Guy Finds Out Not Everyone Has An Internal Monologue With Themselves And It Ruins His Day
The human brain is one of the most complex objects on our planet. And while we can’t even tell how well we know it, it’s hard to comprehend the stuff we’ve already learned about it as well. Like the fact that not every person has internal monologues.
When Ryan Langdon found out that not everyone can inwardly talk to themselves, his mind was completely blown. “It intrigued me because [after] I read it, [I] didn’t believe it could be true,” he told Bored Panda. So, he decided to investigate it to the best of his abilities. Afterward, Ryan compiled his findings and wrote a comprehensive text that immediately went viral.
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My day was completely ruined yesterday when I stumbled upon a fun fact that absolutely obliterated my mind. I saw this tweet yesterday that said that not everyone has an internal monologue in their head. All my life, I could hear my voice in my head and speak in full sentences as if I was talking out loud. I thought everyone experienced this, so I did not believe that it could be true at that time. Literally the first person I asked was a classmate of mine who said that she can not “hear” her voice in her mind. I asked her if she could have a conversation with herself in her head and she looked at me funny like I was the weird one in this situation. So I began to become more intrigued. Most people I asked said that they have this internal monologue that is running rampant throughout the day. However, every once in a while, someone would say that they don’t experience this.
My life began to slowly spiral out of control with millions of questions. How do they get through the day? How do they read? How do they make decisions between choice A and choice B? My friend described it as “concept maps” that she sees in her brain. Another friend says that she literally sees the words in her head if she is trying to think about something. I was taking ibuprofen at this point in the day because my brain was literally unable to comprehend this revelation. How have I made it 25 years in life without realizing that people don’t think like me?
I posted a poll on Instagram to get a more accurate assessment of the situation. Currently, 91 people have responded that they have an internal monologue and 18 people reported that they do not have this. I began asking those people questions about the things that they experience and it is quite different from the majority. I would tell them that I could look at myself in the mirror and have a full-blown telepathic conversation with myself without opening my mouth and they responded as if I had schizophrenia. One person even mentioned that when they do voice-overs in movies of people’s thoughts, they “wished that it was real.”
And to their surprise, they did not know that the majority of people do in fact experience that echoey voice in their head that is portrayed in TV and film. Another person said that if they tried to have a conversation with themselves in the mirror, they would have to speak out loud because they can’t physically do it inside of their mind.
I started posting screenshots of these conversations on my Instagram and my inbox started to flood with people responding to my “investigation.” Many people were reassuring me that I was not crazy about having an internal monologue, while others were as absolutely mind blown as I was. People were telling me that I ruined their day and that they now do not understand anything about life. Maybe you are all just a figment of my imagination, but regardless, yesterday made reality seem even more skewed. How do they think? How does this affect their relationships, jobs, experiences, education? How has this not been mentioned to me before? All of these questions started flooding my mind. Can those people without the internal monologue even formulate these questions in their mind? If they can, how does it happen if they don’t “hear” their voice? I mentioned earlier that I was spiraling out of control. Well, as I write this and as I hear my own voice in my head, I am continuing to fall down the rabbit hole.
Whether people just have different definitions of their thoughts, or if people literally don’t have an internal monologue, there is one thing that we do know… you will definitely get a headache if you keep thinking about this. Just trying to wrap my head around it is causing irreversible brain damage. I suggest asking people around you what they experience. If you are one of the few that do not have this internal monologue, please enlighten me, because I still do not understand life anymore. Send help.
“Hundreds have DMed me about this topic,” Langdon said. “[Both] the people who could verbalize their thoughts (team neuroverbal) and the ones that couldn’t (team neurovisual).”
So far, the man doesn’t plan to continue his studies. “I hope real scientists take this thing that I made so many people [can become] aware of [it] and make big changes to how we address mental health.”
Here’s what people said about Ryan’s findings
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This is so interesting. I never really thought about how other people don't think the same. I dream in vivid colour and sound, and I found out some people don't. This is the same. As child I had such vivid imagination, I would just run up and down on the lawn, totally silent, and imagine I was a warrior queen giving a speech to my armies. I would hear my own voice with a fancy accent and then change the voice when the commanders would answers her/me. See it, hear it, get totally caught up in it. The quiet must be nice, but how do people who think differently entertain themselves?
I have whole arguments with people in my head. I wonder if this could be an indication as to what learning styles work best with different people.
Load More Replies...I can create whole "movie" scenes (I can create the story, see the characters, hear the dialogs, ...) in my head while trying to fall asleep
I almost always do that when going to bed, and I get annoyed that I fall asleep without completing the "scene"
Load More Replies...You think that's weird? I have aphantasia, so.. blank mind. Nothing. Nada. No voices, no pictures, no visual memories of any kind. Heck, I can't even visualize stuff that I know looks like stuff. "Clear your mind." Dude my mind is as clear as it gets. And yet I can draw and create art. How does that make sense?!?
Maybe it's easier for you to "think" externally. It becomes your art.
Load More Replies...This is so fascinating. I don't know how I would have survived childhood without that internal voice. I was incredibly shy and my step dad was mentally and emotionally abusive. If I couldn't have escaped into my own mind, I would have gone crazy. As in padded room institutionalized crazy. Now I'm worried that all these people are lonely because they don't have themselves to talk to and it's legitimately stressing me out.
Don't stress, at least not without knowing more. Idk what psychologists and neuroscientists have to say about this exactly, but from a common sense layperson standpiont, it may be the case that people who's minds work quite differently from ours (I'm a fellow constant inner monologue/dialogue person) are just as content with how their thinking happens as we are. Heck, they may think (as I tend to about my nonstop internal conversations) that they 'wouldn't have it any other way.' I'm glad you were able to use your inner monologue as a coping mechanism for a difficult childhood, but it may be that those w/ less verbal thoughts cope just as fully, e.g. by imagining vivid visual images or meaningful soundscapes. If you do want to stress about other people's mental states, read about cases of schizophrenia, clinical psychopathy, severe depression and locked in syndrome.
Load More Replies...Internal monologues? Try an internal dialogues, ranging from the gentlest to the angriest, with a cast of hundreds of self-appointed philosopher kings who constantly vie for the shifting locus of control, to get some sense of my internal mental state. It's like an enormous parliament in there, with an ever growing cast of voices and another election every 1-4 hours.
Stuff like this does blow my mind. I use to think if we could see through eachother's eyes we would realize we are alike, but the reality is, people literally think differently... I can't imagine turning off your brain or not having a constant internal dialogue or having a need to define every gut feeling
I didn't know so many people had this. I do. It's one of the reasons I have insomnia. I try sleeping, a thought comes over me, and a complete monologue happens. I have to watch mindless TV shows to shut out the noise.
OMG Me too!!! It is just like a constant stream of thoughts and sentences rushing in. I usually go on my phone and scroll through something like Bored Panda to make it stop.
Load More Replies...Right now my inner dialog is driving me nuts about this post. Sometimes I wish it would shut the f**k up.
Wait can you guys do the thing where you can hear the entire song in your head with the singers voice but you can't hear it
yes, it's so weird. i'll have a song stuck in my head for hours but i somehow can't actually hear it. it's more like remembering what the song sounds like, i think?
Load More Replies...i don't just have one internal voice, i have soooo many, and i'm constantly talking with them, both internally and out loud sometimes. that's not weird at all, right? right?!?!?
I'm a verbal thinker. Complete conversations. Narrating thoughts and ideas. My daydreams are verbally, I have a very hard time "picturing" things, except for traumatic things. For me the weird thing is that I think in a language that isn't my native tongue. I'm Dutch but I think in English, with a British accent.
Not the first time I encounter this piece of info, but still I can not imagine how a non-narrative thinking process works. Me, I'm very verbal and picturesque in my mind. So, when I'm going to literally paint you a picture to understand what I'm saying, don't get offended, it's for me, easier to communicate this way. Likewise, I need a story to understand things. Give me a hypothetical situation, a scenario, an illustration, an actual image.
I am ADHD and grew up learning disabled (reading difficulties) and work in computers. I have a monologue and never see words. It is always how I think I sound like to others and there is an occasional flow charts. I live alone and have a lot of time to myself. I get into short arguments like whether or not to attend the gym or what eat. It has always been my voice or someone I know personally so I just thought everyone had this train of thought.
I actually remember having had a conversation about this with my mother as a kid, and at that time I did not think in sentences. The conversation started with me asking what happens if someone is never taught a language, and she told me they would not be able to think. At that time it made so sense to me, because that's not how I thought. Weird thing is, I now only am able to think in sentences, and have a hard time not speaking them out loud. (I'm that weird guy speaking to himself as he walks the street). I wonder when and how the change happened.
I know the brain is capable of a lot of weirdness but this one slipped right on by. I now want to quiz everyone I meet as to how they think.
Yeah it's true! My husband is one of those who doesn't have an internal dialogue. Me, it's like Netflix on autoplay and there's also a radio playing in the room and I'm like a sports announcer responding to EVERYTHING. You can imagine how maddening it was to ask my husband what he was thinking about or what song was stuck in his head that day 😂 My brain can be so much but mediation really helps.
So when I ask my husband what he's thinking about and he says "nothing", he could actually be telling the truth?!?
Load More Replies...What an awesome topic. This is so interesting. I can't even imagine my internal monologue not being present at all times. I have so many questions!!
Yes I hear my own voice when I read stuff. Or put it other voices to make a conversation if reading it that way. Like those texts. And yes also picture images when describing something to someone too. But the best to ask someone is if when dreaming can they see themselves if they looked in a mirror or is it like real life where you participate but don't see yourself (but like your hands or legs an body but not face as in normal existence).
I've dreamed both ways, seeing myself as if I'm watching a video almost and being myself, where I can see my hands move around in front of me just like real life. Usually when I see myself, something is different though. Like last night, I don't remember specifically all I was dreaming about, but I vividly remember watching myself. I have short hair in real life, but this dream version of me had long, shoulder blade length hair. But I still FELT like I was inside that body even though I was watching from outside. Our minds are mysterious!
Load More Replies...Interesting. My thoughts are like neverending illustrated book and voice reading it aloud. I imagine written words, and then create picture or "movie scene" with commentary. Sometimes in Czech, sometimes in English, or in mashup of both languages.
I have internal monologues all the time. And dialogues. In several languages (not bragging, it's the nature of my job to use several languages). Brushing my teeth can be doubled by an entire speech. I simply could not picture a different way of thinking. Full sentences, pictures that are sometimes crystal-clear, or even entire movie-like sequences (loading activities, parking manoeuvers). Without this kind of thinking environment, I doubt I could do my job. It is kind of exhausting, however...
I've always picked a random person in my head and whatever I'm thinking about I'm having a one sided convo with that person in my mind. Maybe its more of my day dreaming.. Like I design houses in my head and I'm always telling someone how the houses look in my head, instead of just thinking how they look. But if I'm having an out loud convo with someone it's just me in my head thinking in almost complete sentences.
for example We are rehabbing a hawk right now. I was just trying to think of what I needed to do with it today and in my head I was telling my cousin Gina what I needed to do with the hawk instead of just thinking it. It's like seeing a psychiatrist in my head. I'm always talking but they arent..It's been like that since I was a kid.Or if I'm thinking of a book I read it's me in my head explaining the book to someone.I'm talking to someone in my head now trying to figure out what to write here. I wish I could just talk to myself in my head
Load More Replies...I've always thought in dialogue. There's two of us, we're both me and we're both one but when I think, it's always a conversation between us. I always thought everyone thought like that. How do you ever decide whether something's the right thing to do if you can't have a discussion with yourself before hand?
I do both. My internal world is a mixture of key words, vivid scenes and whole sentences/conversations. This reminds me of a documentary I once saw, where people were linked to a computer and had to make it write something. A lot (if not most) people would fail, because they would just keep "saying" the word/letter in their head, which the computer couldn't really read. The ones who succeed actually pictured the word/letter in their mind, which allowed the computer to "see" it and reproduce it.
There must be other people who do both, c'mon. I switch quite often between having a monologue and just a series of images in my mind. If I think out loud, it's usually a dialogue with an audience. When I imagine things, it's like a movie scene but it can contain a monologue.
I have thought about this a lot. And my interest lies in both thoughts and dreams. I dreamed exclusively in black and white until my early twenties. My dreams have always been HIGHLY vivid (I lucid dream regularly). I can feel and smell, but I cannot read in my dreams for the life of me. I might get one or two words in then it will start melting away. As far as thinking goes, I'm a mix of both visual and narrative. My inner monologue is constant, LOUD and over powering. My thoughts race and are intrusive (I'm diagnosed bipolar I and generalized anxiety). But my visual thoughts can be just as overbearing and invasive. Someone can say "imagine how it must feel to be shot" and I don't just think, damn... that'd hurt. I picture a gruesome scenario that is vivid, I hear the shot, see and smell the blood, feel the pain and panic.
All of us must start out "neuro-visual", since babies have no language to narrate their thoughts with. Somewhere along the line infants develop that internal monologue and it becomes so integral to our thinking that it becomes impossible to remember it not being there. I'd love to know what influences that development and if there are any correlations with external language & visual arts skills/preferences. Any neuroscientists out there with answers?
What's most shocking to me is that this seems to be an either/or situation for most people. I do both. Sometimes I think in words and others I think in abstract ideas and then have to verbalize it. I can't believe some people do one or the other.
I did not know that some people don't think in sentences. I have no idea how they do.
I looked this up a few weeks ago, so weird. Personally my thoughts are more images/abstract but I don't necessarily visualize when reading. Brains are strange.
And it's so hard to describe how I see/hear/think in my head.
Load More Replies...Is anyone able to do it all? "See" the sentences in your brain, hear yourself, recall how someone else's voice sounds and 'see' pictures with the minds eye??? because I can & sometimes it is exhausting & I need to have some down time and I still end up visualizing and hearing my own voice telling me to relax and release all the stressful thoughts and experiences. I never thought that there are ppl that do not hear their own convos with their brains but see them instead. This is an awesome research topic!!
I recently had a similar mind-blown experience. You know when people say they have a photographic memory, you picture Benedryl Cucumberpatch doing his Sherlock thing? Turns out it's nothing like that - found out recently I, in fact, have one (it's actually called eidetic memory). Pretty much it just means I remember in movies/snapshots that last with excellent clarity for years. And I can pause/rewind/zoom in on the movies. I thought everyone did that and was really shocked to find out they don't!
That is interesting! I'm actually much more eloquent in my head than I am out loud. I can have full clever conversations explaining myself and my emotions or actions and thinking up phrases to say to myself or other people. Or I can come up with stories and things for my characters to say-- then the moment I open my mouth I'm a mess of verbal nonsense and awkwardness.
Seems like I experience emotions in my head before I exhibit them in actuality. There are words sometimes, sometimes not. I feel happiness like a warm blanket, or anger feels like spikes coming out of my skin. So many things are feelings first, then verbal, either in my head or my mouth. Usually don't verbalize that much, keep it to myself. For some reason I don't share my feelings/emotions much. And it's hard to even do the whole internal verbal dialogue. Strange.
I "hear my thoughts" in a monologue. But I wouldn't call it hearing. You're obviously not actually hearing it. Just saying. You're more or less "aware" of the words you're forming in your thoughts.
Yes....this is me and it happens when imaginging/hearing music.
Load More Replies...This just totally and completely blew my mind!! I had no idea some people don't think in words and/or images!! It never occurred to me we think differently. But now I think it's such a dumb assumption that we would all be the same cause hello! Wow! I really like the way I think and so wouldn't want to change it. But I do wish I could see what that's like for a minute or just 5 so I can understand more and be a better communicator!
I am also stunned! My life is an internal narrative, even when other people are talking to me my brain is telling me in sentences what my reply will be when they finish talking. It actually causes me to butt in a lot - to good I know, but I'm 50 and still struggle to control that, even though I know people hate it and it is rude. I also visualise things - like if I think of an apple, I can see me, or an elephant, or if I'm thinking about someone I am visually able to see them at the same time my internal monologue is running. Songs play in my head a lot too, but they are in the voice of the artist that sang them... I just thought everyone did this. Shock # 2 - just asked my husband if he had an internal narrative, and got a look of "OMG she's crazy!" 🤷♀️ Even when I tried to explain it he had no concept. Weird! I'm loving this article. My mind is sooooo busy all the time.
I'll take that inner dialogue and raise you an external conversation with yourself that you didn't realize you were having until you got weird looks from people
Sometimes my internal dialog is more real to me than the "real" world.
this morning I was having a monologue with myself before showe "hey, I wanna hear this music..." I thought and started to play ONE music. not 2min later, same voice "hey, do a playlist" and I thoughht about what music I wanted to hear AFTER the oen I was already thinking, "hey, maybe that other one!" and a third music was added. What I thought was annoying was that I was hearing/thinking in 3different music at same time in a backgrownd thought, while I was trying to remember where was my buscard and keys before leaving the house
Hey I'm still dealing with learning that not everyone day dreams throughout the day... seriously how do you people survive reality.. On the other hand it does explain a lot..
Up until i was like 18 every book i read was narrated by James Earl Jones 😂😂😂
Very interesting. I've never really thought about this! I've spent too much time already reading comments and thinking if i have an internal dialog, however i do hear other voices in my head throughout the day, usually the same voices. I started to realize this a couple years ago. I'm not sure if that's when those voices popped in my head or have always been there. At first, i thought they were real voices, as they sound so close and so real. Not long after, i then realized that they weren't real, but only voices out of my consciousness. At times, depending on the type of day I'm having, those voices change moods. Good day, positive voices, bad day, negative voices. Thankfully, i have more positive days than negative days. I'm unsure if I carry a normal, stable mentality by hearing other voices, or is there something else i need to know about my own mind! It's completely incredible and due to my finding, my interest in psychology definitely went up into space! I also have a very creative imagination. I dive into my sketchbook and come up with an incredible drawing, right out of my own mind. I realized earlier in life that i can feel vibes from a room full of people, sometimes by their facial expressions without saying a word, and that controls my own mood if i welcome those energies. The mind itself is an amazing, mind-blowing part of us... our actions, our thoughts, our way of living, our entire life! Its really a beautiful thing.
I live alone and am not in a relationship (except with my cat, and she's not a good conversationalist). I'm so used to having an internal dialogue going, that I often start talking in the middle of a thought, and other people think I'm insane. Usually I just say something like my train of thought got off at the wrong station so they won't shun me.
I think I do both. Sometimes I think in words - especially when I think about conversations to be had/had been had or make plans. Sometimes I just, well, think... And I definitely think in pictures, too. Like I can sketch my ideas and try different layouts and designs in my mind without even taking my pencil to paper. When I read, I rarely remember dialog lines or even the plot, but I retain vivid pictures in my mind of the setting in the story, full with lighting and sound effects. I download and check out a lot of books and I never remember author names or book titles. So I often start reading something I've read before and I would be like - I have no idea what happens in the plot, but I know that now the character will walk out into this dimly-lit alley way, and there will be drizzling rain and glistening pavement and everything will be black with yellow electric light and it will be cold and gloomy...
Honestly, I hear and see things in my head. When I’m thinking to myself, I end up “narrating” the things I do. I also refer to myself in 2nd person, like “how could you be so stupid?!!” Whenever I imagine something fictional it’s like a scene from a movie. I see the people and places extremely clearly. I never see words unless I consciously try to imagine them. This probably isn’t what most people have though 🤷🏻♀️😅
Am I one of a few that both style of thought happens pretty much simultaneously? The verbal, and the visual?
My brain is like a windows browser. Fifteen tabs are open, 3 of them are frozen and i have no idea where that damn music is coming from.
I’m verbal. I can hear my thoughts. But, I remember being aware when I was as a kid...4? 5? as I was gaining more language that I was losing the nonverbal, conceptual thinking mode. I was disappointed. I realized my brain was working differently and I thought it would be limiting. Language is a tool, it stands between you and pure thought, or at least that was my concern at the time. I’ve worked hard to retain the conceptual mode, but it’s difficult and I always have to practice to keep it.
I have had an internal voice for as long as I can remember. I was seen by a doctor and told her about how the "voice inside my head" won't ever be quiet, one of the things contributing to my insomnia. She prescribed low dose ADHD medication for me and when I take it the internal voice goes away. This voice is not like a mental health patient would her saying it tells them to do things, it is just a rolling commentary that the brain sends out 24/7. So if you have an internal voice and it bothers you or disrupts your activities, speak to your doctor. It was a psychiatrist that prescribed the medication.
this reminds me of that time in school during creative writing class, we got to write something up and then give it to another person to have them review. what i had was "too much monologue, not realistic". that was the first time I found out that not everyone has a complete conversation with themselves in their mind before making a decision or, say, just to fill in the boredom of being alone.
Temple Grandin, the professor of animal science at Colorado State University, is autistic. She said she was non-verbal in her early childhood and that she has always thought in pictures, not words. She wrote a book called, " Thinking in Pictures" in 1995 which explains what that is like; the book was revised in 2006. She also wrote, "The Autistic Brain: Thinking Across the Spectrum". Also, people who are deaf and blind think; it boggles my mind wondering what the process is like. The brain is a fascinating thing!
Are the people who don't think in full sentences, don't have conversations with themselves, the ones who fall asleep as soon as their head hits the pillow? Cos I want that power.
I think in my head but don't hear myself but more see images and words I never thought about It but I can't hear myself unless i'm talking
I'm not sure I really understand this discussion -- I mean, I think in full sentences, and I think a lot (probably overthink) -- but I don't actually hear those thoughts -- in my own voice or anyone else's. I can't quite grasp how it's possible to think without sort of silently hearing the words. I mean, I've heard people say they don't know what they're going to say until they hear it come out of their mouth -- is that what the alternative is to thinking things through in your head? I don't know if it's relevant but I'm one of those who cannot visualize things, especially faces, even the faces of my children, who I love more than anything in this world. My brain can briefly latch onto specific characteristics -- an eye color, a jawline, hair, etc. but I can't ever see the whole thing in one piece. I do recognize them in person, of course, but can't call up what they look like iif they're out of sight.
Interesting..not visualising faces..My dogs have a large crowd of friends,22 or more and we meet them and their owners every day in the park.If I meet them in the street and they greet me I will only recognise them if accompanied by their dogs.It has bothered me no end as I do not want to be thought of as being snooty.
Load More Replies...Very interesting indeed! I never realised there are people without an inner voice. Now I am wondering if any of you have an "inner Ipod" besides that inner voice? It is different than the occasional earworm, it is constantly streaming music in an endless playlist. In my case it is associative: a song can be triggered by a word, an image or simply be in the same key as a song I hear. I have never been able to find any information or research about it... The only other person I know who has this is my brother so it might just be a genetic hardware malfunction ;)
I'm the same. Constant music. It can be at the forefront and I'm happily singing away in my head or, and this is most often the case, it's in the background and I have the inner monologue or dialogue going on over the top. Whatever is going on there are usually images. I do rather envy those who have quiet heads. I've never managed to find a way to meditate.
Load More Replies...I found this out when I was talking to my dad about a book we had both read and while reading it I had a full cinematic picture going on in my brain and he just... didn't. Like he just straight up can't picture stuff
I love reading. I can play the scene out in my head like a movie. I think that's why I love reading so much. But as I'm reading I hear the words "out loud" in my head like a narrator talking to someone. But if I'm not reading iim in conversation mode in my head.
Load More Replies...I caught myself thinking in German one time after spending many hours over the weekend with people who spoke only German. (I speak only English.) My vocabulary was extremely limited so there were few actual words even though there were complete thoughts as I reviewed the weekend. Of course, as soon as I realized that I was thinking in German that thought was in English, I may have even said it out loud, and I couldn't go back to the German.
interesting, I have the inner monologue but not all the time, speaking 2 languages I tend to visualize what I am thinking while speaking, when you flip from one language to another it is much easier than translating thoughts. At least for me it is.
I have no internal monologue (well kinda but not really) I have instead of a voice I have it where the sound around me pitches up and down slightly to form word sounding sounds. If I’m all on my own in a quiet room my breath is pitches up and down. I like having music so my thoughts have something to “cling” to
I wonder whether this has some sort of effect on politics and democracy. Like, do people with verbal and narrative thoughts are more prone to be empathic towards others, and thus, think of others when making political decisions? Or, is it easier to detach and disconnect yourself from others if your thoughts are abstract? I think science should study this seriously and in earnest.
I don't hear my voice when I'm thinking nor do I see words or pictures. I do think in sentences but I don't hear a voice associated with them. The only color I have ever remembered from a dream is yellow. Perhaps I'm an NPC is this crazy simulation we call living.
I am also mindblown about this topic!!! I thought everyone hears their own voice or some voice in their head and visualize things in their minds. I argue with myself in my head and if it becomes too much I verbalize them. Someone even told my I overthink and heck that's what I do.. My brain is never empty even when sleeping as my dreams are vivid and mostly the scenes are cinematic in a sense. I even hear/compose music in my dreams (no, I'm not in any way music oriented though I know how to sing) in different languages (I am fluent in 4 languages) and even in Japanese when I barely speak it! I'm now curious how different people with different jobs like scientists, actors, artists think in their heads and how being a neuroverbal or neurovisual relates to IQ.
OMG, I can NEVER turn my inner voice off...sometimes, I just say to my self, "Please, shut up!" I have to literally take to rest on the weekends, just to get away from noise, people, and focus on something intently; i.e., reading, study course, etc.; whereby, I can actually rest.
My inner monologue is always going ten times faster than me so I just dont bother talking. It's really annoying because it makes talking to people a struggle. So I started keeping a diary because writing it down forces me to slow my thoughts and it actually really helps. Obviously my brain is still going 24/7 but I can tone it down when I'm speaking to someone so that I can actually verbalize my thoughts
I actually cannot tell. Can you be a mix? Cuz yeah, sometimes I talk to myself in my head and sometimes I feel and almost see my thoughts and almost like smell, hear, taste, etc. like whaaa?
this is so weird! you don't ¨hear¨ yourself when you think?!?!?! what?!?!?!
So another fun and interesting fact There is a music college here in South Africa that tests you before you enroll in order to see how your brain works. They say there are two types. Visual and Physical. Visual hears in colors or images and learns by listening. Physical hears when listening or seeing someone play and learns from music notation.
so pretty cool fun fact. there is a music college in South Africa that tests you on how your brain thinks. Apparently there are two different types. some people hear music in colour and learn it through hearing and others hear music in visual and learn it fiscally...
So if one can't visualise things does that mean that they can't have dreams? Or dream in sentences like reading a pictureless novel? I'm bamboozled!
So... I don't have an "internal narrative" in that I don't 'hear' my voice when I'm thinking? But I 'hear'... something that makes my thoughts 'audible', per say. It's very much not my voice, which is very confusing... I do have an internal radio that likes to play random music a good percentage of the time - I'd say it's like having an earworm, but sometimes the song is something you haven't listened to in ten years and changes on a whim and sometimes in the worst moment possible. Stereotypical elevator music, kids' songs, rock, country - anything it wants. Anyone else have that?
Kind of like when you can imagine a song in your head, you could imagine words (even if you're not really hearing it) I'm pretty sure I have internal monologue
I have the internal narrative and when I get too deep into reading it kind of switches to what I call a movie in my mind with a voiceover.
Fascinating....i wouldn't say I hear my thoughts but I don't see them and they are there so it must be hearing. I hear music frequently. I come up with scenes too, especially jam sessions or concerts. I do not see things in my mind though. I can't imagine a cat. I just looked at something and closed my eyes and all I see is black space. I always assumed that was why I could never draw beyond sort of abstract, pattern type sketches. I always assumed that artists, photographers were recreating what they had in their mind. ARTISTS: is that happening? What kind of thinker are you? Im a hobbyist musician that is pretty good but only because I beat the art form into submission. I can't hear music properly. If I hear a song and then try to recreate it in my head I get MY version, this is not great for playing other people's music BUT people like my 'flavor' and this is definitely a good thing. 1st post here...tex t limit aieeeeeee
Cont. I have a friend that hear and play things and he hears whole songs in his head. I always assumed that was why he could do what he did. The inner song dialogue. He is also a good photog which is transferring the POV that is 'good' onto film (nature stuff, not abstract) I think the LACK of a voice would be good because you would do with thinking about it. ARTISTS: What is your medium, internal dia-type (visual, hearing, picture,none) and how does it play out?
Load More Replies...I love that! I am wondering now, are people with multi-language skills having monologues with themselves in every language they know? I noticed my inner conversation changes the language, whenever I swap the speaking language, which is quite a fun rollercoaster because I use three languages on the daily basis :D Anyone else?
Interesting.. does that mean people who cant hear or visualise thoughts are immune to anxiety because you don't have the little voice telling you what can go wrong?
I didn't even bother reading most of this. I do not think in words. That does not mean I don't have an inner "monologue", it just means it's not in words. I think in ideas, blobs of ideas, sometimes charts and graphs. I think. Why do I need to translate that into words until it's time to explain those thoughts to someone else? BTW, people who don't think in words are being shut out more and more from society. I'm going to therapy right now to figure out how to live in this world. This world is f**ked. The stupid gregarious managers think if everyone is not like them, then something is going wrong at the workplace.
Shh... silence, americans are discovering the basics of linguistics. I suggest reading Ferdinand de Saussure
For the longest time, inner dialogue was my way of thinking. Upon my third attempt at meditation, that way of thinking stopped, which was a relief in that thinking felt so much lighter. This lasted for years, despite not meditating but has crept back, yet never as heavy and intense as it used to be.
This blew my mind, too. I had no idea, so many people are verbalizing anything. I can talk endlessly, but in my head things just ...are. I don't think 'I'll go into the kitchen to get some tea', I just feel it and then do it. It boggles my mind that people really do have endless chatter int their heads.
I've had an internal monologue my whole life, and it's usually helpful. However, I can also "turn it off" if I want to, like for meditating
Ok so what I'm noticing is that is comes in degrees for me. I *can* use internal, non physical-action-in-any-way, narration, but only in company and if I do it consciously. If I'm, say, walking down the street, I'll speak in a soft voice (low enough so that others won't hear it). And at times I even don't speak, but my tongue moves in my mouth, and my breathing matches the rhythm of the words I'm thinking of. If I'm entirely by myself, I just speak aloud my every thought.
Personally I am still adjusting to finding out that not everyone daydreams throughout the day.. Seriously how do those people deal with reality.. Although it does explain alot..
I have an external monologue with myself. That's it. I'm talking to myself out loud.
Can you be both ? I wonder because when I talk to myself or think to myself I clearly have sentences as if I were talking .... however I tried this and when I am arguing or explaining matters of the heart I feel I have thoughts and feelings and I talk and talk to find Out what they are. Trust me I know, it makes for a bad boyfriend but whatever hahaha
And that is why people find reading boring...they can't imagine what is happening, just see words.
Up vote this comment if you hear someone talking in your mind. I think this is what separates visual learners from audio learners.
my mind is a life advisor and an oracle.. he talk me back dude..
I'm inbetween. I can imagine images in my head, but they are very blurry like the camera effect fisheye. Plus to have any detail it takes alot of effort so usually if someone says elephant I think of a rudimentary outline and vague colouring of an elephant. My internal dialogue is the same, it takes focus and effort. I have lived without a dialogue and I still do forget to say things internally. When I was without one entirely I felt very vague and really disconnected from the world. I think the narrative helps to point out things you wouldn't notice if you were in blank absorbing mode like a sponge. Other people in this thread seem to have conversions with other people in their head or have a wide range of cast and characters. In my head, when I talk internally, it's just me. I wish I could see images crystal clear in my head or have more than myself in my head. I think it would be a lot less boring. I totally picked a job where it was chaos to distract from my internal quiet
Just one voice? I can hear different voices. Like if I read a book & the character was an old man, I hear the voice of an old man. I constantly talk to myself & easily got lost in music.
I can play songs in my head while also imagining the spotify layout all together with the album cover and the play and pause button and reverse or next button. So i can hear my thoughts and also visualize it vividly in my head. and if i want to ''change'' the song in my head it'd be like ''hitting'' the next button like in spotify. and if I cant get the song out of my head its like i have it on single loop settings. I can do both
While I was reading this, I was thinking about deaf and mute people (I'm referring to those who have this from birth, so no acquired deafness or vocal cord injury, etc.). They can't hear, speak, or maybe both, so how do they know how they sound like? I imagine their thoughts must be in the form of words, pictures, and diagrams with no internal monologues. Unless they have aphantasia as well so.. will their minds just be full of words or maybe even blank all the time? There's still so much that we don't know about the mind. It's so interesting!
After 25 years of marriage, I know enough about my spouse to not even bring up this topic. I already know he thinks I am mentally unstable and bizarre and everything else because I have constant narratives running, usually multiple stories and layers of possibilities of what could or might happen, in my head at all times and it's just easier for him to label me a weirdo than accept he doesn't think and process in the same manner. God forbid both ways could actually exist and be 'normal'.... and yes, love and good sex conquers all...
I play music in my head all the time when I'm bored, complete with instruments and voices. I thought everyone could do that. No? I also visualize interior design a lot, just because I enjoy it. I once spent an hour lying in an MRI, redecorating my house in my mind. I joke about the voices in my head, but I don't really have them. I don't think in sentences, at all.
I have conversations in my head, both with myself and with others, but I neither hear them nor do I picture things as words. If I'm asked to picture an elephant I will see an image of an elephant in my mind, not the word elephant
I am now contacted every person I know because I think is absolutely INSANE!
Come to think of it , it would be very lonely without the sarcastic critic in there.
I sometimes actually stop breathing when I'm thinking, because I cant "hear" the voice in my head.
See I can hear my voice in my head and like I can say stuff but it's one sided and super hard to process I need to have an outloud conversation with myself so I can understand what I'm trying to do and then it's two sided. Because there's not enough room in my brain and if I say stuff out loud I have more space to think and it's like spreading out my words in the air so I can see what's happening
It's very surprising. I always thought people have conversations in their head like I do. I talk to myself, I talk with other people, create situations and stories. I also have conversations in english which is not my native language. I can also see the pictures of the situations, but I thought it's just imagination that we all have, and all of this is probably a reason why I can't sleep, my mind is always full..
I've never thought about this until now but it is very interesting and it surprised me how many different concepts of inner self are there. I have more than one, very vivid images, sometimes my own voice and other people voices (in different languages and different accents), sentences etc. - long story short, like one of people above noticed, it's like a neverending podcast in my head all day long.
Well...my brain is extremely talkative. But what bothers me more (than everything mentioned above) is The Nothing Box :-)
So people who see their thoughts can’t play play memorized music? My mind is broken.
Wow. I think quiet. Speak out loud, to myself, often. Thoughts are all colour and random.
I am not sure anyone really sees things in his/her mind. Don't believe me? Picture the name of the town you live in. Get a clear mental image. Now if you are seeing it in your mind's eye you should have no trouble spelling it backwards as fast as you could forward? Can't do it? Maybe something else is going on.
This is so interesting. I never really thought about how other people don't think the same. I dream in vivid colour and sound, and I found out some people don't. This is the same. As child I had such vivid imagination, I would just run up and down on the lawn, totally silent, and imagine I was a warrior queen giving a speech to my armies. I would hear my own voice with a fancy accent and then change the voice when the commanders would answers her/me. See it, hear it, get totally caught up in it. The quiet must be nice, but how do people who think differently entertain themselves?
I have whole arguments with people in my head. I wonder if this could be an indication as to what learning styles work best with different people.
Load More Replies...I can create whole "movie" scenes (I can create the story, see the characters, hear the dialogs, ...) in my head while trying to fall asleep
I almost always do that when going to bed, and I get annoyed that I fall asleep without completing the "scene"
Load More Replies...You think that's weird? I have aphantasia, so.. blank mind. Nothing. Nada. No voices, no pictures, no visual memories of any kind. Heck, I can't even visualize stuff that I know looks like stuff. "Clear your mind." Dude my mind is as clear as it gets. And yet I can draw and create art. How does that make sense?!?
Maybe it's easier for you to "think" externally. It becomes your art.
Load More Replies...This is so fascinating. I don't know how I would have survived childhood without that internal voice. I was incredibly shy and my step dad was mentally and emotionally abusive. If I couldn't have escaped into my own mind, I would have gone crazy. As in padded room institutionalized crazy. Now I'm worried that all these people are lonely because they don't have themselves to talk to and it's legitimately stressing me out.
Don't stress, at least not without knowing more. Idk what psychologists and neuroscientists have to say about this exactly, but from a common sense layperson standpiont, it may be the case that people who's minds work quite differently from ours (I'm a fellow constant inner monologue/dialogue person) are just as content with how their thinking happens as we are. Heck, they may think (as I tend to about my nonstop internal conversations) that they 'wouldn't have it any other way.' I'm glad you were able to use your inner monologue as a coping mechanism for a difficult childhood, but it may be that those w/ less verbal thoughts cope just as fully, e.g. by imagining vivid visual images or meaningful soundscapes. If you do want to stress about other people's mental states, read about cases of schizophrenia, clinical psychopathy, severe depression and locked in syndrome.
Load More Replies...Internal monologues? Try an internal dialogues, ranging from the gentlest to the angriest, with a cast of hundreds of self-appointed philosopher kings who constantly vie for the shifting locus of control, to get some sense of my internal mental state. It's like an enormous parliament in there, with an ever growing cast of voices and another election every 1-4 hours.
Stuff like this does blow my mind. I use to think if we could see through eachother's eyes we would realize we are alike, but the reality is, people literally think differently... I can't imagine turning off your brain or not having a constant internal dialogue or having a need to define every gut feeling
I didn't know so many people had this. I do. It's one of the reasons I have insomnia. I try sleeping, a thought comes over me, and a complete monologue happens. I have to watch mindless TV shows to shut out the noise.
OMG Me too!!! It is just like a constant stream of thoughts and sentences rushing in. I usually go on my phone and scroll through something like Bored Panda to make it stop.
Load More Replies...Right now my inner dialog is driving me nuts about this post. Sometimes I wish it would shut the f**k up.
Wait can you guys do the thing where you can hear the entire song in your head with the singers voice but you can't hear it
yes, it's so weird. i'll have a song stuck in my head for hours but i somehow can't actually hear it. it's more like remembering what the song sounds like, i think?
Load More Replies...i don't just have one internal voice, i have soooo many, and i'm constantly talking with them, both internally and out loud sometimes. that's not weird at all, right? right?!?!?
I'm a verbal thinker. Complete conversations. Narrating thoughts and ideas. My daydreams are verbally, I have a very hard time "picturing" things, except for traumatic things. For me the weird thing is that I think in a language that isn't my native tongue. I'm Dutch but I think in English, with a British accent.
Not the first time I encounter this piece of info, but still I can not imagine how a non-narrative thinking process works. Me, I'm very verbal and picturesque in my mind. So, when I'm going to literally paint you a picture to understand what I'm saying, don't get offended, it's for me, easier to communicate this way. Likewise, I need a story to understand things. Give me a hypothetical situation, a scenario, an illustration, an actual image.
I am ADHD and grew up learning disabled (reading difficulties) and work in computers. I have a monologue and never see words. It is always how I think I sound like to others and there is an occasional flow charts. I live alone and have a lot of time to myself. I get into short arguments like whether or not to attend the gym or what eat. It has always been my voice or someone I know personally so I just thought everyone had this train of thought.
I actually remember having had a conversation about this with my mother as a kid, and at that time I did not think in sentences. The conversation started with me asking what happens if someone is never taught a language, and she told me they would not be able to think. At that time it made so sense to me, because that's not how I thought. Weird thing is, I now only am able to think in sentences, and have a hard time not speaking them out loud. (I'm that weird guy speaking to himself as he walks the street). I wonder when and how the change happened.
I know the brain is capable of a lot of weirdness but this one slipped right on by. I now want to quiz everyone I meet as to how they think.
Yeah it's true! My husband is one of those who doesn't have an internal dialogue. Me, it's like Netflix on autoplay and there's also a radio playing in the room and I'm like a sports announcer responding to EVERYTHING. You can imagine how maddening it was to ask my husband what he was thinking about or what song was stuck in his head that day 😂 My brain can be so much but mediation really helps.
So when I ask my husband what he's thinking about and he says "nothing", he could actually be telling the truth?!?
Load More Replies...What an awesome topic. This is so interesting. I can't even imagine my internal monologue not being present at all times. I have so many questions!!
Yes I hear my own voice when I read stuff. Or put it other voices to make a conversation if reading it that way. Like those texts. And yes also picture images when describing something to someone too. But the best to ask someone is if when dreaming can they see themselves if they looked in a mirror or is it like real life where you participate but don't see yourself (but like your hands or legs an body but not face as in normal existence).
I've dreamed both ways, seeing myself as if I'm watching a video almost and being myself, where I can see my hands move around in front of me just like real life. Usually when I see myself, something is different though. Like last night, I don't remember specifically all I was dreaming about, but I vividly remember watching myself. I have short hair in real life, but this dream version of me had long, shoulder blade length hair. But I still FELT like I was inside that body even though I was watching from outside. Our minds are mysterious!
Load More Replies...Interesting. My thoughts are like neverending illustrated book and voice reading it aloud. I imagine written words, and then create picture or "movie scene" with commentary. Sometimes in Czech, sometimes in English, or in mashup of both languages.
I have internal monologues all the time. And dialogues. In several languages (not bragging, it's the nature of my job to use several languages). Brushing my teeth can be doubled by an entire speech. I simply could not picture a different way of thinking. Full sentences, pictures that are sometimes crystal-clear, or even entire movie-like sequences (loading activities, parking manoeuvers). Without this kind of thinking environment, I doubt I could do my job. It is kind of exhausting, however...
I've always picked a random person in my head and whatever I'm thinking about I'm having a one sided convo with that person in my mind. Maybe its more of my day dreaming.. Like I design houses in my head and I'm always telling someone how the houses look in my head, instead of just thinking how they look. But if I'm having an out loud convo with someone it's just me in my head thinking in almost complete sentences.
for example We are rehabbing a hawk right now. I was just trying to think of what I needed to do with it today and in my head I was telling my cousin Gina what I needed to do with the hawk instead of just thinking it. It's like seeing a psychiatrist in my head. I'm always talking but they arent..It's been like that since I was a kid.Or if I'm thinking of a book I read it's me in my head explaining the book to someone.I'm talking to someone in my head now trying to figure out what to write here. I wish I could just talk to myself in my head
Load More Replies...I've always thought in dialogue. There's two of us, we're both me and we're both one but when I think, it's always a conversation between us. I always thought everyone thought like that. How do you ever decide whether something's the right thing to do if you can't have a discussion with yourself before hand?
I do both. My internal world is a mixture of key words, vivid scenes and whole sentences/conversations. This reminds me of a documentary I once saw, where people were linked to a computer and had to make it write something. A lot (if not most) people would fail, because they would just keep "saying" the word/letter in their head, which the computer couldn't really read. The ones who succeed actually pictured the word/letter in their mind, which allowed the computer to "see" it and reproduce it.
There must be other people who do both, c'mon. I switch quite often between having a monologue and just a series of images in my mind. If I think out loud, it's usually a dialogue with an audience. When I imagine things, it's like a movie scene but it can contain a monologue.
I have thought about this a lot. And my interest lies in both thoughts and dreams. I dreamed exclusively in black and white until my early twenties. My dreams have always been HIGHLY vivid (I lucid dream regularly). I can feel and smell, but I cannot read in my dreams for the life of me. I might get one or two words in then it will start melting away. As far as thinking goes, I'm a mix of both visual and narrative. My inner monologue is constant, LOUD and over powering. My thoughts race and are intrusive (I'm diagnosed bipolar I and generalized anxiety). But my visual thoughts can be just as overbearing and invasive. Someone can say "imagine how it must feel to be shot" and I don't just think, damn... that'd hurt. I picture a gruesome scenario that is vivid, I hear the shot, see and smell the blood, feel the pain and panic.
All of us must start out "neuro-visual", since babies have no language to narrate their thoughts with. Somewhere along the line infants develop that internal monologue and it becomes so integral to our thinking that it becomes impossible to remember it not being there. I'd love to know what influences that development and if there are any correlations with external language & visual arts skills/preferences. Any neuroscientists out there with answers?
What's most shocking to me is that this seems to be an either/or situation for most people. I do both. Sometimes I think in words and others I think in abstract ideas and then have to verbalize it. I can't believe some people do one or the other.
I did not know that some people don't think in sentences. I have no idea how they do.
I looked this up a few weeks ago, so weird. Personally my thoughts are more images/abstract but I don't necessarily visualize when reading. Brains are strange.
And it's so hard to describe how I see/hear/think in my head.
Load More Replies...Is anyone able to do it all? "See" the sentences in your brain, hear yourself, recall how someone else's voice sounds and 'see' pictures with the minds eye??? because I can & sometimes it is exhausting & I need to have some down time and I still end up visualizing and hearing my own voice telling me to relax and release all the stressful thoughts and experiences. I never thought that there are ppl that do not hear their own convos with their brains but see them instead. This is an awesome research topic!!
I recently had a similar mind-blown experience. You know when people say they have a photographic memory, you picture Benedryl Cucumberpatch doing his Sherlock thing? Turns out it's nothing like that - found out recently I, in fact, have one (it's actually called eidetic memory). Pretty much it just means I remember in movies/snapshots that last with excellent clarity for years. And I can pause/rewind/zoom in on the movies. I thought everyone did that and was really shocked to find out they don't!
That is interesting! I'm actually much more eloquent in my head than I am out loud. I can have full clever conversations explaining myself and my emotions or actions and thinking up phrases to say to myself or other people. Or I can come up with stories and things for my characters to say-- then the moment I open my mouth I'm a mess of verbal nonsense and awkwardness.
Seems like I experience emotions in my head before I exhibit them in actuality. There are words sometimes, sometimes not. I feel happiness like a warm blanket, or anger feels like spikes coming out of my skin. So many things are feelings first, then verbal, either in my head or my mouth. Usually don't verbalize that much, keep it to myself. For some reason I don't share my feelings/emotions much. And it's hard to even do the whole internal verbal dialogue. Strange.
I "hear my thoughts" in a monologue. But I wouldn't call it hearing. You're obviously not actually hearing it. Just saying. You're more or less "aware" of the words you're forming in your thoughts.
Yes....this is me and it happens when imaginging/hearing music.
Load More Replies...This just totally and completely blew my mind!! I had no idea some people don't think in words and/or images!! It never occurred to me we think differently. But now I think it's such a dumb assumption that we would all be the same cause hello! Wow! I really like the way I think and so wouldn't want to change it. But I do wish I could see what that's like for a minute or just 5 so I can understand more and be a better communicator!
I am also stunned! My life is an internal narrative, even when other people are talking to me my brain is telling me in sentences what my reply will be when they finish talking. It actually causes me to butt in a lot - to good I know, but I'm 50 and still struggle to control that, even though I know people hate it and it is rude. I also visualise things - like if I think of an apple, I can see me, or an elephant, or if I'm thinking about someone I am visually able to see them at the same time my internal monologue is running. Songs play in my head a lot too, but they are in the voice of the artist that sang them... I just thought everyone did this. Shock # 2 - just asked my husband if he had an internal narrative, and got a look of "OMG she's crazy!" 🤷♀️ Even when I tried to explain it he had no concept. Weird! I'm loving this article. My mind is sooooo busy all the time.
I'll take that inner dialogue and raise you an external conversation with yourself that you didn't realize you were having until you got weird looks from people
Sometimes my internal dialog is more real to me than the "real" world.
this morning I was having a monologue with myself before showe "hey, I wanna hear this music..." I thought and started to play ONE music. not 2min later, same voice "hey, do a playlist" and I thoughht about what music I wanted to hear AFTER the oen I was already thinking, "hey, maybe that other one!" and a third music was added. What I thought was annoying was that I was hearing/thinking in 3different music at same time in a backgrownd thought, while I was trying to remember where was my buscard and keys before leaving the house
Hey I'm still dealing with learning that not everyone day dreams throughout the day... seriously how do you people survive reality.. On the other hand it does explain a lot..
Up until i was like 18 every book i read was narrated by James Earl Jones 😂😂😂
Very interesting. I've never really thought about this! I've spent too much time already reading comments and thinking if i have an internal dialog, however i do hear other voices in my head throughout the day, usually the same voices. I started to realize this a couple years ago. I'm not sure if that's when those voices popped in my head or have always been there. At first, i thought they were real voices, as they sound so close and so real. Not long after, i then realized that they weren't real, but only voices out of my consciousness. At times, depending on the type of day I'm having, those voices change moods. Good day, positive voices, bad day, negative voices. Thankfully, i have more positive days than negative days. I'm unsure if I carry a normal, stable mentality by hearing other voices, or is there something else i need to know about my own mind! It's completely incredible and due to my finding, my interest in psychology definitely went up into space! I also have a very creative imagination. I dive into my sketchbook and come up with an incredible drawing, right out of my own mind. I realized earlier in life that i can feel vibes from a room full of people, sometimes by their facial expressions without saying a word, and that controls my own mood if i welcome those energies. The mind itself is an amazing, mind-blowing part of us... our actions, our thoughts, our way of living, our entire life! Its really a beautiful thing.
I live alone and am not in a relationship (except with my cat, and she's not a good conversationalist). I'm so used to having an internal dialogue going, that I often start talking in the middle of a thought, and other people think I'm insane. Usually I just say something like my train of thought got off at the wrong station so they won't shun me.
I think I do both. Sometimes I think in words - especially when I think about conversations to be had/had been had or make plans. Sometimes I just, well, think... And I definitely think in pictures, too. Like I can sketch my ideas and try different layouts and designs in my mind without even taking my pencil to paper. When I read, I rarely remember dialog lines or even the plot, but I retain vivid pictures in my mind of the setting in the story, full with lighting and sound effects. I download and check out a lot of books and I never remember author names or book titles. So I often start reading something I've read before and I would be like - I have no idea what happens in the plot, but I know that now the character will walk out into this dimly-lit alley way, and there will be drizzling rain and glistening pavement and everything will be black with yellow electric light and it will be cold and gloomy...
Honestly, I hear and see things in my head. When I’m thinking to myself, I end up “narrating” the things I do. I also refer to myself in 2nd person, like “how could you be so stupid?!!” Whenever I imagine something fictional it’s like a scene from a movie. I see the people and places extremely clearly. I never see words unless I consciously try to imagine them. This probably isn’t what most people have though 🤷🏻♀️😅
Am I one of a few that both style of thought happens pretty much simultaneously? The verbal, and the visual?
My brain is like a windows browser. Fifteen tabs are open, 3 of them are frozen and i have no idea where that damn music is coming from.
I’m verbal. I can hear my thoughts. But, I remember being aware when I was as a kid...4? 5? as I was gaining more language that I was losing the nonverbal, conceptual thinking mode. I was disappointed. I realized my brain was working differently and I thought it would be limiting. Language is a tool, it stands between you and pure thought, or at least that was my concern at the time. I’ve worked hard to retain the conceptual mode, but it’s difficult and I always have to practice to keep it.
I have had an internal voice for as long as I can remember. I was seen by a doctor and told her about how the "voice inside my head" won't ever be quiet, one of the things contributing to my insomnia. She prescribed low dose ADHD medication for me and when I take it the internal voice goes away. This voice is not like a mental health patient would her saying it tells them to do things, it is just a rolling commentary that the brain sends out 24/7. So if you have an internal voice and it bothers you or disrupts your activities, speak to your doctor. It was a psychiatrist that prescribed the medication.
this reminds me of that time in school during creative writing class, we got to write something up and then give it to another person to have them review. what i had was "too much monologue, not realistic". that was the first time I found out that not everyone has a complete conversation with themselves in their mind before making a decision or, say, just to fill in the boredom of being alone.
Temple Grandin, the professor of animal science at Colorado State University, is autistic. She said she was non-verbal in her early childhood and that she has always thought in pictures, not words. She wrote a book called, " Thinking in Pictures" in 1995 which explains what that is like; the book was revised in 2006. She also wrote, "The Autistic Brain: Thinking Across the Spectrum". Also, people who are deaf and blind think; it boggles my mind wondering what the process is like. The brain is a fascinating thing!
Are the people who don't think in full sentences, don't have conversations with themselves, the ones who fall asleep as soon as their head hits the pillow? Cos I want that power.
I think in my head but don't hear myself but more see images and words I never thought about It but I can't hear myself unless i'm talking
I'm not sure I really understand this discussion -- I mean, I think in full sentences, and I think a lot (probably overthink) -- but I don't actually hear those thoughts -- in my own voice or anyone else's. I can't quite grasp how it's possible to think without sort of silently hearing the words. I mean, I've heard people say they don't know what they're going to say until they hear it come out of their mouth -- is that what the alternative is to thinking things through in your head? I don't know if it's relevant but I'm one of those who cannot visualize things, especially faces, even the faces of my children, who I love more than anything in this world. My brain can briefly latch onto specific characteristics -- an eye color, a jawline, hair, etc. but I can't ever see the whole thing in one piece. I do recognize them in person, of course, but can't call up what they look like iif they're out of sight.
Interesting..not visualising faces..My dogs have a large crowd of friends,22 or more and we meet them and their owners every day in the park.If I meet them in the street and they greet me I will only recognise them if accompanied by their dogs.It has bothered me no end as I do not want to be thought of as being snooty.
Load More Replies...Very interesting indeed! I never realised there are people without an inner voice. Now I am wondering if any of you have an "inner Ipod" besides that inner voice? It is different than the occasional earworm, it is constantly streaming music in an endless playlist. In my case it is associative: a song can be triggered by a word, an image or simply be in the same key as a song I hear. I have never been able to find any information or research about it... The only other person I know who has this is my brother so it might just be a genetic hardware malfunction ;)
I'm the same. Constant music. It can be at the forefront and I'm happily singing away in my head or, and this is most often the case, it's in the background and I have the inner monologue or dialogue going on over the top. Whatever is going on there are usually images. I do rather envy those who have quiet heads. I've never managed to find a way to meditate.
Load More Replies...I found this out when I was talking to my dad about a book we had both read and while reading it I had a full cinematic picture going on in my brain and he just... didn't. Like he just straight up can't picture stuff
I love reading. I can play the scene out in my head like a movie. I think that's why I love reading so much. But as I'm reading I hear the words "out loud" in my head like a narrator talking to someone. But if I'm not reading iim in conversation mode in my head.
Load More Replies...I caught myself thinking in German one time after spending many hours over the weekend with people who spoke only German. (I speak only English.) My vocabulary was extremely limited so there were few actual words even though there were complete thoughts as I reviewed the weekend. Of course, as soon as I realized that I was thinking in German that thought was in English, I may have even said it out loud, and I couldn't go back to the German.
interesting, I have the inner monologue but not all the time, speaking 2 languages I tend to visualize what I am thinking while speaking, when you flip from one language to another it is much easier than translating thoughts. At least for me it is.
I have no internal monologue (well kinda but not really) I have instead of a voice I have it where the sound around me pitches up and down slightly to form word sounding sounds. If I’m all on my own in a quiet room my breath is pitches up and down. I like having music so my thoughts have something to “cling” to
I wonder whether this has some sort of effect on politics and democracy. Like, do people with verbal and narrative thoughts are more prone to be empathic towards others, and thus, think of others when making political decisions? Or, is it easier to detach and disconnect yourself from others if your thoughts are abstract? I think science should study this seriously and in earnest.
I don't hear my voice when I'm thinking nor do I see words or pictures. I do think in sentences but I don't hear a voice associated with them. The only color I have ever remembered from a dream is yellow. Perhaps I'm an NPC is this crazy simulation we call living.
I am also mindblown about this topic!!! I thought everyone hears their own voice or some voice in their head and visualize things in their minds. I argue with myself in my head and if it becomes too much I verbalize them. Someone even told my I overthink and heck that's what I do.. My brain is never empty even when sleeping as my dreams are vivid and mostly the scenes are cinematic in a sense. I even hear/compose music in my dreams (no, I'm not in any way music oriented though I know how to sing) in different languages (I am fluent in 4 languages) and even in Japanese when I barely speak it! I'm now curious how different people with different jobs like scientists, actors, artists think in their heads and how being a neuroverbal or neurovisual relates to IQ.
OMG, I can NEVER turn my inner voice off...sometimes, I just say to my self, "Please, shut up!" I have to literally take to rest on the weekends, just to get away from noise, people, and focus on something intently; i.e., reading, study course, etc.; whereby, I can actually rest.
My inner monologue is always going ten times faster than me so I just dont bother talking. It's really annoying because it makes talking to people a struggle. So I started keeping a diary because writing it down forces me to slow my thoughts and it actually really helps. Obviously my brain is still going 24/7 but I can tone it down when I'm speaking to someone so that I can actually verbalize my thoughts
I actually cannot tell. Can you be a mix? Cuz yeah, sometimes I talk to myself in my head and sometimes I feel and almost see my thoughts and almost like smell, hear, taste, etc. like whaaa?
this is so weird! you don't ¨hear¨ yourself when you think?!?!?! what?!?!?!
So another fun and interesting fact There is a music college here in South Africa that tests you before you enroll in order to see how your brain works. They say there are two types. Visual and Physical. Visual hears in colors or images and learns by listening. Physical hears when listening or seeing someone play and learns from music notation.
so pretty cool fun fact. there is a music college in South Africa that tests you on how your brain thinks. Apparently there are two different types. some people hear music in colour and learn it through hearing and others hear music in visual and learn it fiscally...
So if one can't visualise things does that mean that they can't have dreams? Or dream in sentences like reading a pictureless novel? I'm bamboozled!
So... I don't have an "internal narrative" in that I don't 'hear' my voice when I'm thinking? But I 'hear'... something that makes my thoughts 'audible', per say. It's very much not my voice, which is very confusing... I do have an internal radio that likes to play random music a good percentage of the time - I'd say it's like having an earworm, but sometimes the song is something you haven't listened to in ten years and changes on a whim and sometimes in the worst moment possible. Stereotypical elevator music, kids' songs, rock, country - anything it wants. Anyone else have that?
Kind of like when you can imagine a song in your head, you could imagine words (even if you're not really hearing it) I'm pretty sure I have internal monologue
I have the internal narrative and when I get too deep into reading it kind of switches to what I call a movie in my mind with a voiceover.
Fascinating....i wouldn't say I hear my thoughts but I don't see them and they are there so it must be hearing. I hear music frequently. I come up with scenes too, especially jam sessions or concerts. I do not see things in my mind though. I can't imagine a cat. I just looked at something and closed my eyes and all I see is black space. I always assumed that was why I could never draw beyond sort of abstract, pattern type sketches. I always assumed that artists, photographers were recreating what they had in their mind. ARTISTS: is that happening? What kind of thinker are you? Im a hobbyist musician that is pretty good but only because I beat the art form into submission. I can't hear music properly. If I hear a song and then try to recreate it in my head I get MY version, this is not great for playing other people's music BUT people like my 'flavor' and this is definitely a good thing. 1st post here...tex t limit aieeeeeee
Cont. I have a friend that hear and play things and he hears whole songs in his head. I always assumed that was why he could do what he did. The inner song dialogue. He is also a good photog which is transferring the POV that is 'good' onto film (nature stuff, not abstract) I think the LACK of a voice would be good because you would do with thinking about it. ARTISTS: What is your medium, internal dia-type (visual, hearing, picture,none) and how does it play out?
Load More Replies...I love that! I am wondering now, are people with multi-language skills having monologues with themselves in every language they know? I noticed my inner conversation changes the language, whenever I swap the speaking language, which is quite a fun rollercoaster because I use three languages on the daily basis :D Anyone else?
Interesting.. does that mean people who cant hear or visualise thoughts are immune to anxiety because you don't have the little voice telling you what can go wrong?
I didn't even bother reading most of this. I do not think in words. That does not mean I don't have an inner "monologue", it just means it's not in words. I think in ideas, blobs of ideas, sometimes charts and graphs. I think. Why do I need to translate that into words until it's time to explain those thoughts to someone else? BTW, people who don't think in words are being shut out more and more from society. I'm going to therapy right now to figure out how to live in this world. This world is f**ked. The stupid gregarious managers think if everyone is not like them, then something is going wrong at the workplace.
Shh... silence, americans are discovering the basics of linguistics. I suggest reading Ferdinand de Saussure
For the longest time, inner dialogue was my way of thinking. Upon my third attempt at meditation, that way of thinking stopped, which was a relief in that thinking felt so much lighter. This lasted for years, despite not meditating but has crept back, yet never as heavy and intense as it used to be.
This blew my mind, too. I had no idea, so many people are verbalizing anything. I can talk endlessly, but in my head things just ...are. I don't think 'I'll go into the kitchen to get some tea', I just feel it and then do it. It boggles my mind that people really do have endless chatter int their heads.
I've had an internal monologue my whole life, and it's usually helpful. However, I can also "turn it off" if I want to, like for meditating
Ok so what I'm noticing is that is comes in degrees for me. I *can* use internal, non physical-action-in-any-way, narration, but only in company and if I do it consciously. If I'm, say, walking down the street, I'll speak in a soft voice (low enough so that others won't hear it). And at times I even don't speak, but my tongue moves in my mouth, and my breathing matches the rhythm of the words I'm thinking of. If I'm entirely by myself, I just speak aloud my every thought.
Personally I am still adjusting to finding out that not everyone daydreams throughout the day.. Seriously how do those people deal with reality.. Although it does explain alot..
I have an external monologue with myself. That's it. I'm talking to myself out loud.
Can you be both ? I wonder because when I talk to myself or think to myself I clearly have sentences as if I were talking .... however I tried this and when I am arguing or explaining matters of the heart I feel I have thoughts and feelings and I talk and talk to find Out what they are. Trust me I know, it makes for a bad boyfriend but whatever hahaha
And that is why people find reading boring...they can't imagine what is happening, just see words.
Up vote this comment if you hear someone talking in your mind. I think this is what separates visual learners from audio learners.
my mind is a life advisor and an oracle.. he talk me back dude..
I'm inbetween. I can imagine images in my head, but they are very blurry like the camera effect fisheye. Plus to have any detail it takes alot of effort so usually if someone says elephant I think of a rudimentary outline and vague colouring of an elephant. My internal dialogue is the same, it takes focus and effort. I have lived without a dialogue and I still do forget to say things internally. When I was without one entirely I felt very vague and really disconnected from the world. I think the narrative helps to point out things you wouldn't notice if you were in blank absorbing mode like a sponge. Other people in this thread seem to have conversions with other people in their head or have a wide range of cast and characters. In my head, when I talk internally, it's just me. I wish I could see images crystal clear in my head or have more than myself in my head. I think it would be a lot less boring. I totally picked a job where it was chaos to distract from my internal quiet
Just one voice? I can hear different voices. Like if I read a book & the character was an old man, I hear the voice of an old man. I constantly talk to myself & easily got lost in music.
I can play songs in my head while also imagining the spotify layout all together with the album cover and the play and pause button and reverse or next button. So i can hear my thoughts and also visualize it vividly in my head. and if i want to ''change'' the song in my head it'd be like ''hitting'' the next button like in spotify. and if I cant get the song out of my head its like i have it on single loop settings. I can do both
While I was reading this, I was thinking about deaf and mute people (I'm referring to those who have this from birth, so no acquired deafness or vocal cord injury, etc.). They can't hear, speak, or maybe both, so how do they know how they sound like? I imagine their thoughts must be in the form of words, pictures, and diagrams with no internal monologues. Unless they have aphantasia as well so.. will their minds just be full of words or maybe even blank all the time? There's still so much that we don't know about the mind. It's so interesting!
After 25 years of marriage, I know enough about my spouse to not even bring up this topic. I already know he thinks I am mentally unstable and bizarre and everything else because I have constant narratives running, usually multiple stories and layers of possibilities of what could or might happen, in my head at all times and it's just easier for him to label me a weirdo than accept he doesn't think and process in the same manner. God forbid both ways could actually exist and be 'normal'.... and yes, love and good sex conquers all...
I play music in my head all the time when I'm bored, complete with instruments and voices. I thought everyone could do that. No? I also visualize interior design a lot, just because I enjoy it. I once spent an hour lying in an MRI, redecorating my house in my mind. I joke about the voices in my head, but I don't really have them. I don't think in sentences, at all.
I have conversations in my head, both with myself and with others, but I neither hear them nor do I picture things as words. If I'm asked to picture an elephant I will see an image of an elephant in my mind, not the word elephant
I am now contacted every person I know because I think is absolutely INSANE!
Come to think of it , it would be very lonely without the sarcastic critic in there.
I sometimes actually stop breathing when I'm thinking, because I cant "hear" the voice in my head.
See I can hear my voice in my head and like I can say stuff but it's one sided and super hard to process I need to have an outloud conversation with myself so I can understand what I'm trying to do and then it's two sided. Because there's not enough room in my brain and if I say stuff out loud I have more space to think and it's like spreading out my words in the air so I can see what's happening
It's very surprising. I always thought people have conversations in their head like I do. I talk to myself, I talk with other people, create situations and stories. I also have conversations in english which is not my native language. I can also see the pictures of the situations, but I thought it's just imagination that we all have, and all of this is probably a reason why I can't sleep, my mind is always full..
I've never thought about this until now but it is very interesting and it surprised me how many different concepts of inner self are there. I have more than one, very vivid images, sometimes my own voice and other people voices (in different languages and different accents), sentences etc. - long story short, like one of people above noticed, it's like a neverending podcast in my head all day long.
Well...my brain is extremely talkative. But what bothers me more (than everything mentioned above) is The Nothing Box :-)
So people who see their thoughts can’t play play memorized music? My mind is broken.
Wow. I think quiet. Speak out loud, to myself, often. Thoughts are all colour and random.
I am not sure anyone really sees things in his/her mind. Don't believe me? Picture the name of the town you live in. Get a clear mental image. Now if you are seeing it in your mind's eye you should have no trouble spelling it backwards as fast as you could forward? Can't do it? Maybe something else is going on.
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