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Cheater Wrecks His Family, Then Expects Ex To Get A Gift For His Affair Kid, Gets A Reality Check
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Cheater Wrecks His Family, Then Expects Ex To Get A Gift For His Affair Kid, Gets A Reality Check

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Infidelity can destroy entire families. When your partner cheats on you, it’s not just you who gets hurt. If you had children together, the fallout can affect them, too. Meanwhile, if your ex had any kids outside your marriage, then it could complicate any interactions with them even further. That being said, it’s no child’s ‘fault’ that they were born because someone cheated.

An anonymous woman, a mother of three, went viral after asking the AITAH online community for help regarding a very sensitive situation. She explained how her ex-husband tried to guilt-trip her into buying gifts for his “affair child.” Then, when she refused, he lashed out. You’ll find the full story as you scroll down. Bored Panda has reached out to the author for further comment, and we’ll update the article as soon as we hear back from her.

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    An anonymous woman shared how she refused to buy her husband’s “affair child” an Xmas present, and how this made him lash out

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    The woman’s story went viral on the AITAH subreddit. At the time of writing, it had 11k upvotes and got a whopping 5.4k comments. Later, the story spread to other corners of the internet.

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    Most internet users who read the woman’s post were very supportive of her and how she handled the entire situation. They thought it was unfair of her cheating ex-husband to blame her for his own financial shortcomings.

    Many readers pointed out that if money was tight, the man could have gotten temporary work to save up at least some money for Xmas. Others noted that desperate parents can also reach out to local charities for support.

    In short, there are always plenty of options for parents in need, but it requires them to set their pride aside. Accepting charity, whether from an organization or the local community, can be difficult—but if your goal is for your child to have a wholesome Christmas celebration, then that should be the priority, not how you feel about the situation.

    It’s also obvious that it’s not fair for anyone to blame their ex for their own financial problems. Losing your job is tough. It’s one of the most stressful things that can happen to anyone. And it can be even tougher when you’re a single parent with a small child to look after.

    If you’re struggling to find a new job, you may need to develop new skills in order to change career paths

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    It’s difficult to get out of a situation like that, but not impossible. The author mentioned that her ex lost his job in January, meaning that he’s been jobless for nearly a year. This indicates that he might be working in an industry that’s struggling or that he’s not putting in ‘enough’ effort into the job search.

    This is easier said than done. Changing jobs is hard. But if you can’t find work, you may need to upskill or look for work in other towns, areas, and even states. If you’re an incredibly skilled worker in an industry that is losing its steam, you will need to adapt sooner or later.

    There are various government programs and charitable labor-oriented organizations that offer tools, guidelines, and advice for anyone hoping to change jobs. That’s on top of all the free online sources that everyone with an internet connection has access to.

    The internet is full of free and paid courses that can help you develop new skills, and you can always study independently, too. It’s a question of focus, perseverance, discipline, and will, not of resources.

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    The job market in the US is in a peculiar situation right now. Unemployment is up, but wage growth is outpacing inflation

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    As reported by CNN, the US government’s latest employment figures indicate that the nation’s job market “remains in good shape overall.”

    On average, in the six months through November 2024, employers added around 143k jobs a month. Though unemployment is up from a year ago, it’s still historically low. Meanwhile, wage growth continues to outpace inflation. But some numbers are worrying.

    Average hourly earnings rose 4% in November 2024 compared to the year before. Though, to be fair, in November 2023, average hourly earnings rose 4.3%. Meanwhile, the number of Americans unemployed for 26+ weeks rose to 1.66 million last month, the highest since January 2022.

    Furthermore, the labor market may still not have fully recovered from the Covid-19 pandemic. Currently, the labor force participation rate (how many Americans are employed or actively looking for a job) fell in November 2024 to 62.5%.

    What are your thoughts about the entire situation, dear readers? Do you think the author handled the situation right? Would you have done anything differently if you were in her shoes? What do you think her ex should do to get back on his feet and take better care of his daughter? Feel free to share your thoughts in the comments.

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    The author shared some additional context while interacting with her readers

    Most internet users were supportive of the woman. Here’s how they saw the situation

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    A few people thought that everything could have been handled differently

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    Storytelling, journalism, and art are a core part of who I am. I've been writing and drawing ever since I could walk—there is nothing else I'd rather do. My formal education, however, is focused on politics, philosophy, and economics because I've always been curious about the gap between the ideal and the real. At work, I'm a Senior Writer and I cover a broad range of topics that I'm passionate about: from psychology and changes in work culture to healthy living, relationships, and design. In my spare time, I'm an avid hiker and reader, enjoy writing short stories, and love to doodle. I thrive when I'm outdoors, going on small adventures in nature. However, you can also find me enjoying a big mug of coffee with a good book (or ten) and entertaining friends with fantasy tabletop games and sci-fi movies.

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    I'm a visual editor at Bored Panda. I kickstart my day with a mug of coffee bigger than my head, ready to tackle Photoshop. I navigate through the digital jungle with finesse, fueled by bamboo breaks and caffeine kicks. When the workday winds down, you might catch me devouring bamboo snacks while binging on the latest TV show, gaming or I could be out in nature, soaking up the tranquility and communing with my inner panda.

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    Gavin Johnson
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weaponising children is low. Their children have a sister, they should be encouraged to accept her and the adults need to step up and be mature about it. What’s happened with the idiot adults shouldn’t be visited on any of the children. My ex and I share a daughter, she’s the most important person in our relationship, we failed as a married couple but that’s no reason to mess her life up by being angry or bitter parents. My wider family has ‘half’ brothers and sisters in it, adopted children and foster children, they are all family and the ‘half’ or adopted bit is not mentioned, they are brothers and sisters.

    Angie May
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The part where she insists that she doesn't discourage her kids from having a relationship with the half-sister but "can't bring herself to encourage it" says it all. The kids don't need her to discourage it because they can probably pick up on the fact mom doesn't want them to be close to her. If that's the energy she's giving out kids are smart enough to read into it, especially at 9 and 11. I feel bad for that poor little girl.

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    Julia Cargile
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'll get the child a present if you give me the address. You're mean.

    Zoe Vokes
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes she comes across as mean but the ex is putting all the responsibility for this child’s present on OP for some reason. He couldn’t ask any friend, neighbour or random person in his life for help rather than insist it’s his ex’s responsibility - the ex who is clearly still upset and angry at him for cheating and breaking up their family. It’s not the innocent child’s fault but I don’t know why he’s trying to blame OP for the situation. He called her cruel and a selfish b**ch yet he hurt his entire family including his kids without caring by having an affair. I think OP should have got his daughter something but she isn’t obligated to. Her ex must have somebody he’s closer to in his life than his bitter, angry ex. Is it because she’s a mother that she’s supposed to feel maternal love for all children?

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    Ash
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, because OP has no ethical duty to do any more than she is doing. ...That being said, I don't think it would hurt to demonstrate to her kids that it's okay to be friends with their half-sister and not exclude her, and it would be good to ask them if they want to get her a gift for Christmas and help them do that. OP has no requirement to have a relationship with the child, but I do think it actually is mean for her kids to ignore her and avoid her completely when they're in the same house. NTA but it might be a good idea for OP to sit down and have a good think about how the child should be treated rather than what the ex deserves (nothing).

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sad reality is, when adult are selfish pos and have affairs and babies from affairs, the children suffer. It's NOT the fault of the injured party here, the one who was lied to and cheated on, to "make things work" for the scumbag cheater. She has no obligation whatsoever to facilitate anything regarding the affair baby. Any efforts in that direction are going to be seen by him as her "signing on" to help him out with his kid. BIG MISTAKE.

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    Agat
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe it's just me but the resentment towards the little girl practically drips from this post. I wouldn't want to be like the OP. I feel like she's happy deep down that her ex's daughter won't really have Christmas, and that it kills her ex.

    TribbleThinking
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's more nuanced than that. She mentioned that he initially expected to add the little girl to her brood to look after like simply one more addition to the puppy pile. So this Christmas tantrum is a continuation sliver of that wedge. She isn't fighting against simply one little gift for a little girl, but yet another more episode of "yeah, but YOU are the one who can make a difference to this tiny wee bairn's life if you'd just take responsibility, as I've been telling you for YEARS, you heartless woman".

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    notlikeyou1971
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry but I don't see any reason or obligations for OP to buy the affair child's gift. It's nervy of him to ask in the 1st place. It's not her kid and he can go to an organization for help to get a gift for his child. He can go after the MOTHER OF HIS CHILD to get a gift. Not my child=not my responsibility. HOW DARE HE CALL OP CRUEL AND SELFISH WHEN HE COULDN'T KEEP HIS PANTS ON AND HAD AN AFFAIR IN THE 1ST PLACE

    Caitlin
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah it’s not her responsibility, but neither are the kids you donate toys to at a toy drive. Or the disadvantaged kids you donate money to at charity raffles. She could have a bloody heart, Jesus Christ

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    Gwyn
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. He just happened to have this $1 toy with him when he dropped off the kids? No, he planned to bring it, to try to manipulate you. I don't believe for a moment that he only had one dollar to spend on his daughter. And he has many other options as other commenters said to get gifts from charities if he's actually that hard up. He's looking for someone to blame for his situation and trying to make everyone else the bad guy. And if he doesn't get his other kids gifts and they resent him, that's his own fault too. And by the way not having Christmas gifts isn't the end of the world. I had very little growing up and I understood. What she doesn't have and needs is a stable family, and that's her Dad's fault entirely.

    Anxious&Bored Bear
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It won't end with a gift or 2 for this Christmas. Ex won't be able to afford birthday presents, either, or Easter clothes/basket, etc. Then it will be he needs a sitter for whatever reason. Ex is trying to get out of his responsibilities and OP needs to enforce boundaries now.

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    Cecilie Hammershøy
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta for the present but she's an a*s for not helping her kids with the relationship with their half sister. Ignoring is also bullying.

    Betsy S
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That relationship is up to their father to encourage. They are all HIS kids.

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    TribbleThinking
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Document all this in the parenting app if there is the facility for it, taking the opportunity to point out that he's got a cheek to ask you this behind the judge's back and pointing out that he could make her something. He had all this extra time for an affair, where's it all gone? If he genuinely thinks that someone else is OBLIGATED (not simply a soft target he can be aggressive to), then he should go after the affair partner, or be man enough to say what he has to say in court. It's not just about this one present, there will be more incidents to document that will show his continued conviction that if you'd just submit and accept responsibility for her, his and her lives will be so very much easier and nicer.

    Gen X Feral
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The husband is a piece of loser trash, but his kid is the real victim hear. I DESPISE my daughter's sister-in-law, she went to jail and her 4 y.o old wasn't going to get jack sht for Christmas. I just happened to have a Barbi house and some Barbies I was going to return, but I gave them to the daughter of my enemy instead. I desperately needed the money back for those toys , but keeping the Christmas spirit alive is critical for children.

    ZombieMommy
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She is 100% behind those children not having a relationship with their half sister. She's mad about him cheating and being petty and hateful to a 4 year old. "I don't want them to have a relationship with her" then tries to backpedal. Also mentioning the "quality of life" because he makes less money now. Gross. Not obligated to give a gift but if I was in the situation that baby girl would be treated just as good as her siblings, none of this is her fault.

    Lyoness
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Couldn't agree more. Is OP justified in being pissed at her ex? Yes. Should she feel obligated to get this kid a present? No. But should she have a little empathy for a 4 year old? Also yes. But I don't think a present is the problem, it's that her kids are clearly never going to accept her ex's AC. They'll mirror Mum's behaviour and that toddler will never understand why her half siblings hate her. I think OP needs to take a hard look at who she's blaming here. It's not the kid's fault, it's her exes.

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    Janelle Collard
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP, tell your ex, "These are the consequences of you cheating on me. Your kids want nothing to do with your daughter and she won't be getting presents from anyone but you. YOU decided to have an affair. Man up + deal with the consequences. " There was another article on Bored Panda a few weeks ago where the husband was bringing his affair daughter home to live with him + his fam. His wife took ALL of their daughter's stuff out of the house so the new kid had nothing.

    Manny
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those saying YTA would be saying otherwise if this happened to them. NTA at all since this was the ex's doing. If her kids want to be friends with the affair kid then that is up to them as she stated, if not she's not going to force it. The ex can try and contact the mom's side of the family if he really cares for this kid. It's not his ex wife's responsibility to.

    m6nbtfpx7q
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spoil the child and treat her well and make her understand her father and mother’s family are complete garbage. Edit to add: still NTA

    M G----no
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it really kills me when parents won't apply for things like Toys for Tots or food pantries, yet ask certain people to just give them things. Put your damn pride aside and do whatever it takes to do right by your children. I see it all the time on facebook - my kids are hungry, my kids won't have anything for Christmas if you people don't give us something.... when the internet access they're using to beg is the same internet they could use to find these services.

    Schmebulock
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should be crying to the girl's mom and not his ex. It's like someone steals your car then comes back and asks you for gas money. F them.

    Miriam Insidecor
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She doesn't need to give a s**t about someone else's kud. Not her responsibility. And if they want to encourage the siblings to have a relationship the cheating dad should do that, not the woman that was cheated on.

    kath morgan
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta, his child is not your responsibility and his circumstances are not your fault. If they don’t have a lot of other people in their life that’s his responsibility to fix, not his ex’s. He should be elsewhere screaming at the girl’s mother for not stepping up, instead of someone unrelated to her.

    Chris Riccardino
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are several hundred thousand kids with only one parent. Are you to be expected to get them gifts too? Personally, I'd like a puppy. It isn't your kid. You can't force your kids to like their half sibling, and trying to will make them resent her. The ex made the decision to cheat. That decision means he no longer gets to have you as a helper in his life. Its the xmas season. plenty of temp work to be found. Would it have been kind of you to get that kid a gift? Absolutely. Just like you'd be a doll for getting any kid you don't know, and aren't responsible for a gift. Its just not something you are required to do. NTA. Ex needs to grow up and act like an adult. I feel sorry for the little kid, to have such trash parents.

    Bette
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP is leading by example and demonstrating for her children how to behave towards their halfsibling. Her ex is not apparently parenting any of his children. He could better manage their dynamics when they are with him. There are jobs he could take and services to benefit his child at the holidays without blaming his ex-spouse for his poor life choices.

    Just_for_this
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We don't talk to my SIL (1) anymore, mostly because her (recently) ex ruined our relationship over jealousy about how well I bonded with their child(1). At the time, we were childless and made a lot of effort to spend time with them. For the first time in several years, we were in her company again. We didn’t speak, but maybe it was a step forward? Anyway, I was keeping my daughter and another niece (SIL(2)’s child, who’s the same age) entertained so my wife could spend time with her siblings. Then, SIL(1)’s other daughter(2)—who I’ve never met before—came over and wanted to join in. Tricky situation 😶. Should I exclude her? Of course not. As an adult, you rise above the tension and do what’s right.

    Roberta Surprenant
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wonder what OP thinks is the meaning of Christmas? Instead of donating to charity toy drive she could have encouraged children to pick small gifts for thei sibling. But many people participate in conspicuous consumption day and forget reason for season.

    Fun Size
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's worse than that -- she doesn't want her children to care about this kid. And I mean, on the one hand, I get it -- I was cheated on. It absolutely blows, and she has a right to be angry, but this kid is four years old. No, her welfare isn't OP's responsibility, and the ex sucks for trying to guilt-trip her when there are numerous other options that would allow him to get some presents for his daughter, but OP very clearly hates a toddler, and wants her kids to as well. I'm going with a soft ESH -- ex sucks harder, but OP is blaming the wrong person.

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    שני מוריק
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She doesn't owe anything to the girl. I do feel bad for the girl if everyone in her life treat her bad

    Jane Jayne Jain Jeign Jein
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think a gift would be a nice gesture but not judging if she doesn't get the kids one. However, this woman thinks that she's been a neutral influence on her own kids relationship with their half sister but that is just impossible when she feels the way she does. Her kids are definitely picking up on their mother's hostility and seeing it as an unspoken expectation to shun their half sister. This woman is damaging her own children by holding on to her own anger towards the ex. Even if she doesn't get a gift, she should teach her children to have compassion for the innocent kid here.

    zatrisha
    Community Member
    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a 4yo Girl without a present and without a real Family, so for me there is no question. I would give her something as a stranger if I could - BUT that does not solve any problem - there are MANY AHs here….

    Andrew Bome
    Community Member
    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA for not buying the little girl a gift. But OP is a major league AH for blocking her children from having a relationship with their sibling and interfering with their relationship with their dad. She sounds like a heartless person who is taking out her well placed anger against her ex on a 4 year old.

    Kate Johnson
    Community Member
    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds to me like this guy should have given this child up for adoption as he's obviously not up to parenting her and clearly her mother wasn't interested. This child would have had a better life if HE wasn't so selfish. The child is innocent, but it's not reasonable to expect the injured party to welcome the affair child as "family" and be responsible for her care in any way.

    Not Today Satan
    Community Member
    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do yourself a favor and spend even less time thinking about that child and that man than it took you to write this story. You know you're not wrong. Just more evidence that your old man is still weak Af. If you really want to see his head explode, go get yourself on a dating app (firemen welcome) and have new daddy drop your kids off at the next weakazdaddy weekend.

    Ruth Watry
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kid is 5 and 7 years younger than them. She showed up when they were 4 and 6, right after mom and dad's divorce, where she was a byproduct of that divorce. In addition, they only see her every other weekend, and with dad being her only parent, he probably has to give her most of his attention. I can imagine, under these conditions, why the kids have not developed a relationship with their step sister.

    Victoria
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The affair kid is not OPs problem. Why is the kid's mom's side of the family or the ex's family not being asked for help? Why is this OPs problem?

    Lisa
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He definitely could have found other options for toys, there are many local and national organizations/drives. Probably just wanted to unleash his frustration and blame on someone. I feel bad for that kid though.

    LongFang
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wanted OP to co-parent his affaire child ? Wut the actual ?

    Nina
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ex is a s**t parent, isn't he? He implodes his marriage, ends up a single dad with no job and somehow this is all OPs fault. I wouldn't get his kid anything - she's the product of a disgusting betrayal. It totally human and understandable what OP wants nothing to do with her. Not to mention that's not her kid by any stretch - why should she give a f**k?

    Vero
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometime you have to be the bigger person. Its just a child she didnt ask any of this. But she is the one that surfer the most from it. MIL that dont like her, sibblings that are not encourage to accept her, no mother. A father struggeling. Even though she is not yours caint you have empathy. Im sure it wasent easy on you and youre Precious ones too. But that little girl should not represent and feel that she is the reason of the breakup of youre family. You had the chance to do something meaningfull. Positive for her. that would have meant a lot for that little one. Come on ! I have the same situation here but you know what I dont see my daughter big-sis badly because of what happened between her dad and I. You are holding negative émotion and perception at a child. Hold it as much as you want against the dad but let the child be. I do my best so my daughter and his have the best relation ship because no matter you like it or not she is her sister. She deserve respect, care, love. What you are teaching to your child is not ok! I as a mom am hurt toward your dad. And sorry that this little girl is the result of your pain . But teach your children forgiveness instead of bitterness. Teach them kindness instead of rejecting. It might not be youre daughter but THE WAY YOU ACT TOWARDS HER are setting an exemple to youre children and a pretty s****y one. REGARDING CHRISTMAS WOW WAY THE GO ON CHRSTMAS SPIRIT! Im sure you are a great mom , and you would do anything for your children. But dont you think you could try to incluse her a bit more and try to be nicer to her? that little girl is the sister of youre childs! Will always be.Please find a way to heal the damage this man had cause you. Im sure deep down inside of you, you are a wonderfull person snd a great mom! Do not transfert youre sadness on a innocent child♥️

    claire farrell
    Community Member
    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA. Also, your attitude definitely encourages your kids to not have a relationship with their sister. You could have gotten gifts for your kids for him to gift to them, freeing up money so that he could get his daughter something a bit nicer.

    Robin Hutchison
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to shake my head. The degree of lack of compassion that resonates with op and many of the commenters is atrocious. The children are the innocents here and op and the ex are both using their kids as pawns. Christmas is a time of love and giving. I don't care that that 4 year old was someone's affair child. Get over it! She's a child and its Christmas. Its not going to hurt op to open up her emotionally resentful wallet and bring joy to a child. People, nowadays, are selfish and self centered. OP is just mean spirited and taking it out on a 4 year old. Kids are smart and will pick up on her not encouraging them to include their sister. They will know that she doesn't want them including that poor child in anything. Resentment is ugly and its made op ugly in thought and deed.

    Granny's Thoughts
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's look into a hypothetical future scenario. One of mom's flesh and bloods kids needs a transplant and only match is their half sister. You get the karma? YTA.

    ThisIsMe
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you have to buy her a gift? No. Should you do it anyway because it would be the kind thing to do? Yes.

    BrownEyedPanda
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP shouldn't be projecting her anger at her ex, directly or indirectly, onto an innocent child, true. She didn't conceive herself, and is entirely blameless in all of this. However, she IS the product of an affair, and it is simply unfair and unreasonable for the ex to expect OP and her children to go with the flow. He caused the entire situation, and as the parent, it's his responsibility to handle it and no one else's. He should either follow the suggestions to seek out the biological mother, take advantage of the various organizations created for problems like this, or shut up and find some adequate employment. That poor child has suffered enough; it's time that the adults started behaving as if they are.

    Orysha
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the YTAs are clinically insane. The seem to forget this girl is the living proof of his cheating. Of course OP is angry, who wouldn't be ? A saint maybe? I would have asked full custody of my children and never wanted to see him again

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like OP does need a bit of therapy and feel like she is slightly taking out her snger on the child. Not because of the gifts. But the not wanting your kids to have a relationship with a kid they live with a chunk of their time

    Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it sounded to me as if she just doesnt talk to her kids about what they do at their dad's or ask questions about the other kid. From that standpoint, she neither encourages or discourages a relationship w/ sister. If she's vocal to her kids about it...'I don't care either way what you do, but I won't and can't encourage it' would be inappropriate. But she is NTA in not getting the kid a gift. I wouldn't either, and I am considered a very generous person. Yeah the kid is innocent but still a reminder of the affair and how her ex ruined their whole family. Not her problem. Her ex got himself into this situation, he can figure it out. It's called karma.

    Mark Childers
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father left my mother and us when we were very little. My sister doesn't even remember what it was like to live with him (horrible). He left our mother for another woman. Then he went on to do the same to her and another woman, each time cheating on his wives until he secured the next one. He was completely awful to all of his wives and their kids. If this man's own siblings no longer talk to him, and his new wife wants nothing to do with him, it seems he's the common denominator. I feel sorry for that kid, but he can't go through life treating people like garbage and then expecting them to help when he needs it (or demands it). I was never close to any of my stepsilbings (and I had a lot), but I knew it was because they viewed us through the lens of my father and had to assume we were as equally horrible. It's not the worst thing, especially when he only has the kids here and there. I have no respect for people like him.

    Gavin Johnson
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Weaponising children is low. Their children have a sister, they should be encouraged to accept her and the adults need to step up and be mature about it. What’s happened with the idiot adults shouldn’t be visited on any of the children. My ex and I share a daughter, she’s the most important person in our relationship, we failed as a married couple but that’s no reason to mess her life up by being angry or bitter parents. My wider family has ‘half’ brothers and sisters in it, adopted children and foster children, they are all family and the ‘half’ or adopted bit is not mentioned, they are brothers and sisters.

    Angie May
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The part where she insists that she doesn't discourage her kids from having a relationship with the half-sister but "can't bring herself to encourage it" says it all. The kids don't need her to discourage it because they can probably pick up on the fact mom doesn't want them to be close to her. If that's the energy she's giving out kids are smart enough to read into it, especially at 9 and 11. I feel bad for that poor little girl.

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    Julia Cargile
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I'll get the child a present if you give me the address. You're mean.

    Zoe Vokes
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yes she comes across as mean but the ex is putting all the responsibility for this child’s present on OP for some reason. He couldn’t ask any friend, neighbour or random person in his life for help rather than insist it’s his ex’s responsibility - the ex who is clearly still upset and angry at him for cheating and breaking up their family. It’s not the innocent child’s fault but I don’t know why he’s trying to blame OP for the situation. He called her cruel and a selfish b**ch yet he hurt his entire family including his kids without caring by having an affair. I think OP should have got his daughter something but she isn’t obligated to. Her ex must have somebody he’s closer to in his life than his bitter, angry ex. Is it because she’s a mother that she’s supposed to feel maternal love for all children?

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    Ash
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA, because OP has no ethical duty to do any more than she is doing. ...That being said, I don't think it would hurt to demonstrate to her kids that it's okay to be friends with their half-sister and not exclude her, and it would be good to ask them if they want to get her a gift for Christmas and help them do that. OP has no requirement to have a relationship with the child, but I do think it actually is mean for her kids to ignore her and avoid her completely when they're in the same house. NTA but it might be a good idea for OP to sit down and have a good think about how the child should be treated rather than what the ex deserves (nothing).

    Kate Johnson
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The sad reality is, when adult are selfish pos and have affairs and babies from affairs, the children suffer. It's NOT the fault of the injured party here, the one who was lied to and cheated on, to "make things work" for the scumbag cheater. She has no obligation whatsoever to facilitate anything regarding the affair baby. Any efforts in that direction are going to be seen by him as her "signing on" to help him out with his kid. BIG MISTAKE.

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    Agat
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Maybe it's just me but the resentment towards the little girl practically drips from this post. I wouldn't want to be like the OP. I feel like she's happy deep down that her ex's daughter won't really have Christmas, and that it kills her ex.

    TribbleThinking
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's more nuanced than that. She mentioned that he initially expected to add the little girl to her brood to look after like simply one more addition to the puppy pile. So this Christmas tantrum is a continuation sliver of that wedge. She isn't fighting against simply one little gift for a little girl, but yet another more episode of "yeah, but YOU are the one who can make a difference to this tiny wee bairn's life if you'd just take responsibility, as I've been telling you for YEARS, you heartless woman".

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    notlikeyou1971
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sorry but I don't see any reason or obligations for OP to buy the affair child's gift. It's nervy of him to ask in the 1st place. It's not her kid and he can go to an organization for help to get a gift for his child. He can go after the MOTHER OF HIS CHILD to get a gift. Not my child=not my responsibility. HOW DARE HE CALL OP CRUEL AND SELFISH WHEN HE COULDN'T KEEP HIS PANTS ON AND HAD AN AFFAIR IN THE 1ST PLACE

    Caitlin
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Yeah it’s not her responsibility, but neither are the kids you donate toys to at a toy drive. Or the disadvantaged kids you donate money to at charity raffles. She could have a bloody heart, Jesus Christ

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    Gwyn
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA. He just happened to have this $1 toy with him when he dropped off the kids? No, he planned to bring it, to try to manipulate you. I don't believe for a moment that he only had one dollar to spend on his daughter. And he has many other options as other commenters said to get gifts from charities if he's actually that hard up. He's looking for someone to blame for his situation and trying to make everyone else the bad guy. And if he doesn't get his other kids gifts and they resent him, that's his own fault too. And by the way not having Christmas gifts isn't the end of the world. I had very little growing up and I understood. What she doesn't have and needs is a stable family, and that's her Dad's fault entirely.

    Anxious&Bored Bear
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    It won't end with a gift or 2 for this Christmas. Ex won't be able to afford birthday presents, either, or Easter clothes/basket, etc. Then it will be he needs a sitter for whatever reason. Ex is trying to get out of his responsibilities and OP needs to enforce boundaries now.

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    Cecilie Hammershøy
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta for the present but she's an a*s for not helping her kids with the relationship with their half sister. Ignoring is also bullying.

    Betsy S
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    That relationship is up to their father to encourage. They are all HIS kids.

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    TribbleThinking
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Document all this in the parenting app if there is the facility for it, taking the opportunity to point out that he's got a cheek to ask you this behind the judge's back and pointing out that he could make her something. He had all this extra time for an affair, where's it all gone? If he genuinely thinks that someone else is OBLIGATED (not simply a soft target he can be aggressive to), then he should go after the affair partner, or be man enough to say what he has to say in court. It's not just about this one present, there will be more incidents to document that will show his continued conviction that if you'd just submit and accept responsibility for her, his and her lives will be so very much easier and nicer.

    Gen X Feral
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The husband is a piece of loser trash, but his kid is the real victim hear. I DESPISE my daughter's sister-in-law, she went to jail and her 4 y.o old wasn't going to get jack sht for Christmas. I just happened to have a Barbi house and some Barbies I was going to return, but I gave them to the daughter of my enemy instead. I desperately needed the money back for those toys , but keeping the Christmas spirit alive is critical for children.

    ZombieMommy
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She is 100% behind those children not having a relationship with their half sister. She's mad about him cheating and being petty and hateful to a 4 year old. "I don't want them to have a relationship with her" then tries to backpedal. Also mentioning the "quality of life" because he makes less money now. Gross. Not obligated to give a gift but if I was in the situation that baby girl would be treated just as good as her siblings, none of this is her fault.

    Lyoness
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Couldn't agree more. Is OP justified in being pissed at her ex? Yes. Should she feel obligated to get this kid a present? No. But should she have a little empathy for a 4 year old? Also yes. But I don't think a present is the problem, it's that her kids are clearly never going to accept her ex's AC. They'll mirror Mum's behaviour and that toddler will never understand why her half siblings hate her. I think OP needs to take a hard look at who she's blaming here. It's not the kid's fault, it's her exes.

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    Janelle Collard
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP, tell your ex, "These are the consequences of you cheating on me. Your kids want nothing to do with your daughter and she won't be getting presents from anyone but you. YOU decided to have an affair. Man up + deal with the consequences. " There was another article on Bored Panda a few weeks ago where the husband was bringing his affair daughter home to live with him + his fam. His wife took ALL of their daughter's stuff out of the house so the new kid had nothing.

    Manny
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Those saying YTA would be saying otherwise if this happened to them. NTA at all since this was the ex's doing. If her kids want to be friends with the affair kid then that is up to them as she stated, if not she's not going to force it. The ex can try and contact the mom's side of the family if he really cares for this kid. It's not his ex wife's responsibility to.

    m6nbtfpx7q
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    3 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Spoil the child and treat her well and make her understand her father and mother’s family are complete garbage. Edit to add: still NTA

    M G----no
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it really kills me when parents won't apply for things like Toys for Tots or food pantries, yet ask certain people to just give them things. Put your damn pride aside and do whatever it takes to do right by your children. I see it all the time on facebook - my kids are hungry, my kids won't have anything for Christmas if you people don't give us something.... when the internet access they're using to beg is the same internet they could use to find these services.

    Schmebulock
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He should be crying to the girl's mom and not his ex. It's like someone steals your car then comes back and asks you for gas money. F them.

    Miriam Insidecor
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She doesn't need to give a s**t about someone else's kud. Not her responsibility. And if they want to encourage the siblings to have a relationship the cheating dad should do that, not the woman that was cheated on.

    kath morgan
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Nta, his child is not your responsibility and his circumstances are not your fault. If they don’t have a lot of other people in their life that’s his responsibility to fix, not his ex’s. He should be elsewhere screaming at the girl’s mother for not stepping up, instead of someone unrelated to her.

    Chris Riccardino
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There are several hundred thousand kids with only one parent. Are you to be expected to get them gifts too? Personally, I'd like a puppy. It isn't your kid. You can't force your kids to like their half sibling, and trying to will make them resent her. The ex made the decision to cheat. That decision means he no longer gets to have you as a helper in his life. Its the xmas season. plenty of temp work to be found. Would it have been kind of you to get that kid a gift? Absolutely. Just like you'd be a doll for getting any kid you don't know, and aren't responsible for a gift. Its just not something you are required to do. NTA. Ex needs to grow up and act like an adult. I feel sorry for the little kid, to have such trash parents.

    Bette
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The OP is leading by example and demonstrating for her children how to behave towards their halfsibling. Her ex is not apparently parenting any of his children. He could better manage their dynamics when they are with him. There are jobs he could take and services to benefit his child at the holidays without blaming his ex-spouse for his poor life choices.

    Just_for_this
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    We don't talk to my SIL (1) anymore, mostly because her (recently) ex ruined our relationship over jealousy about how well I bonded with their child(1). At the time, we were childless and made a lot of effort to spend time with them. For the first time in several years, we were in her company again. We didn’t speak, but maybe it was a step forward? Anyway, I was keeping my daughter and another niece (SIL(2)’s child, who’s the same age) entertained so my wife could spend time with her siblings. Then, SIL(1)’s other daughter(2)—who I’ve never met before—came over and wanted to join in. Tricky situation 😶. Should I exclude her? Of course not. As an adult, you rise above the tension and do what’s right.

    Roberta Surprenant
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Wonder what OP thinks is the meaning of Christmas? Instead of donating to charity toy drive she could have encouraged children to pick small gifts for thei sibling. But many people participate in conspicuous consumption day and forget reason for season.

    Fun Size
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think it's worse than that -- she doesn't want her children to care about this kid. And I mean, on the one hand, I get it -- I was cheated on. It absolutely blows, and she has a right to be angry, but this kid is four years old. No, her welfare isn't OP's responsibility, and the ex sucks for trying to guilt-trip her when there are numerous other options that would allow him to get some presents for his daughter, but OP very clearly hates a toddler, and wants her kids to as well. I'm going with a soft ESH -- ex sucks harder, but OP is blaming the wrong person.

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    שני מוריק
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    She doesn't owe anything to the girl. I do feel bad for the girl if everyone in her life treat her bad

    Jane Jayne Jain Jeign Jein
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I think a gift would be a nice gesture but not judging if she doesn't get the kids one. However, this woman thinks that she's been a neutral influence on her own kids relationship with their half sister but that is just impossible when she feels the way she does. Her kids are definitely picking up on their mother's hostility and seeing it as an unspoken expectation to shun their half sister. This woman is damaging her own children by holding on to her own anger towards the ex. Even if she doesn't get a gift, she should teach her children to have compassion for the innocent kid here.

    zatrisha
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    There is a 4yo Girl without a present and without a real Family, so for me there is no question. I would give her something as a stranger if I could - BUT that does not solve any problem - there are MANY AHs here….

    Andrew Bome
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    13 hours ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    NTA for not buying the little girl a gift. But OP is a major league AH for blocking her children from having a relationship with their sibling and interfering with their relationship with their dad. She sounds like a heartless person who is taking out her well placed anger against her ex on a 4 year old.

    Kate Johnson
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    4 days ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sounds to me like this guy should have given this child up for adoption as he's obviously not up to parenting her and clearly her mother wasn't interested. This child would have had a better life if HE wasn't so selfish. The child is innocent, but it's not reasonable to expect the injured party to welcome the affair child as "family" and be responsible for her care in any way.

    Not Today Satan
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    1 week ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do yourself a favor and spend even less time thinking about that child and that man than it took you to write this story. You know you're not wrong. Just more evidence that your old man is still weak Af. If you really want to see his head explode, go get yourself on a dating app (firemen welcome) and have new daddy drop your kids off at the next weakazdaddy weekend.

    Ruth Watry
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Kid is 5 and 7 years younger than them. She showed up when they were 4 and 6, right after mom and dad's divorce, where she was a byproduct of that divorce. In addition, they only see her every other weekend, and with dad being her only parent, he probably has to give her most of his attention. I can imagine, under these conditions, why the kids have not developed a relationship with their step sister.

    Victoria
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    The affair kid is not OPs problem. Why is the kid's mom's side of the family or the ex's family not being asked for help? Why is this OPs problem?

    Lisa
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He definitely could have found other options for toys, there are many local and national organizations/drives. Probably just wanted to unleash his frustration and blame on someone. I feel bad for that kid though.

    LongFang
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    He wanted OP to co-parent his affaire child ? Wut the actual ?

    Nina
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Ex is a s**t parent, isn't he? He implodes his marriage, ends up a single dad with no job and somehow this is all OPs fault. I wouldn't get his kid anything - she's the product of a disgusting betrayal. It totally human and understandable what OP wants nothing to do with her. Not to mention that's not her kid by any stretch - why should she give a f**k?

    Vero
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Sometime you have to be the bigger person. Its just a child she didnt ask any of this. But she is the one that surfer the most from it. MIL that dont like her, sibblings that are not encourage to accept her, no mother. A father struggeling. Even though she is not yours caint you have empathy. Im sure it wasent easy on you and youre Precious ones too. But that little girl should not represent and feel that she is the reason of the breakup of youre family. You had the chance to do something meaningfull. Positive for her. that would have meant a lot for that little one. Come on ! I have the same situation here but you know what I dont see my daughter big-sis badly because of what happened between her dad and I. You are holding negative émotion and perception at a child. Hold it as much as you want against the dad but let the child be. I do my best so my daughter and his have the best relation ship because no matter you like it or not she is her sister. She deserve respect, care, love. What you are teaching to your child is not ok! I as a mom am hurt toward your dad. And sorry that this little girl is the result of your pain . But teach your children forgiveness instead of bitterness. Teach them kindness instead of rejecting. It might not be youre daughter but THE WAY YOU ACT TOWARDS HER are setting an exemple to youre children and a pretty s****y one. REGARDING CHRISTMAS WOW WAY THE GO ON CHRSTMAS SPIRIT! Im sure you are a great mom , and you would do anything for your children. But dont you think you could try to incluse her a bit more and try to be nicer to her? that little girl is the sister of youre childs! Will always be.Please find a way to heal the damage this man had cause you. Im sure deep down inside of you, you are a wonderfull person snd a great mom! Do not transfert youre sadness on a innocent child♥️

    claire farrell
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    YTA. Also, your attitude definitely encourages your kids to not have a relationship with their sister. You could have gotten gifts for your kids for him to gift to them, freeing up money so that he could get his daughter something a bit nicer.

    Robin Hutchison
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    2 weeks ago (edited) DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I have to shake my head. The degree of lack of compassion that resonates with op and many of the commenters is atrocious. The children are the innocents here and op and the ex are both using their kids as pawns. Christmas is a time of love and giving. I don't care that that 4 year old was someone's affair child. Get over it! She's a child and its Christmas. Its not going to hurt op to open up her emotionally resentful wallet and bring joy to a child. People, nowadays, are selfish and self centered. OP is just mean spirited and taking it out on a 4 year old. Kids are smart and will pick up on her not encouraging them to include their sister. They will know that she doesn't want them including that poor child in anything. Resentment is ugly and its made op ugly in thought and deed.

    Granny's Thoughts
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Let's look into a hypothetical future scenario. One of mom's flesh and bloods kids needs a transplant and only match is their half sister. You get the karma? YTA.

    ThisIsMe
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    Do you have to buy her a gift? No. Should you do it anyway because it would be the kind thing to do? Yes.

    BrownEyedPanda
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    OP shouldn't be projecting her anger at her ex, directly or indirectly, onto an innocent child, true. She didn't conceive herself, and is entirely blameless in all of this. However, she IS the product of an affair, and it is simply unfair and unreasonable for the ex to expect OP and her children to go with the flow. He caused the entire situation, and as the parent, it's his responsibility to handle it and no one else's. He should either follow the suggestions to seek out the biological mother, take advantage of the various organizations created for problems like this, or shut up and find some adequate employment. That poor child has suffered enough; it's time that the adults started behaving as if they are.

    Orysha
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    All the YTAs are clinically insane. The seem to forget this girl is the living proof of his cheating. Of course OP is angry, who wouldn't be ? A saint maybe? I would have asked full custody of my children and never wanted to see him again

    Aroace tiger (she/they/he)
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    3 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    I feel like OP does need a bit of therapy and feel like she is slightly taking out her snger on the child. Not because of the gifts. But the not wanting your kids to have a relationship with a kid they live with a chunk of their time

    Joanne Mendonza-Earle
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    it sounded to me as if she just doesnt talk to her kids about what they do at their dad's or ask questions about the other kid. From that standpoint, she neither encourages or discourages a relationship w/ sister. If she's vocal to her kids about it...'I don't care either way what you do, but I won't and can't encourage it' would be inappropriate. But she is NTA in not getting the kid a gift. I wouldn't either, and I am considered a very generous person. Yeah the kid is innocent but still a reminder of the affair and how her ex ruined their whole family. Not her problem. Her ex got himself into this situation, he can figure it out. It's called karma.

    Mark Childers
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    2 weeks ago DotsCreated by potrace 1.15, written by Peter Selinger 2001-2017

    My father left my mother and us when we were very little. My sister doesn't even remember what it was like to live with him (horrible). He left our mother for another woman. Then he went on to do the same to her and another woman, each time cheating on his wives until he secured the next one. He was completely awful to all of his wives and their kids. If this man's own siblings no longer talk to him, and his new wife wants nothing to do with him, it seems he's the common denominator. I feel sorry for that kid, but he can't go through life treating people like garbage and then expecting them to help when he needs it (or demands it). I was never close to any of my stepsilbings (and I had a lot), but I knew it was because they viewed us through the lens of my father and had to assume we were as equally horrible. It's not the worst thing, especially when he only has the kids here and there. I have no respect for people like him.

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