c**p.
"Others might have beautiful decor; take all this into consideration and tip accordingly." WHAT? I don't tip for decor, I tip for SERVICE by a HUMAN! When I walk into a restaurant of any kind and am forced to order from a kiosk or a tablet or have to scan a barcode for the menu or download an app, I turn around and walk right back out.
Others might have beautiful decor 😂😂 yes, you should be tipping for the beauty your eyeballs get to see.
Load More Replies...Little Ceasars Pizza asked for a tip. All they did was walk pizza from kitchen to pick up kiosk. It's like. . There's a reason I'm buying cheap $7 Little Ceasars pizza 🍕 🤷♀️ lol and not better grade pizza. Start posting warning ⚠️ reviews on the places pages so others can be aware what to expect with tipping.
I'm betting this was in the US. Restaurants put signs up saying "our servers survive and rely on your tips" it's a joke.. sorry but I'm not going to pay your employees wage bc the owner is too cheap to pay it themselves. I just was at a fully automatic store (no staff to be seen) it asked for a tip when I was checking out.
The sign should say "The owner prospers by not paying his servers a livable wage. Please subsidize his business."
Load More Replies...My entire career was in the food industry. That said, tipping is out of hand. I hate tipping on carryout. I have had three times where something was missing from the same place - chicken missing twice on salad, no dressing. Since the pressure to tip is so high now, I just stopped going there.
My first career was food service. And tipping has gotton out of hand. Knowing that wait staff ninimun wage has increased 13 cents in the 40 odd years since i was a server make me sad and i get what the standard has gone from 10-15 % to 20 - 25%. I cant help but wonder if restaurants are classify the people bringing food to table after you use kiosk as " wait staff" and paying the lower min wage ( about 2.40 now ) so that is why they are asking for tips.
Load More Replies...Just Eat (in the UK) add the text on the bill: "We've added a Service Charge to help us so we can learn how we can do better" - and then also ask for a tip (take-outs). #RipOffMerchants I deleted my Account with them, and go to individual Take-out restaurants myself.
Load More Replies...I despise tipping culture. Just put the proper price in the menu for crying out loud.
To say the least. I have cancelled numerous orders and gone elsewhere when the automatic tipping screen comes up. One wouldn't let me proceed without entering at least a 20% tip before the service was even rendered (the damn iPad program "recommended" tipping in excess of 25+%). Tipping in the US has gone out of control.
Load More Replies...I think we need to call out the owners and managers of these types of "restaurants" as the source of this pressure to tip. They are the ones telling their staff that tips are an integral part of their earnings rather than paying real wages. All of the tech investments the restaurants have made in kiosks and such was done to lessen the amount of staff they needed to hire. Some of that cost savings should go to good salaries rather than telling customers that they are paying staff salaries through tips.
I won't pre+tip for any reason, but I support local businesses who have wait staff with fairly generous tips most of the time, because I get how hard it is. Mom and I both agreed, for the first time ever, to not tip after a bad experience at a local place recently. I asked for milk for my grits, and she snappy that it didn't come with milk I asked just for two ounces in the side then, and she got nasty and said they didn't have enough and I couldn't have any. It is worse because she owns half the place. So, not only no tip, but also a big fat warning review online. What was so wrong with just politely saying that milk was not available? I would have accepted it. But she has been repeatedly nasty. Mom also contact the other owners, whom she knows and is friends with. We are not returning.
ALL "tipping" is inappropriate. Service businesses that pay less than legal minimum are wage thieves.
So I’m not in the US, so don’t have a tipping culture mentality. However, if tips are expected, and seemingly mandatory if you expect to get what you ordered properly made, why not include the tip in overall cost and pay staff higher. Get rid of tips altogether and just charge the asking price. Make it simple guys!
Papa Murphy's forces a non-zero tip online. It's truly a scam because they were paying their employees a legal wage before, then they added tipping on top of that. The employees don't even take a step, just add their ingredients and slide it to the right.
I installed the Starbucks app because I don't like the idea of being asked to tip when I go there about once a month or so.
A lot of this fairly recent "pressure to tip" stems from the newer POS (point of sale) systems. Although newer restaurant and store employees may not understand this either. It provides a tipping option in order to increase the client base for companies selling the system. I do tip 20% minimum for anyone providing a service, restaurant delivery or eat in, hair salons, rideshare, etc. I tip 10% for some takeout, like my local Chinese restaurant because they get the order together, pack the rice, even cook some appetizers while I wait. I am in the US however, where tipping for this work is customary and in restaurants staff aren't even paid close to minimum wage because antiquated federal law allows it. It also allows parents to use children as employees in their businesses. Time for a big change!
I don't know why anyone would tip at a take out restaurant. Or one you order by using a kiosk. The price of the meal covers the cost of food and labor to produce the food. Someone handing you a bag is nothing more than someone handing you a bag. It's not actual. I would have sent the food back to be properly cooked. And asked to see that manager so that we could discuss the employee's attitude problem.
Load More Replies...When that happens just tell them you tip in cash and would leave it on the table for the server.
Let’s get pissed off at the owners of these places who are using the public to make up the difference between the pittance they pay their employees and an actual livable wage. That’s the crux of the issue, and the actual culprits for the problem. Let’s start chewing THEM a new a*****e or two or three, and get them to pay their people what they deserve—-enough to live on from working just one job—-instead of cheating them out of that basic right by being f*****g greedy, selfish, thieving skinflints.
I usually give the homeless the tip when leaving a fast food joint. Theres always a few around. Everywhere asks for tips. It's unbelievable. They guilt trip you and than if I don't pay I feel paranoid or they'll skimp on food to punish me (passive aggression.) I rarely go out anymore. It's not fun and already expensive. Food typically isn't healthy in the US anyhow. I'm down for a Costco $1.50 hot dog though a few times a year.
I would have asked for the manager right there and complained. Managers need to know this is taking place and they need to handle it immediately. If the manager gave me grief, I would have gone up the chain. I don't accept disrespectful behavior that borders criminal actions. Say it with me...EXTORTION! The implication of messing with her food was the act of coercion for the tip not received. The mere fact that her food was cold in 10 mins between interactions and service tells me that they did not prepare it completely which could have caused food poisoning. I know this sounds extreme but nowadays I don't trust anyone who demands a tip prior to service completion especially if said service was done by self service. Our tipping culture in the USA has been off the rails for a long time and I am tired of the BS.
See my comment above. The managers are encouraging this to avoid having to pay decent wages.
Load More Replies...It's becoming a thing in the UK, too - for take-outs/self-service, and it isn't mandatory. We have always tipped when we are very happy with the service sitting down in restaurants, but we, as a culture, HATE that kind of pressure the OP spoke about, especially as the UK employees have a decent wage over here, compared to the USA, - and the prices the OP mentioned shocked the socks off me. Wow! Govts are supposed to work FOR ALL the People, but that rarely happens anywhere nowadays (well, for a loooong time, now).
This would be when you say "Oh, I intend to leave a cash tip after I eat. How do I make sure THE KIOSK gets that money?"
Here in the UK we have laws that ensure the minimum wage is paid to serving staff. tips are for service that is better than expected.
Sometimes I really feel sorry for a lot of the inhabitants of the US (not all of them, look what you voted for...) I've been there but wont repeat the experience thank you. A tip should be for good service and only given after that has taken place. Hope you left a poor review for the place.
During the Covid I got carryout from Red Lobster and left $50 for handing me a $40 order. Not so much as a thank you. Kinda turned me against tipping even though I still tip 20% when sitting down to eat. Never could really grasp why, if the food is more expensive in one place or the other why should the tip be so much more even though the waitstaff does the same amount of work in either establisnment.
If I don't see a person I don't tip. Ur gonna hand me a bag over a counter still not tipping. Whoever is working there behind the counter or in the kitchen get hourly wages. People waiting tables don't. But then they are WAITING ON ME. Asking what I want and placing the order and bring it out and checking in on me. They get a tip. Unless it's a place where the tip Isn't needed BECAUSE A PLACE PAYS A FARE WAGE. I am not tipping at a McDs. And there is a coffee shop near me that asks what I want at the counter. I pay. It asks for a tip before I get my food. I don't tip. She isn't making my food. She's taking the order an directing me to another area to wait for it. No one is interacting it's just tip Culture that sucks and entitlement.
The solution to this problem is simple. Stop expecting people to work for tips, aka slavery, and instead pay them an actual living wage.
Glad I live in rural France prices displayed are the prices paid and normally there is a small box near the till where you can leave a tip or not as you please it is not expected just appreciated
This is nuts. Waiters/waitresses don't get paid like everyone else. They don't get minimum wage. That's why tipping became a thing. Restaurants couldn't pay their people at the time. Now it's just insane. Kiosks should have the tip option removed.
There is no way in hell i would ever tip on a self order kiosk. Or, in case of a fast food restaurant, at all. When i buy take out here in europe, i do not tip either, why would i? I havent tried the food yet, maybe ots awful? If it is good, i come back, that is the only contribution a restaurant owner will get from me. It is getting more and more that people who were never tipped before are now expecting it. The guy who fixed my toilet wants a tip, they guy who installed my stove wants a tip took even the damn AA guy who jumpstarted my motorbike expected a tip. I work retail, guess what, i explain functional clothing to a customer for 30 minutes, you think i get a tip? No, he asks for a discount 🙄. I think the whole tipping thing should be made illegal so people dont feel bad if they so not tip the guy who brings them a damn coffee
.... you're expected to tip 20% blah blah. No, I tip what I feel is appropriate IF the service is professional and the food is good. An expected "tip" isn't a tip at all. Restaurants that don't pay their folks enough....deserve to fail. Period. The workers expecting customers to supplement their wages are trying to cheat on their taxes.
Its nor the workers cheating on taxes. So for years, the IRS did the honor system with reporting tips. Every tine they tried to increase the ninimum wage for wait staff, there was pushback from restaurant owners. The original theory was " lower ninimu wage + tips " =" normal minimun wage". But as the ninimun wage increased but wait staff minimun wage didnt, more and more people were falling under. So rather than upping the minimun wage fir the wait staff, they told theowners " if the combined wage + tip is less than the current minimun wage, the iwner gas to pay the difference. Then the iwners started aggressively pitching " you should get a tip", to save themselces from dipping into their pockets. This is 100 % on the owners.
Load More Replies...Acfast food place if I order off a kiosk I won't tip but a different restaurant thatbI order off a kiosk I will leavecactio but no 15-20%. I will leave at the max 10%. So if your order was $30, I would have left at the max ax 3 tip. They are making your food and providing a little bit of service. They workers are probably making less than minimum wage.
I just tipped when prompted even when i thought it was ridiculous. Until... I bought a fairly expensive kayak online. Like >2k tandem pedal kayak. Never talked to a human and during checkout I'm prompted for a tip. Starting at 15% and going to 25%. What is the tip for. The 2500$ was the product. Even a 15% tip would be 375$ if I'm tipping for the cost to build or labor then what is the 2500$ for? I waited tables for a bit and my mom was a bar tender growing up so I've always been a good tipper but people want tips for everything now it's crazy.
Service people depend on your tips and therefore should provide great service. If the server isn't good their tip lessens. If they are bad, I'll stiff them. I worked many, many years depending on tips. But I am not tipping a machine. It's so sad establishments like the one mentioned don't pay what employees they require enough so that they fight for tips they don't even have a chance to work for. I'm not tipping no machine.
Normally a tip is given afterwards, based in the quality if the service and food.
A lot of these AITA stories are fake and I don't know why board panda insists upon reporting them. To be clear, not saying this one is...
I have a little Italian place that makes a very good calzone; I mean it's great, but there's literally no service performed (unless you consider placing napkins/forks in the bag. But, the order kiosk asks for a tip before I've even received my food. They do have a couple of tables that you could eat at if you wanted to, but they don't serve you there. What to do? I wimp out and give a 10% tip. If the food wasn't as good as it is I wouldn't go back. The only employee I ever see is the one who greets me from behind the counter. Once I've made my order he goes to the back and then a bit later brings out the food.
Tip your servers. They deserve it. Servers tip out to the rest of the staff like bussers who clean up after you. Seriously disgusted by these comments.
You're actually tipping the kitchen staff...those who actually prepare your food.
You're tipping the kitchen staff...the ones who actually prepare your food.
I try to be a decent citizen under capitalism and tip at least 20% for services unless the service was actively bad (looking at you, Uber driver who drove 15-20 mph over the speed limit and had your seat down so low I'm not sure you could see over the steering wheel.) Key word being 'services.' If you actually did something for me, served my table, drove the car, delivered something, I'll tip. If you never came out from behind the counter, nope.
it's a hidden mandatory tax, so communism, not capitalism.
Load More Replies...I don't tip on card, IRS taxes tips so I don't leave paper record for them. I also tell staff that is why.
Sorry, as a former IRS auditor, I can tell you that the IRS has at least three ways of determining how much a server gets tipped in a year. I handled at least one such case (which I resolved in the server's favor).
Load More Replies...Well, one can hope this will get better in January, new government and all (just guessing this was in the US of A by the $ signs in the price 😂)
As someone from the other side of the ocean I wonder how exactly this would happen. Can you tell me about that?
Load More Replies...1 in 8 Americans have worked in a McDonalds. That's upwards of 41 million people. Now add in all the other restaurants and the number becomes significantly larger. Many of them were working these jobs to support their studies and then go on to earn significantly more. Your arrogant áss can get lost.
Load More Replies...OR maybe they just charge what they actually want for the meal in order to pay people a real wage and not expect the tips to be part of the paycheck?
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