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I really want to punch that man in the face who first came up with this "order a bride" bullsh*t But wait I'm genuinely curious which country do these brides come from?? (This is genuine curiosity)

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It's not only one country. There are many countries where MOBs are a legitimate business. I couldn't really find that it is illegal anywhere (except Philippines) with the only hurdles being each country's immigration laws. Some posts from MOBs say it was 100% their idea to sign up for the service. They are happy, & in love with the person they married. It's also not just for "young innocent" women. There are MOB companies for older women who may be widowed or divorced, and are interested in finding a companion. Most of those MOBs say "mail order" is a bit of a misnomer these days, as there is typically a period where the interested party must fly to their country to get to know them, and often there is a "dating period." Also, if the service is legitimate, the MOB makes the decision to accept, not the man. I suppose if it's their choice & they are truly happy... However, some stories are pretty horrific , as the other side is that some of the MOB places are just trafficking fronts.

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Don't need to know whereby your knowledge on this subject has come from, but thank you for sharing it with us. Very informative.

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I knew a mail order bride. She worked for me for years. Personally, I thought her husband was lacking in the smarts department, but they were very much in love and raised three great kids.

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Google is your friend. I had no idea about MOBs but checked and found this: https://www.rosebrides.com/

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Ironically, the practice started out as a way for unmarried women that were either orphan, older, widows, undesirable, poor, or with a past (or present...) of prostitution to start a new life and have new opportunities. The decision was predominantly voluntary (except for orphans, it was a different deal), and in most cases was a remarkable improvement of life condition.

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So... prostitution on a permanent contract as opposed to pay per use prostitution. I love how we talk about how these decisions are "voluntary" and are somehow more palatable because it improved their 'life conditions'. Like choosing permanent prostitution instead of casual prostitution is a good choice. Or choosing permanent prostitution instead of starving to death. Or choosing permanent prostitution so your daughter can get an education and doesn't have to follow in your footsteps. If countries where MOB predominantly come from valued women's lives and had social security systems in place then, and only then, could we say they CHOSE this life. Sadly, that is not the case. They come from countries where they have no rights and no support.

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I see you severely misunderstood the item in discussion, and I see you are not debating in good faith, so let me just point out one thing before leaving you to your devices. Women who decided to migrate to the Colonies could -in most cases- actually CHOOSE their partner after exchanging letters and CHOOSE to emigrate in the Colony or territory of their CHOOSING where in many cases they could CHOOSE among some professions including respected ones like teacher or seamstress. They were free to CHOOSE not to go through the marriage (but this could lead to unpleasant situations with lack of income). They came from the same countries as the colonists (England, Spain, France, Portugal... all used some kind of scheme like this), where men also did not have much in terms of "rights" or "support", except maybe the opportunity to join the Army or the Navy. So yeah, life was hard for anyone, do of it what you want.

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You are talking about the position in the 1600s and I am referring to modern day exploitation of women, but ok, let do it that way. Firstly, women who willingly went to the colonies to become seamstresses and teachers were often middle-class women with an education and yes, they also chose their partners because women were in very high demand meaning the men had to win their affections. The same could be said of any modern-day middle-class women with an education and the means who CHOOSE to immigrate. This is in stark contrast to the poor who often were given the choice between jail and the colonies for stealing a loaf of bread. In a time when women were sent to men’s jails to be repeatedly raped, this does not represent a choice. They were shipped over purely to service the men and ensure that there were enough women to prevent fights amongst the settlers. This is comparable to modern day women in developing countries who “choose” a life of poverty or a life of sexual slavery.

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Secondly, as to the “rights” you refer to. Let’s count the rights shall we. Women could not vote. Women could not own land. Women could not have a bank account. Men could. Women with children were not employable at all. Women could not also join the army or the navy. There was no birth control. Women were not permitted to divorce their husbands and marital rape was just, well, a man’s right. A man could abandon his wife and children and go and build a new life no questions asked leaving their families in abject poverty and resorting to theft and prostitution just to survive. If you think life was hard for men, it was a 1000 times worse for women.

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THESE days of course, because that’s what we are truly talking about here, we don’t see a supply of mail order brides from countries with a social support system in place, or where the women have rights – because those women actually have a GENUINE CHOICE. They take women from the countries where they don’t have rights and where literally anything seems better than a life of abject poverty.

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You are talking about colonization and the HISTORY of immigration. This is not CURRENT practice of purchasing a sex slave.

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@zj9h6rdws4 this was a response to "I really want to punch that man in the face who first came up with this "order a bride" bullsh*t" -> no "man" came up with this. It started out of a practice instituted a long time ago to solve two issues at the same time.

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Well, freedom of choice is relative, isn't it?

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The ones with little recourse were the orphans, who at a certain age were shipped to the colonies without much say in the matter. These women, commonly known as "king's daughters" received a lump sum of money and were sent to find their own way in the colonies. They typically had little issues in finding a husband since there were on average 30 male colonists for each woman, and in most of the documented instances they settled into normal lives. Some even made their way into high ranking families by marrying soldiers, some went back to their homeland later on. The story of the French ones is the most well documented, and out of over 700 women sent to the colonies, only ONE is reported to have ended up in prostitution after her marriage broke down.

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European immigrants and probably from other regions, in the previous decades were bring to US girls from their country, even the same village, to marry them.

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Maybe think about why these women are agreeing to the arrangement. Many are from asian countries, but a more apt explanation is that they come from poor, developing countries everywhere. Many Women willingly OPT IN to the arraignment due to unemployment, war, food insecurity or simply because they want to immigrate to a better life...can't really place all the blame on men for this one.

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We can blame men for this:- two fold. Firstly, women who are exploited almost always come from very paternal and misogynist societies that are run and governed by men. Men who make laws to limit and curtail women's freedoms and rights and make it very difficult for them to exist outside a traditional marriage. They might be doing it for a better life, but they are unlikely to choose permanent prostitution in circumstances where they have rights and safety in their own country. Secondly, men are exploiting these extremely vulnerable women who have no rights and no options other than prostitution. Can you even imagine being the kind of man who would WANT a wife so submissive that she cannot even speak. That she can be controlled in every aspect of her life through threat of removing her visa. Men who respect women do not seek this out and you only need to look at the marketing to see the truth of it.

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Where did i comment, at all on the "mute" thing? I didn't, because i was responding to a question asked in the comments. Are there terrible people taking advantage? Absolutely, just like every other facet of life, doesn't mean it's terrible across the board or that it's facilitated and perpetuated by abuse. A large number of MoB are from the Philippines, currently ranked 16th globally in gender equality. Do i think it's creepy and f****d up? Yes, and you could make the same arguments about sex work, but look at the current view of that "industry" Whatever your personal opinions on the subject, it doesn't change the fact that a whole bunch of women willingly, and eagerly engage in the process....and many (not all) are benefiting from the arraignment...which is why it continues. No one exists in a vacuum. You don't get to blame one person for the party that others are involved in.

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My coworker at my last job was a mail order bride from the Philippines, and she was very happy with the arrangement. I can't say whether she loved her husband, but she's been with him more than 30 years. She talked about him fondly. She plans to retire there once she's old enough for social security. Must be a happy relationship, since he's going with her.

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Probably around Russia and somewhere in Asia.

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In the US, America's Next Top Model featured a MOB named Natalie Gal. Shes googlable and her husband allowed it. She got 2nd place i think and eventually left her husband. One good MOB outcome? I loathe it myself.

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"her husband allowed it" I see a failure here

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It's been a thing for centuries in some form or another. Often hand-in-hand with arranged marriages (not forced, mutually agreed arranged). It was incredibly common in the US during the massive influx of immigrants in the 1800s. Someone would advertise themselves or write off to their hometown looking for a spouse. Ditto village matchmakers working with other villages' matchmakers.

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My creepy grandpa married a 19 year old he ordered from the Philippines in the 80s. She was sweet and thankful. He was gross. She deserved so much better

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Poor countries, these days mostly south east asia and central asia, but at one time a lot from eastern europe

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The most common ones are Ukraine, Philippines, and used to be Russia

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Considering that marriage is, and always has been, a LEGAL contract, it's been around for a long time. It's really not much different from arranged marriage

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Countries where the men are truly terrified of women and they need to control them to feel like men

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Men are so intimidated by women - that they buy mute women! Nothing says micro-penis more.

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I watched a doc about 10 years ago that followed the lives of mail order brides. Only 1 marriage lasted and seemed happy . Out of 2 dozen all of the brides left as soon as they could legally stay in the country without a husband. Husband came home from work and they were gone. The men who think these women actually love then are complete morons. Mail order is a gateway out of poverty and a ticket to a better life. They are buying a wife . What did they expect. The women are prostituting themselves. Can you imagine how they feel having to do that.

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Probably 25ish years ago I worked with a man who I always thought was a little sketchy. Avoiding being around him as much as possible. Then one day he tells us that his wife was arriving soon from Soviet Union. When she arrived, she spoke almost no English, couldn't drive, and 100% dependent upon him. I only met her once when he brought her to a company Christmas party. She seemed quite pleasant, but never left his side even to get food/drink. I don't know what life was like where she came from, but I still felt quite sorry for her. A few years later he said they were divorced. We never knew what happened to her. When I see posts like this I'm reminded of her and really hope that she is okay somewhere.

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Huh? Do mail order brides still exist with today's stricter immigration laws everywhere? Which country is this?

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Could happen here in Germany too, given our government ignores any immigration law

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My stepdad's friend (in Australia) was scammed when trying to get a mail order bride from Thailand about 15 years ago.

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There are quite a lot of middle age or older men in my part of Sweden that have younger wifes from Thailand and the Phillipines for example. Some go there on "vacation" to find a wife, some are matchmaking by other couples ("hey Henry, does your wife have a friend or cousin or someone in her home country that is looking for a husband?") and I'm willing to bet some find their wifes through websites. It's almost always a marriage of convenience, where the man is lonely and wants a wife that takes care of him, and the woman wants a better life for herself and/or her children and someone who can help support the rest of her family.

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Yes, but some of them are smart and divorce quickly after buying a house. So the perverted guy has to pay for the bride and has to give 1/2 of his assets away. Works for US visas, citizenship and getting a good amount of cash so I get why they do it.

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It is not uncommon fot migrants in Australia to still order a wfe from their own country.

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Is there a link or source for this?

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I worked with a mail order bride from the Philippines. She's been with her husband for over 30 years, left her kids behind to be raised by her mom (she sent money home) and got all intents and purposes seems very happy with her decision. When she's old enough to retire and get social security (her husband is older than she is, and he's already retired) she plans to head back to the Philippines and help raise her grandkids.

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Source? This looks to be b.s. designed to elicit reaction.

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I'm sickened. But curious

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This will get buried, but I know a lady who has a MOH. I won't say where he's from but he speaks Urdu. They've been together a number of years. Every comment in this thread is related to the exploitation of women, brides, but sometimes it's men.

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Can one order a husband!? Perhaps I have a new business idea...

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Mail order brides are disturbing to begin with

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How can they make her mute though? I don't understand.

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They're born that way... I hope

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But some settling of contents may occur during shipping.

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and don't forget to punch holes in the box

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Early Seattle had something similar - they even did a TV series call "Here Come the Brides"

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I always knew Melania was expensive!

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There's also mail order groom services, not sure what country but I knew a woman who ordered one..

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Hm. This is one where I'd like to see some kind of evidence. How many mute mail order brides can there be? Are we talking stroke victims, nonverbal people with autism, what? It sounds rather unlikely. Mutism is pretty rare and tends to come with other conditions.

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You also need to consider that the mutism could be surgically enforced

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Holy Hell! That is another level of human depravity. I am going to search videos of ringtails, red pandas, and bobcat kits now to ease my mind.

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And now re-read the "more horrifying the more you consider the implications" part. You do know that people mutilate children because they are more profitable beggars? Now, what could possibly happen to those women?

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Quokka mothers will eject their babies from their marsupial pouches at predators to escape.

Omni-Man rules. "I can always make another kid".

fisheypixels , Rachel Claire Report

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When I body falls from a building, they don’t go ‘splat’, they bounce, unless it’s a very very high fall. Also if you’re driving over 80km/h and hit a horse or large animal, you can inhale its intestines and suffocate on them. Some factual stories from my ex-police father.

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Microplastics are found in human blood, organs and even placentas. These tiny plastic particles, which come from things like degraded plastic waste and synthetic fibers, are so persuasive in our environment that they’ve made their way into our bodies through te food we eat, the water we drink and even the air we breathe. While the long-term health impacts are still being studies, the idea that plastic is now part of our biologic system is pretty unsettling….

Tsunazilla , Naja Bertolt Jensen Report

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The sheer power and devastation of hurrucanes. I watched an interview with people who survived the Labor Day Hurricane of 1935. Their accounts were just awful. Some highlights:

- One man, who at the time was a teenager, was trying to get to their storm shelter out back. He was holding his toddler sister. Once he got outside, debris hit the girl in the head, smashing her head against his face. She died instantly. He said he just stood there, holding his sister's body for several seconds.


- One man watched their refrigerator fall on top of and pin their mother, breaking her back and paralyzing her. She was alive when he left her.


- People climbed trees to get away from the storm surge. Once it receeded, they had to crawl over bodies caught in lower branches.


- Several people were wandering around town naked afterwards. The storm had stripped them of every piece of clothing.

JustMeerkats , Елена Кузьмина Report

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A pig will eat every part of your body except teeth, there were several farmers who went missing and the only thing left was a pile of teeth in the pig pen. Pigs have also been known to walk in to farmhouses and eat people's babies, so yeah pigs are crazy.

the_one_watches , Pixabay Report

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The 6 missing nuclear bombs that we know of.

Global_Criticism3178 , Pixabay Report

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Child ab*se is more common than you think. If it’s not happening in your house, it’s definitely happening on your street.

aneeshasaeed , CHUTTERSNAP Report

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The human brain is the same consistency as room temperature butter.

CMKhani , Ron Lach Report

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Organophosphates, including the chemical weapon Sarin Gas, work by inhibiting your muscle's ability to relax. Your muscles basically constrict and can't unconstrict, causing what feels like a muscle cramp through your entire body - your arms, your chest, your eyes, your tongue, everything. It most frequently kills via asphyxiation, because you can't exhale. Surviving means a permanent, irrecoverable loss of motor function, even with rapid medical treatment.

sparklewoozzz , Александр Македонский Report

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Likely most of the 9/11 jumpers were conscious throughout their fall. That’s just the most heartbreaking thing to imagine.

Appropriate_Code6068 , Lars Mulder Report

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Approximately 50% of murders are unsolved every year. Was closer to 90% unsolved in the 70’s.

MassholeForLife , kat wilcox Report

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That your organs know where they're supposed to be and move on their own.

During surgery, doctors will just stuff them back in and they'll rearrange themselves back to their proper spot.

Altruistic-Box-4066 , Jonathan Borba Report

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The Yellowstone Caldera, sometimes referred to as the Yellowstone Supervolcano, Under Yellowstone park that has the power to change the climate globally as well as end everything when it erupts.

No-Customer-2266 , Brent Keane Report

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Currently whatever I am reading about the Diddy case has got me disturbed.
That stuff is just insane.

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I used to work at the coroner's court and attended hundreds of inquests. I had to become pretty numb to hearing about the deaths and seeing the reactions of the families and witnesses, but there's one that'll always stick with me.

It's the new baby's first Christmas, only a few months old. The family are eating their Christmas dinner, laughing and telling stories. Granny is holding the baby, and feeds her a little bit of the chicken so she can try it for the first time. The baby chokes to death.

Every time I think about this one, I wish I hadn't been there and hadn't heard it. It's always in the back of my mind for the rest of the day.

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That praying mantis females usually eat the males during intercourse but the male can continue without his head.

KellyM14 , Quang Nguyen Vinh Report

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Bedbugs practice traumatic insemination. The females have a genital area but the males prefer to just stab their p*nis into the females' abdomen and ejaculate right into her abdominal cavity.

OkSpinach5268 , Lum3n Report

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Your eye lids are the same kind of skin as foreskin.

patriotic-corndog , Chermiti Mohamed Report

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