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“Pay For The Sewer Scope”: 60 Homeowners Give First-Time Buyers Key Advice
Interview With Expert
Having a place to call your own is a dream come true for many—if not most—people around the globe. Renting is fine, of course, but when you truly own the property, there’s a lot of freedom and security that comes with this. Not only can you unleash your genius interior decorator, but you also don’t have to answer to a landlord.
However, purchasing your first property can be absolutely daunting. You’re putting down a huge amount of money, and you want the house or apartment to be great (or, well, at least good). We’ve collected some of the most hard-earned lessons from first-time homebuyers from an interesting discussion on r/FirstTimeHomeBuyer, including the things they regret the most. Scroll down for their nuggets of wisdom.
Bored Panda wanted to find out what people buying their first homes should be aware of to minimize future regrets, so we reached out to G. Brian Davis, a real estate investor and the co-founder of SparkRental.com. He was kind enough to share his insights and advice, which you'll find as you read on.
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#1
Unless you have concrete plans to get engaged and married soon, I would not buy together. People break up all the time, and sorting that out and selling a home you co-own is a nightmare—especially if you are not equally contributing to the down payment and monthly mortgage.
Donna Peluda 3 days ago
Can agree more. I did this with my GF in the 90. We bought it together. When we broke up she was supposed to stay there but didn't pay the mortgage. I was renting and couldn't cover the mortgage so basically the house got repossessed and for 7 years I couldn't put money in the back. The bank auction and I never saw a penny. Lost everything.
According to Davis, from SparkRental.com, homebuyers should understand the concept of 'breakeven horizon.' "Owning a home comes with tens of thousands of dollars in closing costs, some on the front end when you buy and others on the back end when you sell. It takes years for a home to appreciate enough in value to offset those costs," he explained to Bored Panda.
"Exactly how long will depend on your local market conditions over the next few years. But as a general rule, expect it to take 3-7 years on average for you to break even on your home. That makes homeownership a long-term commitment. Only buy a home if you plan to live there for at least five years or so. Otherwise, you’re probably better off continuing to rent and enjoying the flexibility it provides," he said.
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#2
It was midnight. Our third night in the house. The chirping began.
It was the highest smoke detector in the vaulted ceiling in our living room.
Luckily we had 9-volt batteries and had bought a ladder that day. We lucked out.
Make sure you have 9-volt batteries. Even hard-wired smoke detectors will beep when the backup batteries die.
My boyfriend says every homeowner needs a ladder and a shop-vac.
#3
Water. Look out for the risk from water. Can be invisible risk for years. In a mostly flat landscape, the water risk from being near low points can be invisible. The local creek may have been buried in a sewer system. But when there’s torrential rain, suddenly the sewer system will back up into the basements of all the houses near the low points. Closely examine the basement for evidence of earlier water damage which has been buried behind new Sheetrock or wall to wall.
Nimitz 3 days ago
Former fire/flood restoration tech here. If you own your own home, make sure you have a sump pump set up for your drainage, yes, but nowadays it's common to actually install a second as a backup. They're pricey to install in old homes, but with all the "once in a century" storms happening because of climate change, you will be so glad you installed it. You would not believe how many water damage claims I've been to where the owner had a good pump, but it burned out during a flood. Meanwhile, neighbors with a backup pump stayed dry
Davis suggested that homebuyers keep their future needs in mind, not just their current ones, when choosing a home. "If you plan to have children, that urban rowhome might not make sense. Likewise, if your kids are about to leave the nest, it may not make sense to buy a large suburban home. If you aren’t 100% sure about a city or neighborhood, try renting there for a year first to make sure you want to commit long-term. How do you feel about the noise level? Traffic? Commutes? Safety? Walkability? Taxes?"
He advised that you should spend a week renting an Airbnb in the prospective neighborhood if you can't spend a year living there. "Get a sense for what it’s like to live within a few blocks where you’re thinking about buying. Live your regular routine as much as possible, including both workdays and weekends," he told Bored Panda in an email.
#4
The location is more important than you think. Your realtor is not looking out for your best interest.
#5
Pay for the sewer scope. Just closed less than a month ago and just found out we have to replace most of the plumbing. Yay homeownership.
Uncle Panda 3 days ago (edited)
I completely replaced the plumbing in my 90+ year old house. I didn't intend to. All I wanted to do was replace a leaky canister filter. Using normal tools and forces to separate steel plumbing fixtures, the main line from the well shattered over a 2' long section. It was also almost completely blocked with iron and sediment. Of course, all of the pipes were in that condition. It's all PEX now.
#6
Do not underestimate the amount of work required for a “fixer upper”. Yes it sounds fun, but it takes a special kind of buyer. In hindsight, I’m very glad I chose a move-in ready home, there’s enough work to do as-is.
Tucker Cahooter 3 days ago
Those TV shows though make it look so simple. You buy the fixer-upper and then smash everything down with a sledgehammer until all you have left standing is the slab
We asked Davis how someone can be sure that a property is 'good enough' for them. He said this holds true if a property meets all of your needs and most of your reasonable wants.
"Get extremely clear on both. Write them out alongside your partner and then prioritize your wants. Make sure you and your partner are both on the same page, and if you’re not, keep negotiating until you get to a place where you can both live with the compromises—without resenting the other partner," the co-founder of SparkRental.com explained.
"Finally, scope out the local schools well before buying, if you have school-age children. Physically visit the schools, talk to the administrators and teachers. Speak with parents whose kids go there. Post in local community forums asking parents for their candid feedback. Check the ratings on Greatschools.org."
#7
When I bought my first home I was given some good advice. Which is to wait 6 months on any Non-Absolutely necessary project. If you think it is still important after 6 months then do it. .
#8
Make sure home inspector actually gets into the attic during inspection. 🙄 Apparently my inspector had MS and didnt. I didn't know that until my ceiling sprung a leak 5 weeks after closing. Needless to say repairs were covered and I got an inspection refund and an apology. But that could have been catastrophic for my $178k first home purchase! I was pissed!!!
Ashtophet’sRevenge 3 days ago
You should always be there during the inspection. Otherwise you have no idea what the find vs ignore/miss.
#9
Start learning small repairs. Such as changing a wall outlet or switch, covering a hole inside or outside, installing a door or door k**b, leaky faucet, change a toilet handle, etc…
The more you can do on your own, the more will save you from calling for a repair service. Most just charge to come out and inspect/assess the issue and then give you a rate. And some services charge extra to come out on a weekend, like AC repair.
If you’re flabbergasted by property prices in your local area, you always have the option of buying homes in Italy for just one euro (a little over a dollar). CNN reports that in Penne, Italy’s Abruzzo region, you can buy abandoned homes extremely cheaply if you commit to restyling them. The goal is to stop the depopulation in the area.
“The only requirement is that buyers commit to restyling these houses in three years, but we ask for no downpayment guarantee to start the works. We really want to encourage and support those who come to revive the ancient neighborhood,” Penne’s mayor, Gilberto Petrucci, told CNN.
#10
Best advice I got on buying a house: don't listen to your parents
They're too out of touch with what the current market is like for first time home buyers.
Nadine Debard 3 days ago
Not all parents. My father in law was an insurance expert and he knew the value of every possible thing and inspected the house. He was more than welcome and gave solid advice.
#11
Road noise sucks. If you can at all avoid it, do so. Location matters. The better a location you can buy in, the more appreciation of your home value is possible. Also, if you choose to sell, it’ll sell quicker if it’s in a better location.
#12
I went into my first home without a single dollar on a credit card. Not so much anymore....those Home Depot and Lowes card got quite the workout for the first 8 months. It's settling down now.
Until something breaks.
I will say, learn to be handy if you aren't. I saved hundreds of dollars cleaning my own gutters and replacing a thermocouple on my furnace. I learned a lot too. YouTube is your friend!
“We have a team of architects and experts who may advise and support in the renovation works, finding builders and surveyors, showing buyers through renderings what their home will look like once fixed, and advising throughout the renovation stages,” the mayor added.
The starting cost to do some basic restyling for a small to medium-sized house, according to Petrucci, is around 20k euros (nearly 21.7k dollars at the time of writing).
#13
Be mentally prepared for how much furniture costs, and how long it could take to arrive if you’re buying something new… lots of furniture is back ordered or takes 3-6 months to ship.
The first few weeks you’ll notice a lot of things that feel urgent but after a while you may get used to the quirks of your house. I had to adjust to how cold it is without heating on all the time, or how long it takes for the water to heat up. We were considering installing a water recirculation or instant heater but eventually I got used to just waiting longer for the water to heat up.
The Big Bad 3 days ago
Couple of tips: 1. Some second hand stuff is still great 2. Big furniture stores sometimes have an outlet section (or wait for sale) 3. Buy display furniture 4. Always try to get a discount of you're spending a lot. I once worked for a big furniture store and they always took discounts into account (back then they held 10% for 10k for instance)
#14
Diatomaceous earth. You will need it eventually. I had ants one summer and a roach setup shop in my fridge in the fall. Diatomaceous earth meant the difference and bought time while I waited for the exterminator appointment.
#15
F**k home inspectors. Hire a tradesperson that you trust — an electrician, a plumber, a roofer, etc. and pay them their hourly rate to come out and do an inspection and give your their honest opinion about the shape of things and if the work was done well. I wish I had done this. My home inspector came highly recommended and he honestly didn’t know a d**n thing in retrospect.
Šimon Špaček 3 days ago
I have a roofer friend. He can do pretty much all the building things, he says that there are only two things he refuses to do, electricity and gas (he will prepare it, but plugging it in is for professional). When he couldn't work as roofer, he started working as inspector and he loved it. Walking through the building areas, telling builders what they screwed up and then showing them how they were supposed to do it was great (they DID know how to do it, but cutting corners is faster and easier and they thought that an inspector will not know).
The thing to keep in mind when buying homes—and, well, doing pretty much anything else in life—is that there is no such thing as ‘perfection.’ It’s good to have standards and to know what you want in life. However, you have to be practical, reasonable, and flexible when you can’t get exactly what you want.
If you keep chasing perfection, you might ignore other high-quality opportunities that come your way. You need to consider whether the house or apartment matches most of the qualities you want without focusing too much on the tiny details. If the core aspects of the home are good (the foundation, plumbing, wiring, etc.) and it feels like a good long-term investment, you shouldn’t get too hung up on the color of the walls or that the layout doesn’t 100% match your daydreams.
#16
"What's this stain/spot?"
"Oh, not sure, been there since we moved in."
Water damage from an active leak. That's what it is. Trust no one. Don't trust the realtor, don't trust the bank, and trust the sellers and their agent least of all. Assume everyone is a lying piece of s**t trying to unload onto you what the last lying piece of s**t loaded onto them. Everyone is lying, just assume that out the gate. No one cares about you. You're not paranoid. You're not being a hassle. You're not being rude. Trust no one.
Kabuki Kitsune 3 days ago
Buy some lead test kits (cheap at most big box stores), and a moisture meter. All told you can expect to pay under 100 bucks for both. This will save you quite a headache, and help you figure out potential problems before they start. IF the relator refuses to allow you to perform those tests, leave.
#17
If you like an appliance and listing says it’s included, take pictures and try and grab the serial number so it can be included in future at closing. We had the sellers switch out a high end appliance with cheap used one.
#18
It’s way more expensive than just the closing costs and monthly payment. We bought a few months ago and have already spent over 50k in various projects we either wanted or needed to do. Thankful to have the income to support it, but I know a lot of people do not think beyond the closing costs and monthly payment when buying.
BeesEelsAndPups 3 days ago
Yes, your rent is the MOST you will pay for that apartment each month. Your mortgage is the LEAST you will pay for your house each month.
In a similar vein, if the house is decently priced, near good schools, close to work, and in a safe neighborhood, that’s what matters more than the molding or roof tiles being a different style than you want. If you have enough spare resources and willpower, you’ll be able to change those details to your liking after you’ve bought the home. But for now, focus on the essentials.
Again, it’s good to have standards and you shouldn’t buy the first thing that comes your way. You need to put in the time and energy to do a thorough inspection of the property (hire a professional if you don’t have any experience here) and the neighborhood.
But whatever happens, it’s likely that your first home won’t be your dream home. Eventually, you’ll look for other properties, especially if you start making more money, have to move for work, or decide to start a family. Your needs and wants will change, so you’ll look into buying a home elsewhere.
#19
Stressing so badly about mythical problems that don’t exist (yet) is a problem that you need to work. Relax, build your savings and you’ll be prepared for anything.
Ashtophet’sRevenge 3 days ago
Well, almost anything. You had a good home inspection before the sale, right?
#20
Get preapproved before you do any searching so as not to get your hopes up and waste you and your agent’s time.
The Starsong Princess 3 days ago
Spend no more than 2/3 os the amount you get pre approved for. If you spend the full amount, you will be house poor.
#21
If the furniture seems to be in an odd layout on a room, make sure you check or get your inspector to check for any damage or structural issues. I have some very uneven floors that I didn’t notice because furniture was covering those areas during my walk throughs, and thinking back I remember thinking why do they have the furniture laid out like that.
How did your first time buying a home go, dear Pandas? What mistakes did you make that you’d warn others not to repeat? On the flip side, what went right? How did you decide that that particular property was right for you?
We’d love to hear all about your experiences, so if you have a moment, share yours in the comments.
#22
You don't have to do or fix every little thing right away. Sit back and evaluate the must-do from the nice-to-have projects. Your life will be so much less stressful.
Uncle Panda 3 days ago
I spent the first six months racing between the top of a ladder and the nearest hardware store, always with a list in hand. At some point, I asked a friend "when does it stop?" "It never stops." "Then why am I racing?" I was able to throttle it back after that.
#23
Make sure the previous owner pulled all the proper permits.
Skywitness 3 days ago
That's actually huge. One home we toured had converted the garage to a living space. There was no record of that house having pulled a permit. The city could easily have required the new homeowner to convert that space back to a garage.
#24
Anybody that has an interest in you making the purchase is to be trusted with a grain of salt.
Scott Rackley 2 days ago
The problem with your examples, Christos, is that doctors, dentists, and accountants take an oath. Which they are legally held to.
#25
Try to visit a house on a rainy day or after a heavy rain. As other people have said, water is a fickle beast and it's good to get a sense of what is going on with the house.
Look VERY carefully at the walls, windows, cabinets, and other places you might gloss over on a first or second walkthrough. I totally missed mid-sized projects I would need to tackle once moving in....
Ask the inspector a LOT of questions. Get a sewer scope done and a radon test....it will all be great negotiating tools later AND it will help you plan out future fixes.
Make sure you know exactly what your comfort limit is on budgeting. Run some calculations on a high appraisal, lower appraisal, etc. Knowing exactly what you can afford and what you are willing to pay are very different things.
Try to find out how much $$ the previous owner (or folks in the neighborhood) pay for utilities. I have been a bit blindsided by those hidden costs!
Rali Meyer 3 days ago
Visit the house on a workday and drive to work from there, at 07:00 - not on a sunday
#26
One of my key things is what you are seeing outside your windows. And do you have an opportunity to create a nice view. You may not have that chance out all windows but it you can have a nice shot of nature in one or two directions, even if you have to create a garden, it's a luxury. I feel like you can always fix up the inside however you like which is why I'm always so focused on what surrounds and/ or if there is a nice patio or balcony or yard space.
Sara Frazer 2 days ago (edited)
When we moved in to our house several years ago, across the street was a vacant field, often occupied by crows or ducks. Past that was a treeline then a clear view of Mt. Rainier. We often sat on the porch in the evening and watched the mountain turn pink with the sunset. Such a view was quite the rarity in our city! Within a couple years they had developed that field and erected a huge ugly gray modern building :p now we only see about 1/3 of Mt. Rainier. But hey, since it's the county's 911 building, our street has become very safe compared to the surrounding area! There's always security and usually police in the parking lot, and it's a 24-hour facility. So, we lost the view, but our section of street is a lot safer! (We live in a pretty sketchy city) 😂
#27
Closed on 9/30 with my boyfriend. Here’s my comments/advice:
-it takes more money than you think. More than just home maintenance. There were fees for EVERYTHING. My inspection was $600 alone. Be prepared to have that up front.
-Don’t be afraid to ask stupid questions. It’s better to know and look silly for asking than to look silly later for not knowing.
-if possible, try to set yourself up to have plenty of move in time. We have a month for our rental lease to be up & are very thankful because there are so many tasks (cleaning walls/baseboards, redoing flooring) that would have been annoying to do with all our stuff inside.
-If you‘be set aside time to see a few houses in one day, rank them in comparison with one another. Point out things you loved and hated (not liked and disliked). That’ll help better understand what you really want/need. It’s very easy to get woo-ed by the showing setup/Zillow pictures.
And last of all, don’t stress about it all too much! It’ll all work out!
#28
It’s remarkable how many wet basements would be dry if people would simply take care of their gutters and make sure the leaders carry the water far enough away.
My first house took in quite a bit of water the first time it rained. I remember thinking how was it so dry when I placed the offer. Turns out the homeowners removed the leaders and stashed them under the porch. I guess they thought it made the house look better. That was the easiest fix I ever had.
Be aware of situations like that where potential problems were covered up.
That house also had a door next to the kitchen that went out to a closed porch. What I didn’t notice was the storm door that wasn’t there. As soon as winter came the condensation on the inside of that door was unbelievable. That’s when I realized there had been a storm door there that they removed. It was relatively easy to install and it would have been taken care of sooner if I had been aware.
Every time I’ve looked at a house since then I look for things that are missing. It’s easier and cheaper to throw something away than to replace/repair it.
Since then I’ve looked at other homes that happen to have missing leaders, storm windows, storm doors etc. light switches that don’t seem to be connected we’re once upon a time connected to something that eventually broke and was removed. Waste disposals are popular item to remove instead of replace too.
#29
My wife and I are closing on Wednesday evening and getting the keys Thursday. For reference, we were at the beginning stages the last week of June.
**The biggest thing I learned**: The option period took us off guard, but it didn't have to be that stressful. You get the inspection done during this period and then complete negotiations. Our option period was 7 days, which felt like enough time, but we ended up extending it an extra two days to bring in a specialist. I mistakenly thought that negotiations were completed AFTER the option period and not during.
I suggest having a plan related to specialists you already want to see the home. For us, that was a foundation company, but we also contacted a mold remediation specialist, a chimney sweep, a plumber, and an electrician, all for estimates. It's hard to know before the inspection, so it may be useful to pre-emptively look up contractors using the BBB zip code search and jotting down a few numbers per contractor type.
Here are some other tidbits we learned along the way that I found to be very helpful:
* Decide on which cost metric you prefer. We used the conservative version of the "30 %" rule, which is that all housing costs will not exceed 30 % of take-home salary (the standard version uses gross salary). A lot of people also use the 28 % rule. It's up to you.
* Put together a realistic cost estimate. Include the monthly mortgage payment with the range of approved interest rates (use loan amortization calculator for the specific value). Look up annual property tax and put it in for the sale value. Include estimates for homeowner's insurance, PMI, electric, water, sewer, garbage disposal, HOA, internet, etc. USE THIS AS THE "MONTHLY HOUSING COST."
* Once you know your monthly housing cost, figure out your price ceiling as dictated by your "XX % rule". This allows your budget to decide what you can afford and not the other way around.
* Use realtor.com. The listings on zillow do not update very quickly. We would ask our realtor to see 5 houses the next day based on zillow and 4 would already be on contingency. He suggested realtor, and we never had any issues.
* Your interest rate will be whatever the interest rate is when the underwriters approve your loan, not the preapproved value. Given how fast rates have been increasing, it would certainly be worthwhile to take advantage of rate locks. We were pre-approved at 5.375 % with a lock at 5.500 %. When our loan was approved, our credit union's mortgage rates were 6.500 %.
* Think very hard about engaging in a bidding war. Your best tool is time. There will always be other houses.
* Your second-best tool is walking away. Remember this while negotiating. Think through what would cause you to walk away from your offer during the option period. Don't be afraid of walking away after (e.g.) a $500 inspection. Consider it as paying $500 to learn that a (e.g.) $250,000 purchase it not worthwhile (read: don't fall for the sunk cost fallacy).
* When negotiating, it is tempting to ask for money off the cost of the house or for the owners to fix an issue. Keep in mind that the owner is trying to maximize profit, so they will fix things in a way that costs them the least. For house cost, you are unlikely to break even unless you are living in that house longer than 5-10 years (assuming it's not a huge drop that's also reflected in the appraisal); this is functionally a larger down payment or hoping you can do the needed repair for far less than estimated. Instead...
* ...consider asking for closing cost money. You'll be paying this at closing anyway, plus it gives you the benefit of choosing specific contractors and ensuring the work is done to your satisfaction. You can then decide if you want to save money by hiring cheaper contractors or doing some/all yourself.
#30
A lot of negative comments on this post. You don’t have to be married to buy a home together, and being married does not mean your relationship is more secure than someone that is married. My biggest advice is to work with a reputable lender and realtor, which it sounds like you are. And keep in mind, the mortgage you get now is not your forever mortgage. You always have the ability to refinance into a lower interest rate when they drop. Don’t let these bitter people drag you down. Go buy that home!
What do you think ?
Mel in Georgia 3 days ago
Don't buy a home with a water heater in the attic! Neighbor was out of town when theirs failed. Lord what a mess that was!
wobbly jelly 3 days ago
When looking at houses have things in your head of "where will it live" as sellers have tidied / hidden - my list was stuff like - where does ironing board / vac go - those not often used stuff - suitcases / christmas tree and my main one - where will the bikes go - as many houses have been carved out to make the max of space , but converting garage / loft means no storage. Also check at different time of day is it on school route / pub route etc
nicholas nolan 3 days ago
I don't know why I bothered reading this. I'm going to die in someone else's property.
Littlemiss 2 days ago
I know right? Yay rent, costs twice to three times as much as a mortgage here.
Mel in Georgia 3 days ago
Don't buy a home with a water heater in the attic! Neighbor was out of town when theirs failed. Lord what a mess that was!
wobbly jelly 3 days ago
When looking at houses have things in your head of "where will it live" as sellers have tidied / hidden - my list was stuff like - where does ironing board / vac go - those not often used stuff - suitcases / christmas tree and my main one - where will the bikes go - as many houses have been carved out to make the max of space , but converting garage / loft means no storage. Also check at different time of day is it on school route / pub route etc
nicholas nolan 3 days ago
I don't know why I bothered reading this. I'm going to die in someone else's property.
Littlemiss 2 days ago
I know right? Yay rent, costs twice to three times as much as a mortgage here.
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